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    wanted: '01 stinger disc rear stays

    theres 2 folks that are lookin for some '01 stinger disc compatable stays, im 1 of em. the other guy has the very last stinger ft tri ever made and would like to update the '00 rear to match correctly.

    it need not come with the disc adaptor itself but it wont hurt if it does. if ya have a adaptor or 3, let me know about those too please. i know of 3 guys lookin for those.

    also not important are the chainstays, the upper mac-ilack strut shock stay is all thats needed but a full rear is dandy if thats what ya have. also, we dont much care if its used, painted, scratched or covered in old stickers cuz the plan is to re polish anyway. please, no killed, wallowed out, dented, broken or bent bits.

    if ya dont know what yer lookin for, see the pics below. this is the '00 and previous non disc version. note the single non threaded, stepped hole in the dropout itself, no threaded hole atop the stay. the newer stay has this threaded hole for the adaptor to bolt into.

    pm or email me if ya can help. thanx!
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    I've got 1 of the Turner/Hayes adaptors left and I think it could work if you bolted it to the dropout then used it for a jig to drill the top of the compression strut for a riv-nut.
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    a little birdie says thats a no go. the tube wont support the extra forces. it was beefed up in '01, hence the slightly heavyer frame.

    is that adaptor available for sale or just as a loaner jig?
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    Alright already you win TOM may you have the most threads dedicated to the old girl

    Try using nitorus seat stays to adjust the ha bb angle/heights u may need ebay help
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    last version

    The last generation of Stinger stays have a dropout that looks Way bigger than the one shown. It is more of a small version of the XCE dropout with the integrated upper adapter mount machined into the plate. I would really like one of those as well.

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    Sheesh CC, why don't you build a bike that you can at least get parts for

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    cats outta the bag. theres the other guy im shoppin for.

    rtr: i dont know a ton about the adaptors for these old bikes yet. was there a is version as well or would we need to use a 22mm hayes to is adaptor on top of this one? ive got the 2nd adaptor so its cool if thats the plan.

    sworks: glad ya dig it. im slated to break its cherry in the am!

    ta: could be worse. lots worse. at least its not another gt thread, gawd love him.
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    Is the goal to run disc brakes?, or is the goal to run disc brakes ONLY w/ the original stays?

    I ran the Brake Therapy setup on a ti hardtail for a few years back in 2000, worked perfectly and is period correct.

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    good question rrrrrrrrroeder! ive got a woodman disco system i ran on the burner 4 years ago. works great but its a brick and engagement of the r hub is lackluster. better than a xt but not as good as a xtr i suppose. dt tells me the bt's had a history of snappin the boss's off his frames and reccomended the woodman. id rather keep it light and clean if i ever do make the change.

    dt wants 1 to finish off a '01 front tri that currently has a non disc '00 rear for his wall of fame.
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    don't run disc's its looking great, youre not gonna actually ride that peasce of art are you..

    Keep it true/retro CC, shes looks "almost" perfect, get my drift

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    ride it? noooooooooooo................
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    Really?, I talked to the them about that cause I had heard that as well, he said they had not had any issues with boss's breaking, mine never had an issue. You could run stock hubs with the BT unit.

    I kinda agree with TA tho, the V's are fine for that rig.

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    Disc front, vee rear. No biggie. I thought I remember somewhere in the past hearing DT recommend one type of aftermarket adapter over another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cactuscorn
    cats outta the bag. theres the other guy im shoppin for.

    rtr: i dont know a ton about the adaptors for these old bikes yet. was there a is version as well or would we need to use a 22mm hayes to is adaptor on top of this one? ive got the 2nd adaptor so its cool if thats the plan.

    sworks: glad ya dig it. im slated to break its cherry in the am!

