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    New question here. Female Advanced mt biker looking to get a DJ for cross training... Where to start????

    Budget? About $600 (prefer used)
    What size frame do I need (looking for 26" wheels)? I'm 5' 4"

    [B]]I want to focus on pump track, learn to bunny hop and tabletop jumps... This should help improve my mountain biking skills (-:[/B

    I tried a friends Specialized P, it felt big, not comfortable to ride (they only come in one size)...

    Another friend has a blkmrkt, might be outa my price range though, and again I don't have a clue on size?

    I was also thinking of possibly building one up, that would take tons of research... I would start with a frame if so...

    Any suggestions?

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    You should be open to considering a 24". Something like the NS Capital 24" would fit your bill but might be out of your price range unless you find a good deal on a used complete. Poking around this forums you'll find threads talking about affordable models.

    No matter the wheel size, I would look for a 21.5 TT.
    I might look for ones that are more street oriented as they will be more compact and look for Short size option (often the only options if there is one is Short/Long)

    To keep price down and quality up you might also want to go rigid which will also help boost skills and form.

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    Look at the pinkbike classifieds there are nearly 100 Dj bikes posted for sale a week.
    You should be able to find a pretty nice bike to get started on for less than $500.
    i picked up a used trail or park for a frind last week for $200. tons of people get DJ bikes, use them a couple of weeks and never touch them again.

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    +1 on the 24" they are fun. Or you could go 20"

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    If your goal is pump tracks you could totally rock a 20 or 24 and I would second the rigid option. Smaller wheels for some reason typically come with a smaller price tag and rigid is always cheaper than suspension.
    Only being 5'4" you might find it difficult to find a 26 inch wheel bike that you feel comfy on. The specialized p bike has a 22 inch TT and that is pretty standard now and most companies are only offering one size. Transition offers two but I believe sm=22 and large =24... my eastern is 21.5 but still that is a decent length for a smaller frame. In bmx that is a pro xl. That wouldn't be a bike I would recommend for you. I would go with a pro or depending on your build even a expert for a race bike(not needed)
    Long story short if you go smaller and get good rallying a 20 at high speed your MTB will feel super slow motion to you. Check out leelikesbikes.com he talks about it and I feel it is true. It will take some getting use to. If you don't want that go out with a 24 there are plenty of solid 20 and 24 inch our there at really good prices. Good luck!

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    Wow, thanks for all the advise!!! It sounds like 24" over 26" would be the better choice? I was assuming 26" would have been the better choice as I want to apply what I learn at the pump track as well as jumping, bunny hopping, etc. to my mountain biking skills... I would think that would transfer better/easier.

    I did notice a price decrease on the 24 from 26. When I search for "dirt jumper" I don't get a lot of 24", mostly 26"

    As for the Pinkbike suggestion, I'm on it! As well as good ol Craigslist.

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    The skills will transfer just fine. I actually think that if you can shred on a 20 you will shred even harder on a MTB. There are a few 24 inch Dj bikes out there but a 24 inch cruiser will do you just fine for pump tracks and jumps. Its all about the geo that is what makes those tasks easier. It will always be more difficult to manual, jump, Bunny hop .... a xc bike over a bmx or Dj bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by kellijayne View Post
    Wow, thanks for all the advise!!! It sounds like 24" over 26" would be the better choice? I was assuming 26" would have been the better choice as I want to apply what I learn at the pump track as well as jumping, bunny hopping, etc. to my mountain biking skills... I would think that would transfer better/easier.

    I did notice a price decrease on the 24 from 26. When I search for "dirt jumper" I don't get a lot of 24", mostly 26"

    As for the Pinkbike suggestion, I'm on it! As well as good ol Craigslist.
    24's are harder to find than 26. It would be worth the search though.
    20's are cheap and plentiful and might be worth a serious look. Bmx definitely transfers to mtb. Usually the best bikers are from moto or bmx. You can't beat bmx riders for skills
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    So here is a thread from pinkbike about this topic
    24inch or 26inch dirt jump bike - Pinkbike Forum

    A couple brands to look at for 24 inch Dj would be DMR and Scott. I'm not sure if Scott is still making it but a guy I met at our bike park had one. It was rigid and was super fun to ride. It had crazy short chain stays.... good luck in your search

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    I think you could ride 24"s or 26"s. 26"s will be more consistent with what you already ride, whereas 24"s will help 'break out' of ruts to learn new skills like bunnyhops, manualing, pump track etc. Since you're trying to learn new terrain/new skills, I agree with the other guys, 24"s would be a good cross training experience. But, note, we're not talking about 24" "youth" sized mtb's. These are normal dirt jumper sizes, just with 24" wheels.

