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    @ Mostly Broken:I just came back from Moab today Do EZ/Lazy and North 40 at the Bar M trailhead, which is very well marked right off the main highway north of town. EZ/Lazy is a big loop, fast with very little tech stuff, North 40 is a 4 mile loop. If she feels up to something harder the next day try Mag 7, Get dropped off near Gemini Bridges (start of Bull run). You may want to have a shuttle pick you up at the end of Little Canyon cause otherwise the two-trackroad back to Highway 191 is uphill and pretty sandy

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    @ Donkey Kong..Bring atleast 100 oz of water for The Whole Enchilada..You can ride it from Burro thru Porcupine Rim and onto single track which goes beside the river..If youre scared of heights at all dont do these trails, much of the time they ride less than 10 feet from cliffs..If you get a shuttle to meet you at "negro bills" parking area your ride will be about 26 miles,,I found that due to elevation it takes about twice as long as I usually take to ride the same distance. PS- Bring lots of spare tubes, I saw one guy get 5 flats and he ran out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpranger467 View Post
    Do EZ/Lazy and North 40 at the Bar M trailhead, which is very well marked right off the main highway north of town. EZ/Lazy is a big loop, fast with very little tech stuff, North 40 is a 4 mile loop.
    Ez/Lazy loop is 3 miles and like ranger said, is not ver technical at all. I wouldn't recommend North 40 for a novice personally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donkeykong0 View Post
    If I show up next weekend on Saturday afternoon, will most of the good camp sites be gone? Thinking Sand Flats...but never been.

    Also, if I get a shuttle to do the Whole Enchilada, is riding back to SF gonna be really tough after the 25 mile beatdown? What's the best way to get back? Would camping on the river be a better option or will it be colder with less sun down that way?



    I would look to stay along the river. The Whole Enchilada ends with Porcupine Rim which leads past the river camping. You will want to just drop at this point! Sand Flats after this would be tough! Plus camping along river is nicer/quieter/less dusty etc. $8 you can't go wrong!

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    thanks everyone for the help on planning a trip, would poison spider have maps or can I download and print something myself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mostly Broken View Post
    thanks everyone for the help on planning a trip, would poison spider have maps or can I download and print something myself?


    They have free maps for Slickrock and Whole Enchilada. I would also recommend dropping in Uranium Bike Shop and picking up the 4th edition Mountain Bike Guide to Moab. It is on sale for $8 and is a great reference in addition to the free maps from Poison Spider. Trails are extremely well marked though with the exception of a few broken signs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mostly Broken View Post
    thanks everyone for the help on planning a trip, would poison spider have maps or can I download and print something myself?
    Check out Utah Mountain Biking - Trails, Information, Repairs for maps and gpx files
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    Quote Originally Posted by lpranger467 View Post
    @ Donkey Kong..Bring atleast 100 oz of water for The Whole Enchilada..You can ride it from Burro thru Porcupine Rim and onto single track which goes beside the river..If youre scared of heights at all dont do these trails, much of the time they ride less than 10 feet from cliffs..If you get a shuttle to meet you at "negro bills" parking area your ride will be about 26 miles,,I found that due to elevation it takes about twice as long as I usually take to ride the same distance. PS- Bring lots of spare tubes, I saw one guy get 5 flats and he ran out.
    Quote Originally Posted by rbbs View Post
    I would look to stay along the river. The Whole Enchilada ends with Porcupine Rim which leads past the river camping. You will want to just drop at this point! Sand Flats after this would be tough! Plus camping along river is nicer/quieter/less dusty etc. $8 you can't go wrong!
    Thanks! Guy from bike shop said there could be some winter weather moving in...hopefully TWE is still rideable.

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    Any updates on Burro Pass? Is it still good to go? Hopefully this storm that's rolling in tomorrow doesn't get too nasty. My current plan is TWE on Saturday.

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    I can see the peaks from where I am sitting. High clouds, no snow so far.

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    I'm guessing there's no way Burro Pass will be rideable by Saturday with the storm coming. We have a shuttle planned with Poison Spider, but I think we'll be lucky if we get up to UPS/LPS.

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    Moabman, We are also planning on riding TWE tomorrow. Keep us posted
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    Light dusting of snow on the La Sals this morning.
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    saw some snow up there about dawn, but cant see that high now, can barely see the rim. Been raining since before dawn. heavy at first, moderately at the moment.
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    So tomorrow we are looking at Hero Dirt...or a mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GageGillings View Post
    So tomorrow we are looking at Hero Dirt...or a mess.
    I've experienced nothing but hero dirt 24hours after rain here. You'll be fine. Bi-polar weather - monsoon like. La Sals are socked in. Snow wouldn't surprise me. The good news is it's rather mild down in Moab right now.

