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    Best tires for Moab & surrounding area

    I'm heading to Moab in a week or so & was hoping i could get some tire recommendations. What works and doesn't would be much appreciated.

    Thanks in advance.

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    I emailed a couple shops in Moab asking them the same question as we are planning a trip down there in about 2 weeks. Both shops recommended the moto raptor 2.4's because they performed well and were cheap to get ahold of.

    My guess is the sandstone down there will chew up soft compound tires pretty quick.



    Quote Originally Posted by mtn_man2
    I'm heading to Moab in a week or so & was hoping i could get some tire recommendations. What works and doesn't would be much appreciated.

    Thanks in advance.

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    Thanks for the help.

    Quote Originally Posted by ToddM
    I emailed a couple shops in Moab asking them the same question as we are planning a trip down there in about 2 weeks. Both shops recommended the moto raptor 2.4's because they performed well and were cheap to get ahold of.

    My guess is the sandstone down there will chew up soft compound tires pretty quick.
    That was exactly what I needed. Thanks for helping me out. Have a good trip too.

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    You could always try slicks if you're riding slickrock. Might add a little more fun to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thereal-jekyllman
    You could always try slicks if you're riding slickrock. Might add a little more fun to it.
    If skidding on sandy patches is your idea of fun - then yes.

    Me think there is enough sand to warrant at least some knobs and decent volume.

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    I've never run it but several rave about the 2.5 Weirwolf up front with a 2.4 Motoraptor in back. I've got a Weirwolf coming later this week that I'll try with a Nokian NBX (currently running these front and rear with good success) and a Geax Sturdy. Another popular tire choice is to run the Maxxis Mobster (front specific) 2.3 tire front and rear. Also, as rough as the terrain is in Moab don't be surprised to leave with a few less tires than you came with. Torn sidewalls, ripped off knobs, and just plain worn out tires are all common.
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    Tires

    I've heard that the Moto raptors and Mutano (sp?) raptors are popular there. Thos tires also come in 2.24 size if the 2.4's are too big for your bike. Me and my bud both ran Panaracer Fire XC pros in 2.1 size and they worked great.

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    and for tubeless

    Any thoughts? I'm heading to Utah in early April. Have some Hutchinson Pythons that are all but dead and looking for something a bit more durable. I'm out in North Carolina

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    Moab tires?

    I've run all sorts of different tires in moab. 1.95 Wormdrives to 2.6 Gazzalodi's. They all work, and work pretty well. It isn't too hard for any tire to connect with gritty sandstone, and most tires work decent in the loose (or dust) over hardpack.

    In the sand and drops, naturally you'd want a fatter tire, so if you're planning on riding something a little more technical, you'll want to go a little fat or run lower pressure. On my wormdrives I ran 25 psi.

    Overall, 2.4 Moto and Mutanos work great, so do 2.1s and 2.24s
    2.35 Highroller and Mobster combos work great too. NBX's are a go...

    I tend to like something with a little more sidewall protection.

    Long story short, buy whatever tire you want in the 1.95-2.6 range and you'll be happy.

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    as bonkey says, pretty much anything works, but imho, the bigger the better. a 2.4" tire at fairly low pressure will stick to rocks pretty well, and allow you to ride some technical stuff you wouldn't have thought possible, plus they'll float better in the sand, and maybe save you some pushing. i think the 2.4 motoraptor would be a good choice at a reasonable price. my new bike has some 2.3 nokians, but i haven't had a chance to ride it yet with all the snow in ely. probably going to st george this weekend to ride, which i'm told has moabesque conditions, so i'll know more then.
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    Velo

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    Be sure to come by and visit when you're in St. George. Desert Cyclery over on 514 Bluff St.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonkey
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    Be sure to come by and visit when you're in St. George. Desert Cyclery over on 514 Bluff St.
    will do. i've never been there, so i need to get a good map of the local trails. i was thinking about hitting gooseberry mesa one day, and green valley/stucki springs the next.
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    UPDATE: I just got back from Moab where I had a chance to throw a WTB Weirwolf 2.5 up front and a Geax Sturdy 2.3 on the rear of my Turner 5 Spot. I absolutely loved the combo (thanks Tscheezy!). So the next day just to make sure that it was the tires and not the 5 Spot, this is my first trip to Moab on a FS ride, I ran the Nokians and regretted it all day. It isnít so much that they sucked as it was that they just werenít as good as the WTB/Geax combo. The knobs were spaced too far apart so on slickrock I had the dreaded tractor tire effect, and they were too narrow for sand, which we ended up riding quit a bit of on the access road to and from the trailhead and intermittently through the trail.

