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    Spot: 36 TALAS RC2 & 32 TALAS RLC/15mm QR Review

    I have been running the new 32 TALAS RLC with the 15 mm QR on my Spot for several weeks and I have been very happy with the performance of the fork. It is noticeably stiffer than the TALAS 32 with the traditional QR. I am 210 lbs with gear so I am always looking for increased lateral and torsonial stiffness. Given the recent threads on riders running TALAS 36 on their Spots I had to give it a try. I pulled my 36 TALAS from my RFX and replaced it with the 32 TALAS on my Spot.

    The Spot with the 36 was stiffer than the 32 but is was not as dramatic as I thought. The 15 mm QR is very stiff, it stiffer than I thought it would be. I had the 36 at 130 mm travel setting. It had a nice balanced feel. However, when I hit the trail I was not that impressed. The Spot/36 did not climb as well as the Spot/32. The difference was quite dramatic. I had to work much harder on the climbs with the Spot/36 than I did on the Spot 32.The front did not hook up as well as the Spot/32. Overall handling of the Spot/36 was not as crisp as compared to the Spot/32. The Spot/36 did not have the nice balanced feel as compared to the Spot/32. Over rock gardens the 36 and RP23 did not compliment each other as well as the 32 and RP23. On the descents the Spot/36 felt nice but I was not overwhelmed by its performance. As mentioned, the 36 is stiffer - stating the obvious. But the additional stiffness does not outweigh the overall lack of performance of the 36 compared to the 32 on the Spot. The new TALAS 32 15 mm QR really matches up nicely with the Spot. Based on some of the feedback on the Spot/36 set up, I was hopeful it would be a great set up for the terrrain I ride. However, the 32/15 mm QR, seems to strike the perfect balance of performance and stiffness.

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    Now what would one think about Rock Shox Maxle/Maxle Lite offerings in their longer travel trail forks?

    This is starting to sound like the Formula brake thing. Same thing has been around and done right for many years, but just do it a bit different and the biking public will declare it the greatest new invention of the decade.

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    Curious......15mm TA hubs are available from who ( what make ) right now ? TIG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TIGMAN
    Curious......15mm TA hubs are available from who right now ? TIG.
    Hope has the 15 mm adaptors for the Hope Pro 2 hubs. I called Hope directly to order them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JTBAZ
    Hope has the 15 mm adaptors for the Hope Pro 2 hubs. I called Hope directly to order them.

    Thanks........it will be interesting to see how long it takes CK , I9 , maybe even Hadley to offer 15mm TA hubs ! A while back I thought I heard Shimano was already planning on producing them.........good for Hope to come thru ! TIG.

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    Thanks for the review. What year is your 36? I've read that earlier 36 talas dampers were not as good as 08's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beefmagic
    Thanks for the review. What year is your 36? I've read that earlier 36 talas dampers were not as good as 08's.
    The TALAS 36 is an 08. It matches it real nice with my RFX with the RP23 shock. I had an 07 TALAS 36. For me, I have not noticed a significant difference in the ride quality between the 07 and 08.

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    "TALAS" is not a damper. As per what the acronym stands for, it's an air spring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TIGMAN
    Thanks........it will be interesting to see how long it takes CK , I9 , maybe even Hadley to offer 15mm TA hubs ! A while back I thought I heard Shimano was already planning on producing them.........good for Hope to come thru ! TIG.
    Shimano teamed with Fox in designing the 15 mm TA. Supposedly the Shimano hubs are available but I have not seen them yet. CK and DT Swiss have designed hubs for the 15 mm TA, but I am not sure when they will be released.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JTBAZ
    The Spot/36 did not climb as well as the Spot/32. The difference was quite dramatic. I had to work much harder on the climbs with the Spot/36 than I did on the Spot 32.The front did not hook up as well as the Spot/32. Overall handling of the Spot/36 was not as crisp as compared to the Spot/32. The Spot/36 did not have the nice balanced feel as compared to the Spot/32. Over rock gardens the 36 and RP23 did not compliment each other as well as the 32 and RP23. On the descents the Spot/36 felt nice but I was not overwhelmed by its performance.
    Just off the top of my head, I can think of a few obvious difference between the two forks: 1 lb weight advantage to 32; 10 mm less travel on the 36 @ 130 compared to 32 @ 140; and < 0.5 degree slacker head angle with the 36 (assuming 510 a-to-c for the 32 and 548-->518 of the 36 @ 130). The Fox website says the 32 damper is an open bath, while the 36 has the FIT cartridge, but I don't know what the difference is there.

