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    Ran in to the trail crew today.
    TrailMix, so it's sanctioned trail work.
    The crew has worked on the entirety of the last section of Porcupine singletrack now.
    It is now significantly easier, smoother, wider.
    Rock ramps everywhere, lots of boulders chiseled or moved.
    Crew member said that the work is being done in order to keep people on the trail and to stop the trail braiding and alternate lines from springing up around the formerly tech sections.
    The work is pretty in places, but the majority of what used to be tech and challenging for many riders is now much easier for all riders.
    Crew member said that they left the hard sections in place and didn't alter the harder tech lines, but I did not find that to be the case.
    Some people will likely love the new trail, others will certainly be bummed.

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    Taking the trail down to the lowest common denominator. We can't have nice stuff because others won't stay on the trail. Sheesh.
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    Natural technical terrain can't be built, it's either there or it's not. Moab needs to realize this and protect what they have.

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    WTF?!?! This is not ok, as well intentioned as it may be.
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    Ideally, the trail crews would leave the hard lines alone and create an easy alternate, so people aren't making a mess of trying to find an easier way down. Must be tough to make those decisions and lots of compromises end up being made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nallacious View Post
    Ideally, the trail crews would leave the hard lines alone and create an easy alternate, so people aren't making a mess of trying to find an easier way down. Must be tough to make those decisions and lots of compromises end up being made.

    It's more than that though. There's a dumb it down trend in Moab I've noticed over the past few years that has nothing to do with leaving hard lines while providing easier options. The Notch/Snotch is a good example. Even with another trail option all together, trail crews felt the need to dumb down the Notch?

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    Man this sux! Jackass canyon was the best. I know a lot like the UPS/LPS the most but I always favored the last couple of miles.

    Come on guys, stop fouling up a trail everyone loves and use that energy for a new trail or two.

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    blah, this sucks...I've always looked forward to the technical finish, there are plenty of easy trails in Moab, stop messing with the classics

    So when we start riding around the easy sections to find harder stuff are they going to build a technical trail?

    why not just line the technical sections with logs and boulders to keep people on the trail...if you cant ride it get off your bike and walk!!

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    I've ridden Porc a few times from the Kokopelli drop, but never been able to get any higher on the count of snow. Me a few riding buds will be there the last week of May. What is the likelyhood upper elevations would be open?

    I'm not familiar with the trails or drops above kokopelli.

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    Trailbrain, I'm guessing Hazard should be open by then. It was last year. Get as high up as you can!

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    Moab Trail Conditions

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    Trailbrain, I'm guessing Hazard should be open by then. It was last year. Get as high up as you can!
    You might be right. Last year was an exceptionally dry year. This year was pretty average. That being said, we've had a fair amount of precip this spring. Very well could have snow up there today.

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    Heading to Moab (Fri/Sat/Sun) to escape the snow here in Denver.
    The ski areas are basically all closed :-(
    Do we take the MTBs or the road bikes?
    Have you been getting much precip there this week?
    With a dry Wed & Thurs, should the trails be OK for the weekend?

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    Looking like i might be in moab may 4th/5th to ride. Will i be able to ride the whole enchilada? Is there a page that lists current trail conditions/status? I found tons of pages with general trail info/descriptions, but nothing regarding current conditions. I'm guessing the top isn't rideable until late summer. Even our "high" trails around here, at ~7,000' elevation are often not rideable until july or august. I'm hoping though! *fingers crossed*

    Assuming it's not all open, how high will I be able to start?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TroyS600 View Post
    Is there a page that lists current trail conditions/status?
    I'll be there about a week after you. I've been checking this: The Skid Map

    I can't vouch for how accurate the information is and some of it is a couple of weeks old. Your best bet would be calling a shop (and buy a map from them when you get there).
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    Quote Originally Posted by TroyS600 View Post

    Assuming it's not all open, how high will I be able to start?
    Shuttles just started going to Kokopelli. It's possible that you might get Hazard. I have't been up to Koko yet, but to be honest looking up that way from town Hazard looks a ways off. Warmer weather is in the forecast for the rest of the week.

