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    ... and if we just ... What's the best way to convince someone they *need* a new Spot?

    My buddy who has pretty much no limit to his budget is stupidly set on buying an Enduro SL.

    What are some selling points I can use to convince him to buy a Spot instead?

    Stiffer?
    Longer lasting?
    More shock options?
    More online prestige?
    Most modding options?
    Increased penis size?

    Why am I so eager to get him on the Spot? I want a Spot, and he always buys a new bike each year, so I can snipe it off him for half price once he's done with it. Good freind, eh?

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    This is easy. Definitely increased penis size and huevos.
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    Have him read the reviews on the Enduro.
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    Have him ride one. That usually does it.

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    just let him ride yours if you have one.

    the last two friends that rode my highline are now looking for highlines to buy...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHAHEEB
    just let him ride yours if you have one.

    the last two friends that rode my highline are now looking for highlines to buy...
    I see. I should buy one, let him ride it brand new, get hooked, pay me full price for it, then buy it back half-price in one year.

    Genius!

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    MUST ride one. My Buddy came round when he rode my Spot back-to-back with his now RIP Yeti 575. He also has a Truth... yuk....

    Handling
    Bearings
    Shock placement

    Are real winners,

    I have never known a Specialized NOT to have weird quirks. Chain suck, wimpy stays, low BB, crap bearings, funky shocks (read Epic), now own brand. They often have great component mix.

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    two problems with your plan...
    1] if he has his mind set and always gets what he wants, he's gonna get the Enduro....

    2] If he did buy a Spot and spends anytime riding it, he'll most likely keep it rather than selling it to you...

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    Let him buy the Enduro, then when his fork blows up, suggest the 5 Spot. Course, that means you will be riding an Enduro for a while.

    That Enduro is one ugly bike.
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    Normaly, not always, people who have unlmited budgets also like quality so focus on that aspect!

    Sell him on the fact hes comparing a Ferrari with Alfa Romeo, Alfa's are always in the work shop, and well no comparison in explaining the Ferrari..
    Ferrari also have a waiting list build and specc to the customer, ya don't normaly walk in a just buy a

    His Enduro will spend more time getting warrentied, and Suspension which they call total system integration will have him stuck with it, his frame can't accept any other fork and though Ive heard of some going to an RP3 what a waste when spending the dollars!


    Also getting a bike built vs OEM is also more likely to give him something more custom to his/your needs rather than something made to fit eveyone, 5.5 Spot can take most combos of components and he can build a real, tal to him that he can have his shocks pushed, Ti springs, I9s wheels, blah blah none of which he can have with hi over priced Enduro, he will have an awesome bike Handmade in USA by one of the best whos CS is better than anyones, also get him to call Specialised direct to talk to them then get him to call DT, Im sure his decision after those 2 calls would be a no brainer, warning he may not want to replace it so your theory could back fire but you could always convince him to do the same next year so he keeps his stuff as new as possible and you both get to ride great bikes and both your levels of ride enjoyment rode trips will be even more special!

    Def get him to check out some reviews around the place, if that dosen't scare him then some just like to watch the UL budget swirl down the toilet
    Oh and don't let him read May's MBA, wonder what there comission is
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foamzilla
    My buddy who has pretty much no limit to his budget is stupidly set on buying an Enduro SL.

    What are some selling points I can use to convince him to buy a Spot instead?
    How about "Made In USA?"

    I saw a post on this recently in by someone who's as biased as I am, but he seemed to make a hell of a lot of sense.

    Thread was "country of origin"

    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes
    charging Made in USA prices for Taiwan manufacturing is shrewd business. Specy is probably the most offensive at this. There are other brands that are also charging within a couple hundred of a Turner, Intense, Foes, Ventana etc frame that laugh as they wipe the KY off their fist when a sale is made.
    Show him that thread and don't give him any KY.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notaknob
    How about "Made In USA?"

    I saw a post on this recently in by someone who's as biased as I am, but he seemed to make a hell of a lot of sense.