    Did the damping feel different between the two forks (assuming you had them set up similarly)? Did you ride the 36 @ 160 at all? And what year is your Spot frame?

    Nice review.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    "TALAS" is not a damper. As per what the acronym stands for, it's an air spring.
    yes, I know, 'travel adjust linear air spring' or something like that. I should have probably worded it a little clearer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JTBAZ
    I have been running the new 32 TALAS RLC with the 15 mm QR on my Spot for several weeks and I have been very happy with the performance of the fork. It is noticeably stiffer than the TALAS 32 with the traditional QR. I am 210 lbs with gear so I am always looking for increased lateral and torsonial stiffness. Given the recent threads on riders running TALAS 36 on their Spots I had to give it a try. I pulled my 36 TALAS from my RFX and replaced it with the 32 TALAS on my Spot.

    The Spot with the 36 was stiffer than the 32 but is was not as dramatic as I thought. The 15 mm QR is very stiff, it stiffer than I thought it would be. I had the 36 at 130 mm travel setting. It had a nice balanced feel. However, when I hit the trail I was not that impressed. The Spot/36 did not climb as well as the Spot/32. The difference was quite dramatic. I had to work much harder on the climbs with the Spot/36 than I did on the Spot 32.The front did not hook up as well as the Spot/32. Overall handling of the Spot/36 was not as crisp as compared to the Spot/32. The Spot/36 did not have the nice balanced feel as compared to the Spot/32. Over rock gardens the 36 and RP23 did not compliment each other as well as the 32 and RP23. On the descents the Spot/36 felt nice but I was not overwhelmed by its performance. As mentioned, the 36 is stiffer - stating the obvious. But the additional stiffness does not outweigh the overall lack of performance of the 36 compared to the 32 on the Spot. The new TALAS 32 15 mm QR really matches up nicely with the Spot. Based on some of the feedback on the Spot/36 set up, I was hopeful it would be a great set up for the terrrain I ride. However, the 32/15 mm QR, seems to strike the perfect balance of performance and stiffness.
    Nice report, but Im lost at this point though, those running 36s on there Spots whether I agree or not are looking for a slacker harder core riding Spot maybe that slopestyle mini dh feel and using the slight weight and less travel for a snappier ride compared to the RFX as the benefits that I can see, not a XC/trail setup, the 36 is not a trail fork its AM/light FR, there's a weight penalty and A2C diffference as others have said, the F32 is a trail fork, QR or 15mm TA is still imo a XC standard!

    Now try a 20mm RS Pike 454 and report back that would be very interesting if totally unbiased!

    I still think the industry did not need another hub/fork standard and its another attempt to make inroads into an area Fox and Shimano have lost allot of ground in! Shimano don't stack up in the 20mm world, they still might rule in QR due to OEM and lack of consumer knowledge! Fox missed out big time in the 130 -140mm area as did most of the others!

    Most ride what they buy, and trust the mechanic who services there bike, usually and Ive seen it lots swap the same part for like part! Due to cost budget, ignorance lack of knowledge, we are not the norm mtb world in here as much as we think we are LOL!

    I'm just waiting for Fox to release it's 15mm ta 29er fork its got to be next

    Just one other point for those with more than one bike, I had 4 bikes with 20mm front TA's [now only 3 and lucky to have those still] I could use any of the four front wheels on any bike, for any situation, out of the four wheelsets, I could can still use 3 for any rear combo, if you did say have 15mm ta for one bike and 20mm for another ya just reduced your options

    Silly, stupid standard, stupid industry, marketing at is worst, it brings nothing to the table, OMO and apologies jbatz Im not trying to slam you but this sort of stuff gets up my nose as ya can tell

    Sram maxle light is the intelligent option and they thought of the riders and consumers, well done Sram, another reason I continue to support there products 2 of my 3 forks are RS and Ive had no issues with either, might be time for some serivce time while Im off the bike though, esspecially the Pike its 2plus years on from new and no work done!

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    Now try a 20mm RS Pike 454 and report back that would be very interesting if totally unbiased!

    I actually had a 20 mm RS Pike 454 for the Spot. I did not feel a noticeable difference between the Pike and the TALAS 15 as far as stiffness. I prefered the way the TALAS performed compared to the Pike. It seemed to hook up better in the rough rocky terrain. The TALAS is also lighter. Accordingly, I sold the Pike.


