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    What's up with the Sultan?

    Noticed it's on major blowout pricing.
    Is there confirmation that there is a replacement / redesigned 29er coming? Or, might it just be discontinued?

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    redesign in the works. Due next year.... hopefully!

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    Cool, thanks. Look forward to seeing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes View Post
    redesign in the works. Due next year.... hopefully!
    Only 50 days away....SWEET!!


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    Hey DT, carbon or Ali?

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    Hmm, new Flux & new Sultan... 2016 could be a big year around my house!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rideon View Post
    Only 50 days away....SWEET!!
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    With the word "hopefully" tacked on, I would be very surprised if Turner plans on a Jan. 1, '16 roll-out for a new Sultan/Flux. Even a mid-year debut might be pretty optimistic. Both bikes are on my short list, so I'm hoping for sooner rather than later along with the rest of you.
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    Very interested in the Flux as well. I hope they don't drop the BB too low.

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    Looking forward to seeing the new Sultan !
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    Quote Originally Posted by therollex View Post
    Hey DT, carbon or Ali?
    Does silence mean carbon?? Are we being RFXed??


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    Does silence mean carbon?? Are we being RFXed??
    After years of fevered e-speculation and hassling him over the RFX, I reckon the silence means that DT has hidden himself in a padded bunker, regretting that he ever mentioned a new Sultan was on it's way !!
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    DT, can you give us some ideas on what type of bike you are designing? Aggressive 29? Trail bike? Bike path special? IMBA approved flow bike?

    I imagine it would be something along the lines of Ripley, Pivot Trail.

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    redesign in the works. Due next year.... hopefully!

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    I would imagine it's like the current one, just better, so probably without the extra-long wheelbase (if it is shortened by an inch, it would be along the lines of a normal-length chainstay), but similar travel. Would expect either vastly streamlined design or carbon, new pivot system with cart bearings in the pivots seems to be going into all the models.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    I would imagine it's like the current one, just better, so probably without the extra-long wheelbase (if it is shortened by an inch, it would be along the lines of a normal-length chainstay), but similar travel. Would expect either vastly streamlined design or carbon, new pivot system with cart bearings in the pivots seems to be going into all the models.
    Don't forget B+ compatibility. That'll be there for sure.

    I just hope the BB isn't too low. B+ tires are a little smaller, and sag more than smaller tires so an already low BB becomes even lower. Maybe fine for some, but not for all. Nonstop rocks and roots change the tradeoffs and priorities on BB height.

    How about an offset flip-flop shock mount to allow a slight change to BB height and head angle? Any down side to this? People on tight rocky trails can have a higher BB and shorter wheelbase. Those in wide open faster trails can go lower and longer. It seems like a win-win for all.

    Oh yeah and add in the obligatory request for shorter chainstays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by therollex View Post
    Hey DT, carbon or Ali?
    Both!!


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    According to my source, new Sultan will be available soon in 2017, hopefully he said


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullit_cn View Post
    According to my source, new Sultan will be available soon in 2017, hopefully he said


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    Did you mean 2016? 2017 isn't exactly "soon!"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rideon View Post
    Did you mean 2016? 2017 isn't exactly "soon!"


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    Bummer. I have money for and need a new bike now and Turner was high on my list. I like the new Czar but want more travel and want 29" wheels. Ah well, maybe the next time I buy a bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rideon View Post
    Did you mean 2016? 2017 isn't exactly "soon!"


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    Yeah, 2017 is a long time away! You sure about the date?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus View Post
    Yeah, 2017 is a long time away! You sure about the date?
    That's the info I received as well. Sounds like it is still a ways off.

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    It is long indeed, mid-2016 is for the year of the Flux...


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    Wonder how the new Sultan will differ from original? Most likely carbon....more travel? Slacker?

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    I'd love to know more too. It's a new Sultan or a new Tallboy LTC (in XXL!) for me in 2016.

