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    Ran in to the trail crew today.
    TrailMix, so it's sanctioned trail work.
    The crew has worked on the entirety of the last section of Porcupine singletrack now.
    It is now significantly easier, smoother, wider.
    Rock ramps everywhere, lots of boulders chiseled or moved.
    Crew member said that the work is being done in order to keep people on the trail and to stop the trail braiding and alternate lines from springing up around the formerly tech sections.
    The work is pretty in places, but the majority of what used to be tech and challenging for many riders is now much easier for all riders.
    Crew member said that they left the hard sections in place and didn't alter the harder tech lines, but I did not find that to be the case.
    Some people will likely love the new trail, others will certainly be bummed.

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    Taking the trail down to the lowest common denominator. We can't have nice stuff because others won't stay on the trail. Sheesh.
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    Natural technical terrain can't be built, it's either there or it's not. Moab needs to realize this and protect what they have.

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    WTF?!?! This is not ok, as well intentioned as it may be.
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    Ideally, the trail crews would leave the hard lines alone and create an easy alternate, so people aren't making a mess of trying to find an easier way down. Must be tough to make those decisions and lots of compromises end up being made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nallacious View Post
    Ideally, the trail crews would leave the hard lines alone and create an easy alternate, so people aren't making a mess of trying to find an easier way down. Must be tough to make those decisions and lots of compromises end up being made.

    It's more than that though. There's a dumb it down trend in Moab I've noticed over the past few years that has nothing to do with leaving hard lines while providing easier options. The Notch/Snotch is a good example. Even with another trail option all together, trail crews felt the need to dumb down the Notch?

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    Man this sux! Jackass canyon was the best. I know a lot like the UPS/LPS the most but I always favored the last couple of miles.

    Come on guys, stop fouling up a trail everyone loves and use that energy for a new trail or two.

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    blah, this sucks...I've always looked forward to the technical finish, there are plenty of easy trails in Moab, stop messing with the classics

    So when we start riding around the easy sections to find harder stuff are they going to build a technical trail?

    why not just line the technical sections with logs and boulders to keep people on the trail...if you cant ride it get off your bike and walk!!

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    I've ridden Porc a few times from the Kokopelli drop, but never been able to get any higher on the count of snow. Me a few riding buds will be there the last week of May. What is the likelyhood upper elevations would be open?

    I'm not familiar with the trails or drops above kokopelli.

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    Trailbrain, I'm guessing Hazard should be open by then. It was last year. Get as high up as you can!

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    Moab Trail Conditions

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    Trailbrain, I'm guessing Hazard should be open by then. It was last year. Get as high up as you can!
    You might be right. Last year was an exceptionally dry year. This year was pretty average. That being said, we've had a fair amount of precip this spring. Very well could have snow up there today.

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    Heading to Moab (Fri/Sat/Sun) to escape the snow here in Denver.
    The ski areas are basically all closed :-(
    Do we take the MTBs or the road bikes?
    Have you been getting much precip there this week?
    With a dry Wed & Thurs, should the trails be OK for the weekend?

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    Looking like i might be in moab may 4th/5th to ride. Will i be able to ride the whole enchilada? Is there a page that lists current trail conditions/status? I found tons of pages with general trail info/descriptions, but nothing regarding current conditions. I'm guessing the top isn't rideable until late summer. Even our "high" trails around here, at ~7,000' elevation are often not rideable until july or august. I'm hoping though! *fingers crossed*

    Assuming it's not all open, how high will I be able to start?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TroyS600 View Post
    Is there a page that lists current trail conditions/status?
    I'll be there about a week after you. I've been checking this: The Skid Map

    I can't vouch for how accurate the information is and some of it is a couple of weeks old. Your best bet would be calling a shop (and buy a map from them when you get there).
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    Quote Originally Posted by TroyS600 View Post

    Assuming it's not all open, how high will I be able to start?
    Shuttles just started going to Kokopelli. It's possible that you might get Hazard. I have't been up to Koko yet, but to be honest looking up that way from town Hazard looks a ways off. Warmer weather is in the forecast for the rest of the week.

