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    Need some help

    I'm thinking about getting into some urban/dirt jumping. Got a few questions though...
    do you recommend building a frame up from scratch or buying a complete? which frames/completes do you recommend? Should I run a SS or have gears? Thanks for any info.

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    I'd like to spend around $1000

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    Buying complete gives you more for your money (unless you work at a shop). Big companies have far more buying power than you. If the bike is purely for DJ or urban, go single speed. It's lighter, cheaper, simpler, etc.

    Go look in the showoff thread of all the bikes. Start researching.

    STPs are a good choice, pretty cheap too. So you'll have extra left over to upgrade. The Cannondale Chase bikes are pretty ill.

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    First off, I want to stress one thing. Alot of people who are new go right to kona's because there is one for every price range, and they are a big name company. But, their dj line up isnt good for urban riding. they are not built for that. Long chainstays, verticle dropouts (makes singlspeed hard). Now, they are staring to think abit better for 07, recognizing that many people ride street too. They now have sliding verticle dropouts for 2007 on both the Cowan and the Stuff (makes singlespeed easy to do). But for dj and street you'll want singlespeed or a chainguide. not front and rear gears. Kona only put a chainguide on their Cowan. The models below the Cowan have front and rear gears. Also, they only put the good urban/dj tires on the Cowan(holyrollers). On the others they have knobby highrollers. Now dont get me wrong, kona's are great bikes, I just dont think they have figured out "urban/street" yet.

    Now, to some bike suggestions. Like will said, stp's look very nice, good geo and I've heard alot of good things about them. Another bike that looks great is the 2007 Specialized P.1. Has good components outa the box and its simple and strong. It's also gonna leave you with about $200 extra if you were looking to spend a grand.(you could use the extra $200 to upgrade the cranks. they are kinda slackin. maybe slap some deity cranks and a deity singlespeed chainring on their and you'll be set. I was gonna look to find out what a complete banshee scratch would cost ya, but their site is under construction rite now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cummings
    First off, I want to stress one thing. Alot of people who are new go right to kona's because there is one for every price range, and they are a big name company. But, their dj line up isnt good for urban riding. they are not built for that. Long chainstays, verticle dropouts (makes singlspeed hard). Now, they are staring to think abit better for 07, recognizing that many people ride street too. They now have sliding verticle dropouts for 2007 on both the Cowan and the Stuff (makes singlespeed easy to do). But for dj and street you'll want singlespeed or a chainguide. not front and rear gears. Kona only put a chainguide on their Cowan. The models below the Cowan have front and rear gears. Also, they only put the good urban/dj tires on the Cowan(holyrollers). On the others they have knobby highrollers. Now dont get me wrong, kona's are great bikes, I just dont think they have figured out "urban/street" yet.

    Now, to some bike suggestions. Like will said, stp's look very nice, good geo and I've heard alot of good things about them. Another bike that looks great is the 2007 Specialized P.1. Has good components outa the box and its simple and strong. It's also gonna leave you with about $200 extra if you were looking to spend a grand.(you could use the extra $200 to upgrade the cranks. they are kinda slackin. maybe slap some deity cranks and a deity singlespeed chainring on their and you'll be set. I was gonna look to find out what a complete banshee scratch would cost ya, but their site is under construction rite now.

    I'm pretty sure Cowans have had sliding vertical dropouts since their intro. The Konas are more targeted toward DJ, but they're versatile bikes, and they handle nicely on the street as well.

    I'm pretty meh when it comes to Specialized. You don't get as much for your money with them (can you say "unethical cost cutting?"). And their CS is not quite as good as it used to be. The parts are all pretty decent, better than before. And I'm happy they went back to dual 26s for the p.1.

    You can get a Chase 4 for about 800 bucks (Chase 3 for about 900), less if you're on good terms with your LBS. The Chase 4 uses vertical dropouts so you don't have to worry about disc caliper allignment or the wheel shifting in the dropouts. You adjust the chain tension via the EBB (eccentric bottom bracket). It's a nice frame, you can go to gears if you so choose.

    Giant STP SS for about 700. Geared STP for about 840.

    Specialized P1 for about 770. P2 cromo is only 800, which IMO is a better deal.

    Check out the Scott Voltage series, the YZO is a super cool frame, it handles really well too.

    I guess I'll throw in my preferred brand as well. I'm riding an Addict Cycles DJ. I love it.

    For dedicated hardcore street riding, go with steel. Norco makes some nice steel frames. You may also want to look into buying used, you get much more for your money that way.

    DMR Transition is like a big BMX bike, you can get the dual 24 rigid Transition for about 800. Identiti is also worth taking a look at.
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    will threw out some good options there. i totally forgot about dmr, they are solid. Will, you mentioned the chase 4 having verticle dropouts but adjusting the chain tension via EBB. Whats this? Does this mean ss without a tensioner?

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    Thanks for the help everyone. I think that the STP looks pretty nice, and is perfect for the price. Would you go with the STP over the Specialized? Anyone have any experience with the Jackal?

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    I would go with Giant over Big S. Big S will be phasing out their lifetime warranties in the next couple years, and Giant I think is introducing it for 2007.

    The Jackal is pretty pricey, and the feel is kind of weird. Nice bike though.

    Look up eccentric bottom bracket. Lots of tandems and single speeds use them. The position of the bottom bracket can rotate, which changes the forward/backward position of the chainring. This allows you to run SS with vertical dropouts.

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    Can anyone tell me what bike this is?

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    That is a 24 cycle LeToy4. Frame is $600 at my LBS. I hear they ride quite nice, and they will last a long time, everything 24 cycles make is complete overkill.

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    that letoy4 is beeffy, anyone got the weight on it?

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    Can get this frame pretty cheap, good deal/bike?
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    nevermind, i found a thread on fetish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aggiebiker
    that letoy4 is beeffy, anyone got the weight on it?
    I "hand weighed" a pornking frame at my LBS (pretty much the same as the letoy4, different geometry) and it was a bit on the heavy side, but not stupidly heavy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrpsu31
    Thanks for the help everyone. I think that the STP looks pretty nice, and is perfect for the price. Would you go with the STP over the Specialized? Anyone have any experience with the Jackal?
    go with the STP over the specialized dont bother with the jackal its really weird looking and costs a lot
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    hey, Banshee site is working again. their complete scratch is $1000. Solid build. Rigids, funn 48h wheels, avid v-brakes. very solid street/dj ride for shure.

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