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    New question here. Park City Trip Planner

    I have been doing some research about Park City as a friend and I intend to go there on the 19th-21st of July. I have heard the downhill is epic and we felt compelled to go for a summer road trip.

    I will be renting bikes and it seems like there are two major resorts.
    Ski Bike Hike Park City Utah at Deer Valley Resort
    Summer Home | Canyons

    Having never been there, I don't know which is better. I won't be able to bring my bike so rental is important. Canyons resort rents GT Fury and Deer Valley rents Giant Glory 2.

    Anyone have any thoughts on which is better. I should also state that I haven't ridden lift-served downhill in a few years. I should probably go for the one with more moderate terrain as I will probably be skipping the 8 foot drop offs this time around.

    I am also very interested in any info about restaurants, microbreweries and other summer nightlife in the town. I did a search for a similar thread but I wasn't able to find much info about Park City.
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    As I don't ride lifts, I can't speak to the quality of DH options at Deer Valley vs. Canyons Resorts. However, those ARE the two places to look for riding lifts. Those two resorts are close enough that you don't need to limit yourself to one resort or the other if you will be there for a few days. There are less than 20 minutes of driving apart and there is a free shuttle bus that you can grab to go to either resort.

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    Thanks Charcist!!! Much appreciated. Any thought on which resort has better XC trails?

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    Park City Mountain Resort and Deer Valley have better XC trails than the Canyons. The trails between DV and PC are pretty contiguous (I ride there 3 days/week in the summer and have a hard time knowing when I leave one resort and enter the other), but I'd say PC has an edge on the XC trails, especially during that time (read:hot) of the year. If you are trying to group compromise on XC / DH, you can't go wrong by parking at Silver Lake at DV. Lift-served starts right there and the Midmountain trail starts/ends there for all sorts of awesome XC loop options with as much or little climbing as you want.

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    If you like cross country, Park City is amazing. But, you are not limited to riding one resort or another. The trail system is pretty much everywhere in town. So, you can start from wherever and ride to whatever single track trail you want.And you can hop on a lift at one of the resorts if you want to gain some vertical the easy way. Or you can get a shuttle to the top of guardsman Pass to do the Crest trail without having to climb all the way there. And the trails all interconnect. Also, across the freeway is the Glenwild trail system (which you can ride to from town) and also in town is the Round Valley trail system. These two trail systems are not associated with any of the ski resorts, but are very good. I highly recommend you pick up a map from one of the local bike shops upon arrival and plot out your rides.The trail system is pretty amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stenou View Post
    Also, across the freeway is the Glenwild trail system (which you can ride to from town) and also in town is the Round Valley trail system.
    Both of these areas get very hot during the day with more sun exposure, so ride early a.m. if you do these.

    When you get to town, stop at any shop, Jans, Cole Sport, White Pine, etc. and pick up a trail map for $5, its worth every penny. The online version is here: Mountain Trails Foundation - Map

    For moderate DH, Deer Valley is better. The Canyons has more of a "park" with stunts and man-made obstacles, but also options for all skill levels. Deer Valley is perfect for an XC rider looking to do as little climbing as possible.

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    IMO you should not make a dh-specific trip to PC. PC is XC heaven but the lift served stuff is still a work in progress. Be ready to pedal up and you will have a blast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    IMO you should not make a dh-specific trip to PC.
    We called the rental shop for deer valley and they kind of suggested the same thing. Said that 95% of people rent the all-mountain bikes because of the pedaling involved. I think we are adjusting our expectations to be more of an enduro trip.

    Thanks for all the suggestions. Keep 'em coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevlar3D View Post
    I have been doing some research about Park City as a friend and I intend to go there on the 19th-21st of July. I have heard the downhill is epic and we felt compelled to go for a summer road trip.

    I will be renting bikes and it seems like there are two major resorts.
    Ski Bike Hike Park City Utah at Deer Valley Resort
    Summer Home | Canyons

    Having never been there, I don't know which is better. I won't be able to bring my bike so rental is important. Canyons resort rents GT Fury and Deer Valley rents Giant Glory 2.

    Anyone have any thoughts on which is better. I should also state that I haven't ridden downhill in a few years. I should probably go for the one with more moderate terrain as I will probably be skipping the 8 foot drop offs this time around.

