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    Who's bike is more valuable than their car?

    I bought my wife a new car and now driving her old Expedition. The only thing green about it is the color of the paint, but it makes a great Turner bike hauler with room to spare. Since the gas price spike these massive gas guzzlers are worth nothing. My latest trip to Autotrader.com told me my mechanically perfect hauler is worth $2100 - Ouch!
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    true, but a 10 year old bike aint worth a whole heck of a lot either (even brand new "old style" Turners were being blown out......)

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    I'm probably fairly close with my Civic.

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    yeah! very slick.

    not too many years back, say... 1997, i was drivin a old toyota corona wagon i paid $500 for with a $50 used blackburn rack that carried a $6000 burner, a $3000 stumpjumper and a $5000 merckx. i was gonna get plates that read "6kmtb". priorities. times have changed. now i have a car worth 5 figures with a new 4 bike roof rack and several more high end bikes than before. im sure the ratio is about the same overall.

    this should get interesting.
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    Here is a picture from several years ago. My 2004 Yeti AS-X on top of a 1986 Jaguar XJ6 Vanden Plas. Head gasket leaked so much I got about 6 mpg. Car was pretty much worthless. Bike was worth a $1500 at the time. Nothing too bling.


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    Up till a month ago, I was driving a 93' ford explorer w/ 190,000 miles. Was not worth anything so i give it to my sister-in-law who is about to turn sevventeen. I figured she could finish it off the next year. It has a thule roof rack and has carried my burner for the last five years nicely. Now I drive a toyota tundra-a big step up for me.
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    Everything in my stable is worth more than my '96 Corrola. Just nothing fits in it without disassembly Maybe I need to get that old Thule roof rack back I sold for $50 to a buddy.

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    06 RFX and 06 ASX both worth more but fading rapidly.


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    My Car is definetly less worth than my Turner.

    Her is my car, a 20 year old Wolkswagon Passat with a 150.000 miles to it:



    Here is my turner Flux:


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    2007 Turner RFX, versus a 1986 Nissan D21 Pick-up. The only option the old pick-up has is power steering. Speedo and Odo quite working about 2 years ago so I have no idea how many miles are on it now. Brakes leak a bit, something rattles in the 4 wheel drive, and the suspension needs some serious love, but it goes down the road, and gets my RFX where I want it to go. Only paid $600 for the truck, think I spent about $4000 building up the RFX! Then there's my Cross Check that's worth about $2,000, and my Transition Trail or Park easily worth about $1600. LOL, I have an issue!

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    As far as personal worth goes, our bikes are worth more than our car. Thankfully, our incomes or daily lives no longer revolve around car ownership to keep us from being cut off from the world.

    As far as the value of SUV's, hell, if gas prices stay stable in some years when I come back to the US, then hell, I'll buy a cheap Pathfinder or 4runner type deal, and structure my life around not using a car for my daily life. Unfortunately, I don't think it will be the case and I really don't mind mildly powered cars to do 65, so long as they can get out of their own way.

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    I currently own 5 bikes and no car, so even my cheap $250 commuter is worth more than my $0 car.

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    I'm pretty sure my bikes are worth more than my garage.
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    I think right now my flux is about even with my 2000 Blazer w/ 95K miles. It might not get the best mileage, but truck is paid for, and I tend to drive vehicles til the quarterly cost of repair is more than the monthly cost of owning something newer.


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    We had a good laugh once when we realized there was over $25,000 worth of bikes in the back of my $800 truck.


    A fun car isn't as rewarding as a fun bike. That's why I own a Turner.Worth every penny.

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    I bought my 1990 4wd civic wagon as a daily beater for 1100 dollars. Just recently got a good deal on a turner 5 spot for 1200 all built up, so now I can say my bike is worth more than the car it's hauled in.
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    1994 VW Golf, 1,4litre with 65bhp.
    Norwegian price would be about 1000$ MAX.