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    I imagine a Burner/RFX'ed Sultan. 120-140. A little lower. A little longer in the front. A little shorter in the back. A little more stand over room for dropper posts. Carbon and aluminum.


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    I'd say you're right about everything except the last bit.

    It seems strange to clear out the old models and leave a gap in the lineup when the replacement is still over a year away. Wonder what's going on...

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    We are going to have to screen visitors more carefully, seems Rideon should be called Righton..

    David the 'gap' comes from the cost of tooling.

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    Fair enough, patience is a virtue!

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    We are going to have to screen visitors more carefully, seems Rideon should be called Righton..
    So, with Rideon's assumptions it will be a bit like that 29er by Evil lots of people are getting excited about. Would it be too much hubris to call the new bike 'The Leading'?

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    How low is "A Little Lower"? A bb height of the RFX would be nice. Something between 13.2 to 13.5" would be best to make it into a "no-pedal-strike" ride.


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    I don't know why more bikes don't come with a little offset mount for the rear shock to bring the BB up just a hair so the bike can work for both types of riders. Low BB's kind of suck for rock crawling terrain.

    Seems like a cheap and easy addition to make the bike available to a wider audience.

    Are there patent issues?

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    Mr Turner-

    Does the Turner 4 Turner trade in program also apply to carbon frames?

    Thanks for spilling the beans a little on the Sultan. I've wanted a Turner for a long time now and it looks like the stars are aligning here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes View Post
    We are going to have to screen visitors more carefully, seems Rideon should be called Righton..

    David the 'gap' comes from the cost of tooling.
    My existing Sultan is a great bike, but longer in front and shorter in the back would make it greater.

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    What's up with the Sultan?

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    I tried the offset bushing on my Sultan. I really liked how it lowered the BB and slackened the HT angle, but it also slackened the seattube angle negatively. Definitely felt worse on climbs. I switched it back and presto, the Sultan was rocking again.

    I really like the philosophy of good pedaling position and neutral handling. Turner has a real opportunity here to hit a big home run with the new Sultan(s). Some of the new bikes in this category are good, but have some shortcomings like too relaxed ST angles and weird reach numbers.


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    Boost 148?

    Personally I hope so... It'd be nice to have a big wheel that is also stiff...

    Plz 140mm+ on the travel! I'm a big guy and I'd like a 29r trail bike with DW link!


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    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorAddict View Post
    Boost 148?

    Personally I hope so... It'd be nice to have a big wheel that is also stiff...

    Plz 140mm+ on the travel! I'm a big guy and I'd like a 29r trail bike with DW link!


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    And doesn't Boost allow for bigger tires such as a 27.5+?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rideon View Post
    And doesn't Boost allow for bigger tires such as a 27.5+?


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    It's not really related (ok, kinda-sorta).

    Tire clearance by the seatstay/chainstay can be accomplished without Boost, but Boost allows clearance without having to resort to super long chainstays.


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    I'm hoping this year before I invest on Ibis Ripley. I want it in carbon with the same BB height as the current Sultan with 140mm front. Patiently waiting before I get more older waiting for that carbon Sultan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akazan View Post
    I'm hoping this year before I invest on Ibis Ripley. I want it in carbon with the same BB height as the current Sultan with 140mm front. Patiently waiting before I get more older waiting for that carbon Sultan.
    You should demo a Ripley. I really wanted to like that bike but it was more XC than what I was looking for. GREAT pedaling bike but a ***** twitchy in the front.......and I love quick steering bikes
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    In steep techy stuf, I'll agree completely with DeeZee. The regular Ripley is pretty nervous and the LS (while I have not ridden it yet) has a BB too low for me. I ride a Spider Comp with a 140 Pike and I just can't make myself go to any of these low-BB bikes. The Spider Comp is low to begin with but with a 140, it's fine. The new Sultan will be interesting. I just hope (for my sake) they don't go to low.

