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    Anyone Use Ti Bolts On Suspension Pivots?

    More to the point - anyone tried this and had a failure? That's what I'm really looking for...

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    I have not used them on the suspension pivots but I have used them on the brake rotors on my motorcycle. Despite having the proper anti-seize there was (suspected) electron transfer and the bolts failed, luckily at rest and not on the road.

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    please tell me you are kidding.....did you mean to click on the weight weenie forum? you shoudl be ashamed of yourself asking such a question on this forum and you probably made Sherwood throw up a little in his mouth with that question

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    Quote Originally Posted by P Fradale
    I have not used them on the suspension pivots but I have used them on the brake rotors on my motorcycle. Despite having the proper anti-seize there was (suspected) electron transfer and the bolts failed, luckily at rest and not on the road.

    Even though Titanium is less noble, whenever coupled with Aluminum or Magnesium which have a higher susceptibility to galvanic corrosion if not properly treated will cause some corrosion. Ventana pivots are stainless steel so using a Titanium bolt could cause a corrosion situation. Titanium is ghey

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker4life
    Even though Titanium is less noble, whenever coupled with Aluminum or Magnesium which have a higher susceptibility to galvanic corrosion if not properly treated will cause some corrosion. Ventana pivots are stainless steel so using a Titanium bolt could cause a corrosion situation. Titanium is ghey
    other than "Titanium is ghey", didn't understand but boy u r sexy when u use big words

    hey, wait a minute, I have a ti bike (with Ti stem and bars), though I sure wouldn't use Ti bolts on any part on any bike cuz that is a ghey use of a ghey material indeed

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    other than "Titanium is ghey", didn't understand but boy u r sexy when u use big words
    galvanic corrosion is a very technical subject that sometime can't be broken down into simple english...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker4life
    galvanic corrosion is a very technical subject that sometime can't be broken down into simple english...........
    In the time it's taken you two ghey asses to answer my question - I've already installed, ridden, broken and fixed my Salty.



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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    please tell me you are kidding.....did you mean to click on the weight weenie forum? you shoudl be ashamed of yourself asking such a question on this forum and you probably made Sherwood throw up a little in his mouth with that question

    That's it. I'm doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imridingmybike
    That's it. I'm doing it.
    doh! please tell me now that you have a ride under your belt today you are no longer considering this nonsense......dont MAKE me have tscheezy come over here and tell you even more shortcomings of your idea!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    doh! please tell me now that you have a ride under your belt today you are no longer considering this nonsense......dont MAKE me have tscheezy come over here and tell you even more shortcomings of your idea!

    Thus far the short cumings appear to be it turns you guys ghey and the *possibility* of galvanic corrosion - which considering it's Ti and on a bike is a GIVEN.

    My thoughts are with the exception of the shock mount bolts, all shear loads are applied to frame fittings (that Sherwood so thoroughly designed) and that the pivot bolts are only under tension. Meaning worst case scenario, given Ti flexes a bit more than steel (per same design, volume, whatever) my pivots *might* come lose more often. That is IF I don't proprly treat all interfaces (read: Locktite - just like my Phil Wood Ti BB).

    And considering how this little item so quickly enflames the doctrinaires, and condsidering my iconoclastic tendancies - It's DONE. I'm doing it.







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    I use Ti bolts on both shock mounts and the main pivot. Actually every bolt on the bike has been switched out for Ti, and after almost two years of D'ville's, super D's and epics, I've had no problems. BTW, I weigh 180lbs and have coil suspension front and rear. I replaced every threaded bolt on the wife's well worn 05 Motolight also, and have no problems either. Come to think of it, none of my bikes have a steel bolt. The Ventana is at the office so here's the hardtail to give you an idea of my sickness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by imridingmybike
    Thus far the short cumings appear to be it turns you guys ghey and the *possibility* of galvanic corrosion - which considering it's Ti and on a bike is a GIVEN.

    My thoughts are with the exception of the shock mount bolts, all shear loads are applied to frame fittings (that Sherwood so thoroughly designed) and that the pivot bolts are only under tension. Meaning worst case scenario, given Ti flexes a bit more than steel (per same design, volume, whatever) my pivots *might* come lose more often. That is IF I don't proprly treat all interfaces (read: Locktite - just like my Phil Wood Ti BB).

