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    Wasatch Enduro. Who's In? Course Questions

    I'm signed up for the Bell Wasatch Enduro on July 21. Who else is in?

    I love the Enduro format and have been riding the Fears Tears and Beers Enduro over here in Ely the past 6 years. Glad to see this format finally catching on. Super excited for the race!

    Coupla course questions/comments:
    I thought they wimped out a bit letting us ride up the Gondola for the Stage 3 Transfer section.....although I doubt I'll be complaining too much come race day.

    What is Short Swing? Is it just a connector from Ambush to Lower Holly's?

    Anyone have any beta on Insurgent? I hadn't looked at this map before I pre-rode the course last weekend and didn't know where to look for it.

    I do like that they have cut-offs for the transfer sections. We've been thinking about adding that to our race with penalties for being late just like regular ISDE qualifiers (moto enduro races). Just haven't figured out how to do it without it getting too complicated.

    If you haven't ridden Hollies at speed it might be good to get a few pre-runs in. It's narrower and rockier than I remember and has a few surprises
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    I'm in! Although I'm sure I'll get my ace kicked it sounds like a ton of fun. I've never done an enduro-style race but I love the format. I have raced 1 Super D last year at Wolf Mtn. I too would like to know a little more about the course. I'm planning on heading down from Ogden at least once to pre-ride the course so I'm not riding it blind. Hope to see you there Rob!

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    I'm going as well. After last weeks super d I'm scared.

    Good to know about Hollies. I havent ridden any of those courses at the canyons. Thankfully we have a month or so to get up there and look at it.

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    I'm not sure if Insurgent started out as an official trail as I've heard it called a few different things. It can be a bit tricky to find, but it looks like Canyons has adopted it as their "techy DH trail" and is now on their summer Trail Map and party of the system. It can be accessed from the Mid Mt trail past holly's right as you come out on the service road. As of Monday, there wasn't any signage so I'd recommend watching the course videos that are on the Wasatch Enduro site to get a feel for the area. Here's a link to a photo I took the other day right where the trail starts off the access road. Instagram

    It's definitely the steepest/techiest section of the race.

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    Just talked with some friends who rode Holly's last night... sounds like it's been sanitized through the tight, rooty trees near the top and it appears that work is continuing down hill from there.

    Haven't seen for myself but the second hand news is not good. Bummer, that trail had some real character.

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    Insurgient

    Thanks for the info. I rode right past the entrance twice then on my way over to the top of Hollies via Mid Mountain. Sure didn't see anything.... but I didn't know to look there either.

    Sounds like that's one I should've gotten a pre-run on. Hopefully I'll get in there again sometime before the race.
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    I'm in, let me know if you have any questions.

    Since the resort is open now i expect Insurgent and Hollys to be fully blown out by race day. That will add some challenge. This is going to be a kick-ass event!!!
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    I think I'm in - its between this and the Steamboat BME event. What should I do?

    I've never ridden in the area, let alone these trails. Are they super tricky or should I be okay with just one day of practice?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoahColorado View Post
    I think I'm in - its between this and the Steamboat BME event. What should I do?

    I've never ridden in the area, let alone these trails. Are they super tricky or should I be okay with just one day of practice?
    You'll be fine with a day of practice. The trails are fairly straight forward, and there are sections that are used twice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by krispy@go-ride.com View Post
    I'm in, let me know if you have any questions.

    Since the resort is open now i expect Insurgent and Hollys to be fully blown out by race day. That will add some challenge. This is going to be a kick-ass event!!!
    I may be able to do some practice runs on the weekend before the race (July 12-14). Let me know if any of you want to join me.

    What are you thinking in the way of tires given the "blown out" nature of the trail, Krispy?

    Missed you guys at the FTB.
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    A buddy of mine that is doing the race with me and I drove over from O-town and pre-rode the course yesterday. Pretty fun, pretty humbling. We rode it without many breaks and the uphills faster than we probably will on race day as we were pressed for time so I think we were more beat than we'd like for Stage 6. I will say that everyone in mid-riding season shape should make the climbing transitions in plenty of time so no need to kill yourself. Lower Holly's is said to be fixed on race day. Couldn't get a feel for how fast we'll go with all the speed traps. The biggest challenge for me personally will be riding down "Insurgent" with any sort of speed/gusto. It's really techy and blown-out/sandy in all the steep corners now. My goal is just to survive that section and have stamina to blow through Lower Holly's in a reasonable amount of time. One of the biggest challenges that I think will get everyone is the heat. Make sure to have plenty of water. We rode the course almost at the same times we'll be racing and it was quite hot and it really sapped our energy. All-in-all this will be a bad assed race and super fun day!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoahColorado View Post
    I think I'm in - its between this and the Steamboat BME event. What should I do?