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    Could i get an update on conditions after the storm passes through. I'm looking to come out for a few days at the end of next week, driving from cali so i want to make sure conditions are good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mt. Tam Haze View Post
    Could i get an update on conditions after the storm passes through. I'm looking to come out for a few days at the end of next week, driving from cali so i want to make sure conditions are good.
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    Still foggy up there. Worst case, you won't be able to ride Burro. Everything else is Primo.

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    well I talked with my wife about the trails that were suggested and she just chimed in "how about slick rock" I didn't argue so we are doing it tomorrow. the rain was crazy today but we drove through the park and saw tons of water falls all over. my ten year old is coming along for the ride tomorrow as well but we are only doing the slick rock practice loop, we shall see how they feel after that for another ride somewhere else but my wife is pushing to hit goblin valley on the way home so may be a crunch for time.

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    It rained off and on today, the lower trails were in good shape. I'll find out tomorrow morning how the upper stuff is. The shuttle driver wasn't sure yet on conditions above LPS.

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    Slickrock

    I didnt do the practice loop at slickrock (did the 12 mile portion) but from what I understand its no easier (skills needed) than the rest of the trail. That being said,,it is very steep in some places, I personally feel like a 26 felt better than a 29 at SL,,and rent from a place that has a dropper post, you'll love it though,,

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    Great Moab Trip. Ended up riding the Entire Whole Enchilada. The car couldn't make it all the way up to Geyser Pass so we pedaled up the road and rode/hiked/carried our bikes to the Top of Burro in 4-6 inches of snow. Burro was covered in snow at the top and Hero dirt down farther. Only place we had to walk was on parts of Kokopelli. It was a fantastic adventure ride. Ended up riding about 35 miles. Snow and 30 degrees on top, sun and 70 at the bottom.

    A few Pics are on our facebook page below.
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    I'll be in Moab with la-prego-wife and inlaws next weekend Friday-Sunday. I'd love to tag along on some people's rides and won't slow you down. PM me or email DanOrion at yaho dot com.

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    We ended up riding laz ez instead of the slick rock practice loop. my 10 yr old had fun and wants a bike now. Looking for a kids 24 inch. to have my kid like mountain biking made the trip even better. now to find a decent deal on a bike for him!

    thanks for the help everyone. looking forward to going again

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    Will be in Moab 10/19-10/25. Looking to join in on some afternoon rides. Any good ideas on how to connect with riders ??

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    Hi guys,

    Do you think spending 5 days at Moab for thanksgiving is a good idea ?
    Is there snow up there by this time of year ?

    I'm desperately looking for a good ride location

    Thanks

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    At this point any sort of weather will likely cover Burro untill Spring. Quite possible more. Aside from that, it would be pretty unlikely to be skunked around that time of year.
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    what's the word on Burro Pass now? muddy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by afraid View Post
    what's the word on Burro Pass now? muddy?
    More like frozen. Clear and rideable but ice on some of the corners near the top.

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    More like frozen. Clear and rideable but ice on some of the corners near the top.
    Guy at Poison Spider I just talked to was no bueno on burro... but I like a bit of adventure. Couldn't get more details but he was pretty adamant that LPS was "as high as you can ride" right now.

    anyone have any first hand confirmation/ride reports of burro/hazard?

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    When I wrote that, Burro was indeed open. System has since passed through. LPS is indeed as high as you can go. Warming trend is coming our way. That being siad, if we see Hazard again this year, i'll be surprised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jwind View Post
    When I wrote that, Burro was indeed open. System has since passed through. LPS is indeed as high as you can go. Warming trend is coming our way. That being siad, if we see Hazard again this year, i'll be surprised.
    I hiked up to Burro Pass on Saturday- snowy, but looked ok. I looped the entire enchilada on Sunday:

    Geyser Pass Rd: Snow packed starting around 9,000' - good riding. not too sloppy but that could change if the warm weather continues

    Burro Pass Trail: 90% snow- deep just over the pass. 70% rideable. Snow-bound adventure-fest

    Hazard: Some snow- but mostly snow-free- nothing deep, tacky dirt- no mud, will only get better till next storm

    Once you hit the end of Hazard there's no more snow anywhere.

