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    Quote Originally Posted by DHRracer View Post
    That is exactly the kind of thing that needs to be shared. Most Homers already know the life span of Turner's but it is good for people to be reminded of that and for those trolling to see.
    ^mmmm....that all depends on your riding style and what you ride, no way a frame is going to last me 12 years.

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    Yeah I would be concerned riding a 12 year old aluminum frame, Turner's are solid and all but they are not designed to have that kind of life span like implied. I usually ride an aluminum FS frame for 3-5 years and feel lucky if I don't have any issues

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    That's just flat out wrong. There are 30 year old mountain bikes made from steel and aluminum still cranking away on the trails every day. To say that an '06 bike is well out of it's usable lifespan is ridiculous.

    Maybe for you it is, but painting every bike and rider with a broad brush is pretty foolish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DHRracer View Post
    That may be changing soon. I would suspect a 29er. I am just speculating.
    Correct. An alloy Sultan.I am sure the dozen or so riders that buy it will like it.

    I gave up waiting on a carbon Sultan and picked up a bike from a different brand. Carbon and 29'ers go together like pizza and beer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apexspeed View Post
    That's just flat out wrong. There are 30 year old mountain bikes made from steel and aluminum still cranking away on the trails every day. To say that an '06 bike is well out of it's usable lifespan is ridiculous.

    Maybe for you it is, but painting every bike and rider with a broad brush is pretty foolish.
    I said I would be concerned, never said it wasn't usable, and I wasn't "painting" anything

    Email Turner and ask them, I have no doubt there are older Turners still around depending on how they have been ridden, but my guess is Turner would say 5 years of life span on avg. Also, comparing old steel hardtails from 30 years ago to modern aluminum FS frames is pretty foolish

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaDude View Post
    Now, this is an interesting assessment. There were some heated discussions back in the day when DT went DW. I should know.

    Well, this has made this more interesting. So would this be the return of the homer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaDude View Post
    Actually, having had a recent conversation with DT, there are not too many cost benefits as a small manufacturer when it comes to designing and making carbon bikes over aluminum.

    As to the OP,...The Turner forum is the only manufacturer forum that I visit here on MTBR. It's like a good old pair of shoes. I can't really say the same thing about my bike, though. I'm still wearing it.

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    OP here, that was my point. The Turner forum was in it's day a great group of peeps with a Turner or two in common. Even outsiders without a Turner such as myself dropped in on occasion to check out the latest humor infused responses. I recently came to realize Turners were not really in the picture as they once were. As someone up above stated, most of the newer up and coming riders never even heard of a Turner. Yet back in the day they were a lust worthy top end bike that everyone knew about.

    Carbon / aluminum, and keeping up to the ever ending changing industry seems to be their downfall. Intense just recently announced [quietly] aluminum is a thing of the past. No more made in the USA hand made aluminum frames. Only carbon made over seas. I find it very sad that a company such as Intense who built their reputation on hand build in the USA aluminum frames is forced to follow carbon only sales. For several years they offered both. Now Turner seems to be heading in the same direction. The industry is changing faster than most smaller boutique companies can keep up.

    Sad story, here > https://m.pinkbike.com/news/opinion-the-table.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by apexspeed View Post
    That's just flat out wrong. There are 30 year old mountain bikes made from steel and aluminum still cranking away on the trails every day. To say that an '06 bike is well out of it's usable lifespan is ridiculous.

    Maybe for you it is, but painting every bike and rider with a broad brush is pretty foolish.
    Do some reading on the fatigue life of Aluminum! It's not broad brush it's material science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    OP here, that was my point. The Turner forum was in it's day a great group of peeps with a Turner or two in common. Even outsiders without a Turner such as myself dropped in on occasion to check out the latest humor infused responses. I recently came to realize Turners were not really in the picture as they once were. As someone up above stated, most of the newer up and coming riders never even heard of a Turner. Yet back in the day they were a lust worthy top end bike that everyone knew about.

    Carbon / aluminum, and keeping up to the ever ending changing industry seems to be their downfall. Intense just recently announced [quietly] aluminum is a thing of the past. No more made in the USA hand made aluminum frames. Only carbon made over seas. I find it very sad that a company such as Intense who built their reputation on hand build in the USA aluminum frames is forced to follow carbon only sales. For several years they offered both. Now Turner seems to be heading in the same direction. The industry is changing faster than most smaller boutique companies can keep up.

    Sad story, here > https://m.pinkbike.com/news/opinion-the-table.html
    I think back in the day, with bikes, forks and components, there was a lots of modification going on. Changing travel, altering angles. Heck, I remember when we had to put our cogs together to make the perfect cassette. For good or for bad, those days are gone. Heck, in that story about Intense, they mentioned that frame sales have dried up, people want complete bikes. Bikes now are an appliance. Turner was one of the few companies that made high end bikes. Now, there are so many companies making good bikes - many of which we don't even get in the USA.

    The Intense story is sad as it is a reflection of the bike industry as a whole. But we, the consumer, are to blame.
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    I think Dave never really reached the heights of the 06 RFX - the nadir of bike design and still looking exactly the same in my garage...

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    Hi, just hijacking another post about the RFX and the possibility of an updated one. Dmar123 you are right. Every year the Treks. Specialised etc brands turn out new models, colours etc. This keeps the brands in the limelight. I guess that's why the interest in other forums. Turner don't and in my opinion that's all for the better.
    If I was going to buy from the mainstream manufacturers I would wait a year and get one in the sale with thousands ££££$$$$$$ off. But I'm not as I reckon my DWR 5 Spot is just as good. You see lots of Volkswagen's but not many Ferrari's.
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    If the PB poll is any indication of the market as a whole, it shows exactly what happened to this forum:

    Pinkbike Poll
    Which is the brand of the complete bike will you likely purchase next?