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    The impending launch off the new Tallboy LT will hopefully kick the Sultan relaunch in the pants a little. Looking forward to seeing what DT has in store for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hjulier View Post
    The impending launch off the new Tallboy LT will hopefully kick the Sultan relaunch in the pants a little. Looking forward to seeing what DT has in store for us.
    I really really really really don't want to buy a Tallboy LT because I prefer DW suspension designs. It just seems Turner has been one step behind over the past couple of years. Hoping a bad a$$ Sultan will change all of that.

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    New Hightower is out and it looks nice, but I can never, never understand short head tubes on XL bikes. At least give us 5 inches so you don't have to run an obscene amount of spacers under your stem! Turner seems to do a much better job in the sizing up of their frames. I'm hoping the new Sultan (in whatever stage of development it might be in) continues this tradition.

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    Agreed! Disregarding the travel, the geometry of the Hightower is very close to Transition Smuggler. IMHO too low BB (170 mm cranks recommended), very long Wheelbase in XL (around 48") and long reach number in XL (around 19"). The bikes seem to be made to go down and fast. In XL, I'm liking Pivot's 429T geometry better (HT of 5.9", WB=46.5, reach=17.1). Unfortunately, I haven't had a chance to ride any of these new bikes yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by hjulier View Post
    New Hightower is out and it looks nice, but I can never, never understand short head tubes on XL bikes. At least give us 5 inches so you don't have to run an obscene amount of spacers under your stem! Turner seems to do a much better job in the sizing up of their frames. I'm hoping the new Sultan (in whatever stage of development it might be in) continues this tradition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hjulier View Post
    New Hightower is out and it looks nice, but I can never, never understand short head tubes on XL bikes. At least give us 5 inches so you don't have to run an obscene amount of spacers under your stem! Turner seems to do a much better job in the sizing up of their frames. I'm hoping the new Sultan (in whatever stage of development it might be in) continues this tradition.
    The Hightower looks nice for sure but it is still a VPP bike and I would like a DW. I have a VPP and it is ok and owned a DW Sultan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hjulier View Post
    New Hightower is out and it looks nice, but I can never, never understand short head tubes on XL bikes. At least give us 5 inches so you don't have to run an obscene amount of spacers under your stem! Turner seems to do a much better job in the sizing up of their frames. I'm hoping the new Sultan (in whatever stage of development it might be in) continues this tradition.
    I second the motion!


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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeZee View Post
    The Hightower looks nice for sure but it is still a VPP bike and I would like a DW. I have a VPP and it is ok and owned a DW Sultan.

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    Modern geo with short stays and NO FRONT DRL

    130mm of travel

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    turner czar with 130mm fork and angleset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodmojo View Post
    turner czar with 130mm fork and angleset.
    Sorry 130mm rear travel :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeZee View Post
    Sorry 130mm rear travel :-)
    Just more plush than the Czar please! Think Pivot 429Trail at 116mm rear travel or The Following from Evil Bikes at 120mm rear. Both very capable XC trail bikes that blur the lines!!




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    Quote Originally Posted by Rideon View Post
    Just more plush than the Czar please! Think Pivot 429Trail at 116mm rear travel or The Following from Evil Bikes at 120mm rear. Both very capable XC trail bikes that blur the lines!!


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    Yes sir! Rode a Ibis Ripley LS but not what I was looking for.

    130mm in the back and 140 up front is what I am thinking

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    I third the motion something like the Hightower but maybe a bit more compact. Just a bit shorter on WB. There is a giant gap at 130-150 dw range for 29rs . Rfx looks great something similar geo little less travel and HA would be the ticket.

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    I wonder how the dw linkages play with having shorter chain stays. Wouldn't it be hard to squeeze in 150mm travel and still keep ~17 inch stays we've all be told we want and now demand to have?!