    This bike would have been ideal for you, but I sold it already. It's a size Small (21.5" top tube) Black Market MOB 26".



    Something like this would also be ideal for what you've described. A Union Street Molly Maguire 24" DJ/park bike (made in USA):



    Here's a side-by-side visual comparison of 2005 Specialized P.Street 24" and a 2005 DK Xenia 26":

    They both have a 22" top tube. But, as you can see standover (seat tube length) is lower on the 24". The back end is about an inch shorter (15.25" cs instead of 16.25").

    The back end being shorter plus the smaller rear wheel will make the front end easier to pull up in bunnyhops and manuals. Although the Specialized D.Street fork in the picture is extremely heavy, so maybe not the best example.



    There's a guy on pinkbike selling a Union Street Molly Maguire 24". It might be an ideal size for you. Union Street Bikes "USB" Molly Macguire Custom - Pinkbike I actually have a Molly myself. Thought about selling, but I have a local guy who's interested right now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by YRG View Post
    +1 on the 24" they are fun. Or you could go 20"
    I was in the same sorta situation as the OP a few years back. Did the 24 and 26" park/DJ bike for awhile until I finally bought a nice 20" that fit me; I haven't taken the bigger bikes off their hooks for pump/jump/park riding since, and I've leaned more about bike handling in the past couple seasons than in the previous 15 or so.
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    Is there any possibility you can ride some 26" bikes and 24" bikes? That said, a 24" or 20" would work better. They're lighter, have less rotational weight, and they're not as long. Go with a dirt or trails oriented 24" or 20" frame. The slacker angles provide stability at speeds needed for trails vs. street frames; where most moves are done slower.

    Pinkbike is loaded with great deals on dj bikes. Good luck and shred deadly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogbie View Post
    Is there any possibility you can ride some 26" bikes and 24" bikes? That said, a 24" or 20" would work better. They're lighter, have less rotational weight, and they're not as long. Go with a dirt or trails oriented 24" or 20" frame. The slacker angles provide stability at speeds needed for trails vs. street frames; where most moves are done slower.

    Pinkbike is loaded with great deals on dj bikes. Good luck and shred deadly.
    Ya, I tried a Specialized P26 and a 24 Black Market Contraband over the weekend, I LOVED the Blk Mrkt! The 26r felt sluggish and big for me. I've been looking for a used blk mrkt contraband, and apparently they're aren't many used for sale... I'll keep looking. Also I was looking for a Union Street Molly... hard to find as well. I would like to start with a somewhat current bike with at least disk brakes (not V-brakes), I dont want to buy something and have to put money in it right away.

    I thank everyone for all the awesome comments and advise! This forum ROCKS

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    cool sounds like 24 inch is the ticket for you... but nothing wrong with rim brakes for a pump track and dirt jump bike... you only need to slow down no need for serious stopping power unless you were planning on getting into trials riding as well, at least IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by cglasford View Post
    cool sounds like 24 inch is the ticket for you... but nothing wrong with rim brakes for a pump track and dirt jump bike... you only need to slow down no need for serious stopping power unless you were planning on getting into trials riding as well, at least IMO
    Some trials stuff would be fun, that's why I'm trying to shoot for the disks

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    Good job! I found the perfect bike - Black Market Contraband! see photo :)

    WooooHooo! I got me a new bike!
    Black Market Contraband!

    Need advise already! I'm looking for a front disk compatible fork/shock. The previous owner suggested X-Fusion Velvet RL or RL2 1 1/8 100mm
    They are a little pricey, would love to find something used and in good shape if possible


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    24 inch? Might have to build the front wheel to get one with a disc compatible hub. Most 24s are designed for bmx so rim brake or no brake... as for suspension I'm not sure I would even bother for pump tracks and small jumps. Especially if you are interested in trials. However you can pick up a cheap used fox float 100 and shim it to 80mm real easy

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    Quote Originally Posted by cglasford View Post
    Might have to build the front wheel to get one with a disc compatible hub.
    It has a disk compatible hub

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    Quote Originally Posted by kellijayne View Post
    It has a disk compatible hub
    Is the fork disc compatible? If so I'd recommend to give the rigid fork a go prior to investing more money...

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    What type of axle does it have? Fixed, quick release, 15 or 20 thru?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cglasford View Post
    Is the fork disc compatible? If so I'd recommend to give the rigid fork a go prior to investing more money...
    Yes, that particular fork is disk compatible! So when doing Trials type riding (we're talking newbie here), no suspension would be better?

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    I personally do not think so. Suspension will make pumping jumping trials and ramps more difficult as the fork will absorb energy. Only reason I would recommend is if you have bad wrists. I just went to a suspension fork this year and have it set extremely stiff.. so probably not a lot of need for one...

