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    Roots of all creation

    check check it y'all

    so, where did our current stuff come from, build upon, grow from?
    some don't believe in evolution, say they ain't no monkey, don't swim like a tadpole or climb no trees.
    Say their Nicolai TSR g-boxx was made directly in the image of the bicycle dog backwards himself, not no inferior little wheel rigid nonsense. well, this all jive people!
    check the scriptures themselves... behold!
    amen, all praise the welder!
    I'm in no way attempting to start a debate on any beliefs here other than those about bicycles themselves, so please keep any others to yourself.







    make way for the elders, I wish to hear them speaketh the truth to us! Let it be told before the thousands of us, well, the 12 of us, here on the urban/dj/park board...
    yeah, these were just a tiny sample of some of the sweetness I've found, in no way represents necessarily the best of the best, but you get the idea...

    and, well, if you find no interest in the above subject, at least throw up a comment admitting your jealousy for the mad style expressed above...





    I just had to add, yes I realize I forgot to add some sweet photos of the pnw OG mtb crew up here, but this is more related to the roots of dj/street/park riding, which in my opinion came from bmx, but I could have included some cool pictures of ritchey, fisher, and those guys as well... maybe further down the line some day. I think evil4bc is building a bike for a movie those guys are doing or something, I could be wrong, but I read something about it somehwere... like the dogtown and z-boys of mtb maybe...
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    Ohhhhh mannn. Now that's some funky sh1t. I love it.

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    Nice post.

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    I remember some of those ad's in BMX plus when I was a teen

    Eddie Fiola was my hero in the 80's and the GT performer was my favorite bike though my parents wouldn't/couldn't afford to buy me one.
    I couldn't find a pair of Vans locally to save my life and the chrome laid-back post raised to the minimum insertion mark with the hard plastic seat proudly poised a foot or better from the frame was the way to roll.

    ...And what about those really cool goggles and protective mask's!!!!

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    Word. Have you seen Joe Kid on a Stingray??? It's like dogtown but for BMX. It's a documentary on the history of BMX, starting with the Schwinn Stingray, released in 1963, then into racing, starting about '70, and then into freestyle. I still haven't seen the whole thing... stupid DVD is fycked up!!

    And, of course, then there's Rad... only the greatest BMX movie ever made!!! Think about this... Bart Taylor would have kicked Cru Jones' azz all over Hell Track if he would have been on a MTB.

    Here's one of my old school favorites. Harry Leary. He basically invented the turndown and lookback. Although, what he does is called a "leary."


    Yeah, the GT Performer was rad. Check out this bad boy...


    Ever done one of these...

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    Roots....


    Mike Savage, Factory Crit Plate, CT rider, fast as sh!t, sick jumper. Word is this dude still kicks ass on a BMX bike. Very clicked turndown on a 24" bike before a lot of you guys were born (1986).


    Me, leary on some jumps in my parents backyard. Hutch was one of the bikes that had decent geometry back then.


    Me, can-can x out of a jump pit I built. You can see the berm for my practice track in the background goes from one group of birches to the other. I can't begin to estimate how much dirt that wheelbarrow moved.


    Cap't Kirk Crisco, euro table tire grab and timeless style.


    Mike Buff, roofdrop to flat w/ a 20" BMX bike. Buff, RL, and Haro were the guys that brought freestylin' to level like racing.


    Mad Dog Moeller, bringing riding to the next step around 1987.


    Michael Crehan, sooo flipping fast with a ton of power. He would have leads measured in straighaways not bike lengths.

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    YES. Tell it how it was, Old School. I'm going to bring back that can-can x-up as soon as I get my new frame. Done one of those lately??? What about the leary? Still doin that? You should be!!! That opposite (downside) table tire grab is pimp.
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    Sweet pics and great idea BikeSATORI. OMG I HATE mag wheels. I'm not even sure why. They just make me angry. Here's a clip from RAD.

