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    Alpino 650B/27.5" 120mm Travel Frame Pics

    Here are some just shot pics of the new frame from the folks at Ventana.

    I only had a few minutes to take the pics before heading off to work so I don't have geo #'s yet. Will see about getting something later this week.

    Complete Frame:

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/31268906@N08/8695498483/" title="Alpino by CiclistaGonzo, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8403/8695498483_773b4c50ee_b.jpg" width="1024" height="683" alt="Alpino"></a>

    Top tube and new cable stops, Tapered Headtube of course, the TT has the Zeus hump but less pronouced curve.

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/31268906@N08/8695498327/" title="Head tube-Top tube by CiclistaGonzo, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8544/8695498327_599c5a179a_b.jpg" width="1024" height="683" alt="Head tube-Top tube"></a>

    Second set of Cable "stops" more like clamps actually.

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/31268906@N08/8695498409/" title="New Cable Stops by CiclistaGonzo, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8545/8695498409_88eb12c4bc_b.jpg" width="1024" height="683" alt="New Cable Stops"></a>

    My favorite Detail, Check out the new 3D Rockers and the scalloping which is done on both the outside and inside.

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/31268906@N08/8696618788/" title="Aplino 120 Rockers by CiclistaGonzo, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8259/8696618788_29887eecdc_b.jpg" width="1024" height="683" alt="Aplino 120 Rockers"></a>

    (Added Shot)

    Alpino from straight on the side:

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/31268906@N08/8695549427/" title="Alpino Side by CiclistaGonzo, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8126/8695549427_4d02777fa8_b.jpg" width="1024" height="643" alt="Alpino Side"></a>

    This particular frame is Chad's from Redbarn, so it's got his signature Black/Black paint.
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    BitterSweet! Hard to concentrate on keepin the love for my Bastardo when taunted by this new beauty.......
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac47 View Post
    BitterSweet! Hard to concentrate on keepin the love for my Bastardo when taunted by this new beauty.......
    Lack of funds makes it easy for me.

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    You guys (Ventana) are just bad...! Look, I am already saving my pennies for a Zeus, and now you tempt me with this? Love my El Salt (my third frame over many, many years now), but I envisioned selling / trading that towards the Zeus. Keeping my Terremoto, and yes Sherwood made a very good point for that one "one bike", the Zeus could be it. But, now like I said, they go and toss this beauty into the mix. Maybe I "need" the stable to consist of the Alpino and Terremoto? Or, should it be a Zeus and El Salt?

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    Here are the GEO's for both bikes for a 15" frame which might help you decide EL Salt

    Alpino -

    Frame Size 15"

    Seat Tube 15.5
    Top Tube 22.35
    Head Tube 3.50
    Wheel Base 43.72
    Stand Over 29.47
    Head Angle 68.5
    Seat Angle 73.5
    Reach 16.10
    Stack 22.64

    BB height 13.2" Chainstays 17" Fork Offset 44mm Fork Length 514mm

    Zeus -

    Frame Size 15"

    Seat Tube 15.21
    Top Tube 22.47
    Head Tube 4.38
    Wheel Base 44.57
    Standover 29.58
    Head Angle 67.6
    Seat Angle 74
    Reach 16.10
    Stack 23.32


    BB Height 13.4" Chainstays 17" Fork Offset 44mm Fork Length 534mm

    I got those geo numbers for the Alpino in January so they might have changed but that is what I have. If I was going to get one I'd get the Alpino for the simple fact that I don't need the extra travel and like the lower bottom bracket. However I currently have an El Bastardo with 5.5" travel but talked with Sherwood who said I could have the shock modded to drop down to
    2" stroke from 2.25' and change my rockers to 4" and since I am running a 130mm fork I'd get a slacker HA on my Bastard which is something I want because currently my Bastard has a 70 degree HA and I'd like to drop it to 69 degree's. According to Sherwood doing this change would accomplish that goal and also drop my BB height lower which is something I want as well.

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    As a declared weightweenie I must ask, do you happen to know the weight of the Alpino?

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    Alpino 650B/27.5" 120mm Travel Frame Pics

    Sorry, I did not get a chance to weigh it.
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    "Before D.W., "anti-squat" was referred to as pedal feedback."

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    Quote Originally Posted by doccoraje View Post
    As a declared weightweenie I must ask, do you happen to know the weight of the Alpino?
    Not sure about the Zeus or Alpino but my 16" El Bastardo completed bikes weigh's 27.6lbs with pedals. It isn't some crazy light build either. Stan's Crest tubeless wheelset with Chris King hubs. X9 front, X0 back, X9 grip shifters, 3 x 9 setup, SLX crankset, Chris King BB, Headset, Thompson Stem and seatpost, Ritchey Alloy bars and WTB Pure V saddle. So you can see these bikes can be made much lighter than my build. I am very happy to be in the 27 lb range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by procos View Post
    Lack of funds makes it easy for me.
    3 teenage daughters, still at home/in school, do the same for me .....