    I am also very interested in any info about restaurants, microbreweries and other summer nightlife in the town. I did a search for a similar thread but I wasn't able to find much info about Park City.
    I think you have been misinformed. The dh is not epic. Canyons has high quality runs with tiny vert. Their 4 runs stacked end to end do not make 1 full run. Deer Valley has 3 runs that can be considered dh by old school standards. The rest is poorly designed and lacks quality. If you want to ride, go to Colorado. Park city is poor for gravity

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    IMO you should not make a dh-specific trip to PC. PC is XC heaven but the lift served stuff is still a work in progress. Be ready to pedal up and you will have a blast.
    PC is Xc heaven for intermediate riders. PC gets a significant downgrade for anyone who knows how to handle a bike.
    Call it decent. High in quantity and average in quality

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    Well this trip is already locked in but what is a good recommendation for next year's DH trip?

    CA - Mammoth
    CO - Keystone, Trestle, Winter Park, Snowmass

    Or should we just go to Whistler, BC?

    EDIT - Suppose I should add Angel Fire in Northern NM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YRG View Post
    PC is Xc heaven for intermediate riders. PC gets a significant downgrade for anyone who knows how to handle a bike.
    Call it decent. High in quantity and average in quality
    Sounds perfect for me and the wife.

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    That depends

    If you just stay on the high traffic stuff that is true, but there is a lot of very difficult riding available if you are willing to explore a bit. Park city has many trails away from the resorts that will challenge you. And it's not like even the popular trails are bridle paths or anything. Plus, you can always try to go faster if the trail isn't challenging enough, eh?

    For a dedicated dh trip Whistler is the obvious choice, if that's too far CO is you next best bet.

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    Call it decent. High in quantity and average in quality
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    Given your stated level of ability, Deer Valley sounds like a good fit for you and your wife for lift served downhill runs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevlar3D View Post
    We called the rental shop for deer valley and they kind of suggested the same thing. Said that 95% of people rent the all-mountain bikes because of the pedaling involved. I think we are adjusting our expectations to be more of an enduro trip.

    Thanks for all the suggestions. Keep 'em coming.
    I think most of the people on rental bikes rent 'em because they don't want to ride "DH" stuff. At least, that seems to be what I see at resorts.

    Yeah, it isn't world class, but don't worry, you'll have a good time, especially for a couple of days. All those poo-poohing the lack of gnarly DH at local resorts are being a little over critical, I think. The scenery is great, the riding is fun, and you don't have to pedal up! There are a couple runs at DV that will challenge most any level of rider, the jump lines at Canyons are fun (particularly for someone not expert in jump lines), and the features sprinkled in keep it interesting. Heck, even Sundance has enough to keep one entertained for an afternoon -- it is cheap, really beautiful, there are lots of fun trails requiring minimal pedaling, and the "DH" run's middle section is legit enough to keep anyone entertained. My brothers are in town this week to hang out and ride. Their stomping grounds are Whistler, Northstar, Blackrock, Angelfire, and the like. They have a blast here, and so will you. Have a great trip!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tystevens View Post
    I think most of the people on rental bikes rent 'em because they don't want to ride "DH" stuff. At least, that seems to be what I see at resorts.
    Thanks Ty.

    With regard to DV, do you think we would be more frustrated with the gearing & weight of the DH bike or frustrated with the lack of travel on the all mountain bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevlar3D View Post
    Thanks Ty.

    With regard to DV, do you think we would be more frustrated with the gearing & weight of the DH bike or frustrated with the lack of travel on the all mountain bike?

    Giant Glory 2 (DH) & Trance X 29er (All-Mtn)
    Tough one ... I'm more of a "its the rider, not the bike" kinda guy for the most part. Meaning, I'll pretty much ride whatever I'm on wherever I feel like riding it. FWIW, I haven't had it there yet, but I plan to ride my Enduro at DV when we go (although it is pretty solid going downhill).

