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    Stuff or P.2 cr-mo

    i was wondering whether i should get an '08 kona stuff, or a 08 specialized P.2 cr-mo. im gonna be doing about 40% street, 40% DJs, 10% park, and 10% just messin around.
    the P.2 looks like its spec'd better for the money, but the Stuff, ive heard alot of good things about? what would be best?
    and last i was wondering on sizing, im pretty sure i want a small, but would that get too small? im 5'8 but only 14 so im still growing pretty fast.
    OH and i forgot, this is also going to be my 4X bike, and ill be racing pretty seriously.

    thanks for your help so much!

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    For the lower weight due to the aluminum frame and better stiffness also due to the aluminum frame, the kona would be my bet if you are considering racing a lot. The more laid back angles will help keep the bike stable at speed, and the longish chainstays will help put the power down without the front lifting needlessly. Plus Kona's handle like a champ in the air.

    It will feel sloppy on the street riding though, no way around that, the very things that make it so stable and at home on the DJ's is what holds it back on street riding.

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    ya i guess your right, how about the build though?

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    I would add the stp to your list, it gives you the best of both worlds

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    Quote Originally Posted by atomrcrkhsbiker
    I would add the stp to your list, it gives you the best of both worlds
    True, the geared setup with a lightweight wheelset with narrow knobby tires(larsen TT 1.9's for example) could make it pretty much race ready. Kind of a nervous bike but I like it that way.

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    ya your right, but right now the stuff seems like the best choice, the stp might be the one though

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    Try riding both, my LBS stocks both bikes at all times of the year, they are usually good sellers, you're bound to find some shop in your city which has either in stock.

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    allright, that sounds good, but what about sizing? i'm coming from DH/FR so i know you want a small size but how tall can i get away with a size small

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    Im 5 foot 9 almost 15 do 45% dirt 45% street 10% park and All i do is mess arround on a bike
    I do 4x and Dual slolem occasionaly its awesom and i wish i did it more
    OH YA the important part
    I HAVE AN STP
    Like atom said it excelly in all fields
    Its chain stay isnt as long as the kona but it helps me really carve the corners
    You should read some of my first threads they were all about wheather i should get the Stuff or STP (as anyone can atest to)
    What it really came down to was the STP would be great at street and the Kona would not
    The Kona build wasnot as nice for the price either
    Also its geo makes it a great jumper
    Plus its a lighter frame than the kona

    The Kona is not a bad bike by any streatch but my 2 cents is get the STP you will have more fun with it
    If you have any other questions about the STP ask i will be more than happy to awnser
    PS The frame size i have is a large
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    why a large?, i thought like a small or med? well iguess im going to the stp now...

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    STP only has two sizes
    Hucks to Fackie

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    i guess i mean regular, but ya im really leaning to the stp

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    ive got an STP...

    its great bike for the money excells on DJ's and street (park)

    never raced 4x with it though
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    I have a 07 STP and I don't think it would be a great choice for 4X. IMO it's great for street and in tight DJ's it's very nimble. I have been on a few light trails and it's tail is not agreeable. Great on hard-pack and street. I'm 5''9' and I have the reg. size. Perfect fit.

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    you could build the stp to a good 4xbike no doubt
    *B* and bbrz4 what sizes u guyes got
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    ive got the small and its about the right size, just a bit too big

    although im a midget at 5'
    im 14
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    Quote Originally Posted by bbrz4
    ive got the small and its about the right size, just a bit too big

    although im a midget at 5'
    im 14
    size regular.....are you saying that's what you have too?

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    is there a small?

    if theres not i must have the regular (if its the smallest size)
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    the long version just gives you a little more room to move around and the only thing that changes from the regular is the toptube is an inch longer.

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    P2 Cro-Mo only comes in one size--a long. It has plenty of standover. If you're 5'8" and growing it'll be fine. It's a nice bike and has a decent build. One advantage over the Stuff is it comes with horizontal dropouts it you ever want to go single-speed. And I like the cro-mo if you plan on riding it hard and are worried about wrecking it on concrete (holds up better than alum). It's way too heavy to race. My big complaint (and others too) is the low BB. You need to watch the inside pedal if you're hammering in a turn. And the BB5 brakes suck (don't know what the '08 gets). Other than that, I like my P2.

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    hey *B*, or anyone else, what would i have to do to make the stp more 4x ready? cause i pretty much decided on it

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    I would say seek out some 4x racers.....don't want to give the wrong advice.

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    lots of lighter parts and low rolling resistance tires, but it comes pretty well equiped for 4x stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coley
    hey *B*, or anyone else, what would i have to do to make the stp more 4x ready? cause i pretty much decided on it
    Lightweight wheelset with good engagement in the rear, a good set of rubber, a light fork that can be adjusted to have little to no pedal bob, a chainguide if the bike does not already have one.

    Legs.

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    i have an 07 stuff and i dont really know why these guys say it sucks for street... imo it is just as good if not better on street than dj, with that said i think you should go with a stp as the 08 stuff is absolute cr*p.
    try or die

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