The Stealth Burner

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  • 01-09-2013
    1soulrider
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    The Stealth Burner
    Flying under the radar on a trail near you.....



    Just finished the build and got a ride in on this beauty, initial impressions are very positive.
    This is no 29er for sure.
    Built the Burner up with a spec close to that of my Spot and will be riding the two bikes back to back over the next few months to see what bike works best for me.
    I'm very curious to see what I find out.
  • 01-09-2013
    jjkitt
    I love the stealth! That is quite possible the coolest frame I've seen, very jealous. I assume the frame is anodized, what about the lettering? What was the turn-around time, I guessing it was a special order? I might have to get that done to my frame next winter.
  • 01-09-2013
    1soulrider
    I love how the frame turned out as well. The bike is pc not ano, it was done in flat black with black decals. I would have liked black ano but as this is a preproduction frame it was either paint it or leave it raw.
    Very sexy!
  • 01-09-2013
    J-Ha
    That's one mean looking rig... and good call with those I-9's! The stiffness offered by those wheels are surely a significant upgrade.

    I was lucky enough to get my Burner 4 days before my birthday, and have since had a number of rides on it. Such a great bike!

    Congrats!
  • 01-09-2013
    jjkitt
    Cool, would like to know your thoughts of the quality of the pc on a long-term basis. Not that I am opposed to pc-ing, because your frame is making me drool. However, my black ano has been tough as nails. Enjoy your ride...man itís sweet!

    Cheers,
  • 01-09-2013
    LncNuvue
    Nice setup. Looking forward to your review and comparison to the Spot.
  • 01-09-2013
    2TurnersNotEnough
    Is it me? Or are those some of those fancy carbonium rims on those I9s?

    Outstanding build.
  • 01-09-2013
    MK_
    Great looking rig. Has has your luck been with the Chinese carbon rims?

    _MK
  • 01-09-2013
    HubbaMan
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LncNuvue View Post
    Nice setup. Looking forward to your review and comparison to the Spot.

    ^^^^^ this.

    I'm ready to move on from my '01 RFX and am on the fence between a Spot & a Burner. From everything I've read, the differences come down to "flickability", "nimbleness" and other terms that make it difficult to grasp. One will roll over tech terrain better than the other but does the Burner have any shortcomings to the Spot or is it all gravy? Keep us posted!

    PS Build looks soooo sick, congrats :thumbsup:
  • 01-09-2013
    Acadian
    Hey J - you have that fork set to 160mm? With that fork what's the BB height?

    Nice bike - can't wait to hear your thoughts.
  • 01-09-2013
    airwreck
    Looking good. We might have to paint our raw too.
    Is that a medium or large?
    Bars feel high on mine with 150 fork and external lower cup, I'm used to low/aggresive positioning.
    I wish there was minions too, I really like consistency with my tires on my bikes.
  • 01-09-2013
    6thElement
    Love the look of that flat black, almost makes me jealous against my raw...almost ;)
  • 01-09-2013
    1soulrider
    J-Ha, Yep, love the stiffness of I9 wheelsets and with the 27.5 wheel size I wanted to keep flex out of the picture.
    How is your Burner treating you?

    jjkitt, I would go with ano given the choice. The ano on my Spot has been very durable, easy to clean and always looks sharp. I love how the pc came out on this bike but it will not stay fresh looking for as long and does not shed dirt like the ano.
    Another plus for ano is that you can always paint it in a couple years if the finish starts showing more wear than you like.

    2Turners, Good eye! Yes those are the much discussed "cheap Chinese carbon rims", we will see how they hold up. They are not Enves for sure but much easier on the wallet. Also I like that I can build these to I9's aluminum spokes which is not possible with Enves.

    MK, We will see. My wife has a set on her Spot and they have treated her well. I know some have had great luck with them, and others not so much. I will keep everyone updated on how well they survive. Hope I don't need a spare wheelset anytime soon...
  • 01-09-2013
    1soulrider
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by HubbaMan View Post
    ^^^^^ this.

    I'm ready to move on from my '01 RFX and am on the fence between a Spot & a Burner. From everything I've read, the differences come down to "flickability", "nimbleness" and other terms that make it difficult to grasp. One will roll over tech terrain better than the other but does the Burner have any shortcomings to the Spot or is it all gravy? Keep us posted!

    PS Build looks soooo sick, congrats :thumbsup:

    Glad to hear interest in this. I will do my best to help explain my finding, good and bad, to the community at large. It seems that there is a lot of riders like myself who are willing to give the 27.5 a chance, but have some reservations for one reason or another.
    By doing this comparison I hope to help provide some solid information and insight into the differences between the two wheel sizes.
    My hope is that the results of the test will help riders find the bike that will be the most fun for them.
  • 01-09-2013
    1soulrider
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Acadian View Post
    Hey J - you have that fork set to 160mm? With that fork what's the BB height?