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    Disk compatible Ridged fork...

    Quote Originally Posted by cglasford View Post
    Suspension will make pumping jumping trials and ramps more difficult as the fork will absorb energy...
    We then, finding a disk compatible ridged form should be cheaper? Any recommendations there? I wonder if Black Market makes a disk compatible one?

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    There are a lot of suspension corrected disc mount rigid forks out there. Like this Identiti Bikes -Forks - REBATE JUMP 1420 XL Forks. - Product Information in all axle configurations. In fact you can find cheap take off ones easy since many bikes come stock with them and people then add suspension.

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    Another rigid choice could be a DMR Trailblade.

    You'll obviously want to keep an eye on the axle-to-crown measurement when buying.

    Congrats on the sweet ride!
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    Realistically, you don't need a front brake for pump tracks and DJs. A front brake at the jumps spells trouble: more things to break; added weight (not much, but in the wrong place); the stopping power of a front brake isn't, really, needed.

    Another thing about trials moves: the gear ratio needs to be a lot closer to 1:1. On the bike you have, it looks like a 25T ring and 10T or 11T cog, or ~2.5:1.

    Not to dissuade you from trying trials moves, they're just harder on a DJ than one would think. Trials frames and a DJ frames, may look similar, but they're quite different in all aspects: geometry, components.

    edit: Any frame builder should be able to weld a brake boss to a rigid fork, for a reasonable amount (<$100).

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    Quote Originally Posted by kellijayne View Post
    Wow, thanks for all the advise!!! It sounds like 24" over 26" would be the better choice? I was assuming 26" would have been the better choice as I want to apply what I learn at the pump track as well as jumping, bunny hopping, etc. to my mountain biking skills... I would think that would transfer better/easier.

    I did notice a price decrease on the 24 from 26. When I search for "dirt jumper" I don't get a lot of 24", mostly 26"

    As for the Pinkbike suggestion, I'm on it! As well as good ol Craigslist.
    Kelli, I learned most of jumping/hopping/control stuff on 20" and it transferred to 24/26/29 wheel sizes as well as being useful for Cross and Road racing. My first Citizen's Road Race I hopped a pair of racers who crashed right in front of me, no damage to the bike, no flats. I think the thing that will help you learn quickest is keeping on a lighter/simpler bike. I would even consider a BMX cruiser (24") wheel. Good luck with your pursuit.

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    New question here.

    Quote Originally Posted by jmmorath View Post
    There are a lot of suspension corrected disc mount rigid forks out there. Like this Identiti Bikes -Forks - REBATE JUMP 1420 XL Forks. - Product Information in all axle configurations. In fact you can find cheap take off ones easy since many bikes come stock with them and people then add suspension.
    YES! I've been looking at this fork, however I cant find it anywhere... ALL out of stock! So you are saying that Mikes Bikes uses them on some of there generic builds and had take-offs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    Another rigid choice could be a DMR Trailblade.
    Ive read some pretty BAD reviews about that fork!

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    Isn't that bike 24 inch wheels? I'd make sure you check out the crown to axle length most of those forks are for 26 inch wheels. I might suggest you look at having the brake bosses added to the current fork

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    Quote Originally Posted by cglasford View Post
    Isn't that bike 24 inch wheels? I'd make sure you check out the crown to axle length most of those forks are for 26 inch wheels. I might suggest you look at having the brake bosses added to the current fork
    Ya... there are 2 versions, one is an XL (465mm) and the other is not (425mm). I would not be getting the XL

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    Here is a few more choices for you. These are designed for trials, so the crown-to-axle length is shorter. Not sure how well they'll hold up to multiple botched landings of dirt jumping, though (good trials riders land on the rear wheels).

    26" Forks - at WebCyclery|WebSkis|Bend, Oregon

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    Does anyone know if this fork will work with my blk mrkt contraband... I would like to lower it to 80mm ( or is it not possible)...
    X Fusion Velvet RL2 26" 120mm travel AIR suspension fork 1.5" steerer

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    Quote Originally Posted by kellijayne View Post
    Does anyone know if this fork will work with my blk mrkt contraband... I would like to lower it to 80mm ( or is it not possible)...
    X Fusion Velvet RL2 26" 120mm travel AIR suspension fork 1.5" steerer
    My first impression is no, because like most DJ bikes, the Contraband uses a standard
    1 1/8" fork.
    Take a look at the Manitou Circus; it's a popular choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmc4130 View Post
    My first impression is no, because like most DJ bikes, the Contraband uses a standard
    1 1/8" fork.
    Take a look at the Manitou Circus; it's a popular choice.
    I have a velvet with a 1 1/8 ht, you can lower them and it is a very nice fork. I would recommend it over the circus because it is a pound lighter than the lightest circus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YRG View Post
    I have a velvet with a 1 1/8 ht, you can lower them and it is a very nice fork. I would recommend it over the circus because it is a pound lighter than the lightest circus.
    thanks YRG! So a 1.5 steer non-tapered would work? and I can lower a 120mm to 80?