    45
    Antidote

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    Airborne

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    Atomlab

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    Banshee

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    Balfa

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    Bergamont

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    Bionicon

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    Black Market

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    BMC

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    Canfield

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    Cannondale

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    Canyon

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    Chromag

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    Commencal

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    Cove

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    Cube

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    Dartmoor

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    Devinci

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    Diamondback

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    DMR

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    Ellsworth

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    Evil

    7
    Felt

    16
    Focus

    10
    Foes

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    Fugi

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    GT

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    Ghost

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    Haro

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    Ibis

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    Intense

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    Jamis

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    KHS

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    Knolly

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    Liteville

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    Look

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    Nicolai

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    Nukeproof

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    Pivot

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    Propain

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    Polygon

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    Pole

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    Rocky Mountain

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    Scott

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    Specialized

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    Sunn

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    Transition

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    Trek

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    Whyte Bikes

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    Yeti

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    YT Industries

    59
    Zerode

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    Other

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    Unno

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    If Turner bikes are being purchased by fewer and fewer riders, then who keeps the forum alive? Yes, there are other social media outlets that compete with this board, and yes that has decreased interaction, but again, if fewer Turners are being sold, well....
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    I think I'm getting a Fugi.

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    beat Ellsworth...all that matters.

    YT though! ....

    I compared these two brands a few posts back, but hey what do I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bond007jms View Post
    If Turner bikes are being purchased by fewer and fewer riders, then who keeps the forum alive? Yes, there are other social media outlets that compete with this board, and yes that has decreased interaction, but again, if fewer Turners are being sold, well....
    Those figures don't paint a great picture eh.
    When you offer fewer models of course there's going to be less people purchasing that brand overall (and then talking about them on the internet). I'm sure the RFX, Flux and Czar are great bikes if they're the kind of bike you're looking for, but there HUGE sections of the market that won't even look at Turner because they don't offer the kind of bike they want. The Trail/Enduro 29er market seems to be exploding, bikes like the SC Hightower are hugely popular but there's no Turner option there. In fact for almost anyone looking for a 29er, other than those who want an XC race bike that can double as a trail bike, Turner isn't even an option.

    I get that going from US-made alloy to Asian-made carbon is a big jump for a small manufacturer to make, and that making sure everything is dialled before committing to a production run is even more important, but it really does seem to me like Turner has dropped the ball when it comes to having continuity in their line-up. It's not that there are less people buying Turners, at least on a sales-per-model basis (I seem to recall someone here saying that the RFX sales have out-numbered both model of Burner by a considerable margin?), I think the decline in overall popularity is more likely because there are less Turners out there for people to buy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David R View Post
    Those figures don't paint a great picture eh.
    When you offer fewer models of course there's going to be less people purchasing that brand overall (and then talking about them on the internet). I'm sure the RFX, Flux and Czar are great bikes if they're the kind of bike you're looking for, but there HUGE sections of the market that won't even look at Turner because they don't offer the kind of bike they want. The Trail/Enduro 29er market seems to be exploding, bikes like the SC Hightower are hugely popular but there's no Turner option there. In fact for almost anyone looking for a 29er, other than those who want an XC race bike that can double as a trail bike, Turner isn't even an option.

    I get that going from US-made alloy to Asian-made carbon is a big jump for a small manufacturer to make, and that making sure everything is dialled before committing to a production run is even more important, but it really does seem to me like Turner has dropped the ball when it comes to having continuity in their line-up. It's not that there are less people buying Turners, at least on a sales-per-model basis (I seem to recall someone here saying that the RFX sales have out-numbered both model of Burner by a considerable margin?), I think the decline in overall popularity is more likely because there are less Turners out there for people to buy.
    Funny, I went back to the RFX after a long travel 29er...turns out I wanted to go faster, my results confirm it.

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    Jaymen, glad your results prove you're faster on the RFX. For me this isn't the case as I'm faster and have more fun on my Wreckoning. Again,DT makes great bikes but not having an option for either a mid or long travel 29er makes Turner mostly irrelevant (to me at least). That said, I would love to consider Turner again, but for now there is nothing in the lineup that is of interest. Finally, Turner of all brands was the last I thought I would see go to PF bottom brackets. Not a deal breaker, just a surprise based on Turner's history regarding quality and ease of use/service.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bond007jms View Post
    If the PB poll is any indication of the market as a whole, it shows exactly what happened to this forum:

    Pinkbike Poll
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    If Turner bikes are being purchased by fewer and fewer riders, then who keeps the forum alive? Yes, there are other social media outlets that compete with this board, and yes that has decreased interaction, but again, if fewer Turners are being sold, well....
    That is also a very European heavy poll. Honestly, have you every seen an Orange in the USA? Sunn? And who knew that Iron Horse was still around.

    Honestly, I would take that poll with a grain of salt. But with that said, I think Turner has lost ground. People don't know the brand anymore. How is it that Pivot's are everywhere when they basically started 7 years ago but Turner is struggling - and basically making similar bikes? And in many ways, the Turner is even cheaper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chowdapilot View Post
    Finally, Turner of all brands was the last I thought I would see go to PF bottom brackets. Not a deal breaker, just a surprise based on Turner's history regarding quality and ease of use/service.
    Exactly- Turner using PF30 says more about that standard (when done right, and not including the myriad other "standards") than it does about Turner, IMO.

    I was a PF skeptic as much as anyone who had heard the horror stories, but have had zero issues in a combined 3.5 years on Turners with PF30 bb's. I realize you can run a BB30 crankset on a threaded BB these days, but with carbon manufacturing the larger shell (and bearings) of an internal BB just make more sense to me.
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    Veggibiker nailed it earlier, it was the move to DW and the fugly aluminum bikes, sorry guys my opinion. His carbon bikes are very nice tho, real clean lines like his old bikes. Bottom line is the bikes have to look good as well as ride good at the prices they are charging. The homers weren't helping either when they squashed differing opinions about the looks of the aluminum DW bikes, like "I don't see the bike when I'm riding it". Ok whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus View Post
    That is also a very European heavy poll. Honestly, have you every seen an Orange in the USA? Sunn? And who they knew that Iron Horse was still around.

