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    Turner Burner

    Got to spend some time on a Burner today at Interbike. Felt really good, it was a good build, with carbon enve wheels, didnt weigh it but it was in the 27-28 lb range. Only issue I had with it was that I felt it was a bit firm on square edge bumps both climbing and descending, it didnt feel like it clawed its way up and over, more like it bounced up and over. Could have benefited from a dropper post as well.
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    is that still a proto version or the final do you know/think? looks very good

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    Interbike postings have returned! Keep them coming Craig.

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    Krob and I were tag teaming the bikes, so look for a full, more detailed review from the master. It was still a prototype

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    Craigstr,
    Thanks for the post on the Burner, know youíre a Titus guy, so thanks again for the fun post. Do you think the "bit firm on square edge bumps both climbing and descending" has anything to do with the tune of the RockShox? In my limited experience, I've noticed RS being firmer/more progressive.

    Additionally, did you spy any other Turner models with significant changes?

    Thanks again.

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    I'll get my full report up tonight on the All Mountain forum but I really dug the Burner. It climbed really well and was really fun on faster, semi-chunk like the Caldera descent. The bigger wheels weren't hugely noticely but I could feel some extra momentum carrying effect on climbing and pushing it in more rolling stuff.

    I suspect the hanging up on/skipping over square edge rocks that Craig mentioned was at least part shock tune, part just having stepped off a 29er 5inch travel Trance, and part just the way Bootleg Canyon brings out the worst in any suspension.

    I know the rear end could be made to feel better.... because my 5 Spot feels better than that. I rode it four days out at Cottonwood and Cowboy trails a couple weeks ago and was quite pleased with how it handled both the faster rocky flow of Cottonwood and the gnarlier, squared edged chunk of Cowboy trails.
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    KRob,

    AWESOME! Thanks a ton...it almost feels like Christmas. I look forward to your full report!
    Have fun at Interbike and thank in advance for the spy reports!

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    Could be..

    Quote Originally Posted by jjkitt View Post
    Craigstr,
    Thanks for the post on the Burner, know youíre a Titus guy, so thanks again for the fun post. Do you think the "bit firm on square edge bumps both climbing and descending" has anything to do with the tune of the RockShox? In my limited experience, I've noticed RS being firmer/more progressive.

    Additionally, did you spy any other Turner models with significant changes?

    Thanks again.

    Cheers,
    Krob has more experience with the DW suspension. I am a die hard horst link guy, everything else feels a bit odd to me. It very well could have been a shock tune thing. That being said the Maestro on the Trance X 29 felt incredible to me.

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    Hi KRob. Can you post some pics of the Turner booth for those of us can't/won't/can't afford to go to Interbike? hehehe. Any other new model of Turner out aside from the Burner?

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    Had anyone got a picture of the Burner in size XL?

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    What happen to the Interbike Forum? I strongly believe MTBR messed up by getting rid of it. It was one of the cool features of MTBR - getting the low-down from the average person. Every year, I looked forward to reading folks impression on bikes, parties, babes, etc. Instead I am getting my interbike news from other websites and organizations. The official interbike news on MTBR is downright piss-poor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dude! View Post
    The official interbike news on MTBR is downright piss-poor.
    Go to Pinkbike. Their mobile site is really nice if you are looking from your phone. Bikerumor has a lot of details as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dude! View Post
    What happen to the Interbike Forum? I strongly believe MTBR messed up by getting rid of it. It was one of the cool features of MTBR - getting the low-down from the average person. Every year, I looked forward to reading folks impression on bikes, parties, babes, etc. Instead I am getting my interbike news from other websites and organizations. The official interbike news on MTBR is downright piss-poor.
    Agreed.

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    Yeah coverage is spotty, there were Pinkbike guys all over the place, we interviewed with them at DSP. Turner had a small booth, 4 bikes, nothing new except the Burner. Nothing really exciting at the show, although there were a ton of people and it now takes two levels of the Sands.

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    Spec's?? any info this? Thanks

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    Didnt see a spec sheet

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr View Post
    . Only issue I had with it was that I felt it was a bit firm on square edge bumps both climbing and descending, it didnt feel like it clawed its way up and over, more like it bounced up and over.
    The chain was too tight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    The chain was too tight.
    LOL. Good one..... and I know what you're saying (I think). The chain tightening that creates the pedaling platform for the dw-link may be the cause of this. I have noticed this to greater or lesser extent on every dw-link bike I've ridden, but I know it can be tuned out to some extent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    LOL. Good one..... and I know what you're saying (I think). The chain tightening that creates the pedaling platform for the dw-link may be the cause of this. I have noticed this to greater or lesser extent on every dw-link bike I've ridden, but I know it can be tuned out to some extent.
    You saw what I did there
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    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr View Post
    Got to spend some time on a Burner today at Interbike. Felt really good, it was a good build, with carbon enve wheels, didnt weigh it but it was in the 27-28 lb range. Only issue I had with it was that I felt it was a bit firm on square edge bumps both climbing and descending, it didnt feel like it clawed its way up and over, more like it bounced up and over. Could have benefited from a dropper post as well.
    over on the Knolly site, you "hated it". here, it felt really good. what's up?
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    Well the firmness on the square edge bumps was enough to make me not consider it, so many other bikes out there that gobbled it up. The more I thought about it, the more I disliked it.

