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    Is there any reason to get a Flux 29" instead of the 26"

    Here's the deal. I've ridden exclusively on a rigid 26" singlespeed for the last four years.

    I went SS to make mtb chanllenging again.

    Now, though I've never ridden dual suspension, I'm gonna take a tangent in that direction. Again, just to switch things up and have some fun riding.

    So, I've never spent much time on a dual or a 29er, but could be compelled to go with both if it were advantageous.

    Now, I would ask over on the 29er board, but those guys are evangelical about a mere wheel size.

    FWIW I'm 6 foot even, like to climb, am pretty good on the downs, and ride in some pretty technical, rocky mountainous terrain (though not really East coast tight by any means).

    Looking to buy in early Spring, so availability isn't an issue.
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    If you are really tall, a 29" wheel kinda makes sense - the bike is more in proportion to your body size......but, for normal sized folk, a 29" wheel makes the bike look kinda awkward....a friend recently got a Racer-X 29'er on a xl frame, and if you stood far back, it looked just like a normally sized large/medium framed version.

    Only 29'er I've ridden is a GF sugar - but with suspension, it's hard to actually tell if the 29" wheel is actually making a difference or not....I didn't notice anything. My cyclocrosser has 29/700c wheels, but on a trail, it's just not comparable to a real mtb....

    all I can say is, if you like it, then it must be what you want....nothing wrong with that.
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    ...I spent a decent amount of time this last week putting a 29" scooter through it's paces. I came away from the experience about how I figured I would. There is alot of talk about a 29" wheel "rolling over obstacles" better...I can't really say that I noticed a significant difference in that dept. The one factor that stood out to me however, was traction. There was a marked increase in cornering & climbing traction (was riding a HT)...also noticed a few short/ steep hills I normally need to give a pedal or two to get up, I didn't with the 9'er...so momentum was more easily carried. I never did notice it being harder to climb the steep stuff with...in fact at one point it even seemed a bit easier on one particular hill I climb often. All in all, I came away from the experience pretty positive. I don't think the 29" bike would be superior to a 26"...(it was a little awkward in the technical stuff, felt a bit clumsy, but I am sure you would adapt your style)...but it was a fun bike to ride. I can see how ss'ers would appreciate them as it lended itself to standing mashing quite well...once it got going it could really move too. I am considering building up a niner HT to play on until the Turner is available. I'm not sure if this helps you, but I wouldn't want a 29" for my only bike....of course, few people on this board have that problem


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    Mountain Bike Action have a 1-on-1 ride comparison between two almost identical 26" and 29" bikes. I don't have a scanner, but it should be a good source for some light on your question. In the comparison, the 29" is a little better at some things, but the 26" takes overall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tald
    Mountain Bike Action have a 1-on-1 ride comparison between two almost identical 26" and 29" bikes. I don't have a scanner, but it should be a good source for some light on your question. In the comparison, the 29" is a little better at some things, but the 26" takes overall.
    ...funny that you would cite MBA as a good source for anything


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    MBA is the reason I lusted for a 5spot. Can't thank them enough. And they're doing some pretty interesting comparisons lately. Not god's word, but definately worth checking out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juan Speeder
    FWIW I'm 6" even, like to climb, am pretty good on the downs, and ride in some rocky mountainous terrain (though not really East coast tight by any means).

    Looking to buy in early Spring, so availability isn't an issue.
    I know what it's like once the wheels get spinning in your head, but you're probably better off waiting until the 29"er is in production, all the specs have been finalized, people have actually ridden it, etc. Until then everything is pure speculation based soley on people's pre-existing wheel size preference.

    Mine happens to be 29", but I will say you can't go wrong with a 26" Turner (I own two). I'm your height and ride similar terrain, in which my Spot and Flux excel; I'm just hoping the 29" version is better yet.
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    As a new owner of a 29er HT SS I generally agree with jncarpenter's comments although I definitely feel the advantage of the niner when rolling over obstacles. Makes my HT feel like it has some suspension. Our trails are littered with sharp embedded rocks that sometimes stop my Pack if I'm not carrying enough speed. The niner just rolls right over them. Comments about traction & cornering are spot-on.

    Disadvantages? not quite as maneurable in tight spaces and takes a bit more ooomph to get the wheels up to speed, although once up to speed they roll like there is no tomorrow.

    The only 29er dualie I've tried is the Ventana but it was built heavy and had a crappy Whyte Bros fork which gave it a dead feel. I'm anxious to try a 29er Flux with a Reba. Should be a great ride.
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    I've just swapped from a 29er HT for a Turner FS. I ain't going back.
    If you ride smoothish non-technical trails, the 29er would make sense. With technical stuff the 5 Spot has it. My crap skills may have somethinbg to do with it however.