    Thread was "country of origin"

    Show him that thread and don't give him any KY.
    He's a mechanical engineer here in the US, so he's always willing to buy American over Asian products.

    I let him know about that and he's now interested in the Spot!

    Now I just have to convince him to let me use his credit card, so I can get the parts I want on there...


    On the note of Specialized and other big brands raping profits out of people. I went to REI today. For pretty much the exact same back pack I got at Big 5 for $35, they were charging $200!!!!!!!! It's amazing what these recreational markets will support in terms of profits. It's almost as if raising the price of certain things raises the percieved value and people want it more???? Might explain Specialized's insane markups this year, and I'm sure they will sell even more. OK, I need to stop, it's making me sick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foamzilla
    He's a mechanical engineer here in the US, so he's always willing to buy American over Asian products.

    I let him know about that and he's now interested in the Spot!

    Now I just have to convince him to let me use his credit card, so I can get the parts I want on there...
    Sweet, share ya desired specc so we can critique it with you add or suggest some options maybe

    What color ya keen on etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by superstock
    Have him ride one. That usually does it.
    So true. I spent a day on an Enduro Carbon Pro SL and the in-house shocks that Speshy is making suck huge donkey nads. The bike is stiff and the geo handles great, and I think are pretty snazzy looking, but the suspension.... oh gawd. It feels like you are Mike Tyson's cell mate. They are supposedly working on the dampers and reliability, but I'd give them another year to work a few more kinks out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    So true. I spent a day on an Enduro Carbon Pro SL and the in-house shocks that Speshy is making suck huge donkey nads. The bike is stiff and the geo handles great, and I think are pretty snazzy looking, but the suspension.... oh gawd. It feels like you are Mike Tyson's cell mate. They are supposedly working on the dampers and reliability, but I'd give them another year to work a few more kinks out.
    Sad thing is, they have been working on those shocks for a few years.

    I wonder if their forks are still blowing up? They had pulled them from some Enduros and replaced them with the Fox, but now I see them back on the website.

    The fact that the shock and fork are suspect on the bike would kill the deal for me, plus the proprietary parts, cable routing . . . and they don't gusset the HT so as to save some $$ . . . .

    Not a Speccy hater, btw. I liked My Epic for the time I had it. The Flux was a better bike tho.
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    Good one Spechy for trying to push the technology!

    But I went away from Cdale because of Proprietry stuff that tied you down! too many support issues, too many dealer issues, I couldn't work on it! Special tool required..

    MTB is about riding ya bike anywhere its a MacGyver knife!
    Why would you want to be pigeon holed by one manafactuer and no LBS options or be able to maintain stuff yourself or change ya fork shock and keep ya frame as ya want!

    These are some of the reasons why a Frame onley manafacturer is such a good option for Mountain Biking!

    It should be about choice, choose your platform and go from there, people are so like sheep they want everything done for them, but this leads to the wrong path in my experience! Everyones different I know!

    Look at what Shimano tried with System integration over night they alienated 50% of there market and never recovered, while they have improved and now have allowed there market to choose again instead of forcing them to have all Shimano products they will recover some ground Im sure, any other smaller company would have gone under making a mistake that big.

    For myself I avoid compaines that force you down one path, fine if they make products across the range as they as they have an industry standard, I don't expect them to make there products work better with other brands as long as they are compatible!

    Hence one of my reasons for being anti Specialised there are many more but I don't want to go down that road it brings down the community and other people who are brand loyal to Specc and thats OK, my opinion is no more right than there's just sharing my reasoning!

