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    Turner 4x Frames? How many do we build??

    Hi All

    Looking for a tally of people interested in a 07 Turner 4x Frame for the aftermarket. I need a general number to persuade the powers that be to build it.. "If you build it, they will come."

    A simple "Hell Ya" will be sufficient.

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    Hell ya !

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    I think there is more interest in the size XL Highlines! There are 3 of us here on So. Utah that want one!

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    Yes

    Hell F-ing Yeah!!!!

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    For those of us uninformed types (me), could you give us a description of the 4x frame, it's intended usage, and how it compares to other Turner bikes?

    *I've heard of 4x bikes, but don't know what they are, really.
    And please don't say that if ya have to explain it, then I wouldn't get it anyways...
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    Something like this. 5 spot rear, rfx head tube, 5 spot main tubes, special linkages and flux BB with chain guide tabs. 4 inchs of sweet travel. This is the old horst link model used my team maxxis
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    4x

    xj

    4x is a type of racing, almost like downhill BMX but with a mountain bike. The Turner 4x frame is a short travel frame with compact geometry. Due to a BMX gate style start, most racers build them to be fairly light weight and nimble. If you've never watched 4x racing it very exciting and spectator friendly. I will attach a pic of our 4x Pro-Frame from previous year. This may not be exactly what is built so don't ask for exacts, just trying to get a word on demand.

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    Oww.... and by the way, i would love to own one but don't have the money this/next year to get one, which sucks. But i reckon it would make an excellent allround nice bike, 4x, jumps, bit of trail riding on the side.

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    Thanks! Well, first off they're orange, which I really like!

    Kinda sounds like a Flux w/ a stronger headtube to handle more abuse??

    I've been out of the bike racing scene for too many years,,,I'll have to keep my eyes open now that I'm riding again...
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    Quote Originally Posted by xjbebop
    Thanks! Well, first off they're orange, which I really like!

    Kinda sounds like a Flux w/ a stronger headtube to handle more abuse??

    I've been out of the bike racing scene for too many years,,,I'll have to keep my eyes open now that I'm riding again...
    More like a 4inch 5spot with rfx head tube and isgs tabs.

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    ..and small

    ..and quite low

    I would assume

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    If I had the scratch I'd be all over one.... It wouldn't hurt to make an extra one though!
    cycle tracks will abound in utopia.

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    YES, make them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cave dweller
    More like a 4inch 5spot with rfx head tube and isgs tabs.

    ...right....sorry.

    What size fork would be appropriate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by xjbebop
    What size fork would be appropriate?
    This one, it's huge. Sorry 'bout that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by El Chingon
    There are 3 of us here on So. Utah that want one!
    Who are the other 2?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davep
    ..and small

    ..and quite low

    I would assume
    yeppers dave. these also tend to have a super short chainstay for instant acceleration, much like a 24" bmx racin cruiser. it also allows for a light front end so ya can float (manual) it over yumps and such. if ya can, watch some videos of this stuff. its a total hoot and youll see how they ride the back tire a ton of the time. this is the type of racin i thought id really wanna do but never developed the air skills for. these bikes spend alot of time up there whenever theyre not wearin out the back tire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PCinSC
    This one, it's huge. Sorry 'bout that.


    I gotta say, that fork looks sweet!
    Wish I could say 'hell-yeh'...if I only had some skills....
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    Its great to have the opportunity to get one of these. We dont have any 4x races but it would be great to have a low slung flyer for the ripping smooth & groomed trail days.

    I have to many bikes, cant get one, but i'll see who else will...
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    I don't have funds or an empty spot in the stable for one this next year but please make them anyways so I can hopefully buy a used one in the future.

    Any idea on target weight for the frame?

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    Jarrett:

    I say mass produce those puppies. You will steal sales from Santa Cruz and other bike co's that make 4x bikes. This goes beyond the homers. Push the brand! ............ Oh, I guess you can probably tell that I want to buy a used one in the future as well - no dough right now.
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    Screw all that bring, back the RAIL it was one of the best high performance bike made,there was not enough marketing and by the time everyone knew about it it was gone. What a shame

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    I have a better idea!

    How about just send me half of the money it would cost to build them and then when I visit i can take you guys out back and kick you in the nuts. In the end it will cost and hurt less!!!!

    Take that money and build bikes that sell.......................................

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    good to see ya! hows stuff out in tejas? weve missed ya around here and back at the store.

    by the response of this thread, id say yer right pal.
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    I will put down some money if you can garantee me that you will build them. In my opinion, this would be one of the all time greatest SUPER-D race bikes ever. Slack and DH orientated, short travel, full seatpost.

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    Ah it is nice to be missed sometimes. Tejas is great, but can't wait to get back for some good old fashioned so cal carne asada!!!

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    Jarett,

    You know I am down for one, I have been wanting one for a while!

    Jim P.

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    I'm sure this question will take the thread in a totally different direction.... But what would people like to see differently on our 4x frame? And don't tell me that it should look like, ride like, jump like, and wash the car like your current 4x frame from some"other brand".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jratt
    I'm sure this question will take the thread in a totally different direction.... But what would people like to see differently on our 4x frame? And don't tell me that it should look like, ride like, jump like, and wash the car like your current 4x frame from some"other brand".

