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    Sub 40 pound Highline?

    Curious if anyone has done it.... with durable parts... beefy tires... and a coil rear shock. I'm not really that concerned about it, just curious to see what people have done. I keep looking at my 888 and wondering how it would ride with a single crown instead. I accidentally put it on the shop scale yesterday and it was just under 44 pounds. I could probably shed some weight and increase performance if I didn't ride with a big bag of cheetos in my backpack, but that's not really an option.

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    You only carry a bag of Cheetos, I've got a spare tire that I'm carrying around . I never have weighed my Highline but considering some of the parts came off a Demo 9 (wheelset, cranks) and others were bought because of their strength and durability I'd be willing to bet its around 45. I'm running a 66 and will be running a DHS with a Ti spring so maybe that will bring it down some.

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    I've decided to focus my attention on reducing the weight above the seat instead.

    My HL started out at 40lbs even. After changing from USTs to DHs & tubes, a longer handlebar etc, it's gone to 42.1lbs.
    I also be swapping out my old '06 66SL to the heavier '09 RC3 and 888.

    I'll just have to eat less and pedal more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla
    I've decided to focus my attention on reducing the weight above the seat instead.

    My HL started out at 40lbs even. After changing from USTs to DHs & tubes, a longer handlebar etc, it's gone to 42.1lbs.
    I also be swapping out my old '06 66SL to the heavier '09 RC3 and 888.

    I'll just have to eat less and pedal more.
    What was your parts spec with the 40 pound version? Or to save some typing... do you have an old pic of it in that state?

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    Oops, I just looked back, orig build was 41.0lbs My bad.
    Since it's an XL and has a big arsed steel spring, you should be able to get to or slightly under 40 no problem.

    Spec:
    XL Highline Frame (Last of the biguns)
    Chris King 32h Hubs
    Mavic EX823 rims
    Avalanche Chubbie 8.5x2.5 550# spring
    '06 66SL
    Gravity Light Cranks 22/32
    E-13 DRS
    E-13 Supercharger
    Wellgo MG1 pedals
    SRAM X.9 Rder
    Shimano XT Fder (plastic tube makes nice cable guide)
    Shimano XT 11/34 cassette
    Formula The One Brakes 200mm slightly smaller R
    Formula Oro hose lines.
    Salsa Fuego lock on grips
    Thompson 4x 90mmx0* stem (what I had, will likely go shorter)
    Thompson post
    WTB Laser cro-mo Saddle
    Maxle rear bolt
    Hope post clamp
    Maxxis High Rollers 2.5 UST f&r (no spooge)
    Xpel 3M tape on TT, DT, HT, ST, BB, CS, SS & Taco

    Total wt: 41.0 lbs dead even!
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    I love my 888 equipped highline.
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    Mine is in the low 40's now (maybe 42) and I have goals of getting it down just under 40:

    Large Highline
    2007 Zocchi 66 RC2x
    SRAM x9 shifters/deraileurs/cassette
    Avid codes
    Wheels - hadley, Mavic 721, DT db spokes
    Maxxis High roller, Minion 2.5's
    Thompson Seatpost
    SDG Ti Fly saddle
    FSA headset
    Easton Vice stem
    Race Face Evolve DH cranks
    Race Face bar
    Mallet 1 pedals

    Planned upgrades to drop weight:
    Race Face Atlas FR cranks (saves nearly .5 lb)
    Mallet 3 pedals (.1 lb)
    Point1 Racing stem (.3 lb)
    King Headset (.2 lb)
    Lighter tires - still figuring this out - have heard Schwalbe BB or MM single ply's are pretty durable. I would only use these for more "trail ride" days, not FR or DH.

    Might not make it, but it will be close. If I went to a Fox fork, I could save another lb, but I love my 66 RC2x.

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    Mine is just over 39lbs. I could go lighter but I really like the build and the durability of every part on it. I chose a pivotal set-up as I never move my seat on this bike and it is dialed in as is. Pics and build list:




    08’ Turner Highline
    08’ Totem Coil
    08’ DHX 5.0 Coil
    Codes f/r
    DT/Swiss 440 F/R hubs laced to Mavic EX823
    Highroller UST rear/DHF UST front
    Saint Cranks/BB w/38t chainring
    LG-1 Chainguide
    Thomson X4 Elite stem, 31.8mm, 50mm
    Truvativ Hussefelt bar 31.8mm
    Cane Creek Double-X headset
    SRAM rear cassette 8-speed w/gripshift
    SACHS New Success rear derailleur
    Wellgo MG-1 Pedals
    Macneil pivotal post, 27.2mm
    Macneil SL pivotal saddle
    BMW bar ends
    Salsa clamp
    ODI Rogue lock-on grips

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    Wow that's quite a wt difference from mine. What size frame is that?