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    the RWC needle bearing helped lots on my dw Flux and current dw Sultan with the square
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    Running a RS Monarch rear shock. This keeps bike up further in the stroke.

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    differnt strokes

    Craigstr I see you are a Titus brand fanboy, and they obviously have superior stuff IYHO, cool so ride your Titus and be happy, that is why you have a bike right?

    So where are the reviews of the Burner from the dozens of riders that rode them for 2 days? We had 11 Burners in the dirt for most of the time for 2 full days, and most were ridden by people that were truly impressed when comparing the Burner to the other 650s and trail type bikes. For those that want to actually ride one yourself, come to Moab next month and take one for a ride.


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    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes View Post
    Craigstr I see you are a Titus brand fanboy, and they obviously have superior stuff IYHO, cool so ride your Titus and be happy, that is why you have a bike right?

    So where are the reviews of the Burner from the dozens of riders that rode them for 2 days? We had 11 Burners in the dirt for most of the time for 2 full days, and most were ridden by people that were truly impressed when comparing the Burner to the other 650s and trail type bikes. For those that want to actually ride one yourself, come to Moab next month and take one for a ride.


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    Well Craigster didn't like it, and he has +4 rep over you, so I'm not interested in a test ride. The others are begging Noel for a ride on the new 650Bilcotin....
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    Outer Bike

    This is at the top of my list to try in Utah,,My intent is to ride all 650's, with the only real hang up being HT or FS

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    Very true...

    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes View Post
    Craigstr I see you are a Titus brand fanboy, and they obviously have superior stuff IYHO, cool so ride your Titus and be happy, that is why you have a bike right?

    So where are the reviews of the Burner from the dozens of riders that rode them for 2 days? We had 11 Burners in the dirt for most of the time for 2 full days, and most were ridden by people that were truly impressed when comparing the Burner to the other 650s and trail type bikes. For those that want to actually ride one yourself, come to Moab next month and take one for a ride.


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    Dave,
    Didn't mean to offend you or your brand. I never said Titus stuff was better, just that horst link works better for me, my riding style, and where I ride. But you have to take the good with the bad, and as a consumer the Burner didnt work for me. Maybe with extended time and shock tuning it might work for me, but out of the box it was a no go.

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    I have 4 seasons on 2 generations of DW Sultans, and I am seriously considering switching to the Burner after riding it at Interbike. It was the only trail bike I truly felt like I could rally like the Sultan, but it was more playful in the air, plus it WANTED to be in the air. I was even riding the cheaper version with X9 and Arch EX's - no X0 and ENVE on mine to cloud my judgement

    For reference, I ride lots of rugged trails and do super-d and enduro racing on my Sultan. I want to put a 160 X-Fusion Vengeance on this thing and get as much rubber as possible. I think it could be a AM killer that pedals great to get to the downhill...
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    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes View Post
    Craigstr I see you are a Titus brand fanboy, and they obviously have superior stuff IYHO, cool so ride your Titus and be happy, that is why you have a bike right?

    So where are the reviews of the Burner from the dozens of riders that rode them for 2 days? We had 11 Burners in the dirt for most of the time for 2 full days, and most were ridden by people that were truly impressed when comparing the Burner to the other 650s and trail type bikes. For those that want to actually ride one yourself, come to Moab next month and take one for a ride.


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    I was wondering the same thing until I remembered past Interbikes and really only KRob and Tcheezy's reviews here. If you read the forums here it almost seems like Interbike didn't happen last week. Wierd!

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    So,
    What happened to the Interbike anyway
    Any other reviews from those who are impressed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullit_cn View Post
    So,
    What happened to the Interbike anyway
    Any other reviews from those who are impressed
    No idea. My guess is that the bike business is pretty bad right now and companies are saving money by not going to the big trade show. Being Vegas that week must have value because some are going cheap and showing prototypes in hotel rooms. Cheaper than the $2200 10x10 booth on the floor or space at the Dirt Demo.

