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    2012 El Chucho (69'er)

    2012 El Chucho Semi-Custom 15/17" in Level I custom color Mango Tango. The "mutt" lives! 29'er front 26" rear. 140/150mm travel like the Ciclon.

    A word about the color. The pics again don't do it justice, it is really bright, Orange Crush bright but with a depth to it and this frame had Silver sparkle on top and it's almost impossible to catch the sparkles on "film".

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    The 140/150 rockers and good veiw of the F3P washer.

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    Taper Headtube and new version (to fit the 1.5" sized bottom) of the Bigote Gusset

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    And now for the Beauty Shots!

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    Good lord that is nice. Much nicer than the previous version.

    What fork is it based on? 120mm 29er?

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    Nice , I've always wondered what a 69er rode like....being you would have the shorter stays with the 26 in. rear tri yet still have the big front wheel ! Please send me an XL one to demo and I promise an in-depth ride report ! TIG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TIGMAN View Post
    Nice , I've always wondered what a 69er rode like....being you would have the shorter stays with the 26 in. rear tri yet still have the big front wheel ! Please send me an XL one to demo and I promise an in-depth ride report ! TIG.
    Hey Tigman, where you at? I'll be someday getting my new Chucho frame, 21", and would let you take it for a day or so. If we ever cross paths you're welcome to a test ride for sure.
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    Down the toptube to the rocker. Yeah, that's a nice shot. Good job.
    Well, it was a good try.

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    Careful with those high quality pics. El Salt is gonna think you're moving in on his turf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2TurnersNotEnough View Post
    Careful with those high quality pics. El Salt is gonna think you're moving in on his turf.
    Think about it Paul, you never see us together, same place / same time... think about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Salt View Post
    Think about it Paul, you never see us together, same place / same time... think about it.
    Quit messing with my head!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2TurnersNotEnough View Post
    Careful with those high quality pics. El Salt is gonna think you're moving in on his turf.
    Thanks Paul, appreciate that. I've had a good teacher.

    Or am I the teacher?!?! Hmmmm, you never know......
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    69er !

    Quote Originally Posted by Internal14 View Post
    Hey Tigman, where you at? I'll be someday getting my new Chucho frame, 21", and would let you take it for a day or so. If we ever cross paths you're welcome to a test ride for sure.


    Hey man , thanks for the cool offer and I'd take you up on it too if I didn't live way up in Iceland ( northern MN ) ! Seriously, I would like to try one though....its been awhile since I've last visited California , I heard its a lot warmer in the winter then here ! TIG.
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    is it going to fit a 650b rear?

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    Does Sherwood still take trade-in's of well-loved Ventana's or do we have to break them first to qualify?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripes View Post
    He'll take well-loved ones too. You don't have to do 6 foot drop to flat first.
    A classic Witch like this would barely even notice a 6 foot drop:
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    The new frames look even more stunning. Good work Ventana.

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    I'd really like to take that bike for a test ride. Does Ventana have any shops in the NE that do demos? Or any places that would rent out Ventanas?

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    Nice Color!

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    Is the geo the same as on the website? Did they keep the same geo on the new frames? I'm really interested in making this my next bike but the 69 degree HTA for a 29" front wheel is way too slack for a bike that I want to feel nimble.

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    Any change in geometry with the new swoopy frame? Looks great.

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    should be ciclon rear with corresponding chainstay length etc.

    has anybody checked the rear tire clearance? would like to fit a 650b ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J View Post
    Is the geo the same as on the website? Did they keep the same geo on the new frames? I'm really interested in making this my next bike but the 69 degree HTA for a 29" front wheel is way too slack for a bike that I want to feel nimble.
    Dont worry about the HTA I have a older El Chucho...I like the feel and reaction on the steeper trails and S/T.

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    I've put wider bars on my current 29er and have gotten use to it and I have to say that the 69 HTA does work well. Now that that issue is out of the way, how 'bout you do full write up on the new El Chuch and convince me to finally pull the trigger on this frame!

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    My El Chucho frame is scheduled to be here on Wednesday. It is a similar sized frame 17" with the 15" head tube length. Grinch Green. Will post pics when it gets built up.

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    Five rides on the "mutt" Much more nimble than I expected. Took it down our Black Mountain/Avery Creek descent which is a technical 1800 ft vertical and it ate it up! Looking forward to seeing if the guys from BIKE rode this while they were here for the Bible of Bike test issue that hopefully will arrive in my mailbox today.

    Here with another mutt (Bailey)



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    Pictures.....?