    Get it while you can

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    Any current updates on UPS status? Hoping you guys dodged the recent snow storm. I was thinking about riding up Kokopelli and hopefully getting in UPS/LPS PR.

    Thanks for the help

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foote30 View Post
    Any current updates on UPS status? Hoping you guys dodged the recent snow storm. I was thinking about riding up Kokopelli and hopefully getting in UPS/LPS PR.

    Thanks for the help
    Nope. Porcupine proper had snow this last weekend. LPS if you are lucky.

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    Bummer. You guys must have had more snow than we got in Colorado. Looks like I will have to find something lower in the valleys to ride, maybe check out that new 7up to Mag 7 loop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foote30 View Post
    Bummer. You guys must have had more snow than we got in Colorado. Looks like I will have to find something lower in the valleys to ride, maybe check out that new 7up to Mag 7 loop.
    Haven't been up to the LaSals but it does indeed look like they got a decent dumping this past weekend.

    I have not ridden 7up yet. Evidently most of it is double track. Getaway, however, is all singletrack, creates a great loop with arths, getaway and bull run and has been getting rave reviews... Have fun.

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    I haven't ridden 7up either. Just learned of it. Write up on UMB.com looks good, plus anyway to avoid the shuttle up 313 will be awesome and should shape up to be a great loop ride.

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    what trails are going to be rideable for this weekend? has most the snow melted?

    looking at possibly doing a couple different rides:

    1.fisher mesa and 2.top of the world, I know fisher mesa is higher elevation so maybe a no go?

    are the classics clear like soverign, slickrock and amassa back?

    thanks!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmar123 View Post
    what trails are going to be rideable for this weekend? has most the snow melted?

    looking at possibly doing a couple different rides:

    1.fisher mesa and 2.top of the world, I know fisher mesa is higher elevation so maybe a no go?

    are the classics clear like soverign, slickrock and amassa back?

    thanks!!

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    Anything in the La Sals is unrideable. Everything else is ridable. Fisher mesa trail head is at like 8500 feet. I'm sure there is at least some snow, if not unridable at higher elvevations.

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    awesome thanks!

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    Rode 7UP and Mag 7 yesterday, no snow at all and the trails were good to go.

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    Porcupine Rim on Sunday-- awesome and tacky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by honkinunit View Post
    If you are hotelling it, and you plan on actually being there across Thanksgiving, you might want to make reservations, as half of Denver now shows up for one last ride before breaking out the skis.
    LMFAO

    Dude that's me, old lady and I are here for the weekend from the Denver area!

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    I'm going with a class from school to Moab for spring break. Am i crazy to take my SS rigid niner? What am I in for as far as terrain, and what would be more important, suspension or gears?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigstevo View Post
    I'm going with a class from school to Moab for spring break. Am i crazy to take my SS rigid niner? What am I in for as far as terrain, and what would be more important, suspension or gears?
    I think it all depends on where you're going to be riding, and how much riding you'll be doing. I think you'd be just fine on the SS Rigid Niner at the places I rode over Turkey day with my GF. Which were the Dead horse State park and the Bar-M/Moab Brands Trails. Both of those places had very little climbing and would be fine a SS. That's the cool thing about Moab, is there's so many trails that you can find terrain to suit every bike and rider.

    If you're going to do The Slick Rock Trail or some technical trails, rent a bike for the day. My GF rented a SantaCruz Superlight 29'r from Moab Cyclery and I believe it was ~$50/day.

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    Well I ride a SS niner hardtail, although I do have a REBA up front. I have ridden pretty much every trail I am familiar with in Moab on my bike since it is the only bike I ride and I have always been happy. Truthfully on longer rides all of those slabby rock sections that Moab is so famous for can get a little abusive but heck thats half the fun of riding a rigid right? As far as climbing and such that really depends on what you define is a lot of climbing. Most Moab trails tend to have some climbing although not an insane amount in my opinion at least.

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    Thanks for the help. I don't mind climbing, or walking that is. If we plan on doing some crazy slick rock sections I'll probably go with the rental idea. Prices seem fair for decent equipment. I guess it just comes down to trail selection once I get down there. Good to hear at least one other lunatic has ridden a ss in Moab, gives me a better feeling about it.

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    People ride them all the time. That being said, I used to ride a whole lot more before I moved here. I totally miss it. There is all sorts of climbing around here to be had, however a lot of the desert stuff is say 1K - 1.5K of climbing on a ~10mile ride with the ex exception of Bar M and Intrepid. I have a 100mm fork on my SS and after a day of riding it, I can't wait to get back on the squish.

