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    Am I the only one who likes the old style frame better?

    I have been looking at alot of photos of the new frames Sherwood is building. For some reason I still like the look of the older model frames with the straight top tube better than the new curved ones. It is not that I don't like the looks of the new ones I just prefer the older look better. Keep in mind I just got back into moutain biking, after a 15 year layoff, this summer so the older look hasn't become tired to me. Please don't think I am bagging on the new designs just want to know what other people think. For reference I own a 2010 El Padrino. Had it built by Chad at Red Barn this spring. Here is a picture of it. Can't think of a bike I have seen I like more. I love this machine.



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    I'm with you on this one. The curved top tube would only be aesthetically pleasing if it would flow without interruption into the seatstays. Like on the 21" El Rey. But on most sizes and frame types this is not the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zonoskar View Post
    I'm with you on this one. The curved top tube would only be aesthetically pleasing if it would flow without interruption into the seatstays. Like on the 21" El Rey. But on most sizes and frame types this is not the case.
    What do you mean by "without interruption"?

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    23" El Rey 2012

    The TT flows right into the ST's on the 23". See Craig's 23" El Rey...

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    That's what I meant (English is not my native language, sorry). See



    Most other Ventana frames I saw have the TT below the seatstays.

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    i don't like the new frames look at all. but i'm not a fan of curved tubes. i can see the point of them on the downtube for fork crown clearance but i see zero benefit or reason to have an upward looking curve other than esthetics on the top tube and for me i don't appreciate that look.

    i like the idea of the new pivot location and the new 3d rockers and tapered headtube but i'll pass on the swoopy tubes

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    Yeah, I agree. While the new frames are a major step forward with respect to performance, they take a step backward aesthetically and standover-clearance wise. If the top tube must be bent, how about bending it the other way, so it drops more precipitously away from the head tube?

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    Quote Originally Posted by albeant View Post
    Yeah, I agree. While the new frames are a major step forward with respect to performance, they take a step backward aesthetically and standover-clearance wise. If the top tube must be bent, how about bending it the other way, so it drops more precipitously away from the head tube?
    Standover clearance is a huge issue with me. My inseam is 29" so it is hard to find a frame I can have clearance over. My 16" El Padrino gives me about 2 fingers of clearance and that is alittle scary when things get hairy. Don't want to slam my package on the top tube. I know I could have Sherwood make a custom bike but it would be nice to be able to get a stock frame with good clearance. It isn't just Ventana most bike makers don't give you much clearance on the bigger wheels and larger travel bikes. Yeti makes few bikes with larger travel that give me a tad more clearance but I don't want to ride a Yeti I want to ride a Ventana.

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    Here's a comparison of my 23" Elchucho, front tri is the same. I just recently called to find out how much it would cost to trade in my front triangle for a new one with tapered head tube and 30.9 seat post, I think it was $700-$800, not to bad. The new frame may perform a little better but I like the looks of the old and I know I'm the factor in riding my current bike to it's full potential.

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    I didn't really think about it until I saw this thread, and I haven't seen a new Ventana in person yet. But I do like the look of the straight TT better. It's nothing against Ventana, I don't like curved tubes on any bike.

    Old school looks good...

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    Another vote for the old style here. I love my el salt and used to think I'd eventually upgrade to an el Rey. The curves have me thinking pivot instead.

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    old school, new school

    comes around, goes around

    Since when did Need have anything to do with this?

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    Icegeek good point. My first bike I ever got back in '74 when I was 6 was a Schwinn Stingray and it had a curved TT. I was in yellow and had a banana seat. I called it my Big Banana. What great memories. Me and my dad stripped it in '79, repainted it blue and totally rebuilt it as a BMX bike. Rode it for a few years before I bought a proper BMX bike. A Mongoose with those incredibly ugly Motomag wheels. Man what I would give to have both those 2 bikes back for nostaglia purposes. Not even sure what my dad did with them. I am sure they are sitting in a landfill somewhere. Sad.

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    That Schwinn proves my point. If the tubes flow nicely into each other I don't mind the curves. But on the new Ventana frames, only the 23" El Rey makes that work, the rest just have this weird curved TT that doesn't flow into anything. But I guess Ventana just orders a bunch of curved tubes with the same curve and cuts them to length for which ever frame they are building. Having a curved tube specifically for a frame/size would be too expensive I guess.