    Nice bike - can't wait to hear your thoughts.

    Wow, good to hear from you Luke!
    The fork is at 150mm right now, I will pull the spacer when I get some time. I was just eager to ride the bike and figured it would be good to know what it felt like with the fork at 150.
    BB is at 13.25 as it sits.
    Keep an eye on the forum I will be updating regularly.


    Airwrek, The frame is a large. One thing I like right off about the Burner is that my hands are lower than my Large Spot. Even when I bump the fork up the bar will be a little lower than on the Spot.
    Hear ya about the tires; the Schwalbes are very vanilla imo. Minions would be sweet. One thing I have noticed though, you get better cornering adhesion from a 27.5" tire than the same tire in 26".


    6th, Raw is nice, but I'm loving this flat black
  • 01-09-2013
    wheatgerm
    Great lookin' bike. Look forward to your feedback on the ride.

    Was this one of the pre-production frames with the low BB? I thought I read that those frames' BB was ~12.75" with Nevegals or something.
  • 01-09-2013
    Acadian
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 1soulrider View Post
    Wow, good to hear from you Luke!
    The fork is at 150mm right now, I will pull the spacer when I get some time. I was just eager to ride the bike and figured it would be good to know what it felt like with the fork at 150.
    BB is at 13.25 as it sits.
    Keep an eye on the forum I will be updating regularly.

    I still lurk every now and again ;)

    I was asking because the bike looked fairly slack, which is good. I'd have to guess that with the fork at 150mm the bike is more balanced.

    Thanks for the info and enjoy the ride!
  • 01-09-2013
    Jaybo
    Man, you had better hope you like the Burner better after dumping all that cash into that gorgeous bike...
  • 01-09-2013
    1soulrider
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Acadian View Post
    I still lurk every now and again ;)

    I was asking because the bike looked fairly slack, which is good. I'd have to guess that with the fork at 150mm the bike is more balanced.

    Thanks for the info and enjoy the ride!


    The headangle sits at 66.5 as it is now, pretty much right where I like it. I have a 160mm Lyric on my Spot that I had planned on reducing down to 150. I ended up liking it so much at 160 that I left it there.
    Based on this experience I am looking forward to trying the 34 at 160.
  • 01-09-2013
    1soulrider
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wheatgerm View Post
    Great lookin' bike. Look forward to your feedback on the ride.

    Was this one of the pre-production frames with the low BB? I thought I read that those frames' BB was ~12.75" with Nevegals or something.

    I am pretty sure it is preproduction, but may need to check with Turner to be sure. I had expected a sub 13" bb and was a little disappointed that I didn't end up there.
  • 01-09-2013
    stumblemumble
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by HubbaMan View Post
    ^^^^^ this.

    I'm ready to move on from my '01 RFX and am on the fence between a Spot & a Burner. From everything I've read, the differences come down to "flickability", "nimbleness" and other terms that make it difficult to grasp. One will roll over tech terrain better than the other but does the Burner have any shortcomings to the Spot or is it all gravy? Keep us posted!

    PS Build looks soooo sick, congrats :thumbsup:

    BB heights are very different between the Spot and Burner. Check your terrain.
  • 01-10-2013
    CragRat
    Definatley want to hear the spot v burner comparison good and bad, i have a flux and was thinking of getting a spot , then the Burner came along..

    I ride more long days out xc but not xc race if you know what i mean supose its trail riding, lots of climbing some ruff some draggy..

    what sort of riding is your main type ..

    Cheers looking forward to it...very tempted by the 27.5 thing dont know why...

    Big issues with me on the burner are such a slack head angle compared to the flux...not sure the hieght of the BB on my 05 flux

    Ta CR
  • 01-10-2013
    Acadian
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 1soulrider View Post
    I am pretty sure it is preproduction, but may need to check with Turner to be sure. I had expected a sub 13" bb and was a little disappointed that I didn't end up there.

    word....as the wheels get bigger, that BB needs to keep dropping.
  • 01-10-2013
    Vespasianus
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LncNuvue View Post
    Nice setup. Looking forward to your review and comparison to the Spot.

    I hope to god the Burner is no different than the Spot. I have a 2011 and a wife that I like. Another bike might mean another wife... :D
  • 01-10-2013
    bobo_krkk_NIN
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jaybo View Post
    Man, you had better hope you like the Burner better after dumping all that cash into that gorgeous bike...