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    Sounds like you should make them with used parts!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jratt
    I'm sure this question will take the thread in a totally different direction.... But what would people like to see differently on our 4x frame? And don't tell me that it should look like, ride like, jump like, and wash the car like your current 4x frame from some"other brand".

    J
    I'd like to see a low slung top tube, maybe head tube gussets like the old school rfx's (or something just a little more pronounced to set it apart from the regular turner lineup), a cable stop for a front derailleur option, keep plenty of tire clearance, and keep the rockers polished silver, much better looking than black, IMO. Fairly lightweight, simple and strong is what I'd like to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by velo bum
    Sounds like you should make them with used parts!
    Add a motor and a throttle!

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    Quote Originally Posted by turnerover
    Add a motor and a throttle!
    Now u r just being difficult!

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    i really want one so bad

    the price doesnt matter
    sponsors: sdg, more needed

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    Something like this would be nice...

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    It looks great now, and rides great too. Although the headtube on the Proto frames was really thin, so change that to a stronger headtube, and it will be perfect.

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    Several of our team members would like to buy them.
    I would like the bike like this:
    bb: 12" +or-
    ht: 68
    cs: as short as possible
    tt: 21" ish
    Built light enough for racing, but not so fragile that they can't be played on a bit as well.
    This is my opinion only, thanks.
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    is that a solid rear tri? stays look a tad long too. that would have to be changed. the front tri standover looks sweet though. if we only had a 4x series out here id be all over this kinda thing jarett but not only do we not, we lost our dh series. road trip!
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    I'll sell em...lots o' people interested!

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    solid rear tri???

    sorry Jratt... but I'm gonna talk about a couple of other brands against your wishes...
    I'd vote for some direct competition for the Transition Double and the likes... maybe adjustable geo. like the Commencal... I think being able to market it in today's arena as functioning as a "trick bike" as well would help sell, as well as in the 4X area...
    maybe even the ability to run it as an SS like the Kona CowanDS... just look at how many slopers are rocking that set-up...
    I actually use my Rail in this style, which I love, but have had a couple of probs with pivot play (all taken care of thanks to some of the best CS in the industry )

    I'd agree with the numbers that 1soulrider posted up.

    I just saw one of those orange protos go on ebay complete for like $1600... bid on it myself actually, but got out of my pocket's reach...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christiaan



    It looks great now, and rides great too. Although the headtube on the Proto frames was really thin, so change that to a stronger headtube, and it will be perfect.
    That's cool, a ****ter 2 feet from the kitchen! Classic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cake96861
    That's cool, a ****ter 2 feet from the kitchen! Classic.

    hahaha... didn't notice that... but, reminds me a bit of Japan now that I look at it... except everything in that picture isn't all integrated plastic, making you feel like you are in a spaceship with tatami mat floors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1soulrider
    Several of our team members would like to buy them.
    I would like the bike like this:
    bb: 12" +or-
    ht: 68
    cs: as short as possible
    tt: 21" ish
    Built light enough for racing, but not so fragile that they can't be played on a bit as well.
    This is my opinion only, thanks.
    Personally, I'd like to see a competetion design-race bike and a model for part time race and trail use. The racer bike has to be ultra light, but the trail/race combination would have beefier tubes-don't want them to dent so easy. I'd like a 23.5> 24inch top tube too. I'd like the head tube angle to be around 67.5-68. I doubt we'll see two designs, the race oriented bike won't work so well on the trails-oh well.

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    I would like to see a 12mm thru axle maxle like the DHR to stiffen things up.

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    So.......................
    Any numbers for us? TT, CS, HA, BB? I'd love to hear what the 4x bike will be like.
    David?
    Waiting anxiously...
    Thanks

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    Hell Ya! With lots passionate love put into that Hell....

    I tried to get one the prior season, but ended up with a crappy bad substitute. Nothing's like a real Turner Frame!

    gogogo!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtle 1
    Personally, I'd like to see a competetion design-race bike and a model for part time race and trail use. The racer bike has to be ultra light, but the trail/race combination would have beefier tubes-don't want them to dent so easy. I'd like a 23.5> 24inch top tube too. I'd like the head tube angle to be around 67.5-68. I doubt we'll see two designs, the race oriented bike won't work so well on the trails-oh well.
    I'd hope for the tubes to lean towaeds the beefy side as well...
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    Finished!

    Turner 4X proto #7 medium
    Pike 454 Dual Air at 80mm
    King steelset
    King wheels, EX823 rims
    Larsen TT tires
    Avid Juicy Ultimates
    THomson X4 stem, Answer Protapers
    XO mech, X9 shifter
    XT cranks, MRP guide

    Love it!

    Buy one, be happy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christiaan


    Finished!

    Turner 4X proto #7 medium
    Pike 454 Dual Air at 80mm
    King steelset
    King wheels, EX823 rims
    Larsen TT tires
    Avid Juicy Ultimates
    THomson X4 stem, Answer Protapers
    XO mech, X9 shifter
    XT cranks, MRP guide

    Love it!

    Buy one, be happy!
    That is BEAUTIFUL! How much does it weigh in at now that it's all done?

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    Are you using all-travel spacers or the negative pressure to reduce the 454 to 80mm?

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    To be honest, I haven't weighed it yet, I never weigh my bikes, but it is light.

    I will see if I can weigh it somewhere, now you got me curious.

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