    I'd love to see a Turner 29er in the 140mm range, but I guess (as Evil, Kona, Transition and Yeti seem to be proving) shorter travel and LongLowSlack geo seem to be the way things are going.
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    140mm of 29r DT DW goodness would be spot on for a do all bike. After owning and extended demoing all the rage bikes Evil Following, Ripley LS, Mach 429 trail etc. I can say one thing they all pedal welll and are really fun but could use more travel to extend the broader use. Would a 140mm Turner pedal much differently than 120mm probably not but the extra travel would be nice!

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    Would a 140mm Turner pedal much differently than 120mm probably not but the extra travel would be nice!


    The numbers look good to me on paper....all the plough-thru-ability of the Sultan, with a bit more flick in the corners, and a bit more travel to take the hits.

    Might give the RFX a run for its money though!
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    Is 2017 the year of the Sultan????

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    Got to be. 10 year anniversary, no?

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    From what's out there for a Sultan replacement, I'm looking at the DeVinci Django, 429 Pivot Trail, Pyga Stage Max cause I'm tall 6'5" and they all have stacks about 25" (the rest seem too low. Trek Fuel is an inch lower stack in XL). Anybody want to weigh in? suspension characteristics, antisquat, etc? thanks!

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    I wish!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by starre View Post
    From what's out there for a Sultan replacement, I'm looking at the DeVinci Django, 429 Pivot Trail, Pyga Stage Max cause I'm tall 6'5" and they all have stacks about 25" (the rest seem too low. Trek Fuel is an inch lower stack in XL). Anybody want to weigh in? suspension characteristics, antisquat, etc? thanks!
    Can't see the split pivot bikes matching the pedaling efficiency of the DW bikes. I have no earthly idea why Trek thinks it's a good idea to keep their XL headtubes so microscopic...we're not trying to get aero on a road bike!!


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    Is this bike going to happen? Or is is dead on the vine? Judging by all the chatter on the Pivot, SC and Intense forums their version of this bike are doing well.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by starre View Post
    From what's out there for a Sultan replacement, I'm looking at the DeVinci Django, 429 Pivot Trail, Pyga Stage Max cause I'm tall 6'5" and they all have stacks about 25" (the rest seem too low. Trek Fuel is an inch lower stack in XL). Anybody want to weigh in? suspension characteristics, antisquat, etc? thanks!
    For what it's worth, here my ride review of a Pivot 429 Trail which I liked a lot: https://www.dirtmerchantbikes.com/sp...h-116mm-travel

    I'd be very happy riding it with the only caveat being how it handles in tighter singletrack as the trails in Bootleg Canyon at Interbike being pretty wide open.

    I've ridden the 27.5 versions of the DeVinci Spartan, Troy and Django. While I liked them a lot, they clearly were not as snappy climbers as are Turners and other dw-link bikes.

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    any news yet on the new Sultan?
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    Don't expect any news until it is released. Dave is notoriously closed mouthed with concerning new models.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    Look at the RFX to give some clues. Fit will be similar, less travel is likely, and probably 29" wheels
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    Old school geometry desperately needs updating!!

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    I snapped my 7 year old XXL Sultan at the weekend, so I emailed Turner and asked if they happened to have any frames other than their current XL blowout.
    Nope - but Dave did say the new Sultan was longer - that the nex gen XL would be at least as long as the old XXL Sultan.

    I might just ride my HT and save my pennies for the future Sultan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TooTallUK View Post
    I snapped my 7 year old XXL Sultan at the weekend, so I emailed Turner and asked if they happened to have any frames other than their current XL blowout.
    Nope - but Dave did say the new Sultan was longer - that the nex gen XL would be at least as long as the old XXL Sultan.

    I might just ride my HT and save my pennies for the future Sultan.
    That's great news!