    Honestly, I would take that poll with a grain of salt. But with that said, I think Turner has lost ground. People don't know the brand anymore. How is it that Pivot's are everywhere when they basically started 7 years ago but Turner is struggling - and basically making similar bikes? And in many ways, the Turner is even cheaper.
    How do you know Turner is struggling? Maybe they are selling as many bikes as they can handle with their staff of 3 or 4. Pivot has 80+. Pivot clearly has different goals than Turner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    How do you know Turner is struggling? Maybe they are selling as many bikes as they can handle with their staff of 3 or 4. Pivot has 80+. Pivot clearly has different goals than Turner.
    Thats what I'm saying though, I dont think anyone really knows these days. A little video piece about Turner bikes up on Pinkbike might do him some good...its been a while since we really seen/heard anything on Turner bikes especially since he went carbon.

    Turner regularly posts on instagram and Facebook and it looks like from that they are doing just fine and having a good time.

    Regardless the size of a company when things are quiet you gotta wonder. As a Turner bike owner I wish there was more out there from Turner, whether its a "inside look at Turner bikes" video or just more video coverage of his racing teams.

    They got some decent coverage of Sea Otter up on their Facebook page...Jonna Petterson took third at the Sea Otter Enduro on the RFX

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    How do you know Turner is struggling? Maybe they are selling as many bikes as they can handle with their staff of 3 or 4. Pivot has 80+. Pivot clearly has different goals than Turner.
    None of know that Turner is "struggling." But that possibility is implicit in this very thread. "what happened to this forum?" is essentially "what is happening to Turner?"

    We're all noticing that the "density" of Turners in the bike population is apparently down considerably. And we're simultaneously noticing that some former peers of Turner have grown far larger in the meantime.

    Dave's business model has shifted dramatically in the past 2-3 years. When his frames were built in Portland, he could make very small, incremental orders with relatively short leadtimes. I'm guessing that inventory planning was not a challenge. Capital costs to introduce new models were minimal. Engineering/design with straight-tube aluminum is far less complex (and less costly) than composites.

    In the built-overseas and/or carbon world, that all changes. Mold costs, volume commitments to secure manufacturing capacity, outsourcing carbon composite FEA work, and other factors must substantially complicate Dave's world. Per-unit costs may be lower than the past, but the capital costs are dramatically different. With high fixed costs and a very small product portfolio, the consequences of a mis-step are very high. I assume that any new model needs to be pretty successful to generate decent profits.

    Is a sub-10-person company even viable in this sort of industry? Most of us here hope so, but I don't think we really know.

    Certainly there is reason for concern. Turner has an almost non-existent dealer footprint. That obviously didn't hurt the YT numbers in the Pinkbike poll, but YT is operating on a totally different scale, and positioning themselves as a price/value choice. Turner has only 3 models (I'm ignoring the cross bike), and of those 3, only the RFX appears to be "popular" (guess based on anecdotal evidence). I don't know Dave's financials, or his ambitions, but intuitively it seems like a viable business in this industry needs more scale than he currently has.

    So for the sake of Turner, and for my own selfish interest, please give us a killer new Sultan!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    How do you know Turner is struggling? Maybe they are selling as many bikes as they can handle with their staff of 3 or 4. Pivot has 80+. Pivot clearly has different goals than Turner.

    Never said struggling. Based upon my own experience, I don't think Turner has the same name recognition as it did 5-10 years ago. There sales could actually be the exact same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus View Post
    Never said struggling. Based upon my own experience, I don't think Turner has the same name recognition as it did 5-10 years ago. There sales could actually be the exact same.
    Re-read your last post. Maybe it was meant in a different context? Whatever, the point that name recognition isn't big anymore certainly is valid. I used to see way more visitors riding Turners in Sedona. Now it's Ibis and Pivot amongst others. I just hope DT keeps making bikes. Sure love the RFX.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InertiaMan View Post
    None of know that Turner is "struggling." But that possibility is implicit in this very thread. "what happened to this forum?" is essentially "what is happening to Turner?"

    We're all noticing that the "density" of Turners in the bike population is apparently down considerably. And we're simultaneously noticing that some former peers of Turner have grown far larger in the meantime.

    Dave's business model has shifted dramatically in the past 2-3 years. When his frames were built in Portland, he could make very small, incremental orders with relatively short leadtimes. I'm guessing that inventory planning was not a challenge. Capital costs to introduce new models were minimal. Engineering/design with straight-tube aluminum is far less complex (and less costly) than composites.

    In the built-overseas and/or carbon world, that all changes. Mold costs, volume commitments to secure manufacturing capacity, outsourcing carbon composite FEA work, and other factors must substantially complicate Dave's world. Per-unit costs may be lower than the past, but the capital costs are dramatically different. With high fixed costs and a very small product portfolio, the consequences of a mis-step are very high. I assume that any new model needs to be pretty successful to generate decent profits.

    Is a sub-10-person company even viable in this sort of industry? Most of us here hope so, but I don't think we really know.

    Certainly there is reason for concern. Turner has an almost non-existent dealer footprint. That obviously didn't hurt the YT numbers in the Pinkbike poll, but YT is operating on a totally different scale, and positioning themselves as a price/value choice. Turner has only 3 models (I'm ignoring the cross bike), and of those 3, only the RFX appears to be "popular" (guess based on anecdotal evidence). I don't know Dave's financials, or his ambitions, but intuitively it seems like a viable business in this industry needs more scale than he currently has.

    So for the sake of Turner, and for my own selfish interest, please give us a killer new Sultan!