    <object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/0KUJXXEoXp0"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/0KUJXXEoXp0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>
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    Yikes. We need to add about 10 years onto that age. Unless she's a smokin hottie, then maybe 5...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cru Jones
    YES. Tell it how it was, Old School. I'm going to bring back that can-can x-up as soon as I get my new frame. Done one of those lately??? What about the leary? Still doin that? You should be!!! That opposite (downside) table tire grab is pimp.
    Cru, the reason for your handle just clicked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cru Jones
    Yikes. We need to add about 10 years onto that age. Unless she's a smokin hottie, then maybe 5...

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    ^YEAH!! There I go.^ Some bicycle boogie with aunt Becky. Check out the suits on the Reynolds twins... looks like they are in Star Fleet.

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    defconfour, thanks for posting up, most excellent pics and commentary! never heard the "euro" table, but it's stylee.

    The little Rad clip is sweet too.
    some of those tricks almost make me want to run a fixed gear.
    did anyone see the clip posted in the dh/fr forum of the Chinese chick doing the bike ballet stuff? pretty similar. just sit back and relax and do about 3dozen barspins, haha....


    and speaking of mag wheels... If I were to run a molly, fallguy, or geekhouse, etc. (bmx spacing), I almost thought about putting a set of sealed skyways on there... but yeah, I know how you feel, I held a hatred for them for quite some time as well... although, I was also obsessed with the Tioga disc drive wheel too back in the early mtb days... they are now going for quite the pretty penny today... too bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cru Jones
    YES. Tell it how it was, Old School. I'm going to bring back that can-can x-up as soon as I get my new frame. Done one of those lately??? What about the leary? Still doin that? You should be!!! That opposite (downside) table tire grab is pimp.
    nah, I haven't done a can can x, in years. I think the last one was in '96 or 97 on my OG Profile cruiser. I might have to try and relearn them - IIRC they just need commitment.

    No on the Leary too - although I would love to relearn turndowns. I try them into foam when I go to the skatepark - which is once every 3 months.

    I had a pic of me doing a euro tire grab BITD but can't remember where it is. It definitely wasn't as smooth as Capt Kirk.

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    Check this out. A 1982 26" BMX bike. What the hell??? Why did it take another 20+ years for this to reappear?

    http://www.bmxmuseum.com/bikes/panda/15

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cru Jones
    Check this out. A 1982 26" BMX bike. What the hell??? Why did it take another 20+ years for this to reappear?

    http://www.bmxmuseum.com/bikes/panda/15
    Nice link Cru,
    here we go, Panda action from a good year:

    this chick is hot... some fit style:



    and what about this! I knew a kid who might still have one of these actually!

    I've actually had the mtb version on my list of bikes to get and build up, but haven't found any in decent condition for a price I could afford. and no, I don't want a new one.
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    That Sling Shot is crazy... never seen one of those.

    Here's one of my favorite seens from Rad. The intro...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD5riS3DB6k

    Kids, if you haven't seen this movie... please check it out!!! DVDs on Ebay.

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    ha, you guys is old

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    Here's the real 26" bmx original- the SE Racing OM flyer. OM stands for Old Man Scot Breithaupt- he basically invented bmx racing in the 70s and the best frames of the time. http://www.bmxmuseum.com/bikes/se_racing/115
    Consider too that I worked in a shop and we used to take GT 24" and Race Inc 26" bmx cruisers and spread the rear end to fit in a 6 speed cluster to make MTBs in 1983. We sent them to some friends that lived in a little town called Moab.
    I think somehow a bunch of roadies took over the sport and decided to make bikes that were meant for climbing since they didn't know how to jump or descend. Its taken years to reverse that damage.

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    more rarities, oddities, and eccentricities:






    Way early stuff, like this antique version of Cliff Huckstable:

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    [QUOTE=Cru Jones]
    And, of course, then there's Rad... only the greatest BMX movie ever made!!! Think about this... Bart Taylor would have kicked Cru Jones' azz all over Hell Track if he would have been on a MTB.[QUOTE=Cru Jones]


    Bart Taylor would have won if he hadn't waited up Cru under the bridge.
    "Reynolds is hit! Taylor takes his own man out! Goodnight team strategy."