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    26 FS for Slickrock

    If you havent been there before you will find that Slick Rock feels steeper that what the pics show. So just my opinion, but I rode a 29 on slickrock and felt I was way to high (center of gravity), I swapped to my friends 26 fs and felt much better, I was able to hit more of the steep rides with confidence.

    I did do Whole Enchilada on a 26 and loved it for the first mile or so (steep switchbacks), Then I wanted a 29 as it got rocky and bumpy. Again in my opinion I would do a FS for everything but the Bar M trails which are mainly flat. Again my opinion, If you do WH on a HT it will rattle the crap out of you and you will be exhausted halfway thru.

    My favorite trail there was Mag 7, you could build up some good speed and the trail had nice flow. There is a cut-off ride out part that was a leg burner but I would hit Mag 7 before any other trail.

    Remember bring lots of tubes (and repair kits) many of these trails have no help anywhere close and a broken bike could mean a 15 mile walk
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    Hello all, been thinking of going to Moab the second week of Feb for some riding. I've been there for Easter Jeep Safari with my Jeep in April, however have not been there in Feb.

    How's the weather for riding? Too cold? I don't like below 35 or so for l day riding. Thanks!

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    Does anyone know how much of the Whole Enchilada is snowed in? Ill be out there next week(March 18-22) I want to try to ride at least UPS, LPS and Porcupine. Also, any snow on Amasa Back?

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    Amasa back is good to go, lower Captain Ahab is sick, check it out. The whole enchilada is not even close. The only option that may be viable with the warm temps coming up would be porcupine rim proper, but I haven't checked it out myself or heard anything about current conditions. Anyone?
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    Maybe porcupine. Maybe.

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    An update on current snow conditions or lack thereof? Jwind?

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    My wife, son and I are from VT and have just lined up a trip out west for next month so we are looking for some advice on what to so while there. I did a boys trip about 10 years back which was all about hard MTB riding, but this will be different with my wife and son being less experienced riders but pretty active hikers. We have 4 nights lined in Moab so are hoping to make a day trip to Canyon Lands and possibly Capital Reef (I am actually leaning away from this since it looks like a long drive and there is more to see closer to Moab than we will be able to take in anyways). We have a week to work with and will be flying in/out of Denver so suggestions on a route and things to possibly do on the way there and back will be appreciated - I am guessing the high elevations will be pretty well snow / mudded out that time of year but it is a long distance with a lot of different terrain. Thanks in advance for any advice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajavt View Post
    My wife, son and I are from VT and have just lined up a trip out west for next month so we are looking for some advice on what to so while there. I did a boys trip about 10 years back which was all about hard MTB riding, but this will be different with my wife and son being less experienced riders but pretty active hikers. We have 4 nights lined in Moab so are hoping to make a day trip to Canyon Lands and possibly Capital Reef (I am actually leaning away from this since it looks like a long drive and there is more to see closer to Moab than we will be able to take in anyways). We have a week to work with and will be flying in/out of Denver so suggestions on a route and things to possibly do on the way there and back will be appreciated - I am guessing the high elevations will be pretty well snow / mudded out that time of year but it is a long distance with a lot of different terrain. Thanks in advance for any advice!
    Well, you are going to burn most of two days driving between Denver and Moab, so that leaves five days for fun.

    Assuming you are driving Denver->Moab during daylight hours, there is a great hike to Hanging Lake in Glenwood Canyon right on the way. You can follow that with a trip to the Glenwood Hot Springs pool, which is awesome. There are also some really cool caves (commercial) right in Glenwood Springs. Glenwood Springs is almost exactly half way between Denver and Moab.

    The Colorado National Monument just outside Grand Junction is a cool place to hike. Also, the Grand Mesa just east of GJ, but that is a huge area that takes a lot of driving. You can also hit the MTB trails in Fruita.

    It all depends on what time you get in to Denver. Assuming you are flying, and renting a car, the Denver Airport is a bit of a cluster, and is way NE of the city. Allow 1.5 hours between your landing time and the time you finally hit the highway. It takes 30 minutes to get your bags, then another 30 to get the bus to the rental car agency. Another 30 to get the car, load it and get your bearings, and now you are 4 hours from Glenwood and another 3 from Moab. I would personally set up the first night in Glenwood and go on to Moab the next day.

    Also realize that if you plan on returning to Denver on a Sunday, the traffic is generally jacked up on I-70 through the mountains from about 2 PM - 8 PM on Sunday afternoons, and from 4-6PM through Denver on any weekday. Don't try to squeeze your return trip, allow plenty of time. The airport is 20 minutes NE of Denver, and returning a rental can be a cluster during busy periods.