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    Re sus forks, consider a Marzo DJ -- a DJ2 if you can find one. Non-tapered, 80 or 100. Perfect.

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    you would need to varify your head tube diameter... most bikes are not 1.5 most are 1 and 1/8 or tapered

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    Quote Originally Posted by cglasford View Post
    you would need to varify your head tube diameter... most bikes are not 1.5 most are 1 and 1/8 or tapered
    A Contraband definitely does not have 1.5 !

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    Back when the Black Market team rode the X-Fusion Velvet, that was a different version of the Velvet. Now, it does not come in an 80mm travel version, but it used to.

    BTI | 26" Suspension Forks from X-Fusion Shox

    1.5 vs 1 1/8 steerer

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    Quote Originally Posted by kellijayne View Post
    thanks YRG! So a 1.5 steer non-tapered would work? and I can lower a 120mm to 80?
    A 1.5 won't work, but a straight 1 1/8 will work. Like Cmc says the new one only go down to 100mm while the older model went to 80.

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    4.7 pounds is not bad . . . . although a rigid will be a lot lighter, like the NS at 2.9 pounds: BTI | NS Bikes RNS fork with topcap, 1-1/8" - black

    http://www.bti-usa.com/images/pictures/ap/ap9065.jpg


    Manitou Circus Expert 26" Fork


    • 130mm travel models can be reduced to 120mm and 100mm models can be reduced to 80mm travel using included spacers• 20mm Hex axle provides superior torsional stiffness
    • Absolute + cartridge platform oil damping system: specifically tuned for Dirt Jumping
    • Forged I-Beam style crown: bigger, stronger, and more durable
    • Alloy steerer, and 32mm aluminum stanchions



    weight:

    4.7 lb (2134g)

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    I really like the RS Argyle. I have the older 409 and 318. Super simple forks to set-up and repair. They're pretty bomb proof as well.

    The 318 and 409 go for <$250. The seals and oil are easy to change at home. RS has detailed repair guides to help the repair process.

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    I have an argyle as well and love it but they aren't the lightest thing on the planet but burly, stiff and easy to work on... I picked mine up used for $75... if you are worried about weight you will want to go with air or rigid....

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    New question here. Will this fork work with my Blk Mrkt contraband??

    Hey Guys will this fork work???

    X Fusion Velvet RL2 Remote 100 Suspension Fork 1 1 8 Black 9mm | eBay

    X-Fusion Velvet RL2 Remote 100 Suspension Fork 1 1/8 Black 9mm

    (do I have to use the remote? or do they come without?)

    Item Specifications
    Color Black
    Weight 1542.2g
    Brake Usage F/R Front
    Fork Rake 41mm
    Axle to Crown Length 479mm
    Crown Race 30.0
    Brake Type Disc
    Wheel Size 650b,26",27.5"
    Travel 100mm
    Front Hub Spacing 100mm
    Front Axle Type 9x1
    Spring Air
    Wheel Mount Center Offset 0mm
    Lockout Handlebar Remote
    Defined Color Black
    S.H.I.S. Clamp Diameter 28.6
    Item Name Velvet
    Steerer Type Straight

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    Yes, but you will need a qr front wheel

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    my only question would be is that the type of axle you have on your hub currently or where you planning on replacing the front wheel? That looks like a thru axle and note a standard QR so if you have a fixed bmx axle on your current hub it wont work...

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    New question here.

    Quote Originally Posted by YRG View Post
    Yes, but you will need a qr front wheel
    this is the hub I have:

    PROFILE ELITE FRONT HUB / DISK COMPATIBLE with 9t driver.
    The current fork is a Blk Mrkt tech 9

    it is not a thru axle, its a standard 9mm, with bolt. I can take a photo of it if that helps?

    link to Profile hubs:
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    Yeah you will need a fork with standard drop out so you can just slide that hub in and tighten down the bolts,

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    Quote Originally Posted by cglasford View Post
    Yeah you will need a fork with standard drop out so you can just slide that hub in and tighten down the bolts,
    DANG... I see a lot of photos of contraband's with an x-fusion Velvet Fork, I cant find that specific fork that will work, especially with the drop out?... FRUSTRATED!

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