    And considering how this little item so quickly enflames the doctrinaires, and condsidering my iconoclastic tendancies - It's DONE. I'm doing it.






    That's great I expect a full report and post the pictures...........Ti can be an expensive drug. Ti definitely has its place......we use it a lot in aerospace. Use it wisely grasshopper

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    will somebody please tell me what the point of TiGheynium bolts are? Not trying to be a jerk, as hard as it is, but I struggle to understand the motivation.

    Is it really for weight savings? I guess if ALL bolts were replaced with TiGheynium versions and bike was XC-ish it would be "safe" so just looking for rationale

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    will somebody please tell me what the point of TiGheynium bolts are? Not trying to be a jerk, as hard as it is, but I struggle to understand the motivation.

    Is it really for weight savings? I guess if ALL bolts were replaced with TiGheynium versions and bike was XC-ish it would be "safe" so just looking for rationale

    Weight savings only

    I'd guestimate that replacing all the pivots and shock mount hardware with Ti would save 1/2-2/3 of a pound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Squeaky Wheel
    Weight savings only

    I'd guestimate that replacing all the pivots and shock mount hardware with Ti would save 1/2-2/3 of a pound.
    really? consider it done Just ordered a Ti-spoked wheelset too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    will somebody please tell me what the point of TiGheynium bolts are? Not trying to be a jerk, as hard as it is, but I struggle to understand the motivation.

    Is it really for weight savings? I guess if ALL bolts were replaced with TiGheynium versions and bike was XC-ish it would be "safe" so just looking for rationale
    Yes, Titanium weighs roughly 40% less than Steel. I would think for high stress areas, steel is a much better application. I know I snapped my Snycros Ti post off a little kicker, and Ti bolts at shock mounts would be pretty damn lame!
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowdrifter
    Yes, Titanium weighs roughly 40% less than Steel. I would think for high stress areas, steel is a much better application. I know I snapped my Snycros Ti post off a little kicker, and Ti bolts at shock mounts would be pretty damn lame!
    I tiodized pink Ti shock mount bolts and brake rotor bolts for some pro dh women who saw the pink bolts on the wife's Motolight at the 05 National Championships at Mammoth. As for the Syncros post, did you actually snap the post, or did the bonded head separate?

    Here's some more Ti for you non believer's These are hip, knee, and shoulder implants used in high stress areas. They do break, but so do CoCr and stainlees steel implants
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vader
    I tiodized pink Ti shock mount bolts and brake rotor bolts for some pro dh women who saw the pink bolts on the wife's Motolight at the 05 National Championships at Mammoth. As for the Syncros post, did you actually snap the post, or did the bonded head separate?

    Here's some more Ti for you non believer's These are hip, knee, and shoulder implants used in high stress areas. They do break, but so do CoCr and stainlees steel implants
    The shaft broke, actually it kind of folded in half I had to climb out of the Demo Forest with no post

    I'm not a complete non believer, I tune pinch bolts and crapp like that with Ti, and Aluminum bolts. I just stopped there, IMO it's not worth the money per weight savings, not too mention the headache finding the right sizes, and the risk of snapping one on the trail, no thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowdrifter
    The shaft broke, actually it kind of folded in half I had to climb out of the Demo Forest with no post

    I'm not a complete non believer, I tune pinch bolts and crapp like that with Ti, and Aluminum bolts. I just stopped there, IMO it's not worth the money per weight savings, not too mention the headache finding the right sizes, and the risk of snapping one on the trail, no thanks.
    Is this your post?

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Syncros-Titanium...QQcmdZViewItem

    It is exspensive to outfit a whole bike, but being in the Ti biz, it doesn't cost me too much. I do have to source specific bolts like the rear der pivot, ect. My biggest problem is that the heads of the Ti bolts are sometimes too big to fit recessed applications.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vader

    Looks to be the same type of failure, but my post is long gone! I actually talked syncros into a new post at $50 cost, and then sold the MOFO for $100
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    +1 for Ti Chicks
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    I guess you have to waste money on something!
    Anyone actually measured the phenomenal weight saving yet?
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    Let me throw a little gas on the fire.

    You all know that older Ventanas (bushing pivots not bearings) had a ti bolt option for the pivots.

    Of course they were totally different bolts. Much larger.
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    You mean like these? 5.65lbs 4" travel frame, built in 2000. Geez 'woods has always been ahead of his time.
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