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    Airport options to Moab Moab Utah Airport, Flights & Airlines - AllTrips Salt Lake City is closer and easier than Denver for getting to Moab. Grand Junction even better. Several carriers fly into GJ.

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    Airport options to Moab Moab Utah Airport, Flights & Airlines - AllTrips Salt Lake City is closer and easier than Denver for getting to Moab. Grand Junction even better. Several carriers fly into GJ.
    definitely do not fly into Denver if you can help it. SLC is WAY better. half the drive time and none of the traffic. GJ is best but probably more expensive

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    Thanks for the replies and I don't want to turn this into a discussion about airlines and logistics but the whole reason this trip is even happening is because we will be in Denver on one of the weekends so that is finished. Under different circumstances I agree that I would try to travel differently but this time this is how it will be happening.
    Thanks again for the advice and please keep the ideas coming!

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    Just my 2 cents from the time I spent there last year at Outerbike. If your family is not very experienced I would do the "Brand Trails" on day 1, these are just north of town and are out-back type trails (no shuttle). It will allow for some small downhill experiences without exhausting you on the first day. Day 2 I would then do "Mag 7" which will require you to be dropped off by a shuttle service, but they are cheap and plentiful. Mag 7 is a blast as that it is mainly downhill with jumps that can be taken/or avoided if you wish. The only bad part of Mag 7 is the ride back out to the highway which is on a somewhat sandy 2 track (you could arrange for a shuttle just past "Gemini Bridges" if you want to avoid ride out, I heard there is a local guy who will "taxi" you out).

    Day 3 I would do Slickrock, if nothing else for bragging rights. I did it on a 29'r and found my center of gravity too high and was unsteady on some steeper downhill runs, next time I would do it on a short travel 26 (again my 2 cents).

    Day 4 depending on how your legs feel you could do "The whole enchilada" (if you have energy) or do something like sovereign. I will say if you do Whole Enchilada bring lots of water, several tubes and a repair kits. A break down or group seperation can be deadly as that no help is nearby (sorry dont mean to be dramatic but people have died on this one due to exposure)

    I have put a link below that has all the Moab area trails on it. Enjoy

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    Given the stated experience level of your family, I think you can skip The Whole Enchilada, or just about any section that makes up that ride! Jackson and Portal would be two more "must not do's".

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    Going to be doing some camping in Sand Flats starting next Wednesday for the weekend. Weather is looking iffy with the cold front and Wednesday is supposed to be chilly with the rest of the days in mid 60's. Think it will be too chilly at night for those tent camping it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bfisher88 View Post
    Going to be doing some camping in Sand Flats starting next Wednesday for the weekend. Weather is looking iffy with the cold front and Wednesday is supposed to be chilly with the rest of the days in mid 60's. Think it will be too chilly at night for those tent camping it?
    If it's mid 60s it will probably be in the 30s at night, pretty chilly, but totally fine with the right stuff. As long as you have a decent 0-20 degree sleeping bag and wear a decent base layer/socks you'll be comfy.

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    Thanks, may be a little chilly for the others in a tent. Looks like all the other bikers in my group bailed out on this one. Are there a lot of group rides being put together on Porcupine? I'll likely hit Slickrock by myself but Porcupine having never done it before may not be the greatest idea. Looking to ride it this coming Saturday.

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    Captain Ahab is one not to miss. Very fun. If you ride at a good pace, combined with Rockstedder and out Jackson (if the creek is low). Check Moab lbs...

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    I'm looking for some more family (i.e. easier) trails for Moab this coming weekend. We were down in Moab two weeks ago for a couple of days, but this time we are there for four days, and I would like to ride four different areas if possible. We rode the Agate and Jasper loops last time, and had a good time, along with the Lazy, EZ and Rusty Spur (did those twice).

    So how about Borderline, Cross Canyon and Snippet off of Willow Springs Rd north of town?

    How much of a step up is Dino-Flow compared to Agate / Jasper?

    Any other trail recommendations for easier trails? I'm looking for singletrack, because even though my kids are young, they know the good stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BullSCit View Post
    So how about Borderline, Cross Canyon and Snippet off of Willow Springs Rd north of town?
    Some of the easiest trail in Moab. Wahoo is a bit harder but still no more than intermediate.

