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    New question here. "Trials Only"

    Fellow...

    ... Urban DJ Park users I hope we won't offend you by having a "Trials Only" thread in your forum as we have no where else to post and feel your audience is more suited to our presence!

    Thanks...

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    Good job!

    I'll start it off and hope others join us...
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    Trials!!!

    I'm on-board! let's start with the basics
    Balance: This is not a trials specific skill. All forms of cycling benefit from a mastery of balance.
    Start your life as a trials rider by standing perpendicular to a wall with either you front or rear tire butted against it (I recommend rear) level the pedals and hold the rear brake.Stand on the bike. The wall will "dampen" you movements giving you more time to react and familiarize yourself with body position etc. (You can use the front wheel but it makes you reliant on turning inputs instead of weight shifting, more on that later.) By butting the wall you tire act as a sort of side-to-side brake. You need to learn to distribute your weight equally on the pedals and not let your leading foot rest on the brake. The wall is the perfect training ground...They are pretty easy to come by, free to use, and most people have 4 minimum in their possession.

    (Rodies practice on an incline. Any sloped suburban driveway will suffice. with the bike pointed uphill, with the wheel turned to the Left or Right, it is possible to control ones balance by pedaling forward or rolling back. THIS IS POOR PRACTICE FOR TRIALS!!!)
    You cannot use turning inputs to ride/balance on a plank, since you will ultimately end up on narrow surfaces it is best to avoid any practice inapplicable to them.

    once you can balance against the wall you graduate to:
    -Just balancing, at first feel free to hop the front and rear around, But DO NOT bunny hop around!!!!!!!
    -If you get that down, No more hopping, None at all! Keep each tire in it's original contact patch
    -Then do it sitting in the seat ( i find this most challenging) you will likely never sit or squat this low but by moving your center of mass closer to the center of rotation you force yourself to learn finesse. if you master the low position then when you go back to standing it will seem like child's play.
    -Then do it (back in the standing position) on a length of 2x4.
    -Then elevate one end or the other of said 2x4 by 4-8" this changes the feel and now brake control is required.

    Once your balancing with the rear of the 2x4 at max height, go find things outside to balance on. start short and wide and then graduate to short and narrow then tall and wide and so on. parking curbstones are perfect for beginners.

    If you start off with an impeccable ability to control your bicycles side to side motions, all of the more advance moves and their respective techniques will be 60% easier to learn.
    this method takes longer to earn but in the end you'll leave the wheel turners and bunny-hoppers behind. They just cant hack it on the more advanced obstacles.

    I was a wheel turner who got to advanced class and couldn't hack it, so I started hopping. That took me higher in the ranks but when I watched the Expert guys ride the sections they just RODE THE BIKE with NATURAL BALANCE.
    It took me almost year to forget old habits and re-learn how to ride.

    watch the videos on this page for instruction in other areas
    Beginner Trials Videos - Observed Trials Bike Forum

    P.S. Being able to balance makes you look like a BAMF (builds your core&abs) and makes you better at everything...well almost.
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    How about someone throw down some info about bikes and equipment for us Luddites? TIA.

    P.S. pics usually make for a better thread and usually net more rep points.

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    I love trials. Anyone who want to improve at any type of riding whether its DH,FR,AM or XC should ride trials for at least a year. I surprise the heck out of people when I start pedal kicking through a rock garden on my 29r. Heres a few of mine.

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    Good job!

    Now were roll'in...

    ... may I add we need to get trials more mainstream, most people think they can't ride trials, need a special bike or only see the pros doing their stuff! Don't get me wrong the pros are the ambassadors of our sport and the best form of advertising that we all love to view.

    Learning simple trials skills make you a better rider even if only ride the road.

    Great start!

    I hope we can add more:

    Instructional vids
    Trials bike manufacturers list
    Events list
    Bike trials links

    I have included a pic, remember this guy?
    JJ Gregorowicz at Motorama a few years back, and a more recent pic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NEPMTBA View Post
    I have included a pic, remember this guy?
    I dont recognize...maybe a better picture?

    Edit:I know JJ...didnt recognize the pic.
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    Heres a few of my favorite vids....



    After School

    This next one is my all time favorite. It doesnt have the big production or cool music a Danny Mac vid has but its amazing none the less.