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    I am guessing we will know at Sea Otter when the new Sultan will be arriving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaybo View Post
    Old school geometry desperately needs updating!!
    at current clearance price it can be ancient and it is still a good deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TooTallUK View Post
    I snapped my 7 year old XXL Sultan at the weekend, so I emailed Turner and asked if they happened to have any frames other than their current XL blowout.
    Nope - but Dave did say the new Sultan was longer - that the nex gen XL would be at least as long as the old XXL Sultan.

    I might just ride my HT and save my pennies for the future Sultan.
    Did Dave say when they will be available?

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    That sounds reasonable. I think the new Sultan could be a real hit. I don't know how the RFX and Flux are selling but competition sure is stiff as hell nowadays. The Sultan will have to be perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by outside! View Post
    I like the new Czar but want more travel and want 29" wheels.
    I just put a 120 Pike on my Czar; have had to re-think my "need" for travel. It'll never be as trail as the Sultan intends to be, but it's pretty impressive. "XC/Trail" – I get it now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyer View Post
    competition sure is stiff as hell nowadays. The Sultan will have to be perfect.
    I'll both agree and disagree with this. From a marketing perspective, it certainly does sound like every bike rides great nowadays.

    Going to Outdoor Demo at Interbike for the last several years and doing other bike demos, the truth of what rides well and what does not is a bit different than the media would lead you to believe. The bikes from the big bike shop brands (Specialized, Trek, Giant, Cannondale) ride okay, but are not class leading based on my subjective perceptions. Bikes from smaller brands tend to perform better in terms of balancing descending ability, climbing efficiency, steering feel, handling, BUT there are notable high $ exceptions to this that I've ridden recently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectre View Post
    I'll both agree and disagree with this. From a marketing perspective, it certainly does sound like every bike rides great nowadays.

    Going to Outdoor Demo at Interbike for the last several years and doing other bike demos, the truth of what rides well and what does not is a bit different than the media would lead you to believe. The bikes from the big bike shop brands (Specialized, Trek, Giant, Cannondale) ride okay, but are not class leading based on my subjective perceptions. Bikes from smaller brands tend to perform better in terms of balancing descending ability, climbing efficiency, steering feel, handling, BUT there are notable high $ exceptions to this that I've ridden recently.
    I'm with you on this one. IMHO there's a lot of over hyped but underwhelming bikes out there right now. Messed up in one way or another. Turner Bikes has a real opportunity here with a new Sultan. Bring it!


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    It needs to clear 29 3.0 tires, with 29+ sus market now booming, look what salsa has done with Deadwood. Split pivot rocks. This is the future, and 150,5mm asymetrical ultraboost hub just introduced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marsukurac View Post
    It needs to clear 29 3.0 tires, with 29+ sus market now booming, look what salsa has done with Deadwood. Split pivot rocks. This is the future, and 150,5mm asymetrical ultraboost hub just introduced.
    Yeah, a riding buddy of mine recently went 2.6 Knobby Nic on his Rip and it was a significant improvement in some techy riding


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    I guess Sultan is not happening in the near futur, Sea Otter will only me marketing of existing models.

    I am buying a Chameleon...

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    Think I got the last Sultan. Bargain price of $556.50

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    When I spoke to DT a out a week ago he was headed to Taiwan to meet with a manufacturer for the Sultan. So it may be a while before they hit the market.

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    Whoa! Nice snag!
    Quote Originally Posted by WV_XCE View Post
    Think I got the last Sultan. Bargain price of $556.50

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    And it came with a Cane Creek Inline Air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WV_XCE View Post
    And it came with a Cane Creek Inline Air.
    Lucky you...........now for the new Sultan!

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    I was tempted by the new Ripley today but in the end I'll keep riding my aluminium Sultan until the carbon one is available.

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    I have it on good authority that the new Sultan will NOT be carbon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoomin View Post
    I was tempted by the new Ripley today but in the end I'll keep riding my aluminium Sultan until the carbon one is available.
    What did you think of the new Ripley? How did it compare to your Sultan?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rideon View Post
    What did you think of the new Ripley? How did it compare to your Sultan?