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    DW itself is still awesome. Personally, I like carbon Boost 29ers and 27.5+ bikes now. I'm hopeful to see some future Turners like this. Alloy rear triangle works too. If I had a spare million, I'd help Dave with a new model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    Re-read your last post. Maybe it was meant in a different context? Whatever, the point that name recognition isn't big anymore certainly is valid. I used to see way more visitors riding Turners in Sedona. Now it's Ibis and Pivot amongst others. I just hope DT keeps making bikes. Sure love the RFX.
    Agree 100%. I love my 5-Spot and am waiting for the new Sultan. Could make a bike out of steel for all I care. Just make sure it has that Turner ride that I have come to love. Great on the ground and great in the air!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus View Post
    That is also a very European heavy poll. Honestly, have you every seen an Orange in the USA? Sunn? And who knew that Iron Horse was still around.

    Honestly, I would take that poll with a grain of salt. But with that said, I think Turner has lost ground. People don't know the brand anymore. How is it that Pivot's are everywhere when they basically started 7 years ago but Turner is struggling - and basically making similar bikes? And in many ways, the Turner is even cheaper.
    I don't understand the relevance with the poll including European bikes. If anything the number should be much higher with a larger market.

    Compare just the US brands. Yeti, Santa Cruz and Intense. We can spin it anyway we want however the writing on the wall doesn't look good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeZee View Post
    I don't understand the relevance with the poll including European bikes. If anything the number should be much higher with a larger market.

    Compare just the US brands. Yeti, Santa Cruz and Intense. We can spin it anyway we want however the writing on the wall doesn't look good.
    Yeah, but Turner is always been pretty US focused. There name recognition in the Europe has never been great. It is like doing a poll on MBA and finding that only 4 people were looking to buy a Nicolai.

    But I agree, Turner recognition is not pointing in the right direction and needs to get back in the spotlight.
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    I own a RFX and love it and the brand. Obviously, Turner is famously resistant to just hopping on the latest trend, so they've never been a brand of hype, annual overhauls of lineups that are already good, or some new tech causing us all to have outdated gear - it's part of the appeal. But even so, having followed them for awhile now, it does "feel" like something has slowed down a bit at Turner.

    Whether that's a sign of a business problem, a voluntary purist rebellion against needless and costly upgrades, some combination of both, or something else is anybody's guess.

    However, I would say that brand names can certainly be impacted by voids where people resort to speculation. It seems that most folks here agree that there's somewhat of a void with Turner right now, if for no other reason than just lack of messaging about the future. Anyways, hope it's nothing.

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    I think Ellsworth is scraping by and trying to sell whatever models they can come up with. It is no longer the Ellsworth of old. I hardly see them. I think Colorado is a pretty good gauge of what is selling well.

    Ventana is a slightly different story but I don't see any more of his bikes out there either. While Ventana sales have most likely dropped a lot since the 2007/8 timeframe, Sherwood does a lot of other contract manufacturing on metal parts, from what I understand. So he never only relied on bike sales though prob does some custom bike sales now, in addition to the regular stock frames...just not that many. He builds among the stiffest bikes out there...something we don't see much anymore except from a handful of smaller companies. I sometimes wish he had updated his suspension design. I have owned two Ventanas but never an Ellsworth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaDude View Post
    Hmmm...well, these guys are from the same generation of bike manufacturers. Might be cool to see them collaborate on a project, or two. Between the three of them there is a lot of experience. I bet there is some tweak they can make with a Horst Link. They probably don't have it in them, though. Too old, and too tired.
    Well, they did. At one time Ventana make the frames for Turner.

    Sherwood keeps plugging along with his same outdated suspension design and doesn't seem to care much. I broke two Ventanas and then having the 3rd stolen and getting a 5-spot was one of the best things that ever happened to me. LOL.
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    Hmmm...well, these guys are from the same generation of bike manufacturers. Might be cool to see them collaborate on a project, or two. Between the three of them there is a lot of experience. I bet there is some tweak they can make with a Horst Link. They probably don't have it in them, though. Too old, and too tired.
    You may be on to something. If you look at that list, what are people looking to buy: Commencial, Canyon, YT, Norco, Rocky Mountain, Transition, etc. They are all SP or HL type bikes. With the advent of the single chainring, those suspension designs are all relevant.
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    DT on design, Sherwood on prototype/engineering, and Tony heading up the sales and distribution. :
    It'd be a cold day in hell before that happens considering the history between turner and Ellsworth. Tony's ICT patent effectively made Turner go to TNT to avoid paying him royalties. Partnering with Ellsworth would ensure Turner's downfall imho!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus View Post
    You may be on to something. If you look at that list, what are people looking to buy: Commencial, Canyon, YT, Norco, Rocky Mountain, Transition, etc. They are all SP or HL type bikes. With the advent of the single chainring, those suspension designs are all relevant.
    meh, Im not sure that it has anything to do w HL linkage.

    All those companies have a pretty good marketing platform and a presence in the bike industry. Most of those guys have a solid race team and are constantly getting coverage whether it be internet, mags, and videos...that is a huge driving force behind sales.

    Would make no difference if they were DW, VP, HL...most folks buy what they see and what all their fav pros are riding...There are exceptions but this is the case (much)more often then not.

    YT has the hottest team right now, their marketing is great, their bikes look good, ride good, and are direct sales pricing....They did it right, hats off to them.

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    I wonder the ages of people buying Turners. I just get the inclination that 35years and upwards maybe older. At 52 years I started riding a Turner around 10 years ago. There were a few factors reviews, reputation, made in the USA and Turner service in no specific order.
    There were a few of us from the North of England. Mr Pink, Prof etc. What happened? Those who ride Turners are not fashion victims. Just because a bike has a new colour every year does not make it better. But the big manufacturers market their products in such away.
    Why this forum is slowing down is why I moved to Turner from Santa Cruz in the first place. Made in the USA for many is a selling point. What ever Dave tries he can't match the big boys for filling order books with builders in Taiwan or China. Thus whist the price of mainstream bikes are lower Dave can't afford to match them.
    OK I have £6000 burning a hole in my pocket. Even though it's more expensive Alchemy just ticks all the boxes. But I have only £3000 Cannondale, Whyte etc. Turner is stuck between a rock and a hard place. I hope Turner is not just ticking over and their are major developments to be seen soon. Bring back made in the USA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaDude View Post
    Also, consider that the gearbox is somewhere in the near future. Still lots of leg room to play with suspension if you take variable chain tension out of the mix.