    Go Big or Go home

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    last video is a bad link.

    I'm not really big on 360&backflip crowd. I'd hate to see our sport end up like motocross racing...it used to be a circuit you raced on, now its a big air comp with auxiliary bumps. Trials is about mounting obstacles, not flipping and spinning or wallrides...that's what we have BMX for.

    Equipment- you can ride trials on ANY bike! though most prefer purpose built trials frames or dirt jumpers.

    Brakes most guys run Magura Hs33's on the rear and V or disk up front. Serious trials rides grind their wheels to rough up the sidewalls. (I'm yet to see anyone do it right, bunch or kids with angle grinders...) some even tar the rear rim to make it sticky (I find air filter "oil" from motorcycle shops works much better) basically to a trials rider the rear brake lever is an ON/OFF switch.

    Seats are optional, I prefer a fender to keep me from snagging my rear in the wheel

    Handle bars, Wide bars long stem, Low! trials guys ride bent over to center their weight. The position is optimized for pedal kicking/riding the rear wheel. Bars are heavy duty. wanna see someone cry? keep your eye on the guy with cheap bars!!!!

    Forks again heavy duty little or no rake.

    Pedals platform, Wellgo MG-1!!!!

    Wheels are mostly Echos with the cutouts.

    One thing to keep in mind; This is a comfortable sport. By that I mean confidence is bred through rider comfort, ergonomics and familiarity. a guy with the exact same build as me may prefer higher bars, longer cranks, a different gear ratio. On that same note There could be 2 pros of exactly the same build who, if forced to ride a foreign bike, couldn't remain competitive. Your bike is a very Very personal thing in trials.


    ( For those, if any, interested in full suspension trials...Our form of riding is so much more tame. It's less like a unicycle with handlebars and more like old moto-trials. We don't have guidelines or specific setups yet. Heck we're still trying to find what frame shape works best. there are however, some rough pointers. PM me and I'll be happy to help you out)

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    Quote Originally Posted by leshaghal View Post
    last video is a bad link.

    I'm not really big on 360&backflip crowd. I'd hate to see our sport end up like motocross racing...it used to be a circuit you raced on, now its a big air comp with auxiliary bumps. Trials is about mounting obstacles, not flipping and spinning or wallrides...that's what we have BMX for.
    Oh man I cant believe that vid is gone. I just watched it. It was a huge double side hop up a rock wall by Keita. Totally crazy vid.

    HERES a different one of Keita.

    ANOTHER

    There is still pure trials out there. The 360/backflip stuff your talking about is another game IMO. More about art,expression and flow. Its such a blast to put together a nice line and nail it. Awesome in its own right but not pure trials I agree.

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    In the youtube video "ANOTHER" you see that natural balance I'm talking about.

    at 0:56 he cocks the wheel and spins the bike, most mod riders would have hopped or laid the front down and walked it in Leach style (front then rear, over and over until lined up)
    Then a 2:29 he just hangs out while looking for a solid launch point.

    This is the type of balance I'm talking about. once you're, for lack of a better term, Zen with the bike...the rest comes easy.

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    Here is mine.
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    Somersaults... that's how I roll.

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    You force my hand...

    Ok kids, put your mods away and let the big kids play...

    Took this picture the day I got it.
    I have a separate super short seat-post for trials. Wellgo Mg-1s. 850lb spring on a fox vanilla in the back (144mm of travel at the wheel) 45psi in each leg of the forks (120mm of travel) Koolstop pads in rear, 50lb Sachs "Power Disk" brake in front. IRC Mythos II front and rear respectively.
    She tips the scales at 34lbs + me = 256lbs being humped around...Welcome to the real world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leshaghal View Post
    Ok kids, put your mods away and let the big kids play...

    Took this picture the day I got it.
    I have a separate super short seat-post for trials. Wellgo Mg-1s. 850lb spring on a fox vanilla in the back (144mm of travel at the wheel) 45psi in each leg of the forks (120mm of travel) Koolstop pads in rear, 50lb Sachs "Power Disk" brake in front. IRC Mythos II front and rear respectively.
    She tips the scales at 34lbs + me = 256lbs being humped around...Welcome to the real world.
    Respect!