    Rooms a dog, 5month daughter, wife....2 Turners out back :-)
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    never seen an mtbr on a jaguar. pbr in the trunk?

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    Canfield lucky and a 2008 SC BLT2 both with pretty sweet builds. Definitely each is worth more then my 91 integra. The BLT2 is my roommates though. My car is to get my bike to places. I don't drive it around town, I have a commuter for that, and its not something I care about other then to drive my bike places to ride.

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    Here's one.

    Old picture. Its my brandnew Turner HL 5-Spot. Car is a Suzuki something (not mine)

    In Denmark, where I live, there's a special 180% tax on cars. It saves the Suzuki from being worth less than the bike in this case,



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    Does that apply to cars brought from out of the country? I noted some Danes come down to DE to buy cars, and people from DE go to NL and to Au to get their cars a bit cheaper.

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    I remember back on the late 90's an old Ford Tempo parked at the trailhead. This car was so beat that insteat of a roo rack it had bike mounts bolted directly to the roof and trunk. I didn't see the bike but am pretty sure it was worth more than the Tempo.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    My Sultan still has a ways to catch up to my beloved diesel Ram.

    2004 Ram 2500 w/ HO Cummins, 106,100 on the odometer (106k is paltry for a diesel). Hauls 6 bikes easily (plus the people - I can haul my family to the trail and have my very own group ride )

    KBB retail value still at $20k. Private party - probably $18k.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasper
    Here's one.

    Old picture. Its my brandnew Turner HL 5-Spot. Car is a Suzuki something (not mine)

    In Denmark, where I live, there's a special 180% tax on cars. It saves the Suzuki from being worth less than the bike in this case,


    Isnt that the Turner that you broke???




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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    Does that apply to cars brought from out of the country? I noted some Danes come down to DE to buy cars, and people from DE go to NL and to Au to get their cars a bit cheaper.
    Yes it also applys to your own import, so the price is often the same, but the german cars are often a little better equiped, and have less rustproblems, because of the slightly varmer climate in southern Germany.

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    hey greenlight that truck's bigger than our street! here in the uk we see some ram's but more commonly they're surrounded by ewes........





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    Cool thread, but why do people quote the street (real) value for the vehicles and the top-dollar, no-one's-ever-going-to-pay-that price for the bikes???

    For me, my 5 bikes (FR, XC, bmx, speed bike, city cruiser) totaled up are probably even in value to my car, in real money.
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    Don't own a car? How do you do it?

    Quote Originally Posted by 6thElement
    I currently own 5 bikes and no car, so even my cheap $250 commuter is worth more than my $0 car.
    I've continually owned a car or truck or both since...well, a previous century. Do you walk to the corner store? Ride your bike or bus out of town to get to trails? I would love to have a lifestyle where I didn't need a vehicle but right now that's really a foreign concept. How do you do it?
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    Living in a city with mass transit and bike paths everywhere rocks. Hell, we even have our own traffic lights for bikes.

    My perspective changed because in the US, I'd drive to the the store nearby instead of walking a perfectly walkable distance in only a few minutes. When/if I return to the US, it will be with the intent of using a bike as transport as much as possible. The only issue is bike thefts and lack of places to chain them up. Out here, there are bike stalls just about everywhere.

    Our car can sit sometimes for a month or more without use, but we tend to use it for practicality, such as grocery shopping. We make up for the lack of use by frequent cross-country trips to visit family or vacations.

    For example, if one goes to Zurich, Switzerland, it actually sucks having a car there. The tram, train, and bus service is so extensive, one really doesn't need a car. In fact, when I visited, I parked my car in a nearby suburban town and used public transit. Dresden is somewhat similar, along with having extensive bike paths, including one along the Elbe river that joins cities and eventually goes even somehow into the Czech Republic. One must think of it as an autobahn for bikes. We took it to a nearby city today. It was quite fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    Living in a city with mass transit and bike paths everywhere rocks. Hell, we even have our own traffic lights for bikes.