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    Sorry, I thought I had been successful in uploading the pictures. Full XT build except for the XTR trail brakes. I had put on WTB Bronsons on the bike but quickly went back to the Nevegals. 2.2 up front and 2.35 in the rear. Just felt more confident with them. The WTB's roll really well though. Flat wide bar for now.



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    Quote Originally Posted by spitfire111 View Post
    Sorry, I thought I had been successful in uploading the pictures. Full XT build except for the XTR trail brakes. I had put on WTB Bronsons on the bike but quickly went back to the Nevegals. 2.2 up front and 2.35 in the rear. Just felt more confident with them. The WTB's roll really well though. Flat wide bar for now.



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    whatever...

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    Gorgeous bike!!! Is the fork a F29 TALAS 32 120mm?

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    It is the TALAS 32 120. Set at the lower 95 mm setting. Just got done with a climb.

    I was toying with the idea of using the TALAS 34 140 but decided the half pound and the longer travel on the lower end not worth the benefits. I really do use the travel adjustment here on our trails and like the ability to get over the front wheel a bit more easily.

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    pretty bike spit , real pretty pit

    so your bike is a 17" seat tube w/ a 15" tt ? how tall are you ? inseam?

    i wonder if a bastardo rear would go on this for 29f/650r

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    It is a 17" bike except for the 15" head tube. I have found that on steeper climbs the 29' front wheel wanted to lift on my Trek 69'er so I went with the shorter head tube. It has worked like a charm on the Chucho. I am right under 5'10"(used to be) and I haven't measured my inseam but I wear 30" length Levis. Just got back from a ride and it was magic on a three mile 1900 foot technical descent and climbed very well too.

    I am pretty sure a 650b wheel wouldn't fit with this swing arm. I eyeballed it with a 650b wheelset that I converted a Heckler to a Beckler. But, I wouldn't be surprised if Sherwood would put a longer swingarm on a Chucho front triangle. Looks like he is going to build a 650b bike again.

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    ok , i get it , good ideur w/ the shorter ht

    i really dig your bike man and you are just a touch taller than me , i have always prefered lg/19 frames for the roominess they offer but if i'm gonna go 29f i will reel that in a bit .

    i think your bike would be the shiznit for me

    gonna run it by the v peeps monday about the 650 rear on a frame just like yours , it will need the "stars and stripes" stickers like i got for my current v though


    did doggy go w/ ?

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    Sounds like it would be a really cool bike.

    Bailey didn't go this time. Happy and Freckles two of our other rescue pitties went today.

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    Can you let us know what V says about a 650B rear trianglel on the El Chucho? I am interested in the option too....

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    will do jc


    spit , i had 3 rescues and the one we have now was a gift from friends a hemfield rednose , gotta watch those pitbulls , they will lick you right to death

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    so i talked to sg about the chucho w/ a 650b out back and he said it was doable but would not recommend doing so as all the benifits of the 26 out back would be lost .

    he suggested that if i like the 650b thing that much to just get a bastardo or the new one coming out .

    i have run both my chamuco and pantera full 26 , b26 w/ 650 up front and full 650b , i can see where he is coming from for sure . i really like the chammy in full 650 , it just eats stuff up !
    the pantera is setup to be my rough terrain xc'ish machine . it's a high speed , quick little ripper that goes up and down very well in b26 mode w/ the fork set at 80mm while still keeping the weight down a bit . think i'm gonna try an offset shock bushing to lower the bb/slack it out just a touch more while in that configuration .

    back on topic --------- "possible but why would you want to ? " and "i ride a chucho and the thought of putting a 650 on the back never crossed my mind" were the two points of the conversation that stick in my mind the most .

    when i get a new one it probably gonna be the chucho

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    Thanks for the update! I guess if one fully likes the 69er concept for both its front and rear characteristics, it does not make much sense to throw a larger wheel at the back.... Yet, I think a 650B rear wheel would potentiate the "roll-over stuff" capability of the front 29er without impeding pedaling and flickability too much. At least that's my opinion after having tried 26" and 650B rear wheels on my El Ciclon (with 650B front).
    Perhaps Sherwood will be more enthusiastic about a 29er front wheel on the upcoming 650B bike....!?
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    yeah , rollover , you and i are on the same page jc , i was thinking if the b26 thing works out so good as well as knowing the 650 rears pros/cons that maybe it would benefit a 29 front .

    while on a binge embibe , the thought of trying a 29er front on the chamuco has crossed my mind , that ideur was quickly shot down in flames upon further thought ......

    we shall see as far as the "new 650b" from v but hey, i can dig where he's coming from .