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    Quote Originally Posted by briantortilla View Post
    Here is mine.



    That is one sick piece of work.

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    Had to go dig up pics of my old trials bike from 10 years ago:



    Worst bike-sale choice I ever made

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    Nice!

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    Bump, as this pertains to my interests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leshaghal View Post
    I'm on-board! let's start with the basics
    Balance
    Hi leshaghal, I tried your method yesterday. Sad to say I fail miserably. Mind to advise on a more detailed note on this method? My main problem is on how to mount onto the bike? Where the pedals should be? Also would lesser air in the tires help in this case?

    I'm practicing 'rolling track stand'. Easiest for me is when my lead foot (right) is lower than my trailing foot (left) with the handlebar tilted to the left.

    Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaizer View Post
    Hi leshaghal, I tried your method yesterday. Sad to say I fail miserably. Mind to advise on a more detailed note on this method? My main problem is on how to mount onto the bike? Where the pedals should be? Also would lesser air in the tires help in this case?

    I'm practicing 'rolling track stand'. Easiest for me is when my lead foot (right) is lower than my trailing foot (left) with the handlebar tilted to the left.

    Thanks in advance.
    Dont practice with less air in the tires. Practice with the same amount of air you would normally have. It may be a little harder but in the end it will make you a better rider.


    Here just watch THIS video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhack View Post
    Dont practice with less air in the tires. Practice with the same amount of air you would normally have. It may be a little harder but in the end it will make you a better rider.


    Here just watch THIS video.
    I'm cross dominance. But why would eye dominance have a role in trackstanding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaizer View Post
    I'm cross dominance. But why would eye dominance have a role in trackstanding?
    Lol....sorry about that. Wrong link.

    Try this link. That should help.

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    And I was under the impression that eye dominance thingy has a zen to trials... LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaizer View Post
    And I was under the impression that eye dominance thingy has a zen to trials... LOL
    Actually it does, thats why i had that link saved. Its more so with Moto Trials though. It's supposed to be easier to balance with the wheel turned so that the hand that is forward is the same side as your dominant eye. For me it's the opposite. So who knows.

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    Hah! That's my problem if that's the case. Cross dominance.

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    ^ Sweet ride.

    Kaiser, go to a rough wall (brick is idea) and but your rear tire against that wall, level the pedals (in your case right pedal forward) hold the rear brake, star with right foot on and lift your left, you'll do a ton of dabbing at first but keep with it. you'll hit 10 seconds...then 30...then a minute...and so on and so forth.

    (if it seems too hard and your confident in your bike's build use the front wheel) shift your hips and put weight on the high hand...a little bit goes a long way and you'll overcompensate at first.

    If this is too difficult we'll just go back a step. Ride around super slowly stopping to balance instead of dabbing just ride forward a bit.

    I say rolling track stands are BS but that's just me. they never helped me. you'll naturally roll back and forth an inch or so when you get better, but on narrow slopes (up or downhill) you have to use your weight...see if that works for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idig2000 View Post
    NOS Planet X Zebdi. Built up a couple years back.
    I just finished up my prototype zebdi rebuild!
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    Quote Originally Posted by idig2000 View Post
    NOS Planet X Zebdi. Built up a couple years back.
    I had one...sick bike! You wanna have fun with that take it to a pump track and let the craziness ensue!

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    How about this one....

    trials frame built up for the park









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    Quote Originally Posted by eastcoaststeve View Post
    How about this one....

    trials frame built up for the park









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    Holy crap...a FTW~WTF. Let me know when you wanna sell it!

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    Guys, what gearing you all are using?

    I'm thinking of going 26x20. A mix between trials and trails riding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhack View Post
    Holy crap...a FTW~WTF. Let me know when you wanna sell it!

    Seriously never gonna happen ...this one is way special, and I was very lucky to get my mitts on it...if you really want a WTF though, I do know where you can get one




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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaizer View Post
    Guys, what gearing you all are using?

    I'm thinking of going 26x20. A mix between trials and trails riding?
    I'm using 22 front/19 rear.

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    32front,26rear 175mm cranks. sometimes i'll use 28-30 rear it makes spot jumping easier but with my heavy bike it's harder to lift the front end up.