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    I haven't had a chance to ride the new Ripley yet - nobody in my smallish town stocks them. A bike shop I do business with in the big city has one my size and I almost pulled the trigger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WV_XCE View Post
    I have it on good authority that the new Sultan will NOT be carbon.
    Really?! Interesting...

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    My2011 Sultan is still a great bike and ridden it more often these days over my Czar which is setup as a race bike.
    I tried to look somewhere else for a replacement and end up going back to my trusted Sultan and now wondering will it still be coming out in the near future?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullit_cn View Post
    My2011 Sultan is still a great bike and ridden it more often these days over my Czar which is setup as a race bike.
    I tried to look somewhere else for a replacement and end up going back to my trusted Sultan and now wondering will it still be coming out in the near future?
    Probably the biggest conundrum for us Turner fans to figure out. I don't know how many years this forum has been hinting for an updated version: a bit slacker and of course a bit shorter chain stays from the 18.2" we ride on today (not "following" short) and it would have been a winner. I'm super speculating but the closing of Zen and moving to carbon pinched resources available. I'd still be into an aluminum bike like GG - what's wrong with that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by starre View Post
    Probably the biggest conundrum for us Turner fans to figure out. I don't know how many years this forum has been hinting for an updated version: a bit slacker and of course a bit shorter chain stays from the 18.2" we ride on today (not "following" short) and it would have been a winner. I'm super speculating but the closing of Zen and moving to carbon pinched resources available. I'd still be into an aluminum bike like GG - what's wrong with that?
    If the results of a recent pinkbike poll question regarding how important that the COO of a buyers next frame is the US can be considered a reliable indicator, I don't know if there's a big enough market for two US manufacturers in that space. And GG just released their new long travel 29er yesterday.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullit_cn View Post
    My2011 Sultan is still a great bike and ridden it more often these days over my Czar which is setup as a race bike.
    I tried to look somewhere else for a replacement and end up going back to my trusted Sultan and now wondering will it still be coming out in the near future?
    That is what I have found with Turners. They just get recycled to my friends. They don't get obsolete just because the new stuff comes out.

    I know this isn't representative of all bikes but the 5010 I had needed pivot bearing/replacement in 1 year. While my Turner 5 Spots (the ones I've owned) have gone through years and years without needing bushing replacements. Service is to squirt the grease in at regular intervals unless I 1) come back from a LONG trip abroad somewhere 2) Have gone through some serious MUD/sludge fest.

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    sounds like somebody has a bit of inside information - please expound! One person says Dave is in Asia working on the next Sultan, nad the next person says there will be no carbon Sultan...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nmadse1 View Post
    sounds like somebody has a bit of inside information - please expound! One person says Dave is in Asia working on the next Sultan, nad the next person says there will be no carbon Sultan...
    Both reports could be accurate


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    Quote Originally Posted by incubus View Post
    Both reports could be accurate


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    Praying for a sultan again one day. The mountain bike gods will answer!

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    Good. Alloy sultan>competitors carbon

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    Any updates yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullit_cn View Post
    Any updates yet?
    Yes any updates I'm ready to upgrade from my Burner.

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    I was talking to DT about a month ago. He said that the overseas manufacturer deal fell through and that the bike would be made here in the US. Didn't give a timeline though. Also from a previous conversation he said no carbon. Aluminum only.

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    Being a small niche company with limited resources makes it harder to make more frames. I ask him too if pre-order from Turner fans will help but I guess he's thinking it through whether worth it or not...makes me think what business model does Ibis or Knolly or other small companies are doing it?
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    What's up with the Sultan?

    Not sure if I'd even pursue an aluminum Sultan. Even though my 09 has been such an amazing bike, well made carbon like the newest RFX, is hard to beat. If there was a carbon Sultan, like the RFX but 29 and 140, seems like that would be a huge winner. A lot of my friends are riding bikes in this category, just on crappy suspension.


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