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    Ian worked his tail off at the show. Better coverage then the big guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes View Post
    Craigstr I see you are a Titus brand fanboy, and they obviously have superior stuff IYHO, cool so ride your Titus and be happy, that is why you have a bike right?

    So where are the reviews of the Burner from the dozens of riders that rode them for 2 days? We had 11 Burners in the dirt for most of the time for 2 full days, and most were ridden by people that were truly impressed when comparing the Burner to the other 650s and trail type bikes. For those that want to actually ride one yourself, come to Moab next month and take one for a ride.


    Happy trails

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    fanboi or not he's entitled to his opinion and his right to express it. i'm not a huge craigstr fan, but he just gave his opinion of the bike. no one's opinion is completely unbiased, just like any review by a homer, they all need to be taken with a grain of salt. no need to get your panties in a bunch, i'm sure there will be a lot of people who love the ride

    as far as 650b goes, i feel sorry for pacenti, where were all you industry guys years ago when he was the only one touting 650's benefits. now the big boys and builders like yourself are hopping on, long after he struggled to get his message out

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbert2000 View Post
    as far as 650b goes, i feel sorry for pacenti, where were all you industry guys years ago when he was the only one touting 650's benefits. now the big boys and builders like yourself are hopping on, long after he struggled to get his message out
    meh. TurnerBikes doesn't need me to answer this, but I'm surprised you missed all of the interviews with DT about 3-4 years ago saying he would absolutely do a 650b as soon as Fox or RockShox came out with a fork. Kinda strange to expect a relatively small frame company to throw a 650 frame out there, when there was one fork available (White) ... that most people weren't familiar with, or just didn't want in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morgan1819 View Post
    meh. TurnerBikes doesn't need me to answer this, but I'm surprised you missed all of the interviews with DT about 3-4 years ago saying he would absolutely do a 650b as soon as Fox or RockShox came out with a fork. Kinda strange to expect a relatively small frame company to throw a 650 frame out there, when there was one fork available (White) ... that most people weren't familiar with, or just didn't want in general.
    Ventana built a 650B specific FS frame....Kirk showed it at the NAHBS show in 2008.

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    In my opinion, people like Kirk are on the cutting edge and other[s] have to wait for a more secure footing to make the splash into the format. I'm thankful he took the risk because the last two years have been some great riding on my Ventana 650 HT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker4life View Post
    Ventana built a 650B specific FS frame....Kirk showed it at the NAHBS show in 2008.

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    In my opinion, people like Kirk are on the cutting edge and other[s] have to wait for a more secure footing to make the splash into the format. I'm thankful he took the risk because the last two years have been some great riding on my Ventana 650 HT.

    .

    and here is an email, directly from Ventana: "Hi Jeff, Although we are discontinuing El Bastardo frame and we had originally said we were not going to offer a 650b model (due to the lack of components), we have decided to introduce a new 650b full suspension frame now that Fox will be offering a 650b specific fork ..."

    I'm a huge Ventana fan. Always have been. Let's be honest though, everyone pretty much had to follow the lead of Fox and RockShox on this one... back at ya

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker4life View Post
    Ventana built a 650B specific FS frame....Kirk showed it at the NAHBS show in 2008.

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    In my opinion, people like Kirk are on the cutting edge and other[s] have to wait for a more secure footing to make the splash into the format. I'm thankful he took the risk because the last two years have been some great riding on my Ventana 650 HT.

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    Not really a fair comparison. Ventana manufactures their own bikes, so they can adjust the jig and build a handful of frames. Turner has to order minimum quantities, which is a lot more risky if no one buys them...

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    So far, Craigster still has more rep and didn't like it, so the Burner sucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobo_krkk_NIN View Post
    I was wondering the same thing until I remembered past Interbikes and really only KRob and Tcheezy's reviews here. If you read the forums here it almost seems like Interbike didn't happen last week. Wierd!

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    DITTO.. I really miss Tcheezy's Interbike test reviews and coverage. Nothing like those days...

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    Quote Originally Posted by morgan1819 View Post
    and here is an email, directly from Ventana: "Hi Jeff, Although we are discontinuing El Bastardo frame and we had originally said we were not going to offer a 650b model (due to the lack of components), we have decided to introduce a new 650b full suspension frame now that Fox will be offering a 650b specific fork ..."

