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    Thinking of selling 6pack and5spot horselink

    Been thinking of selling both bike for a 6.6 and 5.5 intense am i crazy

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    In a word, yes

    With all vpp bikes, the short pivots cause tremendous pressure on the bearings which cause them to wear out every 3-6 months. They also creak like a mother. Plus the tire clearance is shyte. Think of Turner as a great bike for the long term and vpp bikes as great bikes until you get so furious an pissed with replacing your bearing and all the creaking.

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    Thanks i was told that the bearing problem was fixed

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    I definitely believe the turner counterparts last longer.


    I definitely do not believe they ride better.
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    so kidwoo 6.6 rides better

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    Why chuck both bikes at the same time? If you really feel the urge for a change, swap one and see if it suits your taste. Then follow your heart.

    You might want to make a personal list of the things you want to get out of a change. Not what either bike is known for but what YOU want. Then see what fills your bill best.

    If you're really uncertain why you want to switch other than you'd like to try something different (nothing wrong with that) maybe get the new frame first, swap the parts over and get to know it before you sell either of your existing frames. This way you have an out regardless of the results.
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    Adding to BZ's list:
    What don't you like about the Turners?
    What is attracting you to the Intenses?

    Post the lists and see if you get more comments.

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    ... and if we just ... Dude!!

    Quote Originally Posted by ncig
    Been thinking of selling both bike for a 6.6 and 5.5 intense am i crazy
    Let go of them drugs!!!!!

    Just kidding.

    If you really like Intense then go for it. You could not pay me to ride an Intense. I would follow the wise advise from the other homers. Test ride first. The creaking and bearing problem will drive you crazy. But if you ask the Intense brothers they will tell you how good those bikes are.

    I guess it is your money, and your time, so get what ever makes you happy.

    I changed my yeti 575 for a Turner 5 spot and I am the happiest man alive!

    May be you will be the as happy with a pair of Intenses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ncig
    Been thinking of selling both bike for a 6.6 and 5.5 intense am i crazy
    Maybe do one at a time? That way if you don't like the VPP you did not totally screw yourself. Oh yeah, my friend loves his 5.5. He went from an FSR to it. It took a while for him to like it though.

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    Dood - you're full of it....

    I don't believe you are doing anything...go home!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jokermtb
    Dood - you're full of it....

    I don't believe you are doing anything...go home!
    I'm thinking "bait" too! Silly question to ask on Turner forum. Lets go see if this was asked on the Intense forum too.


    PS: Check this 5.5 or turner5spot horse link

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    if your not just trolling then go ahead. but from riding both brands note that the
    5.5 feels like a flux, the 6.6 like a 5 spot and the VPX like an RFX, so go for 6.6 and VPX and spam your turners on this board and make some true beleivers happy

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    As a cyclist, I would definately be concerned about a horse link.

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    TROLL

    What the heck's wrong with you? You already own a 6.6 and you're acting like you own Turners and you're getting rid of them for Intense.

    Go Away!!!!

    It's a shame you bought the Intense..... bad move

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    Man, why are trolls so stupid?
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    I do own turners have had more then you have had don,t like the new design so was lookihg to make a change have two

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    Look at our line of vision, 1 day ago you ask about selling the Turners TO buy a 6.6, 5.5, but, 5 days ago (give or take a few) you post that your Cane Creek DB is on route for your 6.6.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ncig
    I do own turners have had more then you have had don,t like the new design so was lookihg to make a change have two
    Now my curiousity is piqued - if you don't like the new design, why would you sell the old design? Exactly how does not liking TNT make you want to get rid of the horse link?

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    that is a good point the reason i was thinking on selling i get new frame every year and was thinking on trying some thing else and yes i did get a 6.6 was looking to see if anyone else had the same dilema that i was going through and had any helpfull opion not trying to bait anybody i owned about 5 turners over the years and just am getting second thought about my decisions .

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    newsflash!

    here is a 2007 proto for the Intense 6.66!!!

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    Very valid...

    Quote Originally Posted by ncig
    that is a good point the reason i was thinking on selling i get new frame every year and was thinking on trying some thing else and yes i did get a 6.6 was looking to see if anyone else had the same dilema that i was going through and had any helpfull opion not trying to bait anybody i owned about 5 turners over the years and just am getting second thought about my decisions .
    Not sure why you are getting such a hard time here, but if you get a new bike every year, and are not a fan (after riding), of the TNT, it would be logical to take a look at other designs. If memory serves, you had both a 6-Pack and a 5-Spot, right? Both in the horst link design? You've been a Turner guy for many years, correct? Hence not a troll? And you've ridden the new TNT, and did not like it, hence looking around for something else?