    I felt the same about Shimano till this year, last year I ran Saint brakes cause they came on my test bed DH bike and I really like them though I swapped them out with my codes and put them on my DJ bike, pity the rest of the Saint group fell short,though there cranks are good no issues with those, the 09 Saint looks very promising! Still a Sram man! ok diverting now

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    Quote Originally Posted by trailadvent
    Good one Spechy for trying to push the technology!
    Pushing technology off a cliff is not progress. Any one of a dozen things can go wrong with their Future Shock (ironic pun, I assume?) forks. That is a fatal combination of lousy engineering AND loooooose manufacturing tolerances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    Pushing technology off a cliff is not progress. Any one of a dozen things can go wrong with their Future Shock (ironic pun, I assume?) forks. That is a fatal combination of lousy engineering AND loooooose manufacturing tolerances.
    I hear ya, just getting greedy I suspect, Cannondale have suffered this road and Im amazed they continue with it, though to be fair it was there motorcyle program and then publicly floating the company on the stock exchange that hurt them, but everyone one esle caught up and passed them and they did not respond and I still feel they don't have the finger on the pulse!

    Speccy are in danger of a similar thing, you can only absorb so much, deffectiveness in manafacturing, processes and distribution hassles, in business number one rule is protect the value of ya core business, theyve branched into realms where others have had many years of tooling and interllectual knoweledge and maintain there core businesses, with the world going the way it is financially and rising costs, customer loyalty and potentail customers are going to become very important, if they ignore this, the past 10years of easy excess from willing cutomers will not be there, the luxuries are the first to go when times are tough and lets face it its going to get worse! enough of that though smarter people than me run these businesses and thats there concern!

    I'm not a Trek fan, but look at the new Remedy for example a perfect copy almost of the Enduro, yet no proprietry gadgets Im aware of, Lyrik fork, Fox shocks, smart by them for once, they might have a winner in that market, does nothing for me, I still think those bikes look flashy and almost like road bikes not mountain bikes maybe Im getting old and to traditional but I like bikes to look a certain way!

    When I was road riding I still preffered a traditional triangle, I took advantage of tubing manipulation for comfort in alloy frames (C Dream for example clover leaf tubing) but the bike remained purposeful and a tool first not a coffee hang out talking point!!

    Going to be interesting times over the coming year to see how things pan out!
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    the sheep jokes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cactuscorn
    suling pics.
    That does it for me Im off to buy another Turner once she posts piccs again, don't know how I can finance it being on crippple's salary and all but hey I'll chew grass to see em maybe deal some sheep manure or something organic

    Bring back the Su Ling piccs, where are the girlz anyway, they are up and down like yo yo's in and out when ever it pleases em typical
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    I will add

    Quote Originally Posted by Foamzilla
    My buddy who has pretty much no limit to his budget is stupidly set on buying an Enduro SL.

    What are some selling points I can use to convince him to buy a Spot instead?

    Stiffer?
    Longer lasting?
    More shock options?
    More online prestige?
    Most modding options?
    Increased penis size?

    Why am I so eager to get him on the Spot? I want a Spot, and he always buys a new bike each year, so I can snipe it off him for half price once he's done with it. Good freind, eh?

    Even the 08 forks and shocks are not working like they should either. I would say that he would be considered a poofta for buying an Enduro SL over a Turner......
    Try this selling point to him, ........he can put much better parts on a Spot for less money, and have a bike that rides a ton better, made by a company who is passionate about building some of the best bikes out there.
    What has the 5 Spot proven since it started showing up around 2003?
    What has the Enduro SL proven thus far?
    In this current day and age of high tech suspension on bikes retailing in the $4500 range like the Enduro SL Expert does, rear shocks and forks that rarely work correctly out of the box is unexceptable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGC
    Even the 08 forks and shocks are not working like they should either. I would say that he would be considered a poofta for buying an Enduro SL over a Turner......
    Try this selling point to him, ........he can put much better parts on a Spot for less money, and have a bike that rides a ton better, made by a company who is passionate about building some of the best bikes out there.
    What has the 5 Spot proven since it started showing up around 2003?
    What has the Enduro SL proven thus far?
    In this current day and age of high tech suspension on bikes retailing in the $4500 range like the Enduro SL Expert does, rear shocks and forks that rarely work correctly out of the box is unexceptable.
    Well said DGC !

    Speccy change completey every 2yrs 3 different models of Enduro series since the Spot came out and its an evoulution so we can grow our exisiting Spots with each change! Smart..
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