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    I really like my Santa Cruz Beckler but I like how the Chucho descends even better. The 26" wheel in the back really accelerates well out of corners and up steep climbes. But, I think a B9'er with similar geometry to the El Chucho would be a blast too.

    In comparison to the Beckler the El Chucho feels smaller even with a longer top tube. I always thought the Heckler was a great point and shoot bike but the Ventana is even more so and it just holds lines better too.

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    yeah i hear ya spitfire , my pantera is just sick in b26 , it seems it's becoming a hard decision as to what wheel combo to ride on that bike , last time out i brought both my lightest 26 set and 650/nev set and rode the same 1/2 hr loop 3 times , 26 , b26 and 650 , all had pros/cons depending on what particular section i was in . that loop is pretty diverse . the fork at 80mm may be hurting the 26 setup but feels really good w/ b26 and full 650b's . i gotta set that thing at 100mm and try it all again sometime . a lighter front 650 wheel/tire combo up front w/ lower rolling resistance would be fantastic too .

    is your bekler b26 or full 650b ?

    whats the ht angle, bb height and wheelbase fon your absolutely stunning (gawd that is hawt) chucho ? beckler ?

    it looks like dreamride offers a chucho based b29'er , one of the f series units .

    in the effort of gaining knowledge i'm gonna try one of my 650b rears on 2 freinds ht 29'ers just for shites and giggles

    damn this is fun

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    My Beckler is full 650b. The raised BB doesn't seem to hurt it at all.

    The ht angle is 69 degrees, the BB height is 13.37 inches the wheelbase is 43.78 inches on the El Chucho.

    On the Beckler(Medium Heckler frame): ht angle 69 degrees, BB height is 14.25(13.5 +.75 for 650b wheels) (but I think that is before sag), wheelbase 43.7 inches. The short wheelbase is due to the very short top tube. One of the reasons I like the fit of the El Chucho better..

    The shock length is the same for both bikes. I am thinking about trying the DH5 coil on the Ventana at some point.

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    Ventana El Chucho

    Can anyone tell me what the frame weight is in Large? Also, How does this bike handle getting up and over rocky ledges going uphill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by endoguru View Post
    Can anyone tell me what the frame weight is in Large? Also, How does this bike handle getting up and over rocky ledges going uphill?

    Not sure of the weight. Give Teresa at ventanausa dot com an email and ask her. They usually do a pretty good job of weighing ACTUAL frames as they go out the door per size/model.


    As for the uphill techy ledgy riding characteristics I'll say this:

    If you're used to the super planted, go straight and up and over everything with little body english style that comes with riding a full 29er, then the front end of the Chucho feels a little light. Personally I like this. It makes it real easy to lean just a touch rearward, a bit of torque on the cranks, and the front end lofts up easily and then body goes forward and the rear end mountain goats right on up.


    It DOES take more mental thought than a full 29er bike though.


    The trade offs are that you still get the normal low gearing, as a 29er is a bigger final gear you're pushing. More strong rear wheel. The absolute play flick ability feel of the bike at speed flowing through tight twistys with bumps and berms begging you to slam th bike around. I feel that full 29ers just don't have that 'fun' factor in them. Bigger wheel, more weight further out, gyroscope affect, longer stays, whatever all seem to dampen my 'fun-ability' on a full 29er.


    Now, this is MY OPINION. I'm sure there's gonna be a backlash of El Cap, El Rey owners that are going to come out with guns blazing about how they can toss their bikes around too.
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    Thanks for the feedback. The "planted" feel of a 29er in the front end is what I am trying to get away from. I call it heavy and hard to lift up and over obstacles. I find I am missing the fun factor since I switched to 29ers. This seems like a good compromise.

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    Spitfire,

    Sweet bike - I've got a quick question about the fork. I'm planning on buying an El Chucho and am toying with the ideal of a Fox 34 Talas. I noticed that you have your 32 Talas pulled down to 95mm for climbing - would you feel that the Talas in 120mm mode is too long for steep climbing (the 34 in 110mm mode has the same axle-crown dim as the 32 in 120mm). A lot of the riding that I do is one long climb followed by one long descent, so the 140mm fork is appealing, but some of the climbing is pretty steep, so.... Also, do you have any rigidity concerns with the 32? How much do you weigh?

    Thanks for your time.

    Brad

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    Holy beautiful

    The more I ride my 69r conversion, the more I think maybe it's the way to go! Thanks all who posted

    Any word on a 140mm fork? The site says 120, seems 140 might make a sick AM bike?
    what would rainbow unicorn do?

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