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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by eastcoaststeve View Post
    How about this one....

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    Man, your over the top now my friend!

    Dats da cool one!

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    Oh hell ya trials!

    So I got a winter project; converting a DMR trailstar to trials duty. And I have a question.

    The whole drivetrain thing with trials confuses the heck out of me. You have to run tiny gearing, sometimes the freewheel is on the cranks, sometimes its on the back, how many engagement points?, blah, blah, blah.

    So here is my plan; I have an extra Rhino Lite XL rim I want to build up into a beefy rear wheel. For drive train I have an FSA gravity crankset laying around that I will throw a 22 tooth ring and a bash guard onto. For the rear hub I was thinking a DMR revolver SS hub paired with a Rockman 108 freewheel (18T) would get the job done for cheap.

    This is my first foray into building a trials bike, and I really want to utilize the spare parts I have around the house, but any modifications or suggestions would be helpful.

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    Wink

    Sometimes s88t just happens...

    ... and it creates stories and good times beyond belief

    So we have the "WIT" short for (What is That) as kindly tagged by others who saw it and viewed as like no other they had ever seen before! (you know they were thinking POS as you also might be doing) Carved from a more useful BMX frame that none of us had any use for, "Hey why would we ride BMX anymore we had things with throttles now!

    You have to understand the WIT was created back in the 1980s! when we used to race Moto-x(and a few of us followed the bicycle trials guys like Kev Norton and Ryan Young)... yes I'm that old, when trials bicycles had to be custom built rather then bought! So, this led to making really strange stuff with whatever was laying around.. LOL, in an effort to psych out our Moto competition.

    Of course there is always a reason for such foolishness, in the fabrication of BS stories like "Ya I built that and it made my balance so much better now I will get the holeshot on you every week!...LMAO

    Like the proverbial piece of junk with chainstays that are too long, brakes that couldn't stop a kids tricycle going uphill, one piece BMX cranks weighing a ton, homemade 24 inch fork, "ultra light" electrical tape cable holders, it has spent the last 20 plus years holding down the dust bunnies in the darkest corner of the shop, having conversations with BIG BLACK HAIRY SPIDERS! Till today! I blame all of you for it's return, knowing it's not a piece of gold, but an old friend that was a great way to get to moto registration rather than walking. To be honest none of us back then could do a "trialesque" move to save our lives!...LOL

    Does it deserve an update? Heck can it be updated? What would the update be? New air in the tires? LMAO

    I can tell you it's a def on hauling to the winter series Moto races just to see if it garners it's namesake WIT, just don't know if I can ride it to registration!
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    NEPTMBA, That thing is a beast!

    I would say go shred it, but I wouldn't want you to end up with a wicked case of tetanus when those stamped dropouts snap!

    Thank you for sharing.

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    Good job! Blind bike trials

    Matt Gilman, one of only known trials rider in the world...that's blind. Truly inspiring while he makes things look really easy. Trust me, next time you go out and ride, close your eyes. It's next to impossible to trackstand without falling over (and he can pull a manual).


    Blind Bike Trials, Fox45 news cover story - YouTube

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    Bump this, maybe it'll gain some traction.

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    Good job!

    Doing a little promoting over in the 29er forum...

    ... hope they visit here!

    check it out!
    Trials or "-esque" moves with 29ers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEPMTBA View Post
    Doing a little promoting over in the 29er forum...

    ... hope they visit here!

    check it out!
    Trials or "-esque" moves with 29ers?
    Well, it worked

    I saw your little ad in the 29er forum, though it was due to the word "trial" in the thread title.....I wouldn't be caught dead on a 29er

    I just built up a DJ/Trial bike this summer, and have so far managed to get a reasonable degree of balance.
    I look forward to the spring, when training becomes a lot nicer.

    Magura

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    Good job!

    Avoid da Lloyd...

    ... naw he's a nice guy!


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    Cool vid


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    Picked this up a week ago. It's a 26" Inspired Element. I've been interested in trials since I started mountain biking, but never took the plunge. Glad I did, practicing trials skills on a XC bike with clipless pedals SUCKS! I've been riding it every day, and have progressed more in the last week than in the last 3 or 4 years combined.
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