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    We're planning to climb Hazard for and out-n-back this weekend... anybody know how high we'll be able to climb?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    We're planning to climb Hazard for and out-n-back this weekend... anybody know how high we'll be able to climb?
    Then hazard bench still looks pretty white so I'd suspect not very far before you hit mud at least...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    We're planning to climb Hazard for and out-n-back this weekend... anybody know how high we'll be able to climb?
    How high were you able to get? I might do the same this weekend, and figuring with another week of sun and mid 80s for the next couple of days, I should get higher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BullSCit View Post
    How high were you able to get? I might do the same this weekend, and figuring with another week of sun and mid 80s for the next couple of days, I should get higher.
    As of 4/29 the mud/snow line is La Sal Mtn Road. Water was flowing down the Hazard trail at the highway (early AM). Give it a few weeks....dont trash the trail or your drivetrain. Koko down is dry, dusty, and fun.

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    A quick note to all those who are terrified that they will absolutely slay the singletrack that Trail Mix worked on - You Won't. It's still challenging, in fact it looks as though they avoided the test pieces all together in favor of working on braided areas. I did notice two or three spots that were easier to ride but they were secondary features that weren't too difficult to begin with. Some of the sandy, grunty little ups have been reinforced to stop erosion. Noticable, but again, not the hardest spots to clean in the first place. The wash is still the wash, I couldn't detect any changes. Ride it tomorrow and be just as proud as if you rode it last year, it's still a neat trick.

    In all, I would rate the work as A: Well Done (when I even noticed it) and B: Definitely keeps the rugged spirit and technical challenge of the trail intact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMH View Post
    A quick note to all those who are terrified that they will absolutely slay the singletrack that Trail Mix worked on - You Won't. It's still challenging, in fact it looks as though they avoided the test pieces all together in favor of working on braided areas. I did notice two or three spots that were easier to ride but they were secondary features that weren't too difficult to begin with. Some of the sandy, grunty little ups have been reinforced to stop erosion. Noticable, but again, not the hardest spots to clean in the first place. The wash is still the wash, I couldn't detect any changes. Ride it tomorrow and be just as proud as if you rode it last year, it's still a neat trick.

    In all, I would rate the work as A: Well Done (when I even noticed it) and B: Definitely keeps the rugged spirit and technical challenge of the trail intact.
    I'm with this guy. The reports of the death of Porcupine Singletrack were greatly exaggerated.

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    Any news about the condition of Hazard? I will arrive at Moab tomorrow and hope to be able to start from Hazard when I go riding Porcupine during this week :-)

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    No Hazard or Burro Soon

    For anyone still nursing ideas of an early run down Hazard, or an earlier than normal opening of Burro, the following map will be a downer. SE Utah's mountains are now the highest percent above normal snowpack of any place in the entire western US.

    Sure is great for the desert, though. Hero dirt abounds.
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    I'm back from my trip. Had a great time despite cool and showery weather during most of the visit. Not really wanting to start a ride in a thunder storm and rain meant pretty late starts on at least a couple of mornings. Didn't get as much riding in as i hoped but did get to witness some pretty neat weather.

    While hiking in Negro Bill Canyon, a thunder storm let loose a deluge of skittle sized hail and then rain for 10 minutes or so. That led to a bunch of temporary waterfalls and streams cascading down the canyon walls and through the canyon floor to the main creek. The trail was flooded in many spots and we ended up hiking barefoot. It was a lot of fun.
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    It is really cool when the waterfalls pop up. Imagine your 10 minte shower lasting several hours - that is when people get into real trouble in the canyons. You can find some video of flash floods in the canyons on YouTube - you can't outrun them, and if you are in a place where you can't climb to safety = bad. The other weirdness that catches people who aren't familiar with the canyons is that some of the canyons are miles long, and you can get flooded even if it isn't raining where you are...I know a very experienced outdoorsman who had that happen - he knew better, but he didn't think there was any risk. He parked his truck in a bad spot for convenience while he hiked, and a few hours later it was up to the doors in a raging torrent full of rocks and trees, even though he didn't even get rained on.

    Know the risks out there...

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    Any news on Geyser/Burro Passes and top of Whole Enchilada?

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    Expecting it all to open up in 3 weeks. Still not available according to the Whole Enchilada Shuttle company in Moab.
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    I rode the loop through Geyser Pass and down Moonlight Meadow today. The road still has spots of snow on it but is passable for even 2 wheel drive vehicles. I did not ride up Burro but everything looked clear, just a little muddy........

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    Burro Pass accessible?

    Is the road to Burro Pass open?

    I was with the family hiking from Warner Campground and didn't see any mud or snow a couple of miles into the hike before we turned around.

    This site says the Burro trail is open
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    It's all open, there are patches of snow here and there in the shade but nothing that hinders riding much.