    Quote Originally Posted by BullSCit View Post
    How much of a step up is Dino-Flow compared to Agate / Jasper?
    If you liked Lazy, you should be fine.
    Quote Originally Posted by BullSCit View Post
    Any other trail recommendations for easier trails? I'm looking for singletrack, because even though my kids are young, they know the good stuff.
    Intrepid up at Dead Horse state park.

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    Planning a trip to Moab and Fruita later this year. I can either go Sept.5-12 or Oct. 10-17. I'm thinking Oct. would be better weather for both these locations(especially Moab). So would the Oct. date be better?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jwind View Post
    Some of the easiest trail in Moab. Wahoo is a bit harder but still no more than intermediate.



    If you liked Lazy, you should be fine.


    Intrepid up at Dead Horse state park.
    Thanks for the trail info Jwind. How does Intrepid rate in terms of difficulty compared to Lazy / EZ?

    Also I get a couple family-free rides too, and was going to try Ahab for the first time. Can you recommend the best way to get all the good parts of Amasa? I have done Amasa several times, going down Rockstacker to Jackson, but have never done the Jackson loop either. Was thinking of going up Amasa and do the Jackson Hole loop (is it better to do CW or CCW) and then down Ahab , possibly doing an out and back on the spur back to Amasa down (is it worth it?) back down to the the TH.

    Also any idea how far the shuttles are going up Porcupine? I did LPS for the first time two weeks ago, and would like to get higher if possible.

    Thanks again - BS

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    Quote Originally Posted by BullSCit View Post
    Thanks for the trail info Jwind. How does Intrepid rate in terms of difficulty compared to Lazy / EZ?
    Even easier I'd say.
    Also I get a couple family-free rides too, and was going to try Ahab for the first time. Can you recommend the best way to get all the good parts of Amasa? I have done Amasa several times, going down Rockstacker to Jackson, but have never done the Jackson loop either. Was thinking of going up Amasa and do the Jackson Hole loop (is it better to do CW or CCW) and then down Ahab , possibly doing an out and back on the spur back to Amasa down (is it worth it?) back down to the the TH.
    The Jackson's Hole loop is totally different than Jackson's. It's long and most of it is a dirt road grind with nasty hike-a-bike up Jacob's latter and then down Amasa. If the dirt road thing blow your skirt up, then by all means, but personally I'd save your saddle time for singletrack.

    With the addition of Ahab, one can really put together a long ride in the Amasa area. If you want to do it all:

    Amasa>Ahab>back up Amasa>Pothole Arch>Rockstacker>Jacksons

    Or a figure 8:

    Amasa>Pothole>Rockstacker>Ahab

    Both are long rides. Especially for the non technically inclined.

    Also any idea how far the shuttles are going up Porcupine? I did LPS for the first time two weeks ago, and would like to get higher if possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElDuderino2412 View Post
    Planning a trip to Moab and Fruita later this year. I can either go Sept.5-12 or Oct. 10-17. I'm thinking Oct. would be better weather for both these locations(especially Moab). So would the Oct. date be better?
    Well, early September can still be hot and Burro+ can be snowed in Mid October. Other than that, 6 of 1 1/2 dozen of another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jwind View Post

    The Jackson's Hole loop is totally different than Jackson's. It's long and most of it is a dirt road grind with nasty hike-a-bike up Jacob's latter and then down Amasa. If the dirt road thing blow your skirt up, then by all means, but personally I'd save your saddle time for singletrack.

    With the addition of Ahab, one can really put together a long ride in the Amasa area. If you want to do it all:

    Amasa>Ahab>back up Amasa>Pothole Arch>Rockstacker>Jacksons

    Or a figure 8:

    Amasa>Pothole>Rockstacker>Ahab

    Currently to the top of Koko.
    Thanks, you saved me from dirt road hell, as Jackson HOle doesn't sound that fun, so I think I'll go for the Figure 8, as I remember Jacksons being kind of a lock up your brakes and steer the skid kind of trail (it's been 7 years since I have ridden it, so maybe it has changed).

    Thanks again and really do appreciate the trail info.

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    So I'm heading to Moab in a few days. Will any of the BLM sites along the colorado river on HWY 128 be a good idea? Seems like there's a bunch of em, so i have a good shot at finding an available site. Being alongside the river is nice, i'm assuming it's good for jumping into with a bar of (biodegradable) soap at the end of a hot, sweaty day. I can bring 10 gallons of water for drinking/cooking and they have some sort of toilet in all those campgrounds, right?

