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    tackling bushing changes, highline

    I was cleaning up the Highline and found out that some of the bushings are loose (can spin losely) but no play in the pivots. Not sure what the cause is as I'm the second owner. I'm contemplating if I should try doing changing out the bushings myself for the first time or let the pro's do it. I know of the step by step tech on Turners website but does anyone else have any advice or tips on getting it done.
    Also,anyone is San Diego know who will treat my Turner well? Pulse endurance sports is a new Turner vendor who is close to me but they just recently started selling Turners. I can only assume they don't have much experience wrenching on them (changing bushings).

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    That's quite a discovery there!

    If you've found bushings in your Highline be sure to let us know as you'll be the first.
    It's got needle bearings.

    I don't think I've seen a service guide in any great detail posted here. If you plan on doing it yourself, give Turner a call, Greg is a master pivot specialist and he can talk you through checking them out and fixing them up if necessary.

    Meanwhile, if the bolts on your pivots turn freely, then the bolts are loose. Take the bolt out and clean it off with a degreaser, also if you can dab some on a q-tip and clean the threads in the pivot. Then put some blue loctite on the bolt and torque it down to spec. (see the turner website for the torque numbers.) ~17ftlbs. do one bolt at a time or you will have to hold the link in place & hold the pivot shaft with a long allen key.

    BTW make sure you grease those pivots regularly. Especially if you ride in the wet or wash the bike frequently. Needle bearings purge grease much easier than bushings do but also allow water back in more easily.

    Others may chime in with more.
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    Bearing bolts are tight but the rubber fittings where you usually find the grease coming out, is loose. Is that of concern? Perhaps they don't play the same role as a bushing for a rfx rear does but shouldn't it be tight? Thanks for the help, maybe I'll drop Greg a call somtime.
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    If you've found bushings in your Highline be sure to let us know as you'll be the first.
    It's got needle bearings.

    I don't think I've seen a service guide in any great detail posted here. If you plan on doing it yourself, give Turner a call, Greg is a master pivot specialist and he can talk you through checking them out and fixing them up if necessary.

    Meanwhile, if the bolts on your pivots turn freely, then the bolts are loose. Take the bolt out and clean it off with a degreaser, also if you can dab some on a q-tip and clean the threads in the pivot. Then put some blue loctite on the bolt and torque it down to spec. (see the turner website for the torque numbers.) ~17ftlbs. do one bolt at a time or you will have to hold the link in place & hold the pivot shaft with a long allen key.

    BTW make sure you grease those pivots regularly. Especially if you ride in the wet or wash the bike frequently. Needle bearings purge grease much easier than bushings do but also allow water back in more easily.

    Others may chime in with more.

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    The rubber o-rings spinning freely is not an issue. If your pivot bolts are tight, and there is no play in the bearing, you are golden. throw some grease in there, and let it rip. I had to open up my lower main pivot bearing last week, and I think putting new bearings in would be a cinch if I had a bearing press. I've been riding my HL hard for 1.5 years, and the bearings still feel like new. I live and ride in dry conditions, but I still try to grease em once a month or so.
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    What EC said.
    The rubber o-ring is only an external dust guard. A tighter fit would be nice but NBD if it's not. Just make sure you grease the pivots regularly and after very wet rides or vigorous washing to purge any water that might creep in. Xtra sticky marine grease is a good choice. (don't use it on bushings though, only bearings)
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    Hey Zilla, where are you buying your marine grease from? Does the grease gun just screw right onto the tube? I used to use marine grease on the bushing of my old GT LTS. That was good stuff.
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    I bought an automotive gun with a flex hose and needle/point(chainsaw) nose end, and a big tube of hi-qual Marine bearing grease. The gun was ~$14 bucks prolly cheaper at Wally World. The grease was ~$7 bucks and should last a very long time.

    Using a hose and std gun is a tad unwieldy. You might be better off getting a mini-grease gun and mini tubes of Marine grease. I believe that's what Airwreck does.

    FWIW I think this stuff might be too thick and sticky to inject into standard bushings but y'never know till you try. DT mentioned one should avoid mixing grease types though so go with one or the other. Eh?
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    the same company that makes the Turner one, Dualco, makes a cool fillable one also.

    Heavy grease for needles, light for bushings.

    The O-ring is designed to let your purged grease escape.

    You can/need to torque the needle bearing pivots lots more than the bushing system.

    no play, no worries, but still good idea to check the bolts often and grease regularly. If there is play and you have to break the threadlock bond to tighten, then remove and re-apply thread lock.