    Here would have been a valid place for you to go if you wanted to get talked out of it, hear some other opinions about the TNT, and state other options you might have. However, here is not a place where you are going to hear the horst link debate anymore, not because YOU are a troll, but because there are plenty of trolls out there who do just try to stir up trouble. IMHO, the Turner faithful are a bit hair triggered on this, understandably and cult-like so. Having ridden all the bikes mentioned, extensively, I can only say that your pack rode as similar to the 5-spot, as the 6.6 would to the 5.5. Hence, if you like your 6.6, but want something a bit lighter, with a bit steeper head angle (than both your 6.6 and your 5-Spot), the 5.5 might be a valid replacement. This is ONLY if you've tried the TNT versions of the Spot and Pack, and are still convinced that you need another direction.

    Folks, this isn't abnormal, from what I can tell. Our very unscientific poll a few months back was basically 50/50 for those between wanting to ride the TNT first, and those who said no horst link, no sale. For some reason, that horst had a lot of people by the nuts....so to speak.

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    jokermtb, regarding this one...



    I hear that Tony E is going to sue Intense for copying his suspension design and bottom bracket height and weld beads

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    Is that an ID? I heard that it had a high bottom bracket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by esquire
    Not sure why you are getting such a hard time here, but if you get a new bike every year, and are not a fan (after riding), of the TNT, it would be logical to take a look at other designs.
    If someone gets a new bike every year, why would they consider going from an HL Turner to a non-HL Turner? You could just swap the rear triangle and save yourself mucho headaches. This makes even less sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncig
    that is a good point the reason i was thinking on selling i get new frame every year and was thinking on trying some thing else and yes i did get a 6.6 was looking to see if anyone else had the same dilema that i was going through and had any helpfull opion not trying to bait anybody i owned about 5 turners over the years and just am getting second thought about my decisions .
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    Quote Originally Posted by tedroy
    Anyone wanna buy a period? Got some capital letters for sale too!
    whats your point douchebag

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    Quote Originally Posted by tedroy
    Anyone wanna buy a period? Got some capital letters for sale too!
    are those caps still for sale? ill pay whatever ya want! pm me.
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    Confusing....

    Quote Originally Posted by Roy
    If someone gets a new bike every year, why would they consider going from an HL Turner to a non-HL Turner? You could just swap the rear triangle and save yourself mucho headaches. This makes even less sense.
    Swap the HL triangle out for a TNT triangle? Why? Its still a TNT, which he doesn't apparently like, and the front triangle is 1 extra year older when he goes to sell it next year. Then, what would he do with the HL rear end, hang it on the wall? This guy rides, a LOT, so he's no Ellsworthian "work of art" type. He's into performance, and he gets a new frame every year for that purpose, and so, I think he had a quandry. Does he go away from the idea of the new frame every year, simply because he likes the horst, or does he finally go away from Turner for at least a year? To me, that was a compliment to Turner, as if he wasn't a fan of Turner, it would have been an EASY decision...

    Its truly unbelievable the $hit he got simply for asking this question. Maybe he needs someone to help him put it into words, but thats no reason to be complete *****.

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    Quote Originally Posted by esquire
    Swap the HL triangle out for a TNT triangle? Why? Its still a TNT, which he doesn't apparently like, and the front triangle is 1 extra year older when he goes to sell it next year. Then, what would he do with the HL rear end, hang it on the wall?
    That's my point. He's considering selling his Horst 5/6 rides for some VPP rides. In your post, you stated:

    Not sure why you are getting such a hard time here, but if you get a new bike every year, and are not a fan (after riding), of the TNT, it would be logical to take a look at other designs.
    So if he has both a 5/6 with Horsts, why would not being a fan of TNT cause him to look at other designs? You state that TNT is one of the designs he's been considering for his new ride(s) but he doesn't care for it. So my question is if he gets a new bike every year, and currently has the 5/6 Horst, who would even consider going over to a TNT from a Horst and think they have a whole new ride? The geometry is identical, the performance is close to identical (depending on who you believe), so if he's considering a new ride because he changes yearly, why is the TNT even considered a new ride? And if, for some strange reason it is considered a new ride to our friend, it'll cost way more to sell a bike and buy a new TNT, than to simply by the new TNT rear end.

    Not to mention there clearly would be people willing to buy his old Horst rears, so why he would hang it on the wall also makes no sense to me.

    I can understand switching from Turner to Intense/Titus/Ells/whatever on a yearly basis. What I don't understand is switching from a complete Turner HL to a complete Turner TNT? His first posts smelled awfully trolly, but throwing in the TNT as part of this makes it even more trolly. I'm not saying he is a troll, as I don't know him from Adam, but I can see why people played the troll card on our friend.

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    (General reply not directed at anyone specific)
    Maybe the guy just likes to have a brand new frame every year. If he can live phat like that, more power to him.

    I agree considering the recent trolling it sounds like bait, but since we don't really know, maybe we should tone it down, answer briefly/honestly ask relavent questions, or just move on.

    The snippy, sensitive tone of the forum in general, is just the kind of environment trolls want for a feeding ground...it's also giving the haters ammunition to label us as intolerant.

    If we get back to the stoke, help anyone with any question, and good-natured fun poking we normally have, we'll have more new koolaid drinkers than troll posts.