    BTW my current setup:

    Spec:
    XL Highline Frame (Last of the biguns)
    Chris King 32h Hubs
    Chris King Devolution Headset *soon to be CC DXC LP
    Mavic EX823 rims
    Avalanche Chubbie 8.5x2.5 550# spring
    '06 66SL *will be swapping btwn '09 66RC3 & '09 888 RC3
    Gravity Light Cranks 22/32
    E-13 DRS (w/ 'spire roller)
    E-13 Supercharger
    Dark Cycles Aracnid pedals
    SRAM X.9 Rder
    '09 Shimano XT Fder (plastic tube makes nice cable guide)
    Shimano XT 11/34 cassette
    Formula The One Brakes 200mm slightly smaller R
    Formula Oro hose lines.
    Salsa Fuego lock on grips *soon will be ODI
    Thompson 4x 50mmx0* stem *soon will have bolt on for 888
    Thompson post
    Marzocchi Freeride cro-Mo Saddle
    Maxle rear bolt
    Hope post clamp
    Maxxis Ardent DH 2.5 tires 3C
    Xpel 3M tape on TT, DT, HT, ST, BB, CS, SS & Taco

    Total wt: 42.1 lbs (till new forks go on)<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->
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    Mine is a Medium. I was really surprised at the weight as well. Not sure what weighs so little....

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    Gravitational variance?
    I suppose not having a Fder, cable and shifter helps some.
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    Also, don't let anyone tell you that you can't ride it (uphill or whatever) because it's too heavy.
    "It's only when you stand over it, you know, when you physically stand over the bike, that then you say 'hey, I don't have much stand over height', you know"-T. Ellsworth

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    Mine was right under 41 when I built her. I'm not sure if you could get a large or xl under 40 without stupid light parts that wouldn't make sense. Here's my build:

    Final specs:
    Frame: Large, smoke black
    Rear Shock: CCDB
    Fork: 2007 Marz 66 RC2X
    Brakes: Hope Mono M4's, 203 front rotor, 183 rear
    Wheelset: Mavic EX823 – Hadley
    Crankset: 09 Saint
    Chainguide: Blackspire Stinger
    Cassette: Sram 990 11-34
    Shifters:SRAM X9 Triggers
    Rear Derailleur: X9 mid cage
    Seatpost: Thomson 27.2mm x 410mm
    Seat: WTB Pure V Stealth
    Headset: King 1.5 Devolution
    Stem: Straitline
    Bar: Gravity Light
    Pedals: Straitline
    Tire: Big Betty w/regular tubes (for now)
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    My Highline weights nothing...

    But I do have to appreciate the attitude late into the new decade when ten years ago people were talking about whether their bike was less than 23 lbs and how horrible it was if it wasn't

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    Quote Originally Posted by lidarman
    My Highline weights nothing...
    How did you get it to weight so light? Helium in the tubes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AW_
    Helium in the tubes?
    Hot air in my posts.

    Actually helium under pressure weighs more than the air outside the tubes (per unit volume..IE density).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demo-9
    Mine is just over 39lbs. I could go lighter but I really like the build and the durability of every part on it. I chose a pivotal set-up as I never move my seat on this bike and it is dialed in as is.
    Is your scale accurate?

    Codes are sort of heavy, big rotors too.
    MG-1's are 1/4lb lighter than most platforms.
    No front D / shifter / cable should save 3/4 lb.

    Solid build though!

    Do you like the LG-1? I was thinking about trying to make my own based on that design, but a little lower profile as I just need 32t coverage (better clearance).

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    Yep accurate shop scale. I was surprised too. The pivotal set-up is very light. No front derailluer or second ring helps too. The LG-1 is lighter than a DRS with bashring. The stem is stupid light. Add all of those up and I think that is the difference.

    I am very happy with the LG-1 set-up. I liked it so much I put one on my other bike (Sinister Gruitr) and run a 32 on that. It is a good amount less than a DRS. I swapped it out and noted almost a 1/4 pound difference.