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    Bump, what's riding good in MOAB? Certain spots handle the wet? thanks.
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    Amasa back is generally fine even when it's wet. Stream crossing might be an issue?

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    i am having friend coming next year and want to take him biking to moab. what is the best time (fall excluding, he will have to come before end of july) to come. we would like to be able to do the whole enchilada plus other rides. is july going to be too hot?
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    You'll stand a good chance of being incinerated in July.
    Moab is an inferno come mid June.
    Whole Enchilada could be open in early June or late May.
    Early May will give you the best chance at great weather and you'll likely be able to ride Hazard Down at the least(3/4 Enchilada).
    You'll also be able to ride and enjoy all the other Moab classics with minimal risk of heat exhaustion and 3rd degree sunburn.

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    What are Moab trail conditions like right now? Weather looks prime this weekend and I was thinking about making the long haul form Denver. Going to be my first trip out. How much of whole enchilada is open this time of year? Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryan12210 View Post
    What are Moab trail conditions like right now? Weather looks prime this weekend and I was thinking about making the long haul form Denver. Going to be my first trip out. How much of whole enchilada is open this time of year? Thanks in advance.
    I'm also interested in how much of Burro / Whole Enchilada is open. Cheers.

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    I suspect LPS down. *Possibly* UPS down, but I saw a pic from yesterday that showed a bit of snow up by the Koko/LaSal Loop area.

    DO NOT try to ride Koko down if it's wet. Trust me on this one.

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    Yesterday (Sunday), we shuttled up to LPS trailhead, and rode a couple miles up UPS and turned around at where the trail crosses the 4x4 road. Only saw a couple of puddles, but we turned around because of time issues, not snow, so who knows how much further you could go.

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    Anybody on the White Rim recently? Saturday looks like a good day for WRIAD. Would appreciate current conditions update. Thanks, Potsie.

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    Thanks for the updates!

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    Looking for a current update. The weather looks good this weekend, just wondering if things have dried out from last weekends storm? Thanks!

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    town is full of mountain bikers. also in the area this weekend is a huge basejump - slackline festival.

    as to the trail conditions: lower areas such as amasa back, slickrock, pipe dream and poison spider are all in. north of town (bar-m, sovereign) is wet. trails up there are under stress from too much riding too soon after the snow. top of porky and mag 7 have considerable amounts of snow lingering, and are currently considered out.

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    Update on sovereign and amasa back trails? Is everything snowed in?

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    Thanksgiving's snow is still on the ground. It has been COLD, so it isn't melting outside of town. Even in town there are patches of snow.
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    Slick Rock and/or Amasa Back on New Years Day? Possible?
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    I'd say Amasa Back is the better of the two. I walked up to the false summit the other day. People have been riding it. Bare rock and dry dirt where the sun hits and packed snow where it doesn't. Slick Rock Trail looks inviting from the parking lot but there is quite a bit of crusty snow once you get in there. Lower Portal is clear up to the lookout. I may venture out to Bartlett Wash today and try my luck there. This snow is really holding on!

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    It's been sunny and slightly warmer. Any improvement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jselwyn View Post
    It's been sunny and slightly warmer. Any improvement?
    So it has been pushing 40 degrees the last couple of days. Amasa Back is riding well. The Bartlett Wash slickrock is pretty bare from the main trail head (once out of the wash), but it was fairly snowy after rounding the point (may be better now?). Klondike Bluffs slickrock was pretty bare up to the dirt road section near the top - snowy hike to get out to the bluffs. I have NOT been out to the Slick Rock Trail for at least a week but it is likely that you could get a decent ride in with a few hairy spots here and there. Moab Rim Trail looks bare.

    I would be very cautious about hitting the Brands Trails as they were very muddy and may still be so. Not sure about Pipe Dream - likely it is crusty snow but I have not been on it.

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    Update on conditions? Sovereign and Amasa specifically?

    Did you all get snow this week?

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    both are mostly dry and rideable

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    How far up lps ups.

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    Hey sorry to create zombie thread but.....

    Would it be worth it to come out either this weekend or next week...I'd be coming from Colorado so I'm not worried about the cold I just don't want snow

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    What usually stays open and clear longest around there?

    I realize the likely answer is "it depends", but I'd assume that lower elevation trails are more likely to remain snow-free than the higher ones, and those with a southern aspect would as well.