    That said, if I were renting, I'd go with the Glory, just because we spend 90% of our time on the black and double blacks and the freeride features. If you want to be a little more pedaly, go with the 29'er, venture down one of the blacks after you get a few runs under your belt, and see how it goes. I would be surprised if they wouldn't let you change bikes in the rental shop if you made the wrong choice (although I don't know for sure, might want to ask them that when you rent).
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    Dv will not do anything to the suspension when renting a bike. Go to Jans. They will take better care of you

    26 will be more fun at dv than 29

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    Quote Originally Posted by YRG View Post
    PC is Xc heaven for intermediate riders. PC gets a significant downgrade for anyone who knows how to handle a bike.
    Call it decent. High in quantity and average in quality
    So what would you recommend for an out-of-towner that CAN handle a bike that will be visiting for first time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandman012 View Post
    So what would you recommend for an out-of-towner that CAN handle a bike that will be visiting for first time?
    I have no idea how YRG rates his/her trails but PC is epic and definitley deserves it's handle as a premier riding destination. As Tystevens suggested, see if you can swap around your rental bikes and try a bit of everything. You won't get bored and remember, your trip is what you make it.
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    Good stuff

    Highlights in the area are:
    Arcylon - fast flowy n fun with features (arguably pc's best)

    Canyons - if you don't mind the fact that they only have 400 feet of vertical (but the 400 is pretty damn good)

    Bob's Basin - especially the newly redone drop out (I give it PC's best flow) Hit the School yard pump track while you are there

    Empire - get directions (I like to start at Jupiter peak)
    Rasberry - get directions (some high consequence stuff in there)
    Deer Valley - you get lots of vertical but its all old school

    Descend pine cone (its like a down hill pump track)
    IF You have lights - Take Pine Cone to Armstrong (armstrong is uphill only but has some of the best flow in PC. be polite and only go at night)

    Trailside is fun (will be more fun when finished) Pump track is not quite there yet, but it's fun

    Wasatch Crest Really fun, especially if you can get someone else to clear the people off the trail ahead of you. I had one of my best runs following a couple friends. They are big, fast and when I saw people they were about 15-20 feet off the trail looking nervous.

    Moose trail (off the map version)

    Moose house is pretty fun

    Payroll (in DV) Really short but high quality - but bottom has not seen the hand work it deserves.

    New pump track where miss billies used to be (very nicely done). Lot's of fun.

    My pump track is pretty epic. Definitely the fastest in pc and we aren't even done yet. (you dig-you ride)

    Silentfoe is entitled to rave, but if you have ridden quality trails with thoughtful design, you will know PC is way behind the curve. Part of our problem is we have a huge population of intermediate riders that think it's the bomb. If we teach our people to ride, they will wake up and ask for more.

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    Dude, seriously? Your pals were running people off of the trail on the Crest? Or were you joking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Dude, seriously? Your pals were running people off of the trail on the Crest? Or were you joking?

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    Haven't you noticed how people tend to jump quickly off the trail when they see bikes? How many of your riding buddies stop and let people on foot have the right of way after the hikers have already yielded the trail? They are only doing what most people now do. They just do it better. When I ride, I stop for foot traffic even when they stop for me.
    When I am on foot, usually at least one rider bumps into me because riders expect people on foot to get out of the way. Last time it happened, I got scolded for not getting out of the way.
    I imagine the guys thundering down the trail causes people to move far off the trail just from the noise. So I don't think they were running people off the crest, just moving them off better than I've seen anyone else. Bikes "running" people off the trail is more normal than bikes obeying the trail courtesy. I don't get why you find this surprising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YRG View Post
    Bikes "running" people off the trail is more normal than bikes obeying the trail courtesy. I don't get why you find this surprising.
    I don't get why you find this acceptable.
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    Actually, I usually do stop even if the person on foot is stopped, because I want to make really, really sure that my kids and I will be able to ride these trails in 10 or 20 years. If I want to get my shred on, I ride super early or at night or on trails that most people won't put the effort in to get to.

    I've lived in places where mountain bikers got themselves banned from pretty much everywhere and the process starts with lots of mountain bikers behaving like jerks. EVERYONE hikes at least occasionally, so once the trails get crowded enough (looked at the population growth numbers for the Wasatch lately?) people get sick of dealing with "guys thundering down the trail" and the bikes go away forever.

    It can happen here, and I think we'd all prefer that it not. Tell your friends to be courteous, or go ride one-way trails or stuff in the boondocks where you won't see anyone. Scared hikers is a recipe for bike bans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    or go ride one-way trails
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    I am hoping the folks in PC start opening up more options like this. We've got some nice "uphill only" options, but very few "downhill only" options in PC. I would say that in it's current configuration, PC is just a recipe for user conflicts (bikers v. bikers, bikers v. hikers, horses, etc.). For every uphill only trail, perhaps there should be a dedicated downhill trail? Or for ever hiker only trail there is a bike only trail?

