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    Anyone here running a DBair?

    I'm going to switch out my CCDB for a DBair with a high volume air canister on my 2012 Ciclon. Anyone here using a DBair or gone from a CCDB to a DBair? Sherwood mentioned the settings should be pretty much the same except back off the compression settings quite a bit because of the air canister.

    I love the CCDB, but there is some good feedback on those riding with the DBair and how nice they feel.

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    Why do you want to switch? Is it the weight savings? I may run a DB-Air or a RS Monarch Plus RC3 on my new El Whatever. How are you liking the new gen rear suspension design?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripes View Post
    I'm going to switch out my CCDB for a DBair with a high volume air canister on my 2012 Ciclon. Anyone here using a DBair or gone from a CCDB to a DBair? Sherwood mentioned the settings should be pretty much the same except back off the compression settings quite a bit because of the air canister.

    I love the CCDB, but there is some good feedback on those riding with the DBair and how nice they feel.
    Wondering how these would be on a Bastard? Going to bump travel up on my frame w/standard 5.5" rockers and RP23(which together is waaay less then just the cost of the DB alone). Guess I just answered my own dilema....
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripes View Post
    I'm going to switch out my CCDB for a DBair with a high volume air canister on my 2012 Ciclon. Anyone here using a DBair or gone from a CCDB to a DBair? Sherwood mentioned the settings should be pretty much the same except back off the compression settings quite a bit because of the air canister.

    I love the CCDB, but there is some good feedback on those riding with the DBair and how nice they feel.
    ...can't wait to hear how you like the DBair. i have the DHX 5.0 air (on my la bruja) and the seal on the fox shox sucks they don't stop leaking oil. keep us infomed on the change over and what u think...ralph
    i need to ride more. building jumps takes to much time...my other hobby is kicking the crap outta my home built mook jong.

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    Cool, looking forward to see if the seal holds the oil and what you have to say about the air version compared to your coil over version. thanks...ralph
    i need to ride more. building jumps takes to much time...my other hobby is kicking the crap outta my home built mook jong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripes View Post
    You have the white older designed Bastard right? Not a fan for the RP23, it felt either two soft or spikey to me.
    Hey, I resemble that remark Stripes! Yeah, it's the latest version '09 but with the new Kashima RP23 shock. Not a Zeus if that's what you were thinking. Been hearing the Kashima's are better suited for bigger riders. If I switch the travel to 5.5", Ventana will be giving me the pre Kashima 23 which may work out better if tuned correctly for my # and ride.
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    Didn't take anything by it !
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripes View Post
    So after spending some time setting the shock, taking out the spacers out of the CCDB, and setting up the new shock, the damn thing does not fit. I'm really unimpressed with an air canister so freaking large that it doesn't clear the rear derailler and I had to put the bike in 140mm travel mode to get it to mount. Seriously--what brain surgeon designed this?

    I set the sag on it to 30% (115psi), but the front derailleur barely clears on the top and clears by maybe a millimeter in the bottom part.

    I'm really not sure what to do, I mean, other than turn around and sell the damn thing and replace it with an RP23.

    Rumor has it you can buy offset spacers, or even possibly another front derailleur would work. I don't need it in 140mm.. I want it back where it was because I spent all this time getting the geo right running 150mm in the back and 160mm in the front.

    What would you engineers say?
    Send it back. I wouldn't run offset reducers because I doubt they will hold on the lower mount. Ask Sherwood if he can make you an adapter. Or run the SRAM 1x11 and ditch the front derailleur. I'm digging that 1x11 system.....thinking about it for the El Whatever once it arrives.

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    Will it fit upside down? If you really want to keep it, How about running a hammerschmit? Or, see if Sherwood can do a direct mount front derailleur, that would be the extreme measure.

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    yeah i secound that, you should ask sherwood i'm sure he can make it work. i wouldn't get rid of it, you should get sherwood to help out, give him a call, i would love to see that shock workout on your bike (at 150 mm) don't give up yet...ralph
    i need to ride more. building jumps takes to much time...my other hobby is kicking the crap outta my home built mook jong.

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    Is it the front derailleur mount that is rubbing against the air canister?

    As mentioned above you have a few options.

    You might be able to just dremel/file the mount down to create some space. How much room do you need?

    Another option is a SRAM XX f.d. It looks like it has a really thin mounting collar. Stupid price for a f.d., but it might work.

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    ok i have a shimano xtr differential plate front derailleur, model...FD-M950-E...do you think this will work for you ?...ralph
    Last edited by 1962; 12-03-2012 at 10:46 PM.
    i need to ride more. building jumps takes to much time...my other hobby is kicking the crap outta my home built mook jong.