    DT on design, Sherwood on prototype/engineering, and Tony heading up the sales and distribution.

    Of course, the rest of the industry can keep arguing about wheel sizes...
    gawd, thats all Turner needs is to team up with two dead brands and make a Turner Ellsworth bike baby that would be the ugliest bike in the industry...instant death, kill me now.

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    Dmar, it will also incorporate i-drive, GT baby. Dont forget the i-drive. That F-ing linkage would get loose on me every other month and it was like i was driving an articulating bus, dragging a bowling ball down the trail on a chain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyerose123 View Post

    1-I wonder the ages of people buying Turners. I just get the inclination that 35years and upwards maybe older...


    2-Those who ride Turners are not fashion victims.

    3-Just because a bike has a new colour every year does not make it better. But the big manufacturers market their products in such away.

    4-Made in the USA for many is a selling point.

    5-What ever Dave tries he can't match the big boys for filling order books with builders in Taiwan or China.

    6-Thus whist the price of mainstream bikes are lower Dave can't afford to match them.

    7-Turner is stuck between a rock and a hard place.

    8-I hope Turner is not just ticking over and their are major developments to be seen soon.

    9-Bring back made in the USA.
    1-probably
    2-yes they are
    3-it is. marketing. it works, like it or not.
    4-for a very few
    5-he doesn't need to
    6-he can beat them- direct sales pricing
    7-lame excuse tired of hearing it
    8-me too, would be great to hear from Turner
    9-meh...pricing is more important

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    haha this has got to be the best thing I've seen in a while...


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    YT was a hit not because of its race team but because it offered a great bike at a great price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmar123 View Post
    haha this has got to be the best thing I've seen in a while...

    LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmar123 View Post
    meh, Im not sure that it has anything to do w HL linkage.

    All those companies have a pretty good marketing platform and a presence in the bike industry. Most of those guys have a solid race team and are constantly getting coverage whether it be internet, mags, and videos...that is a huge driving force behind sales.

    Would make no difference if they were DW, VP, HL...most folks buy what they see and what all their fav pros are riding...There are exceptions but this is the case (much)more often then not.

    YT has the hottest team right now, their marketing is great, their bikes look good, ride good, and are direct sales pricing....They did it right, hats off to them.
    No, but I am saying I don't think people are as obsessed with new suspension designs as they used to be. I think if you can make a HL or SP bike and sell it at a reasonable price, it will sell.
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    Hi Dmarr, I take some of your points but I hope DT continues to roll out innovated bikes. For me the most important part is the frame, that's why I'm on this forum. Others the suspension, components etc. The heart of the bike is the frame and all the other stuff should compliment this. There are a multitude of frames/bikes fighting and as mentioned the name Turner is falling into obscurity. For £$€++++ I have to admit I'd check out the competition first.
    DT is one of the fortunate few who has combined a love of mountain bikes with a business. He is out to make money and no one can blame him for that. I just feel there was so much buzz about Turner bikes a few years ago than now. Bikes flying off the production line. More variety. Remember the activity on here when a DHR won. What happened?
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    What happened? The title of this thread is what happened to the Turner forum. Because it's slow and folks, especially original homers from the mid 2000s don't post anymore, some of you equate the Turner brand as going extinct and poor DT out of business.

    What happened is what has happened to most of the other forums on mtbr. Most folks spend more time on FB and other social media outlets. MTBR is what is dying, not necessarily Turner Bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trajan View Post
    YT was a hit not because of its race team but because it offered a great bike at a great price.
    Its all of the above, if you dont think having top riders helps sell bikes your mistaking. Like i said In my previous post, great bikes, great price, good looking bikes, solid marketing, top notch team. These are all components that contribute to additional bike sales. Never said one of them alone is responsible for their success...my point is they got all the boxes checked.


    Consider this though, if YT's bikes looked funky say like Ellsworth, I think they would be struggling to sell bikes big time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus View Post
    No, but I am saying I don't think people are as obsessed with new suspension designs as they used to be. I think if you can make a HL or SP bike and sell it at a reasonable price, it will sell.
    oh for sure I agree w you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    What happened? The title of this thread is what happened to the Turner forum. Because it's slow and folks, especially original homers from the mid 2000s don't post anymore, some of you equate the Turner brand as going extinct and poor DT out of business.

    What happened is what has happened to most of the other forums on mtbr. Most folks spend more time on FB and other social media outlets. MTBR is what is dying, not necessarily Turner Bikes.
    Sure, but as others have said, the question of what's happening to the site is basically a question of what's happening at Turner. It has been "quiet" at Turner (even for Turner standards) - which is pretty much what folks are saying. It's mere speculation as to what that means, but, I do think it's pretty safe to say that it's never good from a marketing standpoint to be perceived as having gone quiet. Quiet leads to speculation and then lack of control over your messaging. Marketing 101 is to always control your message.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenmtb View Post
    Sure, but as others have said, the question of what's happening to the site is basically a question of what's happening at Turner. It has been "quiet" at Turner (even for Turner standards) - which is pretty much what folks are saying. It's mere speculation as to what that means, but, I do think it's pretty safe to say that it's never good from a marketing standpoint to be perceived as having gone quiet. Quiet leads to speculation and then lack of control over your messaging. Marketing 101 is to always control your message.
    ^somebody gets it

    Turners instagram and Facebook seem to be going well...maybe its us who are the problem and irrelevant, were still posting on forums haha!

    https://www.facebook.com/turnerbikes
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmar123 View Post
    ^somebody gets it

    Turners instagram and Facebook seem to be going well...maybe its us who are the problem and irrelevant, were still posting on forums haha!

    https://www.facebook.com/turnerbikes
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmar123 View Post
    ^somebody gets it

    Turners instagram and Facebook seem to be going well...maybe its us who are the problem and irrelevant, were still posting on forums haha!

    https://www.facebook.com/turnerbikes
    https://www.instagram.com/turnerbikes/
    Yep. Guess we're modern Luddites.