    I by no means think that the WTB/Geax is the only good combo, the Motoraptor 2.4ís would be another, but I do think that generally the wider the better, up to a 2.5, and a more aggressive tire up front would be wise on trails that arenít a majority of slickrock, seeing as how if itís not slickrock itís going to be a very loose combination of sand and gravel. Also, like Bonkey mentioned, tire pressure will make a tire react very differently to a particular terrain type. Make sure you take a good trail pump with you and if youíre riding through sand lower your pressure down into the 20ís, and when you hit rocky terrain or slickrock bump it back up into the high 40ís.

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    Moab tires

    Just got back from Moab myself. I was using a 2.4" Motoraptor / 2.4" Mutanoraptor combo on my wife's Juliana as a 'confidence booster' on the loose terrain and rock drops. After the doubletrack on Porc Rim she said that the tires 'stuck like glue' made the terrain far more 'comfortable and controlled' than her normal Hutchinson Pythons on similar terrain.

    This was coming from my wife who's first reaction to the 2.4" tires was, "Where did my light tires go? I don't want to lug those things around!"

    It didn't take her long for her to comment that the 2.4's WTB's were a sweet combo on that terrain. I would have gone with something more aggressive on the back, but this was on her size small Juliana. Yes, the 2.4" Mutano was a tight fit, but it worked just fine (no rub, or front derailleur probs).

    Oh, also, for Slickrock Trail I swapped her back to an old set of Pythons. They worked very well. I used a throw away pair of Ritchey Speedmax 2.0 tires, which worked horribly! The little knobs on the edges easily folded under hard cornering and traversing across angled rocks. I've had far better success using standard knobbies with high pressure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikerx40
    I was using a 2.4" Motoraptor / 2.4" Mutanoraptor combo on my wife's Juliana as a 'confidence booster' on the loose terrain and rock drops.
    That's the combo that Tscheezy was running on Barney's XCE. If not it was a 2.4" Mutanoraptors front and rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrashTheDOG
    That's the combo that Tscheezy was running on Barney's XCE. If not it was a 2.4" Mutanoraptors front and rear.
    I wasn't implying that only chicks dig that setup

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    Just got back from moab myself.

    I tried out motoraptor 2.4's front/rear and was pretty impressed.

    I also rode a 2.7/2.5 maxxis minon DH set and while they worked great on the slickrock they were scary in anything that was even remotely loose, much less some of the deep sand sections of slickrock.

    I'd have liked to have tried my kenda nevegal/blue groove combo down there but they didn't arrive in time.

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    Another great old tire thread, thanks for the info everyone!

    (Heading to the FFTF with a Moab side trip)

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    Motoraptors Rock Moab

    My brother and followed the advice of posters in this thread and installed the 2.4 Motoraptors for our trip to Moab. If you want a tire with killer traction that can conquer the whole area then look no further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bergie
    Any thoughts? I'm heading to Utah in early April. Have some Hutchinson Pythons that are all but dead and looking for something a bit more durable. I'm out in North Carolina
    For tubeless XC/AM, I prefer Maxxis Highroller 2.35 R and Minion 2.35 F. I've been running that combo this year and highrollers last and have no complaints. I usually run 26-28 in front and 32 in back (psi). What's a pinch flat. . .

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    Sidewall protection

    What ever you use in Moab, don't go light on the sidewall protection. Many trails have sharp rocks just waiting to rip into your sidewall and ruin your day. Be prepared to fix sidewall rips no matter what you use. Dollar bills, PowerBar wrappers, pieces of tube, shoe insoles.....

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    I carry a few Park sidewall patches in my patch kit.

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    How about for the 29er variety of tires?

    I run Bonrager ACX's (stock on the Hi-Fi 29er) and plan on coming out for spring break.

    Someone suggested a slicker tire, such as a SB8, but from the posts, it seems like an aggressive tire like my ACX would be perfect, but maybe not aggressive enough. Even though it is a mud tire.

    Any suggestions from 29" wheeled riders?

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    Quote Originally Posted by offroadfanatic
    How about for the 29er variety of tires?

    I run Bonrager ACX's (stock on the Hi-Fi 29er) and plan on coming out for spring break.

    Someone suggested a slicker tire, such as a SB8, but from the posts, it seems like an aggressive tire like my ACX would be perfect, but maybe not aggressive enough. Even though it is a mud tire.