    But seriously, I saw that movie when I was six. Nothings been the same since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayndar
    Consider too that I worked in a shop and we used to take GT 24" and Race Inc 26" bmx cruisers and spread the rear end to fit in a 6 speed cluster to make MTBs in 1983. We sent them to some friends that lived in a little town called Moab.
    I think somehow a bunch of roadies took over the sport and decided to make bikes that were meant for climbing since they didn't know how to jump or descend. Its taken years to reverse that damage.
    Ha! I just read this one, somehow missed it earlier... but man, that is great...
    I like the last two lines... quality! very nice Wayndar.
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    BikeSATORI - Some very cool pics there! I remember seeing the Panda PRO-AM ad BITD in the magazines. I also remember the Cook Bros, Champion, and CW Z frames well.

    Wayndar - I agree entirely. Rides should be about how many jumps you hit not how many miles! Cool to hear about the GT's and Race Inc's. And the OM Flyer is as cool as a bike can get. Factory SE ruled back then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by free rider
    ha, you guys is old
    If you're lucky, maybe someday you can be an OG. But, you best not fake the funk. Remember that bicycles are meant to fly. And spandex causes funk faking. May the force be with you my young apprentice...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cru Jones
    Check this out. A 1982 26" BMX bike. What the hell??? Why did it take another 20+ years for this to reappear?

    http://www.bmxmuseum.com/bikes/panda/15

    Ha hahahahah
    PANDA bikes ... LOL

    Funny story I was at a Thai resturant in Berkely and the guy behind the counter herd us talking about bmx bikes and he piped up ... " I used to own PANDA BMX , my cousin can get you complete bikes from Taiwan for $40 complete lol "


    For some "REAL " old school flavor I got the ORIGNAL SKYWAY TA weld sample frame ! and the orignal streetbeat front triangle weld sample
    Along with enough tubes to do 5-6 complete TA frames
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil4bc
    For some "REAL " old school flavor I got the ORIGNAL SKYWAY TA weld sample frame ! and the orignal streetbeat front triangle weld sample
    Along with enough tubes to do 5-6 complete TA frames
    Well, build up one of those suckuz and post some pics!! It's not like you have anything else to do...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cru Jones
    That Sling Shot is crazy... never seen one of those.

    Here's one of my favorite seens from Rad. The intro...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD5riS3DB6k

    Kids, if you haven't seen this movie... please check it out!!! DVDs on Ebay.

    The opening is the best part of the movie ... you can see the custom GT Eddie Fiola rode at pipe line ... it had 24"x 1.5's on it he swore it rode tranny better than a 20"

    80's trivia ... Hal Neidleham directed RAd and Cannonball run .. I love the 80's
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    Brad - I think you meant 20x1 3/8" on Fiola's bike.

    BTW, where did you get Skyway teardrop tubes and the original weld sample T/A?! I'm sure some of the guys on Vintage BMX would freak seeing that stuff.

    Back in the old days, one of my riding buddies split the HT off a T/A at my house trying to jump a triple I made. Reason? He was running those skinny 1 3/8" wheels and the lip was still kinda fresh. He sunk in a bit, and nose cased the landing with a real loud crack noise. Luckily he was fine - but had to walk home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by defconfour
    Brad - I think you meant 20x1 3/8" on Fiola's bike.

    BTW, where did you get Skyway teardrop tubes and the original weld sample T/A?! I'm sure some of the guys on Vintage BMX would freak seeing that stuff.

    Back in the old days, one of my riding buddies split the HT off a T/A at my house trying to jump a triple I made. Reason? He was running those skinny 1 3/8" wheels and the lip was still kinda fresh. He sunk in a bit, and nose cased the landing with a real loud crack noise. Luckily he was fine - but had to walk home.

    Nope .. Eddie rode 24's watch the opening when he doesn the foot plant on the fence at pipeline .

    Ah the skyway stuff ... Skyway gave me a bunch of the tubesets before they closed up the wearhouse on their property were they stored all the old bike stuff.