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    this Seattle shop has the gun, too bad their premium weatherproof grease is not available, that stuff is awesome.

    http://branfordbike.com/itemdetails.cfm?id=441

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    I was in Home Repo and they had pistol grip grease guns with hose attachments for ~12 bucks. You can hold & operate the gun with one hand and hold the hose on the zerk with the other. Wally World and any good auto supply has several grades of marine grease, though I cannot say how it compares to the kind AW suggested. I got the best marine grease they had in the auto store and it seems prety good, but I have no idea how to qualify that.

    +1 on checking your bolts. I had the drive side bb pivot bolt back out twice. The first time I just cleaned it torqued it down. The second time I put locktite on. It's stayed put since then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ifouiripilay
    I was cleaning up the Highline and found out that some of the bushings are loose (can spin losely) but no play in the pivots. Not sure what the cause is as I'm the second owner. I'm contemplating if I should try doing changing out the bushings myself for the first time or let the pro's do it. I know of the step by step tech on Turners website but does anyone else have any advice or tips on getting it done.
    Also,anyone is San Diego know who will treat my Turner well? Pulse endurance sports is a new Turner vendor who is close to me but they just recently started selling Turners. I can only assume they don't have much experience wrenching on them (changing bushings).

    Thanks in advance
    Since you say bushings, do you mean the shock bushings where the frame connects with the shock?

    or are you talking about the pivots with the grease ports like everyone thinks you're talking about?

    Just wondering, because those are completely different things to address.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla
    .... DT mentioned one should avoid mixing grease types though so go with one or the other. Eh?
    So did you strip all the pivots down & clean before using the marine grease if mixing is a problem? or did you just keep putting the new stuff in which I assume would eventually push out all the Mprep grease.

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    Hey I know this is may be a tad off topic but my main pivot on my 04' DHR has some horizontal play. And I just put brand new main bearings in from Greg. Is this normal to have a tiny bit of play or should it rock solid?

    And I also got a bit of verticle play that seems to be coming from the shock (Romic D) can you get new eyelets or something?

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    the bearing shoud be rock solid, but if you are getting play in the shock hardware, you can just get some new reducers, and call it good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevs87
    Hey I know this is may be a tad off topic but my main pivot on my 04' DHR has some horizontal play. And I just put brand new main bearings in from Greg. Is this normal to have a tiny bit of play or should it rock solid?

    And I also got a bit of verticle play that seems to be coming from the shock (Romic D) can you get new eyelets or something?
    The main pivot on your DHR should be tight side to side and have no play. But due to the design they can loosen up. You may need to put some shims behind the bearing and before it hits the stops in the frame along with some high strength green locktite. It is fixable. I'd suggest calling Turner for a better explanation. They sent me some shims that were a perfect fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HubbaMan
    So did you strip all the pivots down & clean before using the marine grease if mixing is a problem? or did you just keep putting the new stuff in which I assume would eventually push out all the Mprep grease.
    I just only used Marine grease in the HL and a different grease gun for prep-M for my Spot. I think he meant don't swap grease in the gun as it'll have a fair bit of the other kind still in the pipe, and that you shouldn't use marine grease in the bushing style pivots as its too thick to flow through the tight bushings. The Needle bearings flow grease much more freely.


    Kev, you can get the shock eyelet bushings replaced as well as the recucer inserts. That will eliminate the shock play. As EC said the main pivot should have no play. You might want to call Turner and ask them to help you determine if the new bearings are okay and installed properly.
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    Thanks AW.

    Say ya know how those main pivot bearings have that slightly raised inner racer on one side? That points out right? Sorry I'm a noob at this stuff

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    the grease I have is probably just some repackaged product, I like it because it is red.

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    the grease I have is probably just some repackaged product, I like it because it is red ... too bad their premium weatherproof grease is not available, that stuff is awesome.
    Oh you're not using the Le Tour Premium Weatherproof Grease?
    Just wondering if you've tried it and on which kind of pivots? What makes it better?
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    that's it, LeTour Premium Weatherproof from brandfordbike. Supposed to be resistant to water, detergents, etc. and has some extra stuff in it. Compared to marine trailer wheel bearing grease, it's red, otherwise I don't know if anything actually makes it better. I use it on the needle bearings pivots only. I haven't done as much wet riding the past year so can't say much.

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