    I've never ridden in the area, let alone these trails. Are they super tricky or should I be okay with just one day of practice?
    Noah if it makes you feel any better, I LIVE here and I haven't bothered to practice at all.

    I think 10 days in Whistler will be adequate preparation.

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    I'm concerned about the heat as well.

    Debating whether to carry a full face on my back then switching for the timed descents or not.
    Doesn't seem like that much extra weight...but I did this other day on a local trail and it does feel heavier and bulkier while climbing.

    What's everyone else doing?

    Just XC lid?
    Enduro type helmet?

    Or Climb with XC then switch to Full face for descents?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    I'm concerned about the heat as well.

    Debating whether to carry a full face on my back then switching for the timed descents or not.
    Doesn't seem like that much extra weight...but I did this other day on a local trail and it does feel heavier and bulkier while climbing.

    What's everyone else doing?

    Just XC lid?
    Enduro type helmet?

    Or Climb with XC then switch to Full face for descents?
    To test it out Rob, I wore my XC lid on the ups then switched to knee pads and the full face on the downs. I didn't really notice any extra weight and (for me) liked the confidence the extra protection gave me. No way I'd want to climb with my pads and full face on in this heat. I normally carry my knee pads on the ups on weekly rides anyway. My XC helmet strapped into my camelbak was just fine. Hope this helps. I might be more overly cautious than some but I cut my face open about 5 years ago on a descent and was lucky I didn't lose an eye, crush my cheek bone, etc. Just a well healed scar. I feel that the upper part of the last stage through "Insurgent" definitely warrants a full face but I'm sure some dudes will just be blasting through with their XC lids and lego-man goggles, leaving me in the dust...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Chop! View Post
    . I feel that the upper part of the last stage through "Insurgent" definitely warrants a full face
    Thanks. Yeah, climbing in the FF would definitely suck with this heat.

    Sounds like I need to get a run or two in on Insurgent. That's the one I missed when I was up there a few weeks ago.

    I'm debating putting bigger knobs on the front for the deep, soft conditions on some parts even if they will be heavier and roll slower on the smoother buff stuff.
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    Are the trails still tacky from the recent rains or are we back to poof dust? Trying to make a final decision on tires. Just checked the 5 day forecast. Looks like a chance of rain both Friday and Saturday. Temps should be good.

    Also, I'm assuming the trails will be marked with flagging or ribbons and turns with arrows. I'm pretty sure I could do the route without but I'd hate to take a wrong turn and lose a bunch of time.
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    I'd count on moondust, it's great right now, but it'll be warm and sunny for the next few days.

    As for course marking, i can't speak for the promoter but i'm sure there will be signs and ribbon. I hope the open sections will be completely lined with ribbon but i don't know for sure how well it will be taped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by krispy@go-ride.com View Post
    I hope the open sections will be completely lined with ribbon but i don't know for sure how well it will be taped.
    I wondered about those sections where you cross a ski run then switchback on the far side then cross it again. Seems like a place less honorable folks (cheaters) could cut course. Fully lined with caution tape would be appreciated.
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    Lots of cheater lines already appearing during training, so hopefully they aggressively tape those sections.

    Definitely count on moon dust. Insurgent is going to be HAMMERED.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit View Post

    Definitely count on moon dust. Insurgent is going to be HAMMERED.
    Yup, and the chance of rain is only hovering at around 25% between now and Saturday. Maybe they will shop vac insurgent before the race...

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    Just registered....never ridden the course, not gonna get a chance to before Saturday, and am s-t-o-k-e-d!

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    well i was going to pre ride tomorrow but my wheels arent out of the shop until tomorrow. there goes my registration cheddar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by While At Rome View Post
    well i was going to pre ride tomorrow but my wheels arent out of the shop until tomorrow. there goes my registration cheddar.
    Ehh. I've only pre-ridden the course once, and I think many people are in the same boat. It may be true that in the Euro-enduro events there really isn't a lot of course preview and a lot of "riding blind"?? Either way...it will be nice to support this race format in Utah.

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    A quick question about trail closures for this event. A few of us were planning on starting at Deer Valley, climbing up to the crest and dropping down Holly's to the base of Canyon's. We are starting early (0530), but I am wondering approximately what time there will be riders on the course. We don't want to mess with the race, and I actually assume Holly's will be closed to non-participants.