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    We're planning to climb Hazard for and out-n-back this weekend... anybody know how high we'll be able to climb?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    We're planning to climb Hazard for and out-n-back this weekend... anybody know how high we'll be able to climb?
    Then hazard bench still looks pretty white so I'd suspect not very far before you hit mud at least...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    We're planning to climb Hazard for and out-n-back this weekend... anybody know how high we'll be able to climb?
    How high were you able to get? I might do the same this weekend, and figuring with another week of sun and mid 80s for the next couple of days, I should get higher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BullSCit View Post
    How high were you able to get? I might do the same this weekend, and figuring with another week of sun and mid 80s for the next couple of days, I should get higher.
    As of 4/29 the mud/snow line is La Sal Mtn Road. Water was flowing down the Hazard trail at the highway (early AM). Give it a few weeks....dont trash the trail or your drivetrain. Koko down is dry, dusty, and fun.

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    A quick note to all those who are terrified that they will absolutely slay the singletrack that Trail Mix worked on - You Won't. It's still challenging, in fact it looks as though they avoided the test pieces all together in favor of working on braided areas. I did notice two or three spots that were easier to ride but they were secondary features that weren't too difficult to begin with. Some of the sandy, grunty little ups have been reinforced to stop erosion. Noticable, but again, not the hardest spots to clean in the first place. The wash is still the wash, I couldn't detect any changes. Ride it tomorrow and be just as proud as if you rode it last year, it's still a neat trick.

    In all, I would rate the work as A: Well Done (when I even noticed it) and B: Definitely keeps the rugged spirit and technical challenge of the trail intact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMH View Post
    A quick note to all those who are terrified that they will absolutely slay the singletrack that Trail Mix worked on - You Won't. It's still challenging, in fact it looks as though they avoided the test pieces all together in favor of working on braided areas. I did notice two or three spots that were easier to ride but they were secondary features that weren't too difficult to begin with. Some of the sandy, grunty little ups have been reinforced to stop erosion. Noticable, but again, not the hardest spots to clean in the first place. The wash is still the wash, I couldn't detect any changes. Ride it tomorrow and be just as proud as if you rode it last year, it's still a neat trick.

    In all, I would rate the work as A: Well Done (when I even noticed it) and B: Definitely keeps the rugged spirit and technical challenge of the trail intact.
    I'm with this guy. The reports of the death of Porcupine Singletrack were greatly exaggerated.

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    Any news about the condition of Hazard? I will arrive at Moab tomorrow and hope to be able to start from Hazard when I go riding Porcupine during this week :-)

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    No Hazard or Burro Soon

    For anyone still nursing ideas of an early run down Hazard, or an earlier than normal opening of Burro, the following map will be a downer. SE Utah's mountains are now the highest percent above normal snowpack of any place in the entire western US.

    Sure is great for the desert, though. Hero dirt abounds.
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    I'm back from my trip. Had a great time despite cool and showery weather during most of the visit. Not really wanting to start a ride in a thunder storm and rain meant pretty late starts on at least a couple of mornings. Didn't get as much riding in as i hoped but did get to witness some pretty neat weather.

    While hiking in Negro Bill Canyon, a thunder storm let loose a deluge of skittle sized hail and then rain for 10 minutes or so. That led to a bunch of temporary waterfalls and streams cascading down the canyon walls and through the canyon floor to the main creek. The trail was flooded in many spots and we ended up hiking barefoot. It was a lot of fun.
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    It is really cool when the waterfalls pop up. Imagine your 10 minte shower lasting several hours - that is when people get into real trouble in the canyons. You can find some video of flash floods in the canyons on YouTube - you can't outrun them, and if you are in a place where you can't climb to safety = bad. The other weirdness that catches people who aren't familiar with the canyons is that some of the canyons are miles long, and you can get flooded even if it isn't raining where you are...I know a very experienced outdoorsman who had that happen - he knew better, but he didn't think there was any risk. He parked his truck in a bad spot for convenience while he hiked, and a few hours later it was up to the doors in a raging torrent full of rocks and trees, even though he didn't even get rained on.

    Know the risks out there...

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    Any news on Geyser/Burro Passes and top of Whole Enchilada?

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    Expecting it all to open up in 3 weeks. Still not available according to the Whole Enchilada Shuttle company in Moab.
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    I rode the loop through Geyser Pass and down Moonlight Meadow today. The road still has spots of snow on it but is passable for even 2 wheel drive vehicles. I did not ride up Burro but everything looked clear, just a little muddy........