    Anyways, yeah, it seems Turner social media is active and that's encouraging. Maybe Turner is just happy with its lineup right now...and that's fine with me. I see no need to upgrade from my RFX anytime soon. Nonetheless, social media aside, it certainly does seem quiet.

    Oh well.

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    Just checked out Instagram and I am on the Official Turner Facebook page and the Turner owners one. Afraid these aren't overflowing with posts. Details about Sea Otter which is good to see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skyerose123 View Post
    Just checked out Instagram and I am on the Official Turner Facebook page and the Turner owners one. Afraid these aren't overflowing with posts. Details about Sea Otter which is good to see.
    What details about Sea Otter?
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    That, they are still in business.
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    Back in black.

    Finally trails are dry (some of them at least) in Alaska and I am back to riding the RFX. So nice and the bike is still a battle axe, leveling and crushing all before it.

    Edit: Screw that, this ride today was even better!
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    Bump, for awesome ride today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Back in black.

    Finally trails are dry (some of them at least) in Alaska and I am back to riding the RFX. So nice and the bike is still a battle axe, leveling and crushing all before it.

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    Sadly I don't even ride anymore, let alone my new RFX hat I bought 3 weeks before the child was born. I am just starting to peek at the forums again after a 15 month absence. Who nows maybe there is a ride in my future soon. The wife just graduated this past week.
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    What's happened? Nothing?! Dave, everyone looked and appreciated your comments and advice. You don't seem to be on here anymore. Where is the best place to chat about Turner bikes and get support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skyerose123 View Post
    What's happened? Nothing?! Dave, everyone looked and appreciated your comments and advice. You don't seem to be on here anymore. Where is the best place to chat about Turner bikes and get support.
    I think Dave is busy riding his Czar and cross bike!I emailed him about a bearing kit for my rfx but just got a list of the bearing sizes,not like the old days!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrexpink View Post
    I think Dave is busy riding his Czar and cross bike!I emailed him about a bearing kit for my rfx but just got a list of the bearing sizes,not like the old days!
    I'd rather have the bearing sizes, because they are so easy to get these days from bearing shops or amazon/ebay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrexpink View Post
    I think Dave is busy riding his Czar and cross bike!I emailed him about a bearing kit for my rfx but just got a list of the bearing sizes,not like the old days!
    Had an issue with the bearings in my Flux and asked for all the bearing sizes a few times, never got an answer but did get replacements sent to me for the ones causing problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    I'd rather have the bearing sizes, because they are so easy to get these days from bearing shops or amazon/ebay.
    It would be helpful if bearing sizes or part number was listed on the website,i have had to get the bearings from several different suppliers so not the easiest option! Apart from this small problem the rfx has been great!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrexpink View Post
    It would be helpful if bearing sizes or part number was listed on the website,i have had to get the bearings from several different suppliers so not the easiest option! Apart from this small problem the rfx has been great!
    Bearing #'s are stamped on the covers, should be easy to identify

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmar123 View Post
    Bearing #'s are stamped on the covers, should be easy to identify
    Yes,but it would be nice if the info was on the web as when the bike is not in front of you it would make it easy or better still if I could get a rebuild kit of Turner or the UK importer!

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    yeah, stay far away from tony ellsworth. He is like the black death.
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    A some what differing perspective about seeing less Turners on the trails.

    I am after a CX bike, the Cyclosis ticks most of the boxes and having another Turner hanging in the garage will be nice. I live in a country without a dealer / importer, but we do have boguns, koala's and two headed family orientated buggers way down south.

    The Cyclosis is relatively affordable, at 1100 USD (frame and fork). Once you convert the currency and pay imports it's starting to get expensive, but still manageable for a boutique frame.

    But my issue is, and why myself and others on the trails won't be buying to many Turners is the shipping costs are absolutely insane.

    Worldwide Saver (UPS): $1,008.29
    Worldwide Expedited Standard (UPS): $717.76
    Worldwide Express Plus (UPS): $2,037.42
    Worldwide Express (UPS): $1,995.52

    Many of the German online stores, which cover a large range of brands will ship for a flat fee of 20-50 euro. I can buy locally a complete CX bike, alloy OR carbon frame and fork, with a passable group set, wheels and randon bits for substantially cheaper than the Cyclosis, once the deliver is taken into account.

    So doing the sums, $1195 (frame / fork) $717 (delivery) = 1812usd.

    $1812 usd / converted to aud $2432 + 15% (imports) approx $2800 aud.

    Then suddenly comparing - SC stigmata 3700aud hundred, life time warranty - taken care of locally, Polygon Bend RV 1600aud, complete with nice build.

    I know its not Dave's fault as to what delivery costs, but it adds 40% to the cost of buying the frame, then only a 2 year warranty compared to a life time on many of the large brands.

    From someone living on the other side of the world, with many excellent options available Turner is no longer even vaguely competitive on price and warranty. I still own a flux, and my first turner was a Afterburner DH - mid 97, but when I went to place an order last week, the delivery price broke the camels back so to speak.

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    The aluminum cross bike is surprising to me, I mean most prefer carbon or steel it seems. I have a steel La Cruz and love it but could see trying a lighter carbon bike mine weighs 25lbs. I realize aluminum is light and more affordable but it can be rigid and hard on the ole back, it would make more sense if it was a US company building them but it's made overseas right?