    If he head a bit north to Rob's/Colin's to get to the base, would that be better? It appears from the website that those trails will be unaffected.

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neilether View Post

    If he head a bit north to Rob's/Colin's to get to the base, would that be better? It appears from the website that those trails will be unaffected.

    Thanks.
    I think one of the transfer stages is Ambush to Rob's to midmountain. You would potentially run into uphill traffic from the intersection of crest connector to the intersection of Ambush while riding midmountain/rob's.

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    Thanks for the heads up. That is a pretty short section, so if we decide to do that we could just take that little section nice and slow downhill.

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    Hopefully you didn't run into too many racers on Mid Mountain. As we were climbing the section from the Ambush up to Insurgent on MM I felt bad for all the riders coming down that section. It is such a fast, smooth, flowy section and having to stop every 10 seconds to let racers by must've been annoying.

    I finally just pulled over and told them to ride on through but they were all being so polite and following trail etiquette that it was hard to get them to do it.

    Good race. Fun trails. The time cut offs for the transfer sections were a bit too generous and resulted in long waits at the start of the timed sections but I suspect some of that was necessary to get the timing equipment moved, etc. The weather was mild and chatting with other racers made it so the waits weren't bad.
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    ^ I thought the same thing every time someone passed going down..

    Also, I thought the waiting period was a bit long, but overall it was a super fun race. I wish there were more around here!
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    same here. But the wait before stage 6 in particular was super long and completely killed my spirits. Luckily the trail was such a ripper that in a minute or so I was back into it.

    Can't wait to see some of the photos. This photographer posted some on facebook:
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    Luckily they let the old guys go right behind the amateur women so we "only" had an 1 1/2 hour wait at the top of Stage 6. Other than the flies that wasn't too big a deal plus it gave me some time to walk the top part of the course.... although I'm not sure if that helped or hindered. I felt like I was anticipating a couple of those log rollers and slowed down too much because I new they were there. I think I'd've been faster to hit 'em blind at speed.

    Glad it didn't open up an start pouring like it look like it might. That would've made the wait a bit more obnoxious.

    Thanks for posting the FB link on Cotton Sox photography. Some good shots in there. Looks like I made the first 40 pics posted. (That's me in the first pic....not throwin' down the style on the finishline jump).
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    More photos today..

    2012 Wasatch Enduro Event Photos | Facebook

    CottonSox also posted about 450 pics here of pretty much anyone in it:
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    Had a blast racing. Probably outclassed by 75% of the guys racing but that's o.k. Myself and my buddy both had mechanicals on the last stage. I a jammed chain that took 10 minutes to fix and my buddy who had two flats, that totally took us out of the race. We finished though, and that's all that matters. I would have walked my bike down to the finish if I had to! Yeah, the wait between transitions, especially between 2 and 3 were generous but that's o.k. A great day in general. Can't wait until next year!

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    Glad you guys enjoyed it despite the mechanicals. I had my rear tire burp out about half its air going over the first log flow killer on lower Holly's on Stage 2. Thought for sure it was going flat but it held fine the rest of the way down. Just a little squirrely on corners and I had to ease up on the square edge logs and rocks.

    The exceptionally short and easy transfer sections, not to mention the gondola ride, made it all feel like a three run super-D instead of a true Enduro but it was a great race nonetheless.

    Love this picture posted on Wasatch Enduro FB page.
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    Pretty awesome first person perspective from Ali Goulet of the course. I love the two wrecks (which really normal) yet he placed super well showing it just doesn't matter. Also the technical and steep areas like "two pines" or whever its called, and the steep skidded out loose dirt areas and then his riding on the other areas aren't done justice in the vid (as usual):



    Keep in mind he's just hammering through **** like this:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Chop! View Post
    Had a blast racing. Probably outclassed by 75% of the guys racing but that's o.k. Myself and my buddy both had mechanicals on the last stage. I a jammed chain that took 10 minutes to fix and my buddy who had two flats, that totally took us out of the race. We finished though, and that's all that matters. I would have walked my bike down to the finish if I had to! Yeah, the wait between transitions, especially between 2 and 3 were generous but that's o.k. A great day in general. Can't wait until next year!
    Nice same here, I'll freely admit it that I was the tall "XC-like" clyde on the super expensive brand new bike who didn't look like he knew WTF he was doing. Even get a little made fun of here in this photo... I pride myself (or at least really like riding) strong technical downhills despite mostly being a XC rider though..

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    The issues were:

    - pretty strong chain suck also on downhill 2 that I figure it took about a minutes to fix...