    A "proper" bike park would alleviate a lot of user conflicts, but I'm not holding my breath.

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    I am hoping Canyons sees what's happening at the CO resorts (ie, bikes on the chairlift = profit) and really builds out the mountain. It's cheap enough that it can pretty quickly pay for itself but someone in the whole Talisker corporate hierarchy would have to get behind it - and realistically they mostly care about selling condos. That would be a great supply of fun DH-only trails that would be accessible by chairlift OR via MidMountain if people want to earn their turns.

    Making some XC trails directional might also help (ie Flying Dog). Swap the direction every week or two to keep things interesting. Hikers and bikers both know where to look for other users and can minimize their surprise/risk factors.

    As it stands, I agree, PC is on track for some kind of user conflict disaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Actually, I usually do stop even if the person on foot is stopped, because I want to make really, really sure that my kids and I will be able to ride these trails in 10 or 20 years. If I want to get my shred on, I ride super early or at night or on trails that most people won't put the effort in to get to.

    I've lived in places where mountain bikers got themselves banned from pretty much everywhere and the process starts with lots of mountain bikers behaving like jerks. EVERYONE hikes at least occasionally, so once the trails get crowded enough (looked at the population growth numbers for the Wasatch lately?) people get sick of dealing with "guys thundering down the trail" and the bikes go away forever.

    It can happen here, and I think we'd all prefer that it not. Tell your friends to be courteous, or go ride one-way trails or stuff in the boondocks where you won't see anyone. Scared hikers is a recipe for bike bans.

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    I will also add that it's worth remembering that when you write about your buddies thundering down the mountain and scaring people, those words are here on teh interwebz FOREVER and they can and will be dredged up and used to beat mountain bikers with at some community meeting 5 or 10 years from now. I have seen this happen and it ain't pretty. When land managers and community activists (I speak from 10+ years of trail advocacy experience) do their homework on mountain bike issues, MTBR is one of the first places they look.

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    phire, not sure what you are trying to say? Now that Walt said he stops for hikers that have already moved off the trail already, now I know three and I'm one of them. That said, when I see someone bombing a trail, I am totally gonna jump in behind and ride the wake. It is safer back there. If someone gets hurt, it probably won't be me. But the nature of PC trails include regular close calls and the occasional collisions. That is how it is now.
    Asking people to ride below their ability level is a fools errand (the people who put up the signs ride faster than they "should"). Implementing a smarter, safer, and more fun master trail plan is what has to happen.
    I am a big proponent of riding trails to their potential.
    Walt, I agree with you that the Wasatch is an area where bikes could be restricted heavily restricted. Mostly because they already are.

    But in Park City, it will never happen. The bikers are the primary user group.
    My own experience is testament to that. Usually when a rider bumps into me (on foot) because I didn't move out of their way, they are pissed. Bikes own the trails and they tolerate other users.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YRG View Post
    phire, not sure what you are trying to say?
    I'm not sure what was unclear. Forcing users off the trail that have the right of way, regardless of how legitimate you think that right of way is, is unacceptable. This is what gets trails closed to bikes. We already live in one of the most hiker-tolerant MTB communities in the world. Cherish what we have rather than poison the water. You're not just s***ing where YOU eat, you're s***ing where WE ALL eat.
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    I'm still baffled at the fact that this isn't considered a "premier" destination?

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    Quote Originally Posted by YRG View Post
    But in Park City, it will never happen. The bikers are the primary user group.
    My own experience is testament to that. Usually when a rider bumps into me (on foot) because I didn't move out of their way, they are pissed. Bikes own the trails and they tolerate other users.
    I don't understand how you can be so blase about this. Bikes do NOT "own" the trails and the big reason there haven't already been problems is that PC has a lot of trails and until recently not a ton of use. That is changing rapidly (I see hikers on pretty much EVERY ride I do on any of the main PC trails every time I ride) and while a better master plan for trail access/one ways/new advanced trails is important, your comments about how to treat other trail users are bizarre, especially given that you seem to claim that you actually are very conscientious about yielding in one breath, while gleefully talking about hikers cowering 20 feet off the trail (a popular, crowded one, no less) in the next.