    Waiting for some info from Ventana on our swap deal.
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac47 View Post
    3 teenage daughters, still at home/in school, do the same for me .....

    Waiting for some info from Ventana on our swap deal.
    Cool just let me know when you find out. I sent you an email but now I know what you are waiting on and I'll just sit tight until I hear from you.

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    Yeah, talking to them about new bearing swap while they're off bike.
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac47 View Post
    Yeah, talking to them about new bearing swap while they're off bike.
    Is it something I should pursue as well. What are the benefits of changing?

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    PM on our alternate method so we don't distract from this thread.
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac47 View Post
    PM on our alternate method so we don't distract from this thread.
    Good idea. Check your email at your leisure.

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    I spoke with Sherwood last week about the lower standover top tube option, using that top tube the standover would be 28.2 for the Alpino and 28.6 for the Zeus, and I like the way it looks more than the standard tube.
    Quote Originally Posted by procos View Post
    Here are the GEO's for both bikes for a 15" frame which might help you decide EL Salt

    Alpino -

    Frame Size 15"

    Seat Tube 15.5
    Top Tube 22.35
    Head Tube 3.50
    Wheel Base 43.72
    Stand Over 29.47
    Head Angle 68.5
    Seat Angle 73.5
    Reach 16.10
    Stack 22.64

    BB height 13.2" Chainstays 17" Fork Offset 44mm Fork Length 514mm

    Zeus -

    Frame Size 15"

    Seat Tube 15.21
    Top Tube 22.47
    Head Tube 4.38
    Wheel Base 44.57
    Standover 29.58
    Head Angle 67.6
    Seat Angle 74
    Reach 16.10
    Stack 23.32


    BB Height 13.4" Chainstays 17" Fork Offset 44mm Fork Length 534mm

    I got those geo numbers for the Alpino in January so they might have changed but that is what I have. If I was going to get one I'd get the Alpino for the simple fact that I don't need the extra travel and like the lower bottom bracket. However I currently have an El Bastardo with 5.5" travel but talked with Sherwood who said I could have the shock modded to drop down to
    2" stroke from 2.25' and change my rockers to 4" and since I am running a 130mm fork I'd get a slacker HA on my Bastard which is something I want because currently my Bastard has a 70 degree HA and I'd like to drop it to 69 degree's. According to Sherwood doing this change would accomplish that goal and also drop my BB height lower which is something I want as well.

    Chuck

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Salt View Post
    You guys (Ventana) are just bad...! Look, I am already saving my pennies for a Zeus, and now you tempt me with this? Love my El Salt (my third frame over many, many years now), but I envisioned selling / trading that towards the Zeus. Keeping my Terremoto, and yes Sherwood made a very good point for that one "one bike", the Zeus could be it. But, now like I said, they go and toss this beauty into the mix. Maybe I "need" the stable to consist of the Alpino and Terremoto? Or, should it be a Zeus and El Salt?

    Bikes are fun, and Ventana is amazing, even if they can make a grown man cry!
    I think the Zeus would be the perfect Mammoth bike if you have to do some climbing, but that's just me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2TurnersNotEnough View Post
    I think the Zeus would be the perfect Mammoth bike if you have to do some climbing, but that's just me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by doccoraje View Post
    As a declared weightweenie I must ask, do you happen to know the weight of the Alpino?
    I just picked up my 21" Alpino this morning.......WOW, it's a really nice looking frame. I got a nice instructional package for the cable runs. I can post the weight when I back to the man cave.

    So my frame has 142x12mm drop outs and frame weight is without axle but with cable clamps and seat post clamp. A respectable 7.1 lbs
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    Salt, SoCal and Zeus are like peanut butter and jelly.

    I look forward to seeing this new Alpino built up.
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    Nice.

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    holy cow....this is going to be fun.

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    Now on the Ventana website: Alpino | Ventana Mountain Bikes USA
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    Congratulations on an aweome frame!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker4life View Post
    So my frame has 142x12mm drop outs and frame weight is without axle but with cable clamps and seat post clamp. A respectable 7.1 lbs
    Thanks, I also got the weight for the 17 from Teresa, 6.4 lbs translated to gr 2905. Not weightweenie, but, not bad at all!
    Chad's 19 6.81 lbs
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    Quote Originally Posted by doccoraje View Post
    Thanks, I also got the weight for the 17 from Teresa, 6.4 lbs translated to gr 2905. Not weightweenie, but, not bad at all!
    Chad's 19 6.81 lbs
    With or without shock?