    I'm a huge Ventana fan. Always have been. Let's be honest though, everyone pretty much had to follow the lead of Fox and RockShox on this one... back at ya
    I spoke to Sherwood in person about a year ago regarding this issue. He stated it would be easier for him to sell 650B frames when Fox or RS jumps in....but X-Fusion and WB Loop are up for the job regardless. I think it's easier for Ventana to offer a frame because they make them in house. So regardless of them "discountinuing" the frame they wouldn't turn down a sell. In fact, when I ordered my semi custom 650B hard tail, I was one of two people that had one.....not listed on Ventana website but if you want it bad enough you can get it. I guess that's the difference between leading and following.....finding a way to make it work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    So far, Craigster still has more rep and didn't like it, so the Burner sucks.
    Whats wrong with a bike wanting to assist a rider in skipping over obstacles? I remember back in the days when hardtail race bikes were the only bikes we had for all mountain type riding. It seems to me that the Burner may posess some of the more desirable characteristics of a hardtail. You know before the days of bikes that just plow through obstacles and require very little rider skill or bike handling skills....

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    We were impressed with the Burner.









    Me and my buddy were the first ones to take out the Burner bikes on day two of Dirt Demo. Yes DT, those local guys.

    I took the small Burner with Rock Shox components/suspension, Arch Ex wheels with Kenda Nevegal rubber. My buddy had the medium with Flow Ex wheels and Kenda Nevegal rubber. DT himself set-up my bike. I would have loved to see a dropper post on it and different rubber.

    First impression of the Burner was how efficient it was climbing on the smooth and chunky stuff. I didn't feel any skipping or stalling on the way up or down. Maybe the suspension was "broken-in" by the second day, it was set-up properly from the get-go, maybe because I ride Bootleg every week, a combination of these factors. If I had like a full day of riding the Burner, I could rule things in or out.

    So I asked my buddy who also has a room full bikes including a xc race bike, trail bike, AM bike and full-on DH bike. He liked the Burner climbing and descending. "Efficient" was the common theme for us when it came to the Burner. I would add that it was fun and efficient.

    Bottom line, if I were in the market for a trail/am bike, the Turner Burner will be on that list. Was it better than the RM Altitude, Scott Genius, Intense Carbine at the Dirt Demo? Hard to say right now without spending more time on each and going over every little detail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pedsdoc View Post

    Me and my buddy were the first ones to take out the Burner bikes on day two of Dirt Demo. Yes DT, those local guys.

    I took the small Burner with Rock Shox components/suspension, Arch Ex wheels with Kenda Nevegal rubber. My buddy had the medium with Flow Ex wheels and Kenda Nevegal rubber. DT himself set-up my bike. I would have loved to see a dropper post on it and different rubber.

    First impression of the Burner was how efficient it was climbing on the smooth and chunky stuff. I didn't feel any skipping or stalling on the way up or down. Maybe the suspension was "broken-in" by the second day, it was set-up properly from the get-go, maybe because I ride Bootleg every week, a combination of these factors. If I had like a full day of riding the Burner, I could rule things in or out.

    So I asked my buddy who also has a room full bikes including a xc race bike, trail bike, AM bike and full-on DH bike. He liked the Burner climbing and descending. "Efficient" was the common theme for us when it came to the Burner. I would add that it was fun and efficient.

    Bottom line, if I were in the market for a trail/am bike, the Turner Burner will be on that list. Was it better than the RM Altitude, Scott Genius, Intense Carbine at the Dirt Demo? Hard to say right now without spending more time on each and going over every little detail.

    i love standover height , but damn, that small looks like it was custom built for a midget.

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    Any of the demos set up with the new 650b Fox at 160mm in the front?

    If so, would be curious to hear some rider feedback on that configuration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pedsdoc View Post
    Bottom line, if I were in the market for a trail/am bike, the Turner Burner will be on that list. Was it better than the RM Altitude, Scott Genius, Intense Carbine at the Dirt Demo? Hard to say right now without spending more time on each and going over every little detail.
    Good review on the Burner. Great bike and certainly on my list as well.
    Did you get to ride the RM Altitude 650b and Scott Genius 700, Ed? Looking forward to your impressions on those too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vwvoodoo View Post
    I have 4 seasons on 2 generations of DW Sultans, and I am seriously considering switching to the Burner after riding it at Interbike. It was the only trail bike I truly felt like I could rally like the Sultan, but it was more playful in the air, plus it WANTED to be in the air. I was even riding the cheaper version with X9 and Arch EX's - no X0 and ENVE on mine to cloud my judgement

    While I doubt I'll ever be without at least one 29er bike in the quiver.....I think a FS 650B bike with at least 140mm of rear travel would be a nice addition ! I sure would like to know the geometry specs of the new Burner ! TIG.
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    Question to self: I just bought a Sultan a couple of months ago.... Why do I keep looking at the Burner !?!

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    San Diego area demo

    North of the Border bike shop will host a demo this Saturday for those wanting to try a Burner out. We will take a few Sultans and Spots if we can fit them in the van, but the whole fleet of Burners will be there, Sm-Lrg.

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    Dave, any info on geometry? Specifically TT length for the larges?
    Thanks

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