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    Angling for an X-5 - questions

    Working to convince the half with the checkbook that I need a new bike. I'm thinking a X-5.

    Had a couple of questions about the frame though - is it currently a 5/6 travel only, or can it do a 4/5/6?

    I did a search to see about rocker swaps, but only things I found out were for older models - and then that led to posts that said there were some tweaks a while back. I don't know if that changed anything.

    If the X-5 can't do the 4-6 range - is it possible to get a Salty built in the X-5 jig to make it accomodate the 4-6 range?

    I've got a Feugo and I want to keep it at 3", and then make the X-5 the 'all purpose' bike. Thinking of getting an adjustable fork for the front of an X-5 too.

    If I've got all the answers when I ask - makes the 'sell' much easier. Honestly not much that's competing with the X-5. (The 5 Spot geo doesn't quite add up on paper, and any E is right out.) A Titus ML might be a contender, but would want to see it first. All this is assuming the budget allows it... otherwise - it's time to save the pennies, and nickels, and...

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    Ok quick answers, based on memory.

    I know Ventana makes the 5/6" Rocker. That requires a 2.25" stroke shock. I don't think the 4-5-6" rocker is being made anymore. However, the 4" rockers will fit the X-5 (But require the 2.0" shock")

    Quite Honestly, I don't think you'll miss the 4" setting. It's really close to your El Fuego. And I have found that (for me) I want a difference between the bikes.

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    You can get 4.33" travel on the X-5 using 5/6 rockers and a 7.875x2" stroke shock

    To quote RSutton...

    I am saying that this is what you get with the 2" stroke.

    In the 5" hole location - 4.3"
    In the 6" hole location - 5.3"

    With a 2.25" stroke shock you get the true 5" and 6".


    Entire thread here.;

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    Quote Originally Posted by JmZ

    If the X-5 can't do the 4-6 range - is it possible to get a Salty built in the X-5 jig to make it accomodate the 4-6 range?
    Getting a Salty built in the X-5 jig, yes. It IS a Ventana

    I don't think it'll necessarily be what you want though at 5" or 6". There are some threads on Saltys in 5" mode, and I think that was Sherwood's thinking of making the El Ciclon.

    I have a semi-custom X-5 I can run in 5" or 6" mode, but I'm happy with it in 5" mode that I never used the 6" mode after trying it. It behaves great and can ride over anything.
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    You are essentially looking at the same bikes several do (and I did) except I looked at the Ciclon since I already owned the X-5. Is there a reason you are not considering the Ciclon? In my opinion, it has better geometry for an AM bike and fits 140mm forks instead of 130 mm fork with stock geo setup. I'll assume you are looking at stock frames.

    I know two riders who have tried the Ciclon and the X-5 and prefer the feel of the Ciclon on technical terrain. It felt slightly lower and more stable and generally not as tall. Just some thoughts since I know how tough these decisions can be.

    The Motolite was eliminated by them primarily due to sizing concerns. One did find the rear weight bias to be a bit hard to deal with (esp when he almost looped the bike when trying to do a wheelie). It is a good bike though.
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    If I were you, I'd get a Ciclón and call it a day.


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    Primarily looking at the X-5 due to a few things.

    1) Like the look. Yeah, yeah, I know.

    2) Like the standover. Short inseam.

    3) Have the XC ride already, BUT - most of the riding I'm doing is XC.

    That's the reason for looking for the 4" option. Want something that plays well where home is going to be. The bike will be living in the Dallas/Ft Worth area, and well the Feugo was playing in Northern Indiana (soon TX too). Elevation change? What's that?

    Looking for something that'll play well with some flat-land riding, but can take on something more for trips and whatnots too. I don't see myself hucking off of everything or hitting a bunch of stuff that I don't hit now. But I'l like the option if I change my mind.

    4) Looking for something that looks a bit different from the Fuego, and has a different, but still fun, personality. Several (fun) anaolgies come to mind, but most of 'em get me in trouble.

    5) If I was looking at the Ciclón, I might have to spring for custom geo, to get the standover that I want.

    The ML's, maybe a Chumba XCL, Transition Covert, or the other thoughtis going the 'cheap' route and picking up a supposedly good pedaling Iron Horse ML III before they get canned at the end of the year. (Maybe it's next year at best). The biggest things going for the Ventana and the Titus are the versatility, stiffness, and reputation. I don't know if I'm sold on a 5" bike either, and the Ventana and ML give me a chance to think twice about it - if I decide to.

    Right now I'm thinking of looking at a 4-5" frame and similar fork, but that's about as far as I've thought it through yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JmZ
    Primarily looking at the X-5 due to a few things.

    1) Like the look. Yeah, yeah, I know.

    2) Like the standover. Short inseam.

    3) Have the XC ride already, BUT - most of the riding I'm doing is XC.

