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    Back in Bidness

    What does one do when one sees a poor abandoned front triangle like this all alone on Ebay?



    And one just happens to have this lying around not in use:



    And, one has decided that the front triangle of the above frame is too big, and it will probably not get ridden, and it is not worth enough (being a used custom frame from a niche brand) to sell.

    What if I told you that the green frame, while a tad tight in the top tube, has enough seat tube to get the right saddle height with a 410mm post, and still have 4 inches of post in the frame?



    Oh yeah....no one is bidding on it either...since it needs a shock, rockers, and entire rear triangle.

    Doesn't suck that it is a cool custom lowrider green (Bikezilla green as well!)



    Also doesn't suck that one is aware that there are nearly enough parts sitting in boxes or on other donor bikes to nearly build the thing complete.



    Especially doesn't suck when one realizes there is enough dough in the Paypal (Playpal?) account from previous sell offs to cover the purchase without dipping in to the household finances.

    It's a no brainer, this is about as close to a free bike as one gets.



    The Curtlo is dead. Long live the Capitan!

    Ideally, I should be on a 19" frame, but when I did the math, I found the top tube is 1.5 inches shorter than the Curtlo, one inch shorter than the Lunchbox, and 0.8 inches shorter than the Comandante. I currently run a 50mm stem on the Box, 70mm on the Comandante. The cockpit should not feel cramped at all for me with a 90mm stem on it.

    It's worth a try. My only concern fit wise is possible toe overlap.

    The fork will be a White Bros TA 100mm Fluid fork from the Comandante (now flying rigid), Which will also donate wheels (King/Arch) since I run SS on a geared hub with spacers. Another set of QR wheels goes on the Comandante (note to self only build with convertable front hubs in the future). The initial plan was to run it at 4" travel, but the Pushed Float I had in the box is set up for 5" travel, so I will live with it there for now. As far as I can tell, I only need a headset and a Sram rear derailleur and I am in bidness.

    I will be interested to see how the ride compares to the Curtlo. I honestly don't think it can touch the Lunchbox for most situations, but I see it as having a different, more XCish purpose (like I ride enough to really need more than one bike). It's pretty clear that Sherwood overbuilt this bike, so it should more than handle what I will give it. Pity I don't have second F135 fork around to give it a back to back test with the Lenz.

    Anyway, nice to have another Ventana FS bike in the garage.
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    Nice! I always hated that Curtlo! Even uglier than the Lenz

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    Cool score. I love doing that stuff. There are occasional diamonds in the rough to discover out there.

    I am curious though, how can the Curtlo be too big if it's custom for gOD's sake?? (I hope I got the capitalization right for Fo).
    My video techniques can be found in this thread.

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    Awesome catch!

    congrats!

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    Great score. WTF is a lunchbox? Did I miss something......or is this a sick and twisted name for ????????

    Thanks crisillo..........I'm not really hip on all the 29er brands out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker4life
    Great score. WTF is a lunchbox? Did I miss something......or is this a sick and twisted name for ????????
    Lenz LunchBox


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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    Nice! I always hated that Curtlo! Even uglier than the Lenz
    True Dat!
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    That is awesome. I looooove that Low Rider Green.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    Cool score. I love doing that stuff. There are occasional diamonds in the rough to discover out there.
    I felt very Tscheezyish moving rear triangles around and all. Truly, the power was intoxicating.

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    I am curious though, how can the Curtlo be too big if it's custom for gOD's sake?? (I hope I got the capitalization right for Fo).
    Long story. The builder built based on my feedback. Which was based on 29" hardtails, a demo week on a Capitan, lots of FS time on little wheels, and feedback from folks with lots more time than me on FS 29"ers. Essentially he built me a bike with geometry very similar to a large Sultan, but with the steering feel (trail) of a 6-Pack. For my size (6'1"), it should have been perfect. Long ETT, short stem which seems to be all the rage, and which most folks here love.

    The bike was confidence inspiring, capable in all conditions and unflappable at speed, but I realized I really like to throw a bike around, and that is a great part of the appeal of riding to me. Given the wheelbase, and long stays, it just was not amenable to my style of riding. It got me where I wanted to go, but was more of a tool than an object of fun.

    Not the builder's fault. I got what I asked for. I just didn't know what I wanted at the time I guess. Big wheels also handle differently. You don't need all that TT to get stability. The Curtlo was biased too much towards stability.