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    Asking a Highline what it weighs is like asking a chick her weight. Don't do it because she'll be offended. Most importantly don't congratulate your Highline for being pregnant...she's not and she'll just get upset and ride like crap for a while. I would just buy a dozen donuts, leave the box on the seat before you go to bed and night and everything will work out for the best.
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    In the end it don't mean diddly!

    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007
    Mine was right under 41 when I built her. I'm not sure if you could get a large or xl under 40 without stupid light parts that wouldn't make sense.
    Yeah I hear you. I was just curious about Demo's setup. I'm not trying to go light. My XL built out to 41 even without trying to go light. Funny thing, a good friend built out a smokin Blindside with a great spec and it was easily a 2-3 pounds heavier. And that was a medium frame vs my XL. Of course he prolly picked up a half pound from custom powder coating his components.

    Thing is he's prolly a buckfiddy and I'm twothirty so I've got a better rider-to-bike weight ratio. And he's still a buttload faster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla
    Yeah I hear you. I was just curious about Demo's setup. I'm not trying to go light. My XL built out to 41 even without trying to go light.
    Same here, my goal was to build mine with durable and reliable components since this bike will get a fair bit of abuse, and I didn't give any thought to weight on anything when buying the part kit. I guess I just got somewhat lucky mine ended up being on the lighter side of things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla
    My HL started out at 40lbs even. After changing from USTs to DHs & tubes, a longer handlebar etc, it's gone to 42.1lbs.
    Why did you drop the 823s? And what did you swap them out for?

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    I dropped the UST tires not the rims. I'm still running the 823s Even though the rear is semi square now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla
    I...Even though the rear is semi square now.
    Cool!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AW_
    Curious if anyone has done it.... with durable parts... beefy tires... and a coil rear shock. I'm not really that concerned about it, just curious to see what people have done. I keep looking at my 888 and wondering how it would ride with a single crown instead. I accidentally put it on the shop scale yesterday and it was just under 44 pounds. I could probably shed some weight and increase performance if I didn't ride with a big bag of cheetos in my backpack, but that's not really an option.
    I've found I like the weighty feeling of my Highline.

    Just rode a new Iron Horse 7 point built up with the the exact same build as my Highline (66rc3, roco wc, hadley hubs, Gravity Cranks, code brakes, etc).

    That thing felt like riding a tin can compared to the Highline, and the only difference was the frame. Felt good, but not even close to as inspiring for rockin the gnar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AW_
    Curious if anyone has done it.... with durable parts... beefy tires... and a coil rear shock. I'm not really that concerned about it, just curious to see what people have done. I keep looking at my 888 and wondering how it would ride with a single crown instead. I accidentally put it on the shop scale yesterday and it was just under 44 pounds. I could probably shed some weight and increase performance if I didn't ride with a big bag of cheetos in my backpack, but that's not really an option.
    2 years ago every Highline owner was using short air shocks, 36's, and xc wheelsets. It was hard to find a Highline OVER 40 pounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YoPawn
    I've found that going to 175mm cranks did the most for my Highline. Wish I could find a 180mm set in this size. cause my 175mm cranks pretty much never hit anything.

    The strange thing about my Highline experience is that riding in the 32 ring up front is usually easier than the 22 for climbing. Highline has done wonders for increasing my torque output at the crank. Just now starting to keep up with the XC guys after 6 months of Highline muscle building.

    The second thing that transformed my Highline was going from Super Tacky 2.5 minions to 3C 2.5 minions and thin inner tubes (2.25 standard light tubes). I can actually notice the slight decrease in rolling resistance both up and downhill.

    Highline feels perfect with the 66rc3 too. Might not be as beefy as the 888, but feels more substantial than a boxxer.

    I now take my Highline on any XC ride. It's worth the looks

    I have yet to weigh my Highline. I know it will make me cry. I'm going to be blissfully ignorant and pretend it sits at an even 38 lbs.
    I have a granny ring on mine right now and it feels kind of silly. It's actually too low. If it is steep enough that I need 22x32 in all honesty I am going to be pushing anyways. Maybe I will swap to 175mm cranks for a while, I have some, and try 1x8 (or 9).

    I think I need to spend some more time trying to tune my 888... it is an 06 RC2. The only thing I wish I had was the ability to get the compression adjusted so it cuts down on low speed dive/bounce but isn't harsh. I haven't been able to find a happy medium on this fork for pedalling. It's dialed for DH though.