    Has anyone ever produced a map showing both elevation and aspect for the area? I'm a big GIS nerd and this seems like a great way to predict what is rideable.
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    I know this is just getting needy but do you guys think porcupine rim would be rideable and what about white rim

    You guys are awesome thanks!!!

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    With the exception if a little late rain forecast for Friday everything looks good with toasty temps in the low 50's there is residual snow on North facing slopes that are shaded. I would guess you would have a lot of patches on UPS but should be rideable. White Rim would be all clear but you do need a permit. It's dipping into the 20's at night but other than a little chill the riding is as good as ever.
    As for what's open..........everything if you ride a Fatbike :thumbs up
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    Some people might dislike me for this, but I'm using ArcMap 10.3 to generate a map of Moab's trails (using 10m DEM files) to predict what will most likely be dry or snow free. Generating aspect and solar radiation area files as I write this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    Some people might dislike me for this, but I'm using ArcMap 10.3 to generate a map of Moab's trails (using 10m DEM files) to predict what will most likely be dry or snow free. Generating aspect and solar radiation area files as I write this.

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    Sounds like a cool project! Why would anyone dislike you for doing that? Nevermind, rhetorical questions, just don't give them a copy....

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    Quote Originally Posted by russinthecascades View Post
    Sounds like a cool project! Why would anyone dislike you for doing that? Nevermind, rhetorical questions, just don't give them a copy....
    Some people don't want additional out-of-towners on "their" trails. A map of most likely to be dry trails would be bad news.

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    You can always just call a bike shop in town and ask whats rideable.

    I know, I know....soooo 'first decade of the new millennium'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowtron View Post
    You can always just call a bike shop in town and ask whats rideable.

    I know, I know....soooo 'first decade of the new millennium'.
    OMG, You sir are a GD Genius!!!!! LOL
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    [QUOTE=Le Duke;12351956]Some people don't want additional out-of-towners on "their" trails.

    ^^^^

    Some people are *******s, I have never ran into this. Its always been with open arms!
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    Quote Originally Posted by flowtron View Post
    You can always just call a bike shop in town and ask whats rideable.

    I know, I know....soooo 'first decade of the new millennium'.
    That's always a good option, too.

    However, I recognize the "limitations" of any model of data collection. Most notably, if no one has actually been out on a trail, there is no way of collecting data first hand.

    Given the sheer number of trails and trail miles in Moab, this is a legitimate concern. People can give you their "best guess", based on prior experience. But, more data is never a bad thing, IME. Thus, the use of remote sensing and modeling as I'm doing here.
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    Rode up Porcupine Rim from the river two days ago. Started seeing patches of snow in shady areas on the sandy singletrack section just below LPS. We turned around due to time but suspect you could have reached LPS.

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    Some snowy patches up at Navajo Rocks Yesterday but fine for the most part. I only remember one or two small spots of mud in 17 miles.

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    Bump. I'm thinking about an impromptu quick day and a half down there Sunday. Weather looks really good.

    Sure-fire good trail suggestions are welcome, please.

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    I saw photos of a guy riding amassa today. basically clear of snow. disregard all previous reports, it snowed heavily 2 days ago.

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    ^^^^^^^

    We had 6" + at our house in town, there was more at higher elevations. Most of it has melted off as of today but any trails with North facing slopes are going to have a lot of residual. Everything's a " go" on a fatbike 😊

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAM313 View Post
    ^^^^^^^

    We had 6" + at our house in town, there was more at higher elevations. Most of it has melted off as of today but any trails with North facing slopes are going to have a lot of residual. Everything's a " go" on a fatbike 😊
    I'm assuming rock stacker, jackson's will still have snow this weekend?

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    Thanks for the info. I'll chime in again Saturday and see if it's worth the trip from SLC. I just want a good day and a half of miles I can put in.
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    Rockstacker and Jackson don't get alot of sun this time of year, they are probably still snow and ice and I'd pass on them. Klondike and Mag 7, trails North of town get more sun and I'd look to ride out there.

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    Any idea how things are looking after the (little bit, from looking at the weather?) snow yesterday?

    Headed down tomorrow to stay for a few days, would love to get some pedalling in if possible, if it's do-able I might even try to hit Carosel @ Klonzo w/ my 4 year old...

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    We had a few more inches of snow yesterday, 3 to 4 in town, more at higher elevations. Temps are in the 20's so Im not expecting it to melt off fast. Perfect conditions on a Fat bike. Brand trails might melt off a bit but they get really muddy.