    My perspective changed because in the US, I'd drive to the the store nearby instead of walking a perfectly walkable distance in only a few minutes. When/if I return to the US, it will be with the intent of using a bike as transport as much as possible. The only issue is bike thefts and lack of places to chain them up. Out here, there are bike stalls just about everywhere.

    Our car can sit sometimes for a month or more without use, but we tend to use it for practicality, such as grocery shopping. We make up for the lack of use by frequent cross-country trips to visit family or vacations.

    For example, if one goes to Zurich, Switzerland, it actually sucks having a car there. The tram, train, and bus service is so extensive, one really doesn't need a car. In fact, when I visited, I parked my car in a nearby suburban town and used public transit. Dresden is somewhat similar, along with having extensive bike paths, including one along the Elbe river that joins cities and eventually goes even somehow into the Czech Republic. One must think of it as an autobahn for bikes. We took it to a nearby city today. It was quite fun.
    I can picture having enough mass transit around departing and arriving frequently enough as to make it convenient to use. I can picture corner stores close enough to walk to. I can even picture bike friendly bike lanes. The reality where I live is the complete opposite. Just shlepping groceries from the store (only a 10 minute traffic dodge away) would suck. Living in downtown Denver? Well...the real trails are at least a 30 minute drive away, who has time to ride for an hour just to get to the trailhead?

    Is it that it's just completely different over where you live JC and I guess 6thElement so it's all easily possible? For me, envisioning a car-free existence and the reality of it are polar opposites...but I can dream.
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    Well, I'm only in Europe for half a year now. Despite crazy traffic, one thing is it's still safer here, as encounters with cars looking to teach me a lesson as a cyclist on their roadway. That's the only reason I had a problem with biking. That, and the asswipe manager of the place I worked in the US thought he could punish our department by making it very difficult and unreasonable to bike to work, a distance so short, it would only take 5 minutes more by bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickhart
    hey greenlight that truck's bigger than our street! here in the uk we see some ram's but more commonly they're surrounded by ewes........





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    yes, it's Texas sized. It would not have been easy to get around in Germany (when I lived there) with this thing, however, no regrets buying it. I'd wanted one for 10+ years and it gets much better fuel economy than the SUV it replaced - plus, the longevity it'll give me means all the money I save not making a car payment, can go towards biking stuff and building wealth - in that order .
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    Dude, while it's odd to think they would be out here, there are more than just a few Dodge Ram trucks I've seen here, with several very close to where I live. Don't know why, how they get parts and repairs, but whatever floats their boats. There's even a guy around the block with a Chevy Impala (square body) from about 1980 or before (I grew up with one that was a wagon) in the same gold color our family wagon was. Perfect condition. In fact, I see lots of odd cars I would never think I'd see here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    Does that apply to cars brought from out of the country? I noted some Danes come down to DE to buy cars, and people from DE go to NL and to Au to get their cars a bit cheaper.
    It applies to imported cars as well :-( I think the reason many danes buy cars in Germany is that compared to DK the cars are in better shape and with less miles on them

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy
    I've continually owned a car or truck or both since...well, a previous century. Do you walk to the corner store? Ride your bike or bus out of town to get to trails? I would love to have a lifestyle where I didn't need a vehicle but right now that's really a foreign concept. How do you do it?
    How? I did it for many years with a cargo bike and one bike for each family member (except me of course I always have more bikes than the rest of them together)

    The cargo bike hauled groceries and our smallest daughter from daycare. The big girls has ridden their own bikes in the city of Copenhagen (Denmark) since they were 8 or 9. Before you judge me on letting them do so you should know that Copenhagen is the most bikefriendly city there is. Period :-) See this post Just returned from Denmark, the most bike-friendly place on earth (long w/rant) [o]. And of course they werent let alone on the streets when they were 8