    I had been thinking i'd want a campground with shower facilities, but if the river is tolerable to jump in, then that will be an acceptable (or even preferable) substitute. Is the water freezing cold snowmelt or has it had sufficient time to warm up coming through the canyons?
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    Does anyone know which shuttle company offers the latest shuttle on a Sunday on Porcupine Rim (hopefully up to the Kokopeli)? Trying to get a ride with the family in the AM, and seeing what time I have to be back in town.

    And regarding water temperatures, I'm not sure about down in Moab, but I have done quite a few kayak / raft trips in Westwater Canyon and Ruby / Horsethief (30-40 miles up river of Moab) this time of the year, and the water wasn't anything that I would want to hang out in. The campgrounds with showers are filling up, and as of 3PM today, the only one that I found that had a Saturday night opening was the KOA. Best of luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TroyS600 View Post
    So I'm heading to Moab in a few days. Will any of the BLM sites along the colorado river on HWY 128 be a good idea? Seems like there's a bunch of em, so i have a good shot at finding an available site. Being alongside the river is nice, i'm assuming it's good for jumping into with a bar of (biodegradable) soap at the end of a hot, sweaty day. I can bring 10 gallons of water for drinking/cooking and they have some sort of toilet in all those campgrounds, right?

    I had been thinking i'd want a campground with shower facilities, but if the river is tolerable to jump in, then that will be an acceptable (or even preferable) substitute. Is the water freezing cold snowmelt or has it had sufficient time to warm up coming through the canyons?
    It's tough getting down to the Colorado in most of the campsites best bet is the boat launches and adjoining 'beaches'. Water is a bit nipply right now but depending on what you are used to it may be tolerable. Better yet, Moab Cyclery and Poison Spider both sell showers as does the aquatic center.

    Most of the sites along 128 and Pot Ash are of the pit variety. Same for sand flats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BullSCit View Post
    Does anyone know which shuttle company offers the latest shuttle on a Sunday on Porcupine Rim (hopefully up to the Kokopeli)? Trying to get a ride with the family in the AM, and seeing what time I have to be back in town.
    Pretty much 8:30 and 10:30 give or take 30minutes across the board. You can give each shuttle a call and see if they have any shuttles booked at different times with open seats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jwind View Post
    Pretty much 8:30 and 10:30 give or take 30minutes across the board. You can give each shuttle a call and see if they have any shuttles booked at different times with open seats.
    Also, call them. I was able to get a noon shuttle up to LPS last month.

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    Thanks Jwind. Looking at pictures of the campsites they don't appear to be very far from the water, but maybe it's very rocky or vertical or something?

    The Deschutes river here in Bend is always pretty darn freezing cold, even in August. I'm reluctant to say that i'm used to it, because i always hate how cold it is, but in any case i'm not spoiled by warm water. I'm sure the Colorado is colder than i'd like to swim in just for the pleasure of it, but i could probably stand a few quick dips just to wash off.

    Glad to know about the shower options in town.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TroyS600 View Post
    Thanks Jwind. Looking at pictures of the campsites they don't appear to be very far from the water, but maybe it's very rocky or vertical or something?

    The Deschutes river here in Bend is always pretty darn freezing cold, even in August. I'm reluctant to say that i'm used to it, because i always hate how cold it is, but in any case i'm not spoiled by warm water. I'm sure the Colorado is colder than i'd like to swim in just for the pleasure of it, but i could probably stand a few quick dips just to wash off.

    Glad to know about the shower options in town.
    It's not that they are not close, you'll be tromping through the willywacks. It's just that the brush is often thick along the river or the muck is enough to eat your legs. Never showered at the bike shops, but the showers at the aquatic center are very clean and nice.

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    Need some help planning a last minute trip to Moab next week. I will be in Colorado for a wedding and will have May 13-17 free. Ive always wanted to ride Moab so this is my chance. Since this was kind of last minute I haven't had a lot of time to research so sorry for all the questions. I will be by myself and would like to ride at least 2 days as well as do some hiking/exploring around Arches and Canyonlands. I am an advanced XC intermediate downhill rider. I will be renting a bike. I know that I would like to ride as much of the Whole Enchilada that's open. Do they run shuttles during the week at this time? Any other recommended trails that I should ride? I figured I would ride SR but I am open to any other suggestions. Also I would like to camp while I am there. Any suggested areas to camp? Ive seen Sandflats mentioned on here but that's it. Finally should I bring flats or clipless shoes? Thanks

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    Govt shutdown... Is the Sand Flat Recreation area affected? Would the Slickrock Trail be affected? Campgrounds? Argh. Thanks.