    ta: could be worse. lots worse. at least its not another gt thread, gawd love him.
    CC, DT did produce the I.S. adaptor for those dropouts and other than a few still in service on mostly XCE's they're gone.The Hayes 22mm adaptor is the only one I've got left. BUT, WHAT THE HECK, leave the V's on there, even most of the pros were still running V's in that era. psst,don't tell anybody but I still run V's on my Flux, ceramic rims/pads, it's got plenty of whoa power. My Stinger, WTB Bon Tempe, Bow Ti all have V's. Nice ride write up too BTW !
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    man i hate that combo. feels like yer ridin 2 diff bikes but i know a few guys who are cool with it like you are. good on ya!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rroeder
    Really?, I talked to the them about that cause I had heard that as well, he said they had not had any issues with boss's breaking, mine never had an issue. You could run stock hubs with the BT unit.

    I kinda agree with TA tho, the V's are fine for that rig.
    not sure rick. just know what i heard from him in '03 and didnt wanna risk it even though the woodman is sorta a pain in the ass qr wise and needs a dedicated hub regardless of what they say. the xt mod did not clear even with the proper spacing.

    and yer right boys, the veeeeeeeeeeeee's work dandy. but theres gonna come a day when that may not be a easy route to take with discs becommin the norm down to a $500 bike. with the way these turners last, i may need to swap at some point if the shock seals hold that long. ive got fork spares and spare forks so im cool up front.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cactuscorn
    man i hate that combo. feels like yer ridin 2 diff bikes but i know a few guys who are cool with it like you are. good on ya!
    Well if ya do bud can I make a suggestion eek I think Vs will always be around, pads etc!



    Still in case, why not hook up a set of Avid cables dis calipers, so ya can keep those XTR levers up front and keep her as origonal as poss, its sorta part of its charm!

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    ive got 2 sets of bb-7's ready to go.

    look again, those are NIB ultimate levers i picked up for this build however i do have a set of xtr vee levers in a box but those are slated for the burner retro rebuild if i cant find all the original canti parts. there were 3 diff versions of my burner from late '95 to early '05 when i went to discs, so 4 total.
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    Ahh ya got me I don't see any picc in this thread of the levers though, still ya set told ya you would catch up and pass me now where's the downhill part again

    Oh those weren't there before, I must be going blind as well..

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    i built it with the xtr's fri night/sat mornin when i posted the 1st pics. the avids showed up later that mornin and went on that day. much better feel overall and a touch lighter too. most of all they look bad ass with the black ops brake/stem package.
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    Run Magura HS33s! I did back in 1998 and 99.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cactuscorn
    i built it with the xtr's fri night/sat mornin when i posted the 1st pics. the avids showed up later that mornin and went on that day. much better feel overall and a touch lighter too. most of all they look bad ass with the black ops brake/stem package.
    I thought you were messing with me

    They do look bad ass, ya know ya started a new Homer trend, everyone is gonna be scouring flee bay, classyfieds, etc looking for these things as next months UGI projects

    Jayem those Maggies were the bomb no doubt about it a little hard on rims though, I twisted a couple with those things, awesome brakes, rim hydralulics ahead of there time!
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    same here. these pics from '99 show em only on the rear but i did run em on my judy as far back as '98. good brake but the feel was poop for xc stuff. and hea-vy! never liked the levers either. they didnt match a shifter pod profile for shyt and the lever was longer than my list of excuses for not havin my wallet at check time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trailadvent
    I thought you were messing with me

    They do look bad ass, ya know ya started a new Homer trend, everyone is gonna be scouring flee bay, classyfieds, etc looking for these things as next months UGI projects

    Jayem those Maggies were the bomb no doubt about it a little hard on rims though, I twisted a couple with those things, awesome brakes, rim hydralulics ahead of there time!
    That and the seatstay flex.
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    Wow that thing is moto, Im not sure now what I like most thats got me going
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    so true! i ran a ultimate machine brace and that helped a ton.
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    it worked for me in the day. never podiumed but did set a top 3 time twice on it. 1st run blues ya know.