    Any suggestions from 29" wheeled riders?
    I rode the centurion a couple years ago on a 29er using a Motoraptor rear and Exiwolf front with no problems. I think I only had 1 flat in the 86 mi. I did before I quit, which is pretty good for Moab.
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    Quote Originally Posted by offroadfanatic
    Any suggestions from 29" wheeled riders?
    Depends on the terrain. If you ONLY planned to do rides on slickrock, the SB8 would be awesome. But something like a Nevegal or Ignitor will be more fun in the loose gravel that makes up 90% of the other trails. Lots of volume is nice in Moab. It's a bumpy place.

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    I'd worry that your ACX's would die a quick sidewall-induced death. Weirwolf 2.55's are very nice for Moab, tough and excellent in sand. Either Nevegals, Rampages, or Mountain Kings are more suited to aggressive handling, and will do very well.

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    Thanks for the suggestions guys.

    I'm going to check out some deals on Nevgals (i'm partial to Kenda). I'm worried what kind of clearance issues I'll have for the back tire as my 2.2's right now don't have TOO much room to spare.

    Should I wait to set up tubeless after I return from Moab?

    Sounds like running tubless out there would be good for about 15 minutes of riding.

    cheers!

    and see you at the end of march!

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    I am heading out there in a few weeks and am planning to try my luck with Kenda UST Nevegals, 2.1". Hmmm, maybe I should try to squeeze a 2.35 into my fork (2009 SID)?

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    They DO have a 2.35 Tubeless Nevegal.
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    Thanks in advance all.

    Bringing my niner WFO9 down for 4 days of fun on the rocky stuff - the kind of stuff Mel Rider calls the "dude" tracks. I have 4 tires to chose from and want your input, please. I'll have 2 on the bike for main, with a backup tire, just in case:

    1) Bontrager 29-4 2.3
    2) Schwalbe Nobby Nic 2.35
    3) Racing Ralph 2.2
    4) Kenda Nevegal 2.2

    The Schwalbes need higher pressure to work right, but are fast; NN can go lower, but up here in ONtario, I keep bonking the rim when it runs low.

    Bontragers are probably comparable with the dtc on the kendas, but grip great and are wide.

    Nevegals should rock, but they are slightly thinner and are slow-ish.

    Please post your recommendations for Front/back main, and your choice for the backup tire.

    Cheers!

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    I would recommend *against* Nevegals for the following reasons:

    1 - at pressures above 30psi the traction isn't that great IMO on loose $hit
    2 - at pressures below 30psi the traction is decent, but the pinch flats are CONSTANT if you're an aggressive rider in rough terrain

    As always, YMMV.

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    Big rubber ones. I run my tires until near bald in back for two reasons. If I didn't I'd be replacing them almost monthly .

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    I would recommend *against* Nevegals for the following reasons:

    1 - at pressures above 30psi the traction isn't that great IMO on loose $hit
    2 - at pressures below 30psi the traction is decent, but the pinch flats are CONSTANT if you're an aggressive rider in rough terrain

    As always, YMMV.
    Tubes? I keep them in my pack where they belong, so that they never pinch

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    Quote Originally Posted by YRG View Post
    Tubes? I keep them in my pack where they belong, so that they never pinch
    Heh.

    I can't speak to the tubeless version of Nev's.

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    I also just returned from Moab and ran 2.4 Maxxis Ardent EXO's front and back, tubeless on a Pivot 5.7c and was absolutely blown away with how much I liked them. My current favorite. They gripped everywhere, no burping at 26 psi rear, 22 psi front, no loss of pressure, very little wear and the volume allowed them to float through sand better than any other tire I've used. I've ridden Moab on those, the Psycho Genius 2.4, Weirwolf LT 2.55, Mountain King 2.4 protection, X King 2.4 protection, 2.35 Nevegal DTC and maybe some others I can't recall. I'd avoid any Schwalbe Evo due to the expense of replacing them after they get trashed, and any Continental lighter than a protection model for the same reason. I'm not a Nevegal fan, generally (the 2.35 is really kind of small). I was tempted to go trail king 2.4 up front (a huge tire!) and 2.4 mountain king rear (smaller) but didn't and am very happy with the Ardents.

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    Just run last years DH tires. Friends don't let friends run XC tires in Moab!

    I had great luck with a 2.4 Telonix on the front my last trip down (heavy walled single ply tire) at 25 psi set up tubeless on a Flow rim. I always run a 2Ply wire bead DH tire on the back though. YMMV.

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