    I'm sure he has a good reason but why not make a carbon version if he wants to keep a CX bike in his lineup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by InertiaMan View Post

    We're all noticing that the "density" of Turners in the bike population is apparently down considerably. And we're simultaneously noticing that some former peers of Turner have grown far larger in the meantime.
    There are also many more bikes being sold, so Turners sales may be flat. Remember, Turner is what it because of the loyal customer base and Turner's customers service. But yes, Turner has huge challenges and the brand appears to be losing ground relative to other brands. Is the Turner operation sustainable? Who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tickle View Post
    The aluminum cross bike is surprising to me, I mean most prefer carbon or steel it seems. I have a steel La Cruz and love it but could see trying a lighter carbon bike mine weighs 25lbs. I realize aluminum is light and more affordable but it can be rigid and hard on the ole back, it would make more sense if it was a US company building them but it's made overseas right?

    I'm sure he has a good reason but why not make a carbon version if he wants to keep a CX bike in his lineup?
    I would same most CX racers don't prefer carbon at least in SOCAL from what I've seen. Most are on Al bikes, since those hit the price point most people want for a 2nd or 3rd bike since most people racing CX secondary to their normal racing.

    Dave is putting a lot of CX bikes out the door from what I've seen. A lot of folks are buying them for gravel type races.

    I think people loose sight that A) Most people don't need carbon and it doesn't gain them anything really, B) A lot people don't want to spend 2k for a frame. C) Sometimes being the alternate is good thing, you actually sell more than being a like me company.

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    Doing something different makes sense I guess, I much prefer my La Cruz over my old aluminum Redline but I don't do the race thing. Yeah I don't feel the need for a carbon CX or gravel style bike but would choose that over aluminum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tickle View Post
    Doing something different makes sense I guess, I much prefer my La Cruz over my old aluminum Redline but I don't do the race thing. Yeah I don't feel the need for a carbon CX or gravel style bike but would choose that over aluminum.
    Depends on how you choose to build it. Anything can be stiff and anything can be complaint. I have a steel road bike that's stiffer than anything I've ever ridden, because it was built to be that way.

    The Cyclosys actually rides pretty smooth Dave designed it to be pretty complaint. Take a loot at how the stays are designed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uphill=sad View Post
    But my issue is, and why myself and others on the trails won't be buying to many Turners is the shipping costs are absolutely insane.

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    Worldwide Expedited Standard (UPS): $717.76
    Worldwide Express Plus (UPS): $2,037.42
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    Agree, that is insane.

    It only cost me $120 postage for my RFX, that was with USPS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D01 View Post
    Agree, that is insane.

    It only cost me $120 postage for my RFX, that was with USPS.
    The trick for affordable international shipping via USPS (Priority Intl) is to stay at 97 inches or less length+girth. Which is about $120 to AU from USA. So smaller frame sizes and/or full susp frames w/ swingarms removed can be shipped cheaply, assuming the shipper uses an optimal box.

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    Precisely I've shipped frames to OZ from the US by trimming down the box and removing the stays.

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    I've heard rumours about a carbon Sultan with upright 75 deg seat angle and long reach.


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    I have not read this thread except for the title. Maybe some of you have no idea how big or how small the companies are under the Manufacturers Forum, but I have a general idea and it's appalling that Specialized andTrek, both in excess of a billion dollars a year and are pulling less than 200 ppl to their respective forums. Impressive is that Santa Cruz, at an estimated 150 million +/- 50 million a year is pulling a few more at this very instant. Think about it, roughly a tenth of the juggernauts size and pulling more people... As for the Turner Bikes clan here, I think this forum is going really well when one considers that FaceBlog is the #1 place for people to hang out and talk about them selves, PinkBike and Vital are places to hang out and view endless advertainment stories and videos masquerading as news, and Insta what the ****, SnatchChat and twiddle are for those with attention deficit disorder. Now at this moment the Turner Forum has a few dozen skimming thru and when taking in the size difference between say Trek and Turner bikes I am good with that. And in case anyone is wondering how big a company Turner Bikes is, well our yearly sales would not cover the Trek Post It note budget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes View Post
    I have not read this thread except for the title. Maybe some of you have no idea how big or how small the companies are under the Manufacturers Forum, but I have a general idea and it's appalling that Specialized andTrek, both in excess of a billion dollars a year and are pulling less than 200 ppl to their respective forums. Impressive is that Santa Cruz, at an estimated 150 million +/- 50 million a year is pulling a few more at this very instant. Think about it, roughly a tenth of the juggernauts size and pulling more people... As for the Turner Bikes clan here, I think this forum is going really well when one considers that FaceBlog is the #1 place for people to hang out and talk about them selves, PinkBike and Vital are places to hang out and view endless advertainment stories and videos masquerading as news, and Insta what the ****, SnatchChat and twiddle are for those with attention deficit disorder. Now at this moment the Turner Forum has a few dozen skimming thru and when taking in the size difference between say Trek and Turner bikes I am good with that. And in case anyone is wondering how big a company Turner Bikes is, well our yearly sales would not cover the Trek Post It note budget.

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    Great post Dave. Keep making great bikes. Preferably a 140mm rear 150mm front carbon 27.5er ;-)

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    Boost Plus Unicycle with forward mounted pneumatically supported wheeled outrigger located just outa Reach right? I am all over it wilks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes View Post
    Boost Plus Unicycle with forward mounted pneumatically supported wheeled outrigger located just outa Reach right? I am all over it wilks!
    Put me down for 2.

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    Nicely said Dave.
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    See, the key to the Turner 1-Spot, unicycle, is if you buy 2 (one for yourself, another unicycle for wife or teenager), you should be able to lock 2 together to make a real bike! Sweet, 3 rigs for the price of 2. Megatron likey.

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    5-Spot demolished me today, Or did I demolish the Spot?