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    I don't have the answers. All I know was when I tried to access the Canyonland PDF Map that I just looked at two nights ago, all I got was an error "Because of the federal government shutdown, all national parks are closed and National Park Service webpages are not operating. For more information, go to www.doi.gov." Sheesh, they even took the web pages down. Trying to save the power consumption?
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    sand flat, slickrock are open, not closed by shutdown.

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    Thanks dude. Phew.

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    Any idea about Canyonland? It's in my plan to ride White Rim in a Day after Outerbike. Would be bummed if we couldn't get in due to the gubmints shutdown.
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    National Park is closed.there are some other long routes in the county that could be put together pretty easily and would be comparable.

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    How high up is TWE accessible these days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by donkeykong0 View Post
    How high up is TWE accessible these days?
    Our group got the whole thing last Thursday, then it snowed Thurs night & they were only going up to Kokopelli by Fri / Saturday. Hazard may be good to go if they dont get another storm I'm guessing.

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    Any updates on TWE?

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    Headed out there this weekend. First question is there a good spot to take the dog swimming?

    What's a good non bike activity / hike / check out the scenery after a ride?

    Will we need a 4x4 truck? Or will we be fine in our Impreza?

    How exposed is ups/lps? My wife and I are competent experienced riders - just wondering if she'll be waking "too much" if we go for TWE or as high up as we can get?

    Thanks and can't wait!

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    I'm wondering too. How much snow/rain did Moab get out of this last storm system, as we've gotten a decent amount of moisture in Park City, enough so the trails aren't rideable. Definitely hoping to get as high as possible on TWE also.

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    Hey anyone heading to moab Nov. 23-27th and want to meet up to ride? If so let me know. I haven't ridden much in moab, but rode a bunch in Fruita.
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    Update on trail conditions for the weekend of the 28th? Is everything snowed in down there?

    Mostly interested in Sovereign and Amasa Back.

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    I've been told that amassa and ahab are good. I would call poison spider bike shop, they will have the facts.
    I tried sovereign today, from Willow Springs: unrideable due to mud. By the weekend it will be worse.

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    I'm planning a Moab trip for the first week of April 2014, will most of the trails be open by that time? I am really hoping to do The Whole Enchilada, but I guess it depends on the weather. Are there any other fast fun downhill trails that I should include on this trip? I don't mind climbing to get there.

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    I don't think the Whole Enchilada is fully open till like June? Someone can correct me if I'm mistaken since I've only done Porcupine down. You might be able to do UPS/LPS down but I doubt you can do the higher stuff in April.

    Other stuff you might be interested in, Amassa Back, Captain Ahab, Mag 7 and lots of others. Hit Utah Mountain Biking - Trails, Information, Repairs and The Skid Map for more reading

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    Awesome thanks for that info and link Cobi. I will check out those trails for sure.

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    Headed to Moab this weekend. I know arriving in Moab late on a Thursday night is not ideal for finding camping, however, that's my only option for this trip. Leaving Denver around 430, figure I will be there by 11. If I want to camp somewhere that I can ride from where would you suggest? I know there is Sand Flats camping and slickrock, what are the chances of finding a spot? What about Kane Creek and Amassa Back? Open to other ideas as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusky21 View Post
    Headed to Moab this weekend. I know arriving in Moab late on a Thursday night is not ideal for finding camping, however, that's my only option for this trip. Leaving Denver around 430, figure I will be there by 11. If I want to camp somewhere that I can ride from where would you suggest? I know there is Sand Flats camping and slickrock, what are the chances of finding a spot? What about Kane Creek and Amassa Back? Open to other ideas as well.
    I wouldn't even mess with Sand Flats, if I were you. There is much better camping along Kane Creek Road before it turns up toward Amasa Back. The camping area is called King's Bottom, right on the Colorado River. If that's full, you could try along the Potash Road, directly across the river (to get there head north out of town, near the entrance to Arches National Park, and watch for the signed turn on the left). If you don't find anything there (you probably will - I've arrived late on Friday on Memorial Day weekend and found spots available down there), head north toward I-70, pick a dirt road to turn off onto, and help yourself. Anything not signed "Private" is pretty much open-use BLM land. Have fun in Moab!

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    I should add that you can ride from any of those camping areas. Along Kane Creek Road you can get to Amasa Back or Moab Rim. From Potash you can get to Poison Spider or the Portal (which I wouldn't recommend climbing, personally). From the BLM land north of town, you would have numerous options.

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