    the fork was ok but would pack up badly in the giant braking bumps we saw at big bear. its a old moto 120 i moded into a true 120mm with coil internals and even top out and bottom out bumpers. i was pretty proud of that fork and i still own it with the gen 1 hope disc brake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    That and the seatstay flex.
    I hear ya, not many were up for what those brakes could dish out
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    Quote Originally Posted by cactuscorn
    it worked for me in the day. never podiumed but did set a top 3 time twice on it. 1st run blues ya know.

    the fork was ok but would pack up badly in the giant braking bumps we saw at big bear. its a old moto 120 i moded into a true 120mm with coil internals and even top out and bottom out bumpers. i was pretty proud of that fork and i still own it with the gen 1 hope disc brake.
    Wicked brah, ya got around the traps dude, awesome stuff, know ya just got hook that fork up, next project after the Burner maybe?
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    hook it on a wall maybe. it really was kinda poopy and i never liked the closed system hope. it would get hot and start to lock up. they put a dial up top so ya could adjust the pads out durrin yer run. rrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!

    i had it on the 4 banger for awhile but now theres a z-1 waitin for me to weld up the crack on it.
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    Wow a Turner HL WB and a Schwinn Mert Lawill Banger all on the same thread them some mems right there CC, yeah that brake sounds kinda scary, sorta remind me of my origonal Canondale Moto disc brakes while relaible they were sorta scary compared to now, the Magura's were always consistent, I agree though they didn't have the best lever design, XTRs ruled there and still one of the nicest shapes imo, old XTR was pretty cool, those some wicked DHers there CC ya weren't rocking a Yeti were ya that would almost make the trio of some of the best in hist, ok Foes maybe added in there somewhere too

    check out those skinny cranks and bars n stems sheesh what we rode huh
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    nope. never owned a yeti but i did consider a fro at 1 point before i got the burner.

    skinny bars? those suckers are a 28" azonic dh bar with 2.5" rise, a mile of sweep and a wall thicker than john holmes's unit too. those were suntour xc cranks that had some impressive flex and the stem was a 50 with 15 deg of rise. it worked and was free from our spare parts bin at the shop. i was dirt poor back then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cactuscorn
    nope. never owned a yeti but i did consider a fro at 1 point before i got the burner.

    skinny bars? those suckers are a 28" azonic dh bar with 2.5" rise, a mile of sweep and a wall thicker than john holmes's unit too. those were suntour xc cranks that had some impressive flex and the stem was a 50 with 15 deg of rise. it worked and was free from our spare parts bin at the shop. i was dirt poor back then.
    Hah, those were the bars to have then, I meant they look skinny in that veiw I remember they were thick as and strong too, ya weren't Dhing if ya didn't have azonic's up front, they were the shiz! Suntour wow another name thats quiet theses days, ya I hear ya back then having one bike was a treat, umm simple times, I still got a Kore Elite stem in my tool box a 70 x 15, they were the Thomson back in the day!

    Homie musem?

    ps Im loving the head skull on the front too, now thats pure class, ya don't see that sorta fun at the races much anymore..
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    that was my angry monkey horn. whenever the lift operators would load or unload the bike theyed slap his head and "spank the monkey". it would squeek all the way down the course on its own. once in awhile id give it a squeeze of my own when the crowd would cheer me on if i could manage it. depended on how hairy things were at the time. our beginner/sport courses were kinda tame by todays standards so i spanked it plenty of times for my "fans". still have it but it split at the base. nuthin some rtv wont fix. i still dont dh race without a squeeker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cactuscorn
    that was my angry monkey horn. whenever the lift operators would load or unload the bike theyed slap his head and "spank the monkey". it would squeek all the way down the course on its own. once in awhile id give it a squeeze of my own when the crowd would cheer me on if i could manage it. depended on how hairy things were at the time. our beginner/sport courses were kinda tame by todays standards so i spanked it plenty of times for my "fans". still have it but it split at the base. nuthin some rtv wont fix. i still dont dh race without a squeeker.
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    Thread of the month, CC!