    If my buddies ran people off the trail in front of them, I'd rip them new ones, not "ride the wake". It doesn't take many angry old granny birdwatchers, or concerned parents whose hike was ruined (think of the children!) to make things very bad for mountain bikes. UT hasn't seen the access wars that lots of other places have had on these issues because of a low outdoor/active population and lots of space. That is changing fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phirebug View Post
    I'm not sure what was unclear. Forcing users off the trail that have the right of way, regardless of how legitimate you think that right of way is, is unacceptable. This is what gets trails closed to bikes. We already live in one of the most hiker-tolerant MTB communities in the world. Cherish what we have rather than poison the water. You're not just s***ing where YOU eat, you're s***ing where WE ALL eat.
    I stop for hikers. I stop for hikers that have stopped for me. I am not sure how that poisons anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Live2rideUtah View Post
    I'm still baffled at the fact that this isn't considered a "premier" destination?
    I think most people would consider it a premier destination. Some elite riders would no doubt be disappointed, but I think that would be the exception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YRG View Post
    I stop for hikers. I stop for hikers that have stopped for me. I am not sure how that poisons anything.
    obviously, if you did that all the time, nobody would have a problem. The problem is when you pull crap like this:
    "Wasatch Crest Really fun, especially if you can get someone else to clear the people off the trail ahead of you. I had one of my best runs following a couple friends. They are big, fast and when I saw people they were about 15-20 feet off the trail looking nervous."

    How can you still need this spelled out?
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    We have to remember that this is all okay as long as you yell STRAAAAAVVVVVAAAAA! As your recklessly bombing the trail....... Just not a good idea to bomb or trail clear, as it is just not worth the risk of hurting someone and boils down to one thing = courtesy for those around. No ride is worth hurting someone over trying to lay it out on the trail.

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    Everyone has the right of way over mountain bikers. Hikers usually give way to me, but I approach them very slowly and am very appreciative when they do. It's just the right thing to do, like giving way to uphill riders when I'm going downhill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phirebug View Post
    How can you still need this spelled out?
    Cause I'm not sure if it pisses you off because I had fun riding, or I was talking about it being fun, or cause I described what other people do on the trail.
    Trails are way fun when they are clear. It's like certain times in the spring or fall when you know you can just go for it and everything clicks. Then there are the times when you have to be a little on edge and the feeling isn't the same. Bomb the runs when you can and do the best you can when you can't. You guys are getting bent about a bike ride. Ride your bike how you want and have a good time. I'll do the same. Make sure and put in you dig time cause it will offset the stupid stuff we say on the internet.
    Live to ride - love the strava call. Guess it does have a purpose.
    Truth be told, you walk out the door and risk is there. We all manage it, some better than others. Luck seems to play a part. For my part, I will gladly ride second when the occasion arrises. Not really a big deal cause it doesn't happen often (handful of times in 20 years).

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    All I know is that I need to get out and ride!!! This afternoon rain shower shit is killing me, Head up to Snowbasin and you won't see any hikers on the south end of the mountain and can ride it like you stole it!!

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    I think we are at the start of - at least a short - dry spell. One thing for sure, the rains have made the trails beautiful!

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    I lived in PC for 10 years, worked at White Pine for a long time...re-located to Georgia about 3.5 years ago. Lots of interesting stuff in this thread, hope the OP had a great trip. I've ridden all over the country and PC still kills it.

    I will say that most of the trails I ride here in Atlanta are directional and it is awesome. Also, the trails are built exclusively (well, at least my local trail) for riders and is announced in big bold words at the trailhead for the people on foot. With that being said, I'm always courteous to people on foot because I'm not "douchey." The directional trail thing is amazing because you can ride wide open without fear of getting killed like I always felt when riding trails like Flying Dog or Lost Prospector or Spiro (before Armstrong was built). I've had this conversation with C. Sturgis before he took his position at MT and he always seemed to be against the idea but from what I can tell lately is that there has been some conversation about creating directional trails in PC? I understand people will always b*tch about something (especially in PC).

    Anyways, still my go to place to ride and I'll be there next month for the P2P.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSU Alum View Post
    Everyone has the right of way over mountain bikers. Hikers usually give way to me, but I approach them very slowly and am very appreciative when they do. It's just the right thing to do, like giving way to uphill riders when I'm going downhill.
    Thank you, MSU. That pretty much sums up my interactions with hikers on trails as well. Just because your friends clear the path, doesn't mean you can go blasting by at warp speed. Slow down. People have kids, dogs, etc.

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