    - 3rd run, did have a good crash in the super steep loose section (which I was just loving, and riding as fast as possible) but was back up in seconds. It was big enough to twist my handlebars slightly though so I had to find the tool in my pack and get it back straight so this was about a minute in all too. So total two minutes in wasted possibly preventable time...

    - I didn't put a dropper on this bike for weight when I built is a couple weeks ago. In hindsight I maybe should have. New bike though pretty XC looking is 69 degrees head angle / 140 fork for a 29er which is actually super powerful on descents and ate it up just as it always does... Super hard to go head over on too...

    - I usually just ride, ride hard even XC style, in just a cotton t-shirt with pride, but my work gave me a jersey to wear it the day before, so I definitely looked the part of an XC guy...

    - I'm just a tall ass guy at 6'5 so even though that seat post looks like it was way up it was still and inch or two lower than normal.

    - For descent #1 (the photo) I was still in uphill gear when I started the race, so I f'd that up and looked like a spaz at the start...

    - Did not preride the course, don't really care about that too much though and had fun and nothing was intimidating. I rode all the hard stuff super fast and fairly clean, actually was slow on the starts and the areas that needed the relentless aggressive pedaling..

    - I was mostly out there for me only, not so much to do well. This is why I didn't wear pads or full face (I have all that stuff too, mostly from moto).

    - First and only race, not really a racer though I can ride hard uphill/fast these days... Placed about 1/2 way through my division including the DNFs, bottom 1/3rd without even with all of the above.. Actually pretty psyched about that. On top of just being a 6'5 clyde at 230lb. I ski hard, have competed in extreme comps, and get around pretty well for as big as I am but the reality is you just can't always compete with the little guys and that just life... So in all I think I placed about as well as I probably could/should have, and think that is actually pretty good.. I was also super courteous to the folks behind me particularly the super fast guys. With the above little issues had one pass on the first, played leapfrog with two guys on the second, and got passed once on the last and was nice to these folks instead of being a dick for for the sake of improving my times.. In all I think I could have done maybe 2.5 minutes better if I really tried or didn't have tech issues...

    - Was riding well/fast on the uphills though it wasn't timed. I was passing folks a lot (super polite as well) mostly because I was just feeling really strong on the climbs even though it wasn't timed, again mostly just for me and because it was a little painful with the guys spinning like crazy on their heavy bikes carrying two helmets etc..


    So in all I'm psyched.. Other than all of the sitting around (which is pretty normal, I guess, for any downhill oriented race) it was fun.. Pretty sure I would do it again.... Would be fun to have some closer buddies there the day of. Knew plenty of folks lightly but they were in different divisions so there was a lot of just sitting around with folks I hardly knew... Best buddies who would have done it with me were all out of town..


    My vote/input on changes for the event are:

    --- Break the comp into two win categories for each division. One that times uphills and one that doesn't. This way there is more of a XC 4-5" travel type category and then one that focuses a little more on the super slacked out 6" + bikes and how you want to ride or place is your call...

    --- A couple more timing computers would be cool so when you get to the next descent you can just drop it at your pace instead of sitting around since its all based on timing anyway... Then spend more time in the beer garden at the end of the day...

    --- Maybe make the whole thing considerably bigger and longer as the total distances etc were all pretty short (by Wasatch standards, I think)... I would be psyched for this to grow and I think that would help and also likely get way more riders involved.

    I think these three changes could get something like 400-500 folks involved for next year for sure as it would just push it to much broader appeal. With all of those folks with having more timing locations so you could just go, it likely wouldn't cause too many more traffic jams I figure... They'd likely be mostly on the uphills mostly...

    And these three things would have made it better for me personally... But again, had a blast and that last descent (Ambush) took the whole event from being only OK to basically making my day because that descent is so awesome. The loose dirt, any of that ****, didn't bother me at all in fact was a total blast. Favorite section by far was the technical areas above and below the two pines little drop (that also didn't even phase me in the slightest despite one wreck).. Had a blast on the water bars and little drops on Holly's too because the big 5.5" 29er just ate it up...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dieselcruiserhead View Post

    My vote/input on changes for the event are:

    --- Break the comp into two win categories for each division. One that times uphills and one that doesn't. This way there is more of a XC 4-5" travel type category and then one that focuses a little more on the super slacked out 6" + bikes and how you want to ride or place is your call...
    I agree with a lot of your suggestions except this one. This would make it very un-Enduro like, which would defeat the purpose of an Enduro race.

    Glad you had fun and were rocking the XC bike!

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    Mt Ogden 100k Question

    Does the 100k course do laps which covers the same ground twice (ie, 2 laps of the 50K course)?

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