    I still pissed they ddint give me any spinmasters though ... some BS about Oddssey's patent
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    The history of radness is going on over at VintageBMX...

    http://www.vintagebmx.com/

    Gotta have a pic of one of these up in here. The bike that started it all... the Schwinn Stingray...

    schwinn1.jpg

    Didn't I just see somebody crackin a joke about a no-handed manual? Check this... a no-handed wheelie...

    No hander wheelie.jpg

    Joe Kid on a Stingray = good stuff...

    http://www.joekidonastingray.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil4bc
    Nope .. Eddie rode 24's watch the opening when he doesn the foot plant on the fence at pipeline .

    Ah the skyway stuff ... Skyway gave me a bunch of the tubesets before they closed up the wearhouse on their property were they stored all the old bike stuff.

    I still pissed they ddint give me any spinmasters though ... some BS about Oddssey's patent
    Damn, I always thought Fiola rode 20x1 3/8" for a while. I checked Vintage too and they're talking 1 3/8" rims as well: http://www.vintagebmx.com/cgi-bin/ul...3;t=008082;p=1 but I'll search some more on the site and see if I can find a post from Fiola himself on the wheels he ran.

    I do remember a shot of RL and him doing airs on a ramp on the cover of BMXA for the cruiser roundup test. Did he have a custom Pro Performer frame & fork made to run 24's? And which company made 24x1.5 rims back then? I thought the choices were 24x1.75's but I'm guessing Fiola ran a lot of custom stuff.

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    My old school contribution

    Late 80's on my GT pro freestyle tour.


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    Very nice thread. I want even more retro pics. Makes me feel way young. I'm not even 18 yet.

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    I love this thread

    The 80's was sweet!!!

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    Pics of a few legends...

    Ron Wilkerson


    Bob Haro


    Eddie Fiola


    Dave Voelker


    Chris "Maddog" Moeller


    Dennis McCoy


    One of my favorites, one of the original dirt jumpers, Fuzzy Hall


    15 year old Jay Miron


    15 year old Dave Mirra


    A 13 year old named Mat Hoffman
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cru Jones
    If you're lucky, maybe someday you can be an OG. But, you best not fake the funk. Remember that bicycles are meant to fly. And spandex causes funk faking. May the force be with you my young apprentice...
    man, i didnt catch a word you just said.....rock on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FalconAR
    "Reynolds is hit! Taylor takes his own man out! Goodnight team strategy."

    But seriously, I saw that movie when I was six. Nothings been the same since.
    "It's Hollywood Mike Miranda... with his second dramatic exit of the day."

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    The Roots Live On

    OK, I'm not going to let this thread die.

    I came across this pic over at Tonic Fab's site. Most people can't get tables this flat off a jump... Dave Vanderspeck does it off of a bunnyhop...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cru Jones
    OK, I'm not going to let this thread die.

    I came across this pic over at Tonic Fab's site. Most people can't get tables this flat off a jump... Dave Vanderspeck does it off of a bunnyhop...

    yeah, keep'er rollin'!

    damn, just imagine the massive stuff he could clear with a 180 and that move!!?

    I like the two people to the right of the pic on rollerskates, just standing there like, eh, what the hell is this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cru Jones
    OK, I'm not going to let this thread die.

    I came across this pic over at Tonic Fab's site. Most people can't get tables this flat off a jump... Dave Vanderspeck does it off of a bunnyhop...

    That... is awesome. I've seriously never seen a bunnyhop table off FLAT GROUND before.

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    Dave Vanderspeck! right on. It looks like he's table 180ing. A friend of mine in SLC has a similar style and is still riding like that. I was riding with him and he literally tore the head tube off a CW bunnyhopping on flat ground in a parking lot.

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    That first redline was my first "real" bike as a kid. I think I was 7 or 8 when I got it and rode it for years. My best friend had a hutch something or other....it was all chrome with black "HUTCH" on the downtube....that's all I remember. Over one christmas break, we got together with about 10 neighborhood kids (we were about 10 years old at the time) and made a "hell track" like the movie. For the start, we tore through a fence and used a drainage culvert as the drop-in. Some of the jumps were alright but many were plywood over coolers and log piles with 2x8s over them etc. We spent that entire 2 weeks (christmas vacation) doing nothing but building and riding that track. It was nice having absolutely no responsibilities except making it home for dinner. Those were good days. I wish I could see that bike again but I don't remember what happened to it after I found girls and cars.