    I knew you'd been around, but I had no idea you've been this deeply rooted in the sport for so long. Hats off to ya . . . real fun reading.

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    its been a long, cool ride so to speak. been doin the bike thing since '66 or so but i didnt find the mtb thing till '93. ya want a history filled homer? have a chat with rtr. he so needs to post about his time in the dirt, who he knows and what he rode. its impressive and a great walk through time.

    the disc stay idea is just in preperation for what i think is inevitable. i tend to hang onto these bikes ya know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cactuscorn
    its been a long, cool ride so to speak. been doin the bike thing since '66 or so but i didnt find the mtb thing till '93. ya want a history filled homer? have a chat with rtr. he so needs to post about his time in the dirt, who he knows and what he rode. its impressive and a great walk through time.

    the disc stay idea is just in preperation for what i think is inevitable. i tend to hang onto these bikes ya know.
    Good call CC love it, must have another full stable pictoral of your beasts sometime!

    Wish I coulda hung onto all my babies, just not feasible but woulda been fun too look into the stable now and again to see the evolution of the bikes and me then re devoultuion, colors, I haven't had as many Turners as you, too high to aim here, a Cdale or Speccy dare I say it in the 90s was as high as I dared to go, CRs or YZs were more my thing biking was for training so I raced XC, I always wanted to DH though, but knowing my MX background I knew what trouble that would get me in
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    I've tried responding to this thread a couple of times, but mtbr keeps dying...

    Anyway I have two 2001 Stinger rear ends but they are still bolted to 2001 Stinger front ends (1 large which CC knows about and 1 medium).

    I'm not sure what DT would think about this but it is possible for a good custome frame builder to replicate the 01 rear end from either a design drawing or something to copy. This may be an option, but will cost a bit.
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    Having a closer look at the earlier non disc rear end (have one of those too), there's probably enough metal on the drop out to weld on a disc mount for a 140mm disc. Is this worth considering?

    Also here's some pics of the 2001 rear end with the bolt on disc mount so that people know what you are talking about.
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    yeppers! thats the stuff tassie. dt says the older pre '01 structure wont handle a disc. apparenty, a few failed in testing and thats why ya see only the stepped hole in the dropout on the production frame but nuthin in the upper strut that was originally drilled and tapped pre production. this all per some phone convos and emails with the man over the last 2 weeks.

    2 stingers now huh? what ya gonna do with the med? thanx for the insperation to get this project done. still tryin to fix that other issue but its not been so easy. i need to write ya a update.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cactuscorn
    2 stingers now huh? what ya gonna do with the med? thanx for the insperation to get this project done. still tryin to fix that other issue but its not been so easy. i need to write ya a update.
    Actually 3 Stingers as I picked up a tiny one (~98) to build up for the mother in law (long story)....

    Not sure what I'll do with the medium, I initially picked it up cheap for a spare shock. Its a really nice metallic green and was thinking about building it up for Miss Jane.

    As for the other, I've been meaning to give you a call about it, but keep forgetting, I'll try and remember tomorrow...
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    its 8am and my hell day is about to begin. ill be forehead deep in live shots and editing till late into the night if not early in the morning by the looks of things. best wait till friday.

    i saw that tiny yellow stinger on ebay recently and if i had the means, i woulda gotten it for candycorn. woulda been a perfect hard surface trail type bike for her. oh well. the steel schwinn will have to do awhile longer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cactuscorn
    i saw that tiny yellow stinger on ebay recently and if i had the means, i woulda gotten it for candycorn. woulda been a perfect hard surface trail type bike for her. oh well. the steel schwinn will have to do awhile longer.
    And that yellow one was/is a 2001 model too...

    Nevermind they pop up more often than I thought they would so you maybe lucky.
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    and it sold for under a grand complete i think. hope im that lucky.
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