    And is it really fair to rip on Intense?

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    Zilla,

    you sound like the teacher's pet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by esquire
    Its truly unbelievable the $hit he got simply for asking this question. Maybe he needs someone to help him put it into words, but thats no reason to be complete *****.
    I didn't know that MTBR.com's "Turner" forum was a SERIOUS place of high academic value.

    please forgive me for having fun here.

    jeezus.

    go ahead and change out of your starched boxers already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzostrike
    Zilla,

    you sound like the teacher's pet.
    Yeah, yeah I know...
    But lately it's been hard to tell the difference between your posts and everyone elses.
    Faster is better, even when it's not.

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    guys i am not here to stir trouble this was a very hard decision i wouldn't buy a ellsworth i rather walk want to thank esquire for his help deep down i will always be a turner guy

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    It surely is not...

    Quote Originally Posted by gonzostrike
    I didn't know that MTBR.com's "Turner" forum was a SERIOUS place of high academic value.

    please forgive me for having fun here.

    jeezus.

    go ahead and change out of your starched boxers already.
    Definately not a place of high acad.. adedim... akadenmic value. I would never accuse anyone of that. You have all the fun you want here, I certainly do....

    I don't wear boxxer's, I find that they dive at the last part of their "stroke" so to speak, and I've found that other than the world cup, they tend to be a bit air sensitive...

    Plus, I try to stay away from anything that is white...or my wife *****es incessantly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zion Rasta
    Let go of them drugs!!!!!

    Just kidding.

    If you really like Intense then go for it. You could not pay me to ride an Intense. I would follow the wise advise from the other homers. Test ride first. The creaking and bearing problem will drive you crazy. But if you ask the Intense brothers they will tell you how good those bikes are.

    I guess it is your money, and your time, so get what ever makes you happy.

    I changed my yeti 575 for a Turner 5 spot and I am the happiest man alive!

    May be you will be the as happy with a pair of Intenses.
    What has been the major difference between your Yeti and the Turner? Right now I am deciding between the Santa Cruz Blur LT, the Yeti 575 and the Turner 5 spot. The nearest demo center for Turner is over 3 hours away. Would it be worth it to make this trip and why?

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    You do not have to test ride a Turner!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by vailhusker
    What has been the major difference between your Yeti and the Turner? Right now I am deciding between the Santa Cruz Blur LT, the Yeti 575 and the Turner 5 spot. The nearest demo center for Turner is over 3 hours away. Would it be worth it to make this trip and why?
    I will try to answer this question very carefully since + the yeti tribe will hate me forever if I screw this one up.

    Between the Santa Cruz Blur LT, Yeti, and Turner 5 spot, I would definetly go for the spot.

    I test rode a Blur LT at the LBS and I was a bit disapointed about the ride. It felt more sluguish than the yeti 575. There is a review ont the Blur LT on a recent MBaction mag, and RC did not liked the way it climbed.

    Now, the turner is biking heaven. I could never hammer on the big ring with the yeti. Wow, thanks god I took the bash ring off because I was flying with the spot. I have a pushed RP3 on it and rode it on - Propedal the whole time. On the yeti I had to use propedal + a lot to aid on the climbs.

    The Turner 5 spot carved the super technical climbs a lot better. The suspension hooks up incredibly, and at the same time it felt snappy on both climbs and flats.

    The geometry of the spot fit me a lot better and it hadeled very good on the single track. The other cool thing about the spot is that it won't hold you back. If there is a 4' drop, you just take it while flying down the trail. With the yeti I had to think about it twice. The tubes feel a lot thiner on the yeti. I am sure the yeti is a strong bike but it just feels different.

    The 5 spot's seat post did not have the slippage problem of the yeti 575.

    Overall the spot felt more solid. I came home from my ride today and tried my other 5 mt bikes and I did not like any of them after riding the spot. Yeah! It just felt that good.
    Again, I do not know if it was the combination of H/L and Push RP3 that gave the sweet ride or what. I am 6'2" 185 (195 with gear) and had the shock set up at 170psi. The bike rode a bit stiff - the way I like it, but got full travel and 25% sag. Also it did not bounce me out, small bump compliance was excellent. These bikes are so sweet that now I know why the true homers could care less about the H/L vs TNT differences. I can see now how that is so irrelevant.

    The yeti 575 was definetly more plush, but it was all in the set up.

    Please do not make the mistake I made. The turner does not compare to the other two bikes. The blur and the yeti are good, but the Turner is superior in my honest no BS opinion.

    You will never be disapointed with the turner. There are a lot of fellas selling their yetis.
    Also there is always about 120-200 people reading the Turner threads at a time all the time.

    There is 5-26 people reading the Yeti threads most of the time.

    Why is that?

    Get a Turner and you will find out why..........

    In order, I will get:
    1. Spot
    2. 575
    3. Blur LT

    Go for the spot and you will never wish you had a spot again....
    Sit and spin my ass...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzostrike
    whats your point douchebag
    I've got a question mark for sale.

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