    Looking at Evil Wreckoning, but dont need a 160 rear or Superheavy duty frame. Evil Following is super fun, but Im NOT buying 120mm bike to replace 5-SPOT. Liking the Pivot Switchblade with normal tires, 2.4 front/2.3 rear, but "sooper" boost btm brkt is dumb. TURNER 160 front, 140 rear, 29er is my dream bike. What happened to this forum?-img_5221.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes View Post
    And in case anyone is wondering how big a company Turner Bikes is, well our yearly sales would not cover the Trek Post It note budget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes View Post
    I have not read this thread except for the title. Maybe some of you have no idea how big or how small the companies are under the Manufacturers Forum, but I have a general idea and it's appalling that Specialized andTrek, both in excess of a billion dollars a year and are pulling less than 200 ppl to their respective forums. Impressive is that Santa Cruz, at an estimated 150 million +/- 50 million a year is pulling a few more at this very instant. Think about it, roughly a tenth of the juggernauts size and pulling more people... As for the Turner Bikes clan here, I think this forum is going really well when one considers that FaceBlog is the #1 place for people to hang out and talk about them selves, PinkBike and Vital are places to hang out and view endless advertainment stories and videos masquerading as news, and Insta what the ****, SnatchChat and twiddle are for those with attention deficit disorder. Now at this moment the Turner Forum has a few dozen skimming thru and when taking in the size difference between say Trek and Turner bikes I am good with that. And in case anyone is wondering how big a company Turner Bikes is, well our yearly sales would not cover the Trek Post It note budget.

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    Good on you for taking the declining popularity of web forums with a grain of salt, Dave. And for keeping things in context. Keep doing what you do...

    Sidebar: Thanks for setting me up on the Czar; it has done/can do everything I was hoping; fast outings, big days, tech crushing. I'll be floating along the AZT later this year on it, and I'm pretty psyched about that. Super comfy bike that moves forward with paltry effort. Cheers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by funnyjr View Post
    I've heard rumours about a carbon Sultan with upright 75 deg seat angle and long reach.


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    Does it clear 29inch NN 2.6?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marsukurac View Post
    Does it clear 29inch NN 2.6?
    My 09 Sultan does. Tried it just recently.


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    That's because the NN2.6 is really a 2.4.
    But I'm feeling generous today, so I'll call it 2.45.

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    Just another ride with crappy views in Alaska yesterday.

    Saw hundreds of salmon, two porky-pines and one mountain goat.

    Pedaled out 46 miles on the RFX for a nice day in the saddle.

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    What happened to the Turner forum? I've been gone a long time, and now I'm back, and it's crickets.... times change. I was a fairly early adopter of carbon bikes. I broke all of them. ALL OF THEM. Sometimes they cracked. Sometimes they developed hairline fractures around high stress areas. I went back to Aluminum. I currently ride the piss out of a Turner Sultan. I put a coil shock on it after riding air shocks for years and it was like OMG I forgot how ****ing amazing this is. The last carbon bike I was made with this newer mfg method where they pressurize it to compact it and blah, blah, blah and it's a lot stronger blah blah. But I was done with carbon by then and sold it. I thought maybe they'd gotten better at mfg carbon frames until I was in a bike shop last week looking at a $7300 Norco and I could deform the down tube with my fingers easily. What a joke. Go ahead and ride carbon, but don't cry when you crash or hit a rock. I guess kids these days have a lot of disposable income ... the latest bikes, the latest iPhones, GoPros and drones.
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    Not sure about the disposable income but another ho-hum day on my crappy carbon RFX

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    Quote Originally Posted by sirbikesalot View Post
    What happened to the Turner forum? I've been gone a long time, and now I'm back, and it's crickets.... times change. I was a fairly early adopter of carbon bikes. I broke all of them. ALL OF THEM. Sometimes they cracked. Sometimes they developed hairline fractures around high stress areas. I went back to Aluminum. I currently ride the piss out of a Turner Sultan. I put a coil shock on it after riding air shocks for years and it was like OMG I forgot how ****ing amazing this is. The last carbon bike I was made with this newer mfg method where they pressurize it to compact it and blah, blah, blah and it's a lot stronger blah blah. But I was done with carbon by then and sold it. I thought maybe they'd gotten better at mfg carbon frames until I was in a bike shop last week looking at a $7300 Norco and I could deform the down tube with my fingers easily. What a joke. Go ahead and ride carbon, but don't cry when you crash or hit a rock. I guess kids these days have a lot of disposable income ... the latest bikes, the latest iPhones, GoPros and drones.
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    Dont't know anything about marketing strategy, forum popularity , facebook or disposable income.

    I just ride bikes...

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    Be nice if I could ride my poor rfx!

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    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes View Post
    I have not read this thread except for the title. Maybe some of you have no idea how big or how small the companies are under the Manufacturers Forum, but I have a general idea and it's appalling that Specialized andTrek, both in excess of a billion dollars a year and are pulling less than 200 ppl to their respective forums. Impressive is that Santa Cruz, at an estimated 150 million +/- 50 million a year is pulling a few more at this very instant. Think about it, roughly a tenth of the juggernauts size and pulling more people... As for the Turner Bikes clan here, I think this forum is going really well when one considers that FaceBlog is the #1 place for people to hang out and talk about them selves, PinkBike and Vital are places to hang out and view endless advertainment stories and videos masquerading as news, and Insta what the ****, SnatchChat and twiddle are for those with attention deficit disorder. Now at this moment the Turner Forum has a few dozen skimming thru and when taking in the size difference between say Trek and Turner bikes I am good with that. And in case anyone is wondering how big a company Turner Bikes is, well our yearly sales would not cover the Trek Post It note budget.

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    Thanks for chiming in Dave. When I started this thread I had no idea the life it would take. It's pretty informative though, seeing where people's heads are at in today's market. You've had a strong diehard following for years and when I popped my head in here after a long hiatus I was surprised to see this forum was a fraction of its former glory. Hence the launch of this thread. I'm just happy to hear Turner is going strong with no plans to go out.
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