    In the mean time, I also scored a "size too small" Comandante off the Bay and found I really, really liked the tiny cockpit and over the course of a year kept shrinking it until I literally barely avoid knee slaps on the bars while climbing, and I love it.

    My riding has evolved, and the Curtlo was a snapshot of what I thought I liked at the time. I learned a lot through the process, and essentially have an El Cap plus that triangle now, for what it would have cost just to get the El Cap in the first place. Free edumacation so to speak.

    I may dislike this El Cap as well. If I do, I think I can point squarely at the long stays as the culprit.

    It will have a challenge to displace my love for this homely baby, however.

    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Sweet! Always nice to put together a frankenbike, but only a GOOD one! lol
    Great looking, too. Enjoy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker4life
    Thanks crisillo..........I'm not really hip on all the 29er brands out there.


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    So is the El Cap a 17" or 21"

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    It is a 17"
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    Cool score. I love doing that stuff. There are occasional diamonds in the rough to discover out there.

    I am curious though, how can the Curtlo be too big if it's custom for gOD's sake?? (I hope I got the capitalization right for Fo).
    and i bet you spell Christmas as Xmas you sinner!

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    Enjoy it, I know I did. Now I just have to suffer along with my El Rey.

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    I saw that front triangle and excersized great restraint in not buying it. I have no reason to replace my Vicious Cycles Groover 29er but the pull of an El Rey is pretty friggin strong.
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    Update




    Still awaiting a few drivetrain parts, but all in all looking good especially for a "parts box" build. Just rolling and bouncing in the driveway, it feels way more agile than the Curtlo (it should be, the Wheelbase is nearly 3 inches less). I barely get some toe overlap buzz if I position the shoe just right.

    The WB fork is just back from the factory where they pressed in a longer steerer, and swapped the IMV guts for Fluid guts. It feels way, way more plush.

    The fork and wheel donor seems to have survived the operation unscathed.

    Last edited by Enel; 12-16-2007 at 09:52 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    If you find it's too small, let me know... I was interested in getting one too!

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    That green is a great looking color. Always nice to see a sucessful outcome on a frankenbiking experiment.

    Did you ever post up a ride report on the Lunchbox (on the 29er forum)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Random Drivel
    Did you ever post up a ride report on the Lunchbox (on the 29er forum)?
    Yes. Suffice it to say it is the best bike (for me) that I have ever ridden. Lots of fun, no significant weak points (other than style according to Fo and Squeak, but consider the source).

    PS: The green, like most Ventana finishes is unbelievable in sunlight!
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    Just curious, what is your inseam measurment that a 17" and 410mm Post get's you the right seat height?

    Just curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciclistagonzo
    Just curious, what is your inseam measurment that a 17" and 410mm Post get's you the right seat height?

    My "biking" inseam in socks is 36.75" Probably more like 37" with shoes, etc. My saddle likes to be 31.5-32" above the center of the BB.

    Since I am only 6'1", this means I am built like a frog. This is another reason I like my top tubes on the short side for my height.

    410 post = 16.1" inches plus 17.4" for the seat tube is roughly 33.5 inches. Add roughly 2 inches for the height from the rails to top of saddle, subtract 31.5" for saddle height and you end up with roughly 4 inches in frame. Should be more than enough. It is below the bottom of the TT, ST intersection. If I like the bike and go with a gravity dropper, they make them up to 420mm if needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    I'm 5'11" with a 35+ inseam and a wide wing span

    I'm really interested in how your experiment turns out. My custom road bike has a monster head tube and slight toe overlap. It fits perfectly. My Ventanas are 21/19s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrDon
    21/19s.
    Is the first number the seat tube, and the second the top tube or vice versa?

    If so, I would be pretty happy on a 21" ST frame with the ETT of a 19" frame. Or in this case, a 17/17.
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
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    Wow, that explains a lot about your need for shorter cockpits.
    Still one question, I just measured my bikes, and they sit @ 31" from Seat height to BB, so you must bend your legs more than I do while pedaling?

    I'm 6' with a 33" inseam BTW. Interesting, you are a classic example of how unless you go custom, there is no way for any manufacturer to be able to cover EVERY rider out there.

    Irregardless enjoy the new ride.
    Last edited by Ciclistagonzo; 12-19-2007 at 12:14 PM.
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