how is it that the tuner hl design that was once the best and only type to ride has been replaced by a faux bar that some say on this forum rides just the same ? i am not a design engineer but the front triangle looks the same and fron all the things i have read in the past the location of the pivot at the rear of the chainstay has no effect on the suspension activity. is it to hard a pill to swollow just to admit that the new turners are just the same as any other faux bar that has been dismissed as inferior for so long by so many hl turner owners. build quality and materials will make one bike feel better than another.