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    As much as I'm a fan of the looks of the older Ventanas, the new ones do grow on you and they are really nice looking in person. For some reason, the photos don't do them justice.

    From my understanding, the curved tube is also structural--creating a stiffer frame with less material (engineers here, go ahead and explain it).

    While I miss the standover clearance of the X-5, but the pedalability and cornering and overall handling of the newer designs well above the older design. As much as I would prefer a straight tube aesthetically, I'm really happy with the way the bike rides.

    The new El Salts have a straight TT, so it looks like the longer travel bikes have the curved TTs:
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    Me only being 5'-4.5" tall with a 28" inseam (with my shoes on) I don't get any top tube clearance on any frame I ride. I don't have a problem with stand over on the new frames because I learned to work with my short size long ago. I didn't have any stand over clearance on my old small ventana x5 which had the very low x-brace top tube. I can't even remember the last time I crushed my manhood on the top tube of a bike. I actually like the look and curves of the new frames. I think they look great and get asked about my ciclon on the trails often. One of my other bikes has an almost identical top tube as the new ciclon does. Now that I had some time on the new design after years on the old design. I would have bought my new ciclon no matter what it looked like. I understand most people like "pretty" bikes. Like Stripes sad, the new design really does perform much better than the old, atleast in my opinion. It would be sad to not take advantage of better performance, because of the way something looks to you. Hopefully you'll be spending more time riding your bike than looking at it, choose function over form!

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    You know what I really like the look of your Ciclon. Yours is the first one of the curved tube bikes I have seen in a smaller frame size. I actually prefer the look of your Ciclon to the straight tube ones. I guess the smaller frame bikes appeal to me. I don't like the triangle from the TT to seatpost that have a large hole. For some reason it doesn't look right to me. However looking at your Ciclon has changed my mind on the curved top tube bikes. Thanks for posting the pictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuenstock View Post
    Me only being 5'-4.5" tall with a 28" inseam (with my shoes on) I don't get any top tube clearance on any frame I ride. I don't have a problem with stand over on the new frames because I learned to work with my short size long ago. I didn't have any stand over clearance on my old small ventana x5 which had the very low x-brace top tube. I can't even remember the last time I crushed my manhood on the top tube of a bike. I actually like the look and curves of the new frames. I think they look great and get asked about my ciclon on the trails often. One of my other bikes has an almost identical top tube as the new ciclon does. Now that I had some time on the new design after years on the old design. I would have bought my new ciclon no matter what it looked like. I understand most people like "pretty" bikes. Like Stripes sad, the new design really does perform much better than the old, atleast in my opinion. It would be sad to not take advantage of better performance, because of the way something looks to you. Function over form!


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    Lol, I'll be calling Ventana about my commision fee! Heres a couple more pictures of my small Ciclon,




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    I'm liking the look of the el ciclons built up so far (Stripes' & fuenstock's) because, as someone else mentioned, of the smaller TT/ST brace.
    I just took a look at the geo #s online, and it looks just as slack, if not slacker, as my V1 Terremoto (with the original 6" travel) on a 160mm fork.
    Anyone go from a T'moto to the new ciclons?
    Anyone know if the V1 T'moto is a full 6", or 150mm?
    I'm not quite willing to switch frames without seeing the new T'motos, but my eyes are always wandering.

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    I'm a bit indifferent on the sloping tube. I do think they look a lot better built up. There still hasn't been many pics of a full bike. The more I see the more I like.

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    While we're showing off the small Ciclón...mine is a different build (full coil, semi-custom geo) but same size:

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    The reason most of us say we like the old style better is we can't afford a new one.

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    Alright, alright. Here's some new ciclon love. I can't say it's ugly!
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    old for me

    Mostly because I can't afford a new one. By the way, Red Barn bicycles is the most legit shop i've been to since the path. It's way off the beaten path but well worth the visit. Props to those guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robin1 View Post
    Mostly because I can't afford a new one. By the way, Red Barn bicycles is the most legit shop i've been to since the path. It's way off the beaten path but well worth the visit. Props to those guys.
    Chad rocks!!!

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