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    Burro Pass accessible?

    Is the road to Burro Pass open?

    I was with the family hiking from Warner Campground and didn't see any mud or snow a couple of miles into the hike before we turned around.

    This site says the Burro trail is open
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    It's all open, there are patches of snow here and there in the shade but nothing that hinders riding much.

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    Bump, what's riding good in MOAB? Certain spots handle the wet? thanks.
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    Amasa back is generally fine even when it's wet. Stream crossing might be an issue?

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    i am having friend coming next year and want to take him biking to moab. what is the best time (fall excluding, he will have to come before end of july) to come. we would like to be able to do the whole enchilada plus other rides. is july going to be too hot?
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    You'll stand a good chance of being incinerated in July.
    Moab is an inferno come mid June.
    Whole Enchilada could be open in early June or late May.
    Early May will give you the best chance at great weather and you'll likely be able to ride Hazard Down at the least(3/4 Enchilada).
    You'll also be able to ride and enjoy all the other Moab classics with minimal risk of heat exhaustion and 3rd degree sunburn.

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    What are Moab trail conditions like right now? Weather looks prime this weekend and I was thinking about making the long haul form Denver. Going to be my first trip out. How much of whole enchilada is open this time of year? Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryan12210 View Post
    What are Moab trail conditions like right now? Weather looks prime this weekend and I was thinking about making the long haul form Denver. Going to be my first trip out. How much of whole enchilada is open this time of year? Thanks in advance.
    I'm also interested in how much of Burro / Whole Enchilada is open. Cheers.

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    I suspect LPS down. *Possibly* UPS down, but I saw a pic from yesterday that showed a bit of snow up by the Koko/LaSal Loop area.

    DO NOT try to ride Koko down if it's wet. Trust me on this one.

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    Yesterday (Sunday), we shuttled up to LPS trailhead, and rode a couple miles up UPS and turned around at where the trail crosses the 4x4 road. Only saw a couple of puddles, but we turned around because of time issues, not snow, so who knows how much further you could go.

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    Anybody on the White Rim recently? Saturday looks like a good day for WRIAD. Would appreciate current conditions update. Thanks, Potsie.

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    Thanks for the updates!

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    Looking for a current update. The weather looks good this weekend, just wondering if things have dried out from last weekends storm? Thanks!

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    town is full of mountain bikers. also in the area this weekend is a huge basejump - slackline festival.

    as to the trail conditions: lower areas such as amasa back, slickrock, pipe dream and poison spider are all in. north of town (bar-m, sovereign) is wet. trails up there are under stress from too much riding too soon after the snow. top of porky and mag 7 have considerable amounts of snow lingering, and are currently considered out.

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    Update on sovereign and amasa back trails? Is everything snowed in?

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    Thanksgiving's snow is still on the ground. It has been COLD, so it isn't melting outside of town. Even in town there are patches of snow.
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    Slick Rock and/or Amasa Back on New Years Day? Possible?
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    I'd say Amasa Back is the better of the two. I walked up to the false summit the other day. People have been riding it. Bare rock and dry dirt where the sun hits and packed snow where it doesn't. Slick Rock Trail looks inviting from the parking lot but there is quite a bit of crusty snow once you get in there. Lower Portal is clear up to the lookout. I may venture out to Bartlett Wash today and try my luck there. This snow is really holding on!

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    It's been sunny and slightly warmer. Any improvement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jselwyn View Post
    It's been sunny and slightly warmer. Any improvement?
    So it has been pushing 40 degrees the last couple of days. Amasa Back is riding well. The Bartlett Wash slickrock is pretty bare from the main trail head (once out of the wash), but it was fairly snowy after rounding the point (may be better now?). Klondike Bluffs slickrock was pretty bare up to the dirt road section near the top - snowy hike to get out to the bluffs. I have NOT been out to the Slick Rock Trail for at least a week but it is likely that you could get a decent ride in with a few hairy spots here and there. Moab Rim Trail looks bare.

    I would be very cautious about hitting the Brands Trails as they were very muddy and may still be so. Not sure about Pipe Dream - likely it is crusty snow but I have not been on it.

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    Update on conditions? Sovereign and Amasa specifically?

    Did you all get snow this week?

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    both are mostly dry and rideable

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