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    I keep feeling the pull of an SS but I don't know that I'd stick with it for a long period of time. I'd definitely go 29" for one but maybe a 1x9 for flexibility. Suspension-wise the Spot's staying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedRocker
    I keep feeling the pull of an SS... SNIP
    Haha. You're next. I knew it would get you eventually.

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    I had a 12 mile test ride on a heavy ass SS Surly 29er HT. I felt that it did do somethings better than a 26er like rolling over log piles, rocks, etc. I did not like the huge turning radius and short bursts up steep stuff was a beeyotch compared to the 26er SS.

    I decided to stick with 26er, but I can see why some would prefer the 9er.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D-Rock
    Haha. You're next. I knew it would get you eventually.

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    There are no orders or anything else in the works. Who knows...
    I probably just need something with bigger wheels to hook on stumps! My shoulder still hurts from that yardsale on Saturday - but it didn't keep me off the bike yesterday
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    I have experience on both 26 and 29 inch FS designs from the same manufacturer (Ventana). Both had 5" of travel front and rear.

    I like the 29er better. It gives up about 1-2 lbs to the smaller bike. I appreciate the longer wheelbase for almost everything except fast, very tight singletrack. It is fine on more open stuff, and also fine on slow and tight ST.

    It climbs slow tight switchbacks just fine. Slow climbing is a great strength of the design. I am cleaning stuff I never did on my 26" bike.

    If you want a tight singletrack scalpel that accelerates fast and feels nervous (but responsive), stick with the 26er flux. If you want a high speed singletrack longboard that climbs like a tractor, and feels sluggish (but oh so nicely stable) go with the 29er.

    I personally like the 29er just because it fits my 6 1" 36.5 inch inseam frame better.

    If you compare these photos (taken for custom bike fit), just look at the wheels in comparison to me....the 26ers look like a bmx bike. I don't have any shots of me on the new 29er FS.




    I reviewed the 29er 4" El cap vs my 26er 5" El Salty here:

    My week with El Capitan LONG X-post 29er

    FWIW, my riding leans towards the XC side of "all mountain" Whatever that is, I just ride my bike everywhere I can and don't huck much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juan Speeder
    Now, I would ask over on the 29er board, but those guys are evangelical about a mere wheel size.
    Of course the Homers on the Turner board are completely unbiased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    Of course the Homers on the Turner board are completely unbiased.
    Well, it seems that most on this board, when faced with the choice between two Turners, tend to go with BOTH.

    I am somewhat limited in disposable income, realative to the average Homer, to get two bikes just to determine the difference.
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    Juan,

    here's my experience on a Hunter hardtail SS 29er w/ rigid fork, the bike belongs to an occasional MTBR.com poster named JAK. we traded for a while on a rocky-ish techie singletrack climb. that day I was on my Curtlo hardtail SS 26" w/ suspension fork.

    the 29er will have better rolling momentum, a "locomotive" effect that is undeniable.

    the cornering traction is superior, you can lean it way over and very little tire breakaway.

    the ability to roll over/through some "stopper" holes that can hold up a 26er is a real thing, but it truly depends on a certain hole size. when the hole's big enough it stops a 29er just as easily as it stops a 26" wheel.

    the comments about needing to be a tall person are a bit overstated, IMO. I'm 5' 10" as is JAK. but I think someone who's 5' 4" or similar stature might find it difficult becaue I think the frame builder will likely have difficulty getting the standover low enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    There was a marked increase in cornering & climbing traction (was riding a HT)...also noticed a few short/ steep hills I normally need to give a pedal or two to get up, I didn't with the 9'er...so momentum was more easily carried.
    I wonder how a 26er would compare with rubber proportionally heavier to that of the 29er.

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    Gonz did the rear feel more "cush" than on your 26 SS?

    I am on the fence about replacing my 26 SS with a 29er. (Hopefully a Curtlo). Anyways, I only have clearance on my current singlespeed for a 2.1, so I'm looking for something with a little more clearance and cush. I hear that 29ers seem to almost have an 1" of suspension because of the extra rubbe and larger sized wheels.
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    one thing about 29'ers is that the rubber contact patch is much larger than a 26" tire......I was always amazed how my 42c knobby equipped CX bike could absolutely rail corners that would have me wincing white knuckle style on my 26" mtb....that's definitely a consideration. But, for me, I like a 26" rear wheel cuz the gearing range is better for climbing steeps stuff....a 29" wheel alters the gearing rations "x" higher....but, you get used to anything....

    If they only sold turners with 29 inch wheels, I'd get one...it's just not that big a deal breaker.
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