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    4 to 8 inches of snow at 4500 feet, much more above that. Bar M trails have residual but I'm guessing they are very muddy even where its melted off. Klondike might be the brst bet as it gets full sun for a good part of the day.
    On a fat bike its all open........

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAM313 View Post
    4 to 8 inches of snow at 4500 feet, much more above that. Bar M trails have residual but I'm guessing they are very muddy even where its melted off. Klondike might be the brst bet as it gets full sun for a good part of the day.
    On a fat bike its all open........
    How's amasa back looking

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gleeballs View Post
    How's amasa back looking
    I haven't been down that way but I can see a good bit of snow at the Portal so I would guess there is residual snow several inches deep in spots that aren't getting sun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAM313 View Post
    4 to 8 inches of snow at 4500 feet, much more above that. Bar M trails have residual but I'm guessing they are very muddy even where its melted off. Klondike might be the brst bet as it gets full sun for a good part of the day.
    On a fat bike its all open........
    Sam, I am planning on bringing my fat bike to Moab this spring for my annual pilgrimage. What tires do you recommend? I'm thinking just some Vee Missions because they are cheap. I would like to save my winter tires if I can.

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    I've been running Hudu's year round and love the performance in dry conditions. That said, I've been riding deeper snow this year than last and am getting some slippage on climbs so I'm going to give the Vanhelgas a roll for the rest of our Winter and compare the difference. I don't weigh a lot so I think the Hudu's perform better for me than most but I'm willing to give up some rolling performance for better climb traction over obstacles.
    If this year is anything like last year our snow will be melted off and we will have full sunny days by February so I don't think you can go wrong with Hudu's.
    If conditions are dry you will want a high traction tire for steep slickrock climbs, on a fat bike you can climb anything.

    If I stick with the Vanhelgas I might have a slightly used set of Hudu's for sale when you get here

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    Thanks for the report!! Keep me posted on those Hudu's!

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    We got about 3" of crazy wet snow in GJ last night. How bout you guys? Doesn't seem like you got hit. Anything northernly like Klondike, Klonzo or Sovereign gonna be rideable if we wanna sneak across the border this weekend for a quickie?

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    We got nuthin...... It was warmer yesterday and light rain melted everything off. We were going to go skating on the slough today but it has returned to water. There are still patches around town so I would guess anything higher than the hwy 191 area trails will still have a good bit of snow. Again, Klondike looks like the best bet if your riding anything but a Fat bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAM313 View Post
    We got nuthin...... It was warmer yesterday and light rain melted everything off. We were going to go skating on the slough today but it has returned to water. There are still patches around town so I would guess anything higher than the hwy 191 area trails will still have a good bit of snow. Again, Klondike looks like the best bet if your riding anything but a Fat bike.
    Thanks Sam. Now just need to convince the wife.

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    Klondike is not quite ready. I wouldnt recommend sending anyone else that way yet, especially if temps get over about 25 until it has a chance to dry out more. I was first tracks (other than a couple hikers) out there since your last snowfall.

    Did Dinoflow, headed up Baby Steps, had to turn around a few hundred yards into Inside Step as I didn't want to destroy my bike or your trails. Came back via EKG. I turned around about 10:30 and it was getting sloppy by the time I came off EKG back onto that last tiny bit of Dino. Said it was 30 when I got back. Needs more time.

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    Sorry you got mudded out. I suffered the same fate driving into some hiking trails. 10 minutes of power washing to uncoat my Jeep. Trails at higher elevations have more sand and less clay and stay rideable, unfortunately right now they still have a good bit of snow. Might be time to upgrade to a fat bike, especially living in Co.

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    I always look at the Island in the Sky webcam to see how it's looking weather wise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAM313 View Post
    Sorry you got mudded out. I suffered the same fate driving into some hiking trails. 10 minutes of power washing to uncoat my Jeep. Trails at higher elevations have more sand and less clay and stay rideable, unfortunately right now they still have a good bit of snow. Might be time to upgrade to a fat bike, especially living in Co.
    No worries, beautiful drive into Moab by myself. Sometimes just nice to go out by yourself and see nobody. Just me and the cattle out there yesterday. Besides, I still got some decent riding in. Looks like I shoulda drove a little further in and hit Amasa or something. Saw other GJ folks post pictures from there and it looked good.