    If all else fails I will just get some triple ti eggbeaters, a gravity dropper, and call it good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AW_
    I have a granny ring on mine right now and it feels kind of silly. It's actually too low. If it is steep enough that I need 22x32 in all honesty I am going to be pushing anyways. Maybe I will swap to 175mm cranks for a while, I have some, and try 1x8 (or 9).

    I think I need to spend some more time trying to tune my 888... it is an 06 RC2. The only thing I wish I had was the ability to get the compression adjusted so it cuts down on low speed dive/bounce but isn't harsh. I haven't been able to find a happy medium on this fork for pedalling. It's dialed for DH though.

    If all else fails I will just get some triple ti eggbeaters, a gravity dropper, and call it good.
    FWIW, the new rc3 damper does an incredible job at minimizing bounce and dive while still being as plush as any other.

    I was never able to tune in the same feeling with any rc2 fork (rc2x and 66sl)

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoPawn
    FWIW, the new rc3 damper does an incredible job at minimizing bounce and dive while still being as plush as any other.

    I was never able to tune in the same feeling with any rc2 fork (rc2x and 66sl)
    Ditto, I'm currently having a problem tuning out the brake dive/bounce on El Ching's old 66 RC2x that's on mine. Seems its one or the other.

    Which is odd, b/c with the 170mm 66 rc2x on my RFX, it seems I can tune it in pretty well. Maybe I just haven't found that magical combination yet on El Ching's old one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Bottoms
    2 years ago every Highline owner was using short air shocks, 36's, and xc wheelsets. It was hard to find a Highline OVER 40 pounds.
    You forgot to mention how they pedaled like lighter bikes.
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    Mine is just under 38lbs. It wasn't cheap to get it down to this weight and keep it beefy and reliable enough for my liking, but it works very well. If I wanted to save some more weight easy, I would switch to DT 5.1 rims or something similar and consider an ATA or Totem Solo Air.

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    whoops wrong pic

    Here's the pic I meant to use;

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    OMG - that red brake hose is awful! Remind me to shove you off the log next time we're in Sequoia for that choice.... ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHAHEEB
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    Damn that blue is so clean looking. My raw Highline has so much "Character" I don't think it will ever look clean unless I go for paint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aixelsyd
    Damn that blue is so clean looking. My raw Highline has so much "Character" I don't think it will ever look clean unless I go for paint.
    New bikes always look clean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHAHEEB
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    Where's the pics and weight of the new fancy polished one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007
    Where's the pics and weight of the new fancy polished one?
    ha ha.

    duude, i have been waiting on a parts order from larry for about 3 weeks now. key stuff, BB & crankset. cant really build without these parts you know!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHAHEEB
    ha ha.

    duude, i have been waiting on a parts order from larry for about 3 weeks now. key stuff, BB & crankset. cant really build without these parts you know!

    You're telling this to the guy who had the frame sitting in his office since the end of August and has been accumulating parts since then. To add insult to injury, I've had it built and ready to ride since Christmas, and still haven't taken it out.
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    Gee Shah, do you change bikes just to get a different color?
    Hey, are those gold OS bars you have there? Who makes em, they come in 30"?

    R007, don't worry Miles still holds the record for longest unbuilt Highline frame.
    Faster is better, even when it's not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla
    Gee Shah, do you change bikes just to get a different color?
    Hey, are those gold OS bars you have there? Who makes em, they come in 30"?
    I don't think they are OS bars, it looks like they are attached to an original Thomson stem which I don't think came in 31.8. If I had to guess....... Azonic bars?

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    Good eye, I see that now. OS or NFW.
    Even on my Spot I can feel the difference right away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla
    R007, don't worry Miles still holds the record for longest unbuilt Highline frame.
    I think I broke my own record last year once I stopped snow riding on it, even though I now have all the parts to do it up proper. I'm beginning to think I don't really need a FR bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla
    Gee Shah, do you change bikes just to get a different color?
    Hey, are those gold OS bars you have there? Who makes em, they come in 30"?

    Zilla, look for some Answer protaper bars in Gold, there are still plenty out there. my best guess is go ride has a set!!! they always had a few in stock when I called. they are 25.4mm and they are 27" wide...bummer but they are golden. 1.5"rise... light and a great bend imo...
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