    As far as MTBing goes I DO envy all your mountains, scenery and wilderness but that said my trails starts in the woods 15 km away from my doorstep and I live in the center of Copenhagen. Getting there is no problem its on bikepath seperated from other traffic all the way. If you feel lazy or its cold or windy I just take a train -all our trains takes bikes and they leave every 20 minutes 500m from my doorstep

    So for me it worked and still does but thats because I live where I do. I only use the car when the entire family needs to go out of town -we have four children so I think I qualify for a car ;-) Evereyday groceries and picking up kids is still done with the cargobike or they transport themselves on their own bikes. The big girls are 12 and 14 now and pretty much goes everywhere they wanna go on their bikes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasper
    How? I did it for many years with a cargo bike and one bike for each family member (except me of course I always have more bikes than the rest of them together)

    The cargo bike hauled groceries and our smallest daughter from daycare. The big girls has ridden their own bikes in the city of Copenhagen (Denmark) since they were 8 or 9. Before you judge me on letting them do so you should know that Copenhagen is the most bikefriendly city there is. Period :-) See this post Just returned from Denmark, the most bike-friendly place on earth (long w/rant) [o]. And of course they werent let alone on the streets when they were 8

    As far as MTBing goes I DO envy all your mountains, scenery and wilderness but that said my trails starts in the woods 15 km away from my doorstep and I live in the center of Copenhagen. Getting there is no problem its on bikepath seperated from other traffic all the way. If you feel lazy or its cold or windy I just take a train -all our trains takes bikes and they leave every 20 minutes 500m from my doorstep

    So for me it worked and still does but thats because I live where I do. I only use the car when the entire family needs to go out of town -we have four children so I think I qualify for a car ;-) Evereyday groceries and picking up kids is still done with the cargobike or they transport themselves on their own bikes. The big girls are 12 and 14 now and pretty much goes everywhere they wanna go on their bikes

    Cheers - Kasper

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    Dresden is somewhat similar, along with having extensive bike paths, including one along the Elbe river that joins cities and eventually goes even somehow into the Czech Republic. One must think of it as an autobahn for bikes. We took it to a nearby city today. It was quite fun.
    They must have put some thought in to the bike/transit system when rebuilding it after WWII. I understand there was little to nothing left at the time?

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    "They", being the Soviets? When did you know of the Soviets to have done anything?

    Hah, we still have dirt sidewalks in many places. No one knows or questions where the Reunification Tax is going. There's a lot more that needs to be done to improve the infrastructure. It's extensive, but well thought out is questionable, especially since old and new parts of the city had to be merged and connected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle
    I remember back on the late 90's an old Ford Tempo parked at the trailhead. This car was so beat that insteat of a roo rack it had bike mounts bolted directly to the roof and trunk. I didn't see the bike but am pretty sure it was worth more than the Tempo.
    I've seen this too. A French-Canadian guy came down south for the winter in a Ford Pinto with a front skewer mount bolted directly to the roof and a 6" section of tire rail bolted where the rear tire goes with a piece of nylon strap he tied to hold the rear wheel in place. I would have upgraded to velcro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy
    I've continually owned a car or truck or both since...well, a previous century. Do you walk to the corner store? Ride your bike or bus out of town to get to trails? I would love to have a lifestyle where I didn't need a vehicle but right now that's really a foreign concept. How do you do it?
    I live in NYC, so the store I use for groceries is a 5 minute walk away (corner shop is about 70 yards). If it's dry I commute to work via bike, takes about 20 minutes, otherwise the subway takes about the same time.

    To get to decent MTB trails takes about an hour, so riding on dirt is generally confined to the weekends. To get to the parks I'll take the train, roughly a 35-60 minute journey depending on where I'm riding, with a couple of miles ride the other end to reach the park. During the week I'll stick to riding on the road, unless a friend with car is doing in a night ride, in which case I'll grab a lift. Same principle for other parks which aren't easily accessible via train, plenty of people have cars to grab a lift from and just give them some gas money.

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    Yup.. but my car might just be cooler than my dos niner.
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