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    Man, i had two Kuwahara's when i was a kid. I gave them to my brother to look after when i joined the military out of highschool. That fat bastard got them both ripped off with in year. I still am pissed off at him for that, and that was like 20 years ago, hehe. There is a new set of Tuff wheels hanging up in a local bike shop. I wish i had a worthy 20" to put them on. They were the **** when i was a kid.

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    I am old - here are a few items from my entire collection of freetylin i found recently.








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    OK, some of these guys weren't exactly around at the roots of creation... but, IMO, here are some of the most stylish dirt jumpers of all time...

    Tim "Fuzzy" Hall






    TJ Lavin






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    Shaun Butler





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    Cru-

    Fuzzy was one of the pioneers of modern dirt jumping and can definitely be classified as Roots. He and Mad Dog were in a lot of issues of BMXA during the mid-late 80's. They were the BMX Action testers at the time.

    A couple of covers from 1987.





    http://www.23mag.com/gens/fuzzy.htm

    Brian Foster has also been around for a long time and is like a good wine. One view of his 360 tree bump in Fit shows what's up.

    Shawn Butler - damn, he was all over the place in the mid 90's. Great style and tricks.

    All those guys you mentioned were in the movie SOIL which is on the same level of Rad!

    Kris Bennett, Ground Chuck, Punjab also need to be mentioned for trail riders.

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    WOW.. I just cam upon this thread.. nice..

    I am 35 and I remember a lot of these mags and pics.. I started riding BMX about 1978 started on a Team Murray, got a paper route and saved up to buy a Schwinn Predator ( ended up with about three of them over the years) Really started playing with “freestyle” back in the day you know Endos / Miami Hoppers loved the bolt on pegs that we used for standing on, remember they used to fold up on the fork leg .. I remember when I learned how to do a Decade I was stocked and surfing.. man I loved to stand on a seat and handlebar (no helmet ever.. that was stupid) started racing in 1983 and loved it had a Titan Ti Light and used ZRims…

    Anyway to the post, today I still love to jump and ride park, I am no where as good as I was as a kid, but I can still get some air and do some of the simpler stuff 360, x ups, and nice tables.. Thought about bringing the “Visor Grinder” back.. but decided not to.. A lot of the riding today came from those days and it makes me smile to see the progression after all these years people doing stuff I would have never thought possible..

    Great thread,,,

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    hey, Brian Foster still is the man! he was just in a couple of contests recently, well, more exhibition fun for him... but anyway, just bringin' his trail flow everywhere he rides. ironic how that is part of the new school anyway, ride pegless, only air it out with pumping lines and flattie style and spins... maybe just a backlash against the super technical stuff being pulled now...

    great to see the roots still chuggin' through on this board, keep'er at the top!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BikeSATORI
    hey, Brian Foster still is the man!
    It really blows me away watching B Foster in some of the latest vids. I remember seeing him in the older stuff including the race footage and the X-Games back in 1998 where he won Dirt. It's nuts how he still so good even with the level of modern day riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MT Road
    Thought about bringing the “Visor Grinder” back.. but decided not to..
    Bring it back old school!! I've been caught doing "Grizzlies" at the trails recently.

    And, yeah, B Foster is hands down my favorite rider of all time. Nobody does smoother 3 variations. Him and his brother used to tear it up in AA pro, too.

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    haha that's awesoem that you guys brought up Rad. I have a funny story about that movie. My mom used to date Bart Connor (played Bart Taylor) for a while (including when that movie came out). I was 4 when I first saw it in the theaters and wouldn't talk to him for about 2 weeks because I was so mad that he waited under the bridge and lost the race. haha Can't make that stuff up. But later he did give me a pro freestyle tour with 5 spoke mags so my allegiance was easily bought haha.

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