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    Anyone that can post an Alpino picture with the lower standover top tube? Can't wait to start seeing some completes built up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    With or without shock?
    I guess that is shock included, but maybe Chad can chime in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by doccoraje View Post
    I guess that is shock included, but maybe Chad can chime in?
    Ventana always gives weights with the Shock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciclistagonzo View Post
    Ventana always gives weights with the Shock.
    Thats what I thought.
    Thanks Gonzo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuenstock View Post
    Anyone that can post an Alpino picture with the lower standover top tube? Can't wait to start seeing some completes built up.
    The Toptube looks like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fuenstock View Post
    Anyone that can post an Alpino picture with the lower standover top tube? Can't wait to start seeing some completes built up.
    hybrid level2 140, HT68.6, WB44.09, standover 28.2
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    Please post up a profile picture of this bike when it's built, looks like something that would fulfill my needs. I sure like the look of this top tube far better than the standard arched version.
    Quote Originally Posted by naapoongoyangy View Post
    hybrid level2 140, HT68.6, WB44.09, standover 28.2

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    Quote Originally Posted by naapoongoyangy View Post
    hybrid level2 140, HT68.6, WB44.09, standover 28.2
    Looks very nice. What does "level2" equate to $$$ wise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowrider View Post
    Please post up a profile picture of this bike when it's built, looks like something that would fulfill my needs. I sure like the look of this top tube far better than the standard arched version.
    xx1
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    ritchey carbon stem/handle, vantage wheels
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    Quote Originally Posted by slowrider View Post
    Please post up a profile picture of this bike when it's built, looks like something that would fulfill my needs. I sure like the look of this top tube far better than the standard arched version.
    Yes, please post a picture of this bike built up. Im liking the low standover top tube!

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    I need LOW, low, low, standover with a longer TT. Long torso, short inseam. So, when I looked at Ventana's standard geo chart, the standover turned me off. I would Totally do one of these now that I have seen one with a TT that low.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slowrider View Post
    Please post up a profile picture of this bike when it's built, looks like something that would fulfill my needs. I sure like the look of this top tube far better than the standard arched version.
    I'd love to see it as well.....
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    did great until i hit the snow

    the xx1 is freakin awesome. 32t and that is fine for me

    i went with the stans crest cuz that is what was around so i could ride.
    i may revise with ritchey carbons if they ever get it out and flush out the driver for xx1
    the hans dampfs are pretty nice.
    i like pedals straps -period. so please no comments on that, they work damn fine for me. fyxation fyi

    just under 27LBS
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    Almost Finished Alpino

    It's been a slow build with some part changes. I was going to use my 2008 Fox on my 650B HT, then decided to buy Fox (a Trust MTBR member talked me out of that), then back to the old Fox, and finally onto a new RS Rev all blacked out.....which is the theme of my bike.....Ventana Spec Ops Ole'

    Enjoy
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    Nice looking Alpinos! Bkr4life,
    What travel are you running the pike at?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuenstock View Post
    Nice looking Alpinos! Bkr4life,
    What travel are you running the pike at?
    It's not a Pike! It's a Revelation. From what I see so far the SID, Rev and Pike have black upper tubes for mid year moving forward

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    Guess I better hurry up and build you some wheels, eh?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by naapoongoyangy View Post
    did great until i hit the snow

    the xx1 is freakin awesome. 32t and that is fine for me

    i went with the stans crest cuz that is what was around so i could ride.
    i may revise with ritchey carbons if they ever get it out and flush out the driver for xx1
    the hans dampfs are pretty nice.
    i like pedals straps -period. so please no comments on that, they work damn fine for me. fyxation fyi

    just under 27LBS
    How is the 140mm fork feeling on the Alpino? That's something I would probably like. Did you go with custom geo vs standard geo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker4life View Post
    It's not a Pike! It's a Revelation. From what I see so far the SID, Rev and Pike have black upper tubes for mid year moving forward
    Opps, I just assumed it was a pike and dint read your post. What travel are you going to run the Rev at? From your picture it looks taller than 120mm to me? I've been very happy with my 2012 Rev I have on my Ciclon

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    One step closer

    Quote Originally Posted by fuenstock View Post
    Opps, I just assumed it was a pike and dint read your post. What travel are you going to run the Rev at? From your picture it looks taller than 120mm to me? I've been very happy with my 2012 Rev I have on my Cinclon
    No, it's set at 120mm. I got the wheels this weekend. I am waiting on my PF 30 press adapters for my King BB.
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    That bike is looking good

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuenstock View Post
    How is the 140mm fork feeling on the Alpino? That's something I would probably like. Did you go with custom geo vs standard geo?
    i got a custom blend
    zeus wb
    alpino ht angle
    zeus st angle
    alpino bb
    all skwished into a lower standover and 140travel
    this was per Sherwoods rec given my style and local trails

    it rides very smoothly thru the squirrelly flow up here in pacNW
    got some action recently on some larger drops unexpectedly and there was barely a scuffup
    it loves technical uphills as i had requested esp with the rear remote lockout which i wont do w/o from now on.
    my 150# doesnt tax the crest/dampf setup at all.

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    I only ride bikes to fill the time when I'm not skiing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Salt View Post
    Interesting
    He built it up and did not like the fit? Happens..

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