    Depends how much bling is on the spot...
  • 01-10-2013
    freebiker
    road tripper
    Beautiful build. I just want to say that i see the burner as the ultimate road trip weapon. You don't have the spot vs sultan dilemma! Not exactly a problem but certainly still an issue that comes up b4 any road trip.
  • 01-10-2013
    rmac
    Subscribing...

    Looks really good.
  • 01-10-2013
    steadite
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 1soulrider View Post
    They are not Enves for sure but much easier on the wallet. Also I like that I can build these to I9's aluminum spokes which is not possible with Enves

    It'll be interesting to see if you get corrosion of the Al spokes where they contact the drilled holes in the CF rim. Carbon and aluminum are almost the extreme ends of the galvanic series, so if they're in contact, and get wet, it'll drive corrosion. Also, I think I9 use 7075 for the spokes which is the most corrosion prone alloy (but strongest).

    Mint bike BTW.
  • 01-10-2013
    deanopatoni
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rmac View Post
    Subscribing...

    Looks really good.

    Me too!
  • 01-10-2013
    Jratt
    Hi all.

    So should we start doing a stealth look? Black ano with black decals? This frame looked amazing when we sent it and looks even better built.

    Jarett
  • 01-10-2013
    swan lee
    Quote:

    hi all.

    So should we start doing a stealth look? Black ano with black decals? This frame looked amazing when we sent it and looks even better built.

    Jarett
    YES! :thumbsup:
  • 01-10-2013
    deanopatoni
    LJ @ turnerbikes has got himself a stealth Burner too. Looks sweeet!

    Lj's Murdered Burner | Turner Blog

  • 01-10-2013
    AlienRFX
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jratt View Post
    Hi all.

    So should we start doing a stealth look? Black ano with black decals? This frame looked amazing when we sent it and looks even better built.

    Jarett

    Here is a better Idea, Polish the raw frames where the decals would sit, then apply decals prior to beadblasting, beadblast and then remove the decals and anodize.

    Now you have the stealth look without having decals on the finished product, as the logo is polished anodized aluminum surrounded by matte black anodizing.
  • 01-10-2013
    moldau94
    Absolutely! :thumbup::thumbup:

    The white decal on black ano is a little too much contrast. Darker logo (black or dark gray) looks awesome
  • 01-11-2013
    1soulrider
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AlienRFX View Post
    Here is a better Idea, Polish the raw frames where the decals would sit, then apply decals prior to beadblasting, beadblast and then remove the decals and anodize.

    Now you have the stealth look without having decals on the finished product, as the logo is polished anodized aluminum surrounded by matte black anodizing.

    This looks amazing when done right, I'd love to see Turner offer this in the future.
  • 01-11-2013
    1soulrider
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by steadite View Post
    It'll be interesting to see if you get corrosion of the Al spokes where they contact the drilled holes in the CF rim. Carbon and aluminum are almost the extreme ends of the galvanic series, so if they're in contact, and get wet, it'll drive corrosion. Also, I think I9 use 7075 for the spokes which is the most corrosion prone alloy (but strongest).

    Mint bike BTW.

    Very interesting. I'll keep a close eye on the spoke rim interface and look for signs of corrosion. And yes, they will be wet & muddy for months to come...
    I would think the ano finish on the spokes would offer some protection?
  • 01-11-2013
    steadite
    Yeah, the anodize layer should "help" because it's not electrically conductive, but remember Type II anodizing is just a few microns thick. Also, the anodize likely gets scraped as the spoke is torqued against the rim.

    I'm definitely not trying to rain on your parade, it's an unbelievably sweet bike!!!...just something to watch for.
  • 01-11-2013
    HubbaMan
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by stumblemumble View Post
    BB heights are very different between the Spot and Burner. Check your terrain.

    I've definitely noted the difference. I ride in a wide variety of terrain from rolling XC single track to North East rocks/roots with trips to various Western destinations. Clearly DT felt the need to raise the BB for the production version but I would like to think the differences between the two bikes are not solely linked to the type of terrain due to pedal strikes.

    To be honest the main areas I'm interested in are:

    Slow tech trails, when you have to finesse the bike through (over?) tricky spots - any difference between the two? does to bigger wheel cause that much of an issue in tight areas? What about the bb?

    Air play - how does the bike handle air time, either drops or jumps as compared to the Spot - is it as easy to tweak in the air or does it start to feel sluggish?

    I have no doubt that three wheels sizes can thrive in the industry, but I like to buy my bikes for the long haul, as you can see I'm 11 years on the RFX. I'm definitely slowing down in my older years but still have (I hope) plenty of years left. The Spot is so refined it's an easy way for me to go BUT, if I can get all the features of the Spot AND less rolling resistance then it's a no brainer to pick up a Burner.