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    I'm here all week with fat bike in tow. What's my best bet? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jefferiah View Post
    I'm here all week with fat bike in tow. What's my best bet? Thanks.
    I guess it's a matter of how much snow you'd like to ride in. I've been out riding the Navajo Rocks and Mag 7 areas where the upper reaches have 6-8" of snow but that was a few days ago and I suspect a bit has melted off. I'm headed to Mag 7 today.
    You could also head up into the mountains and ride up Geyser Pass, it has several incges of snow and hasn't been graded in a bit because San Juan County decided they weren't going to do it anymore......politics at work now. Looks to be a sunny day so I don't think you could go wrong with either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAM313 View Post
    I guess it's a matter of how much snow you'd like to ride in. I've been out riding the Navajo Rocks and Mag 7 areas where the upper reaches have 6-8" of snow but that was a few days ago and I suspect a bit has melted off. I'm headed to Mag 7 today.
    You could also head up into the mountains and ride up Geyser Pass, it has several incges of snow and hasn't been graded in a bit because San Juan County decided they weren't going to do it anymore......politics at work now. Looks to be a sunny day so I don't think you could go wrong with either.
    Please update post ride!

    If I can make a loop on Mag7 or Amasa Back I'll be heading out this weekend.

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    Thanks for the tips. Do you happen to have a link to helpful geyser pass info? I see a bunch if info and that it's the first section of the whole enchilada. If I'm limited to just 1.5-2 hrs late afternoon/early eve (I have lights) what do you recommend?

    What about Brand trails? Mush and mud?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRage43 View Post
    Please update post ride!

    If I can make a loop on Mag7 or Amasa Back I'll be heading out this weekend.
    The snow on upper Mag 7 had 4-6 inches more powder on top of what I rode last week. It was slow going. I'm on 4" tires, 5's might have a better go of it, but there's a track down now

    If you rode up from the bottom of Gemini I think a loop on the lower trails will be doable by the weekend or you can ride the upper trails and expand your expletive vocabulary as I did..........

    No info on Amassa Back, I would guess the shaded areas would stilll have 4" + of snow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jefferiah View Post
    Thanks for the tips. Do you happen to have a link to helpful geyser pass info? I see a bunch if info and that it's the first section of the whole enchilada. If I'm limited to just 1.5-2 hrs late afternoon/early eve (I have lights) what do you recommend?

    What about Brand trails? Mush and mud?

    Thanks
    Yes, the Brand trails will be mainly mush and mud. Its going to take you about 40 minutes to get up to the bottom of Geyser Pass Rd. It goes off the loop Rd. Just prior to Oowah Lake as you go up from the South end. You can ride up from the bottom as far as you'd like, it will be an easy evening ride with lights. The prettier part is up about five miles and then you're riding through the aspens and pines but it sounds like time may not let you get there. 4WD is probably needed too once you turn off the loop Rd.

    You might try Pipe Dream, not very scenic but it should fit your time requirements and the snow shouldnt be too bad over there. I hiked it Christmas day and it would have been easily rideable. We've had some snow since but there is a parallel 4WD rd., you can always bail out to that where there should be easier pedaling.

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    Attempted to ride Navajo Rocks tonight on my fatbike with lights. Conditions were decent -- still a fair bit of snow and also plenty of exposed slickrock. My first time up there so was fairly cautious being alone at night. From the parking lot, I made it only about 1-1.5 miles before the blazes were lost to snow and the tracks stopped. I wasn't gonna push it so ended up circling back, playing around a bit, heading up the first section of Mesa. Overall really nice and plenty fun but obviously suboptimal given that loss of the trail. Nevertheless, I was diggin the fatbike on the rock and snow.

    Good idea re Pipedream. Might try that tomorrow eve. I got another suggestion for a post-work ride to pedal up Sand Flats road and turn left onto Fins-n-things then back into slickrock and the practice loop. Also might hit up Brand trails very early in the morning (like 6 am) when still frozen. TBD.

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    Fins and Things and the practice loop get a lot of ice under the snow on the slickrock making them a little treacherous..... You can ride up Sand Flats and cut over to Fins and Things a couple miles up and if you ride the upper portion of the trail ( North side of the road) it is more sand and rock than slickrock climbs and should be rideable. Even riding just up Sand Flats would be a nice relaxing sunset ride.
    Have a great visit

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    Unexpectedly freed up this afternoon and road Amasa Back. Capital P Perfect conditions, both weather and trails! Man, that trail and the views and Ahab blow my mind every time I ride there. A bit of snow here and there, mostly on Pothole but barely any. Skipped Rockstacker and Jackson so can't comment on those.

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