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    SRAM X.0 Front Der. 2x10 version has the metal clamp strap. Get one. Your DBAir will fit then. Easiest $65 you'll spend!
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    Anne,
    You need to get even more fundamental than just what steel banded front Der. will work.(BTW - Mykes suggestion is by far the best) Because that High Volume Canister looks too big to use at the 150mm setting no matter what.

    What you need to ask is, why are you using the High Volume Canister? One of the "benefits" of the Coil CCDB if I recall is that you use a much lower coil spring rate compared to Fox shocks. So, wouldn't it stand to reason that since it's the same damper as on the coil, the spring rate can be lower on the DBair? I'd try the standard can on the DBair first before anything else.

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    that's to bad you couldn't get the shock to work, btw the front derailleur i offered you would be free if it would work...ralph
    i need to ride more. building jumps takes to much time...my other hobby is kicking the crap outta my home built mook jong.

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    i don't know if you know but this derailleur doesn't have a clamp to the seat tube, it mounts to the bottom bracket, you put it on before the cup so there is no clamp on the seat tube and if it works i would think you can keep the travel at 150 mm ...ralph
    i need to ride more. building jumps takes to much time...my other hobby is kicking the crap outta my home built mook jong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripes View Post
    That IS the standard/low volume version. They don't make a smaller canister.. they make an even bigger one (wtf). I'm not sure why they need an air can the size of a beer can, but it's their design.

    Fortunately, Cane Creek was unbelievably cool about it. They said since the shock doesn't fit the small Ventana Ciclon, they'll add it to a list of small AND medium frames it doesn't. *sigh* Seems like a serious design flaw to me, but at least they're being cool about it.

    So I'm going back to the CCDB. It fits, the settings work, and I can deal with the weight penalty since the shock isn't rotational weight.
    I'm not sure about the e-Type if it would work, but I don't see how that aircan will clear the Seattube, if it's rubbing the band now, and when you place the upper shock mount to the 150 setting which brings it closer to the seattube, it will probably not line up or rub. Just sounds like the DBair is a no go. Unless you already did, just get an Ti spring for the CCDB!
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    Take off Frt. Der.
    Install shock in 150 clip setting.

    Does it clear seat tube?

    If yes, run the X-0 frt. der. with the metal band clamp.


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    Forget about the e-mount nonsense while you're at it. No bueno with the PF BB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Internal14 View Post
    Take off Frt. Der.
    Install shock in 150 clip setting.

    Does it clear seat tube?

    If yes, run the X-0 frt. der. with the metal band clamp.


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    LOL! Comment of the thread!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripes View Post
    Thanks for confirming. Much appreciated.
    WOH! Hold on. I "confirmed" nothing, until a New frame and DB air are in my hands and I'm actually bolting them together, it's e-speculating.

    I just made an observation based on your description and fuzzy photo's.

    You need to do what Int14 is saying take the FD off and see if it clears and go from there.
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    "Before D.W., "anti-squat" was referred to as pedal feedback."

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    Since you guys are on the DB topic.. heres a link to my post about a new DB adjustment tool I've developed.

    Fancy Thumb Tool for Cane Creek DBCoil and DBAir Dampers


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    Will this be a problem with all frame sizes and models across the Ventana line-up? Or will this only be an issue with the smaller frame sizes?

    I wonder if Ventana will do a direct mount front derailleur mount?
    I only ride bikes to fill the time when I'm not skiing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    Will this be a problem with all frame sizes and models across the Ventana line-up? Or will this only be an issue with the smaller frame sizes?

    I wonder if Ventana will do a direct mount front derailleur mount?
    I would call Sherwood if you have future plans to upgrade before spending any $$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker4life View Post
    I would call Sherwood if you have future plans to upgrade before spending any $$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
    I'll ask them if I ever get serious. Just thought I'd ask here for the sake of conversation.
    I only ride bikes to fill the time when I'm not skiing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripes View Post
    Someone anonymously negative repped me for my experience here. Nice.

    Never surprises me how much lack of courage people have to say something behind a keyboard.
    Now they have changed the Rep is tagged with a user name......so who left you neg rep? Now all those neg reps will be brought to the light. I have a number of neg reps. I left one neg rep with a note because the guy slagged my tools on a thread but doesn't have the balls to design and put up the cash for a better mouse trap.

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    that's a pity! the DBair is great, was the most noticeable upgrade on my Yeti and then on a Mojo HD...
    maybe the Ciclon should stay w/ the RP23 and the Zeus might be suited for the DBair w/ no fitting problems, Gibson also solved another issues such as a smaller headtube and sloper top tube. My friend's Ciclon got top tube rubbed by the break levers...
    ISCG-05 is also an addition to the Zeus
    if you are looking to get a more aggressive setup, Ventana hasn't a 26" model suited for that yet
    I think the Ciclon is a beauty but better suited for trail/all-mtn conservative riders

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