    That's the reason for looking for the 4" option. Want something that plays well where home is going to be. The bike will be living in the Dallas/Ft Worth area, and well the Feugo was playing in Northern Indiana (soon TX too). Elevation change? What's that?

    Looking for something that'll play well with some flat-land riding, but can take on something more for trips and whatnots too. I don't see myself hucking off of everything or hitting a bunch of stuff that I don't hit now. But I'l like the option if I change my mind.

    4) Looking for something that looks a bit different from the Fuego, and has a different, but still fun, personality. Several (fun) anaolgies come to mind, but most of 'em get me in trouble.

    5) If I was looking at the Ciclón, I might have to spring for custom geo, to get the standover that I want.

    The ML's, maybe a Chumba XCL, Transition Covert, or the other thoughtis going the 'cheap' route and picking up a supposedly good pedaling Iron Horse ML III before they get canned at the end of the year. (Maybe it's next year at best). The biggest things going for the Ventana and the Titus are the versatility, stiffness, and reputation. I don't know if I'm sold on a 5" bike either, and the Ventana and ML give me a chance to think twice about it - if I decide to.

    Right now I'm thinking of looking at a 4-5" frame and similar fork, but that's about as far as I've thought it through yet.

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    How about an X-5 with El Ciclon jig? It's pretty much what I have..

    Or, you can get El Ciclon with an X-brace... or...
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    FWIW I have the 5/6 rocker and only use the 5" now. I used the 6" at Whistler, then switched it to 5" just to see if I noticed much of a difference, and I did not. In fact the 5" was better. Great frame, though. I love the look of an X-frame, and it is a tough bastard.

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    x-5

    I have the x-5 stock in 5 inch with 5 inch up front, I live over in NW Indiana(Dyer). It it is perfect for anything where we live(flat) and handles Fruita, Moab and other areas great. I feel it is perfect for one bike can do all that I usually ride. Get one for a demo, thats what made up my mind. Good luck.

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    [QUOTE=stripes]How about an X-5 with El Ciclon jig? It's pretty much what I have..

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    Yeah, what he said. Get an X-5 with El Ciclon geo and you will be a very happy man. It fits just about everything you said you wanted, sans 4" rockers. You won't need them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremyp111
    sans 4" rockers. You won't need them.
    this is true. I tried running my X-5 in 4" mode, just found it was too foreign. I liked the 5 and 6 much more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P Fradale
    FWIW ... I used the 6" ... then switched it to 5" just to see if I noticed much of a difference, and I did not. In fact the 5" was better. ....


    uh... yeah, what he said
    Since when did Need have anything to do with this?

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    Hopefully not too far off-topic, but what would be the difference in actual ride characteristics between swapping rockers and just running higher pressure in front & rear air shocks to reduce the travel used?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristatos
    Hopefully not too far off-topic, but what would be the difference in actual ride characteristics between swapping rockers and just running higher pressure in front & rear air shocks to reduce the travel used?
    It changes the HA, the BB height, and various other factors that I'm sure others can clear up.

    I just didn't like the feel on the 6" rockers. The bike didn't have the snapiness I like about the 5" feel.
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    so, JMZ, any update?? Just curious if you've made up your mind yet or if you are now more confused than ever.....that happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremyp111
    so, JMZ, any update?? Just curious if you've made up your mind yet or if you are now more confused than ever.....that happens.
    No updates really. The X-5 is still the best odds, since what I was technically looking for can be done.

    I don't know if I'd be more interested in a Salty that's masquerading as an X-5 or a Cinclon that's doing the same though. Don't honestly know now if I'd care about the 4" option either. More than anything else - looks like I need to throw a leg over a 5" Ventana or three (since it could be a Cinclon, a X-5, or a Salty), and maybe a 4" travel one or two.

    The 3" XC one that's in the apt is perfect for the XC rides I've normally done. Pretty sure I'm not going to mess with that one. Makes the 3-5" rockers that I bought a while back now seem extraneous though.

    I like to dwell and ruminate for a loooonnng time before pulling the trigger. Might even find something used before I end up looking too. Gotta figure out some things that are, gasp, more important than the bike first. Will also be good to know how much bike to afford and if it's a full build or just a frame only.

    Plus picked up some new toys for the Fuego recently - a new marz fork, and some Avid Ultimate brake levers. And there's a local swap tomorrow to get in trouble with too...

    Purchase is a bit away yet. Going to have to see where things will fit in the apartment. (Losing 600+ sq ft sucks btw). Might be as late as fall before looking for a new house and room for another bike.

    Wife doesn't think that 8 bikes in 1200 sq ft apt with 3 kids is a good idea. New jobs can be a pita! Should get a longer riding season out of the deal though, and maybe even a few more miles of trail.

    Gives me time though to think about it, and maybe even demo a few bikes. Wouldn't mind trying out a few options. Plus see what the locals think about the need for a mid-travel bike.

    Dang, that turned into a novel, eh?

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    I hear ya, bro. Hey, it was a good novel. It was about bikes!

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