    Turner's website has very little to say with regards to the differences between the two bikes (other than wheel size) so real world comparisons, from folks who actually own both bikes, is a golden opportunity to start defining the Burner's strengths/weaknesses rather then just saying it's a 650b version of the Spot.
  • 01-11-2013
    1soulrider
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by steadite View Post
    Yeah, the anodize layer should "help" because it's not electrically conductive, but remember Type II anodizing is just a few microns thick. Also, the anodize likely gets scraped as the spoke is torqued against the rim.

    I'm definitely not trying to rain on your parade, it's an unbelievably sweet bike!!!...just something to watch for.

    No worries, I appreciate the insight as this is something I had not considered.
  • 01-11-2013
    1soulrider
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by HubbaMan View Post
    I've definitely noted the difference. I ride in a wide variety of terrain from rolling XC single track to North East rocks/roots with trips to various Western destinations. Clearly DT felt the need to raise the BB for the production version but I would like to think the differences between the two bikes are not solely linked to the type of terrain due to pedal strikes.

    To be honest the main areas I'm interested in are:

    Slow tech trails, when you have to finesse the bike through (over?) tricky spots - any difference between the two? does to bigger wheel cause that much of an issue in tight areas? What about the bb?

    Air play - how does the bike handle air time, either drops or jumps as compared to the Spot - is it as easy to tweak in the air or does it start to feel sluggish?

    I have no doubt that three wheels sizes can thrive in the industry, but I like to buy my bikes for the long haul, as you can see I'm 11 years on the RFX. I'm definitely slowing down in my older years but still have (I hope) plenty of years left. The Spot is so refined it's an easy way for me to go BUT, if I can get all the features of the Spot AND less rolling resistance then it's a no brainer to pick up a Burner.

    Turner's website has very little to say with regards to the differences between the two bikes (other than wheel size) so real world comparisons, from folks who actually own both bikes, is a golden opportunity to start defining the Burner's strengths/weaknesses rather then just saying it's a 650b version of the Spot.

    This is exactly the sort of info I will be providing: real world differences between the two bikes with an honest assessment of the pros and cons of each.
    I need to get a bit more of a feel for the Burner's personality before I start writing up my findings.

    Right now I am quite infatuated with it.
  • 01-12-2013
    1soulrider
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    As I get more ride time on the Burner I like it more and more. This thing is a great trail bike, Iím having a hard time finding weakness with the Burner. I'll keep looking though ;)
  • 01-13-2013
    zarniwoop42
    Wow! That looks very nice.
  • 01-18-2013
    1soulrider
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    The Burner is continuing to impress. The geo is dialed on this bike, and despite the lower bb than my Spot I have yet to have any trouble with pedal strike.
    I love the feeling of the weight being low between the wheels, makes it shine in the corners.

    Been out on the Spot a few times now as well, getting close to starting the Burner vs Spot thread.

    Some photos from yesterdayís ride:
  • 01-18-2013
    6thElement
    Sweet looking trails, hoping to finally get out on mine tomorrow. It's going to be cooooold.
  • 01-18-2013
    1soulrider
    It will be worth the trouble! Looking forward to hearing your impressions of the Burner.
  • 01-18-2013
    RiverSurfer
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 1soulrider View Post
    Very interesting. I'll keep a close eye on the spoke rim interface and look for signs of corrosion. And yes, they will be wet & muddy for months to come...
    I would think the ano finish on the spokes would offer some protection?

    Burner turner ano
  • 01-18-2013
    RiverSurfer
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 1soulrider View Post
    It will be worth the trouble! Looking forward to hearing your impressions of the Burner.

    Soulrider,

    Are you running a Fox Talas or the Float? Is the fork set at 150mm or 160mm? I just picked up a Burner frame.

    Thanks
  • 01-18-2013
    1soulrider
    I'm on the Float set (right now) at 150. I have heard less than stellar reports about the 34 talas, and don't find the travel adjust necessary.


    So you had issues with corrosion on a enve wheelset? Could you elaborate on what happened?

    Oh congrats on the new frame btw, I'm sure you will enjoy it,.
  • 01-20-2013
    edbraunbeck
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by swan lee View Post
    YES! :thumbsup:

    Yes. Love the stealth look.
  • 01-23-2013
    bubba13
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jratt View Post
    Hi all.

    So should we start doing a stealth look? Black ano with black decals? This frame looked amazing when we sent it and looks even better built.

    Jarett

    YES! Please add black hardware and head badge to make it "forest park" ;) ready.