    Silly, stupid standard, stupid industry, marketing at is worst, it brings nothing to the table, OMO and apologies jbatz Im not trying to slam you but this sort of stuff gets up my nose as ya can tell

    I hear you - I am not creating the standards, I am just a consumer reporting feedback on a new standard.

    I am also frustrated with the different standards. What about brakes? It is frustrating setting up brakes when you have to consider rotors, adapters, post mount and international standards and making sure everything is compatible. I

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    Quote Originally Posted by JTBAZ
    Now try a 20mm RS Pike 454 and report back that would be very interesting if totally unbiased!

    I actually had a 20 mm RS Pike 454 for the Spot. I did not feel a noticeable difference between the Pike and the TALAS 15 as far as stiffness. I prefered the way the TALAS performed compared to the Pike. It seemed to hook up better in the rough rocky terrain. The TALAS is also lighter. Accordingly, I sold the Pike.
    Ya Im not suprised to hear that ya would need to dam good to feel that difference, I ma suprised ya like the Talas over the PIKE but again its a personal thing, where not all the same and thats good, Im glad the Talas is working for ya, I prefer the RS damping in Air forks, so again it probably depends on how ya want your ride, I think theyve made it even harder now for people though! be interesting to see how this plays out over time, I remember when everyone was touting 24mm, I wonder how many of those King sell


    Silly, stupid standard, stupid industry, marketing at is worst, it brings nothing to the table, OMO and apologies jbatz Im not trying to slam you but this sort of stuff gets up my nose as ya can tell

    I hear you - I am not creating the standards, I am just a consumer reporting feedback on a new standard.

    I am also frustrated with the different standards. What about brakes? It is frustrating setting up brakes when you have to consider rotors, adapters, post mount and international standards and making sure everything is compatible.
    yeah I totally agree with ya brakes are one of the worst, atleast now most forks seem to have settled on Post Mount and this has helped, but I too have **** loads of adaptors many I have no idea what theyre for anymore.
    Dam pain as some of my forks are IS some PM


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    Still good to get feed back JT as I'm sure there are many interested in that setup, but they should seriously consider the future setups when going for it could be costly! ya got I9 fo example that can do multiple hub changes from QR to 20mm now in between we have 15mm!

    I think it could go both ways many sales lost and some painful lessons, still some will be happy with it

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    Yup def a weight diff you weight weanie's LOL, know some of you its important, will be interesting to see RS 09 line, with the reba etc going 20mm, I'd sit on the fence a bit, for me I have no reasons to upgrade my Pike it works great, I would like to push it one day maybe, but will figure that out when the time comes, they don't do INT!..
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardboiled
    Just off the top of my head, I can think of a few obvious difference between the two forks: 1 lb weight advantage to 32; 10 mm less travel on the 36 @ 130 compared to 32 @ 140; and < 0.5 degree slacker head angle with the 36 (assuming 510 a-to-c for the 32 and 548-->518 of the 36 @ 130). The Fox website says the 32 damper is an open bath, while the 36 has the FIT cartridge, but I don't know what the difference is there.

    Did the damping feel different between the two forks (assuming you had them set up similarly)? Did you ride the 36 @ 160 at all? And what year is your Spot frame?

    Nice review.
    I definitely noticed the weight. A pound did make a difference for me. I stuggled more with the 36 on climbs - the bike seemed very sluggish. I don't think the weight was the only reason but it was definitely a factor. I actually had the 32 back on the bike today and I did the same ride and the climbing was much easier. The damping was also different, but this could be partly attirbuted to set up. The 36 felt a little harsher in the rock gardens compared to the 32, it was even more dramatic on rocky climbs. But again this may be attributed to set up. I did try the 36 in the 160 mode on descents and it felt good on the descents - a little more stable than the 32 - not surprising.

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    JTBAZ - Thank you very much for this review. I've been mulling this 36 vs 32 QR 15 for over a wk and even had typed up a PM that was asking you your opinion that I didn't send. I had a Talas 36 on my Spot before it got stolen and agree w/ you that the bike felt just a little heavy up front and for the riding I do (the same as you do - I'm also in Phx) that the 36 was stiff as hell but more than I needed. I ordered a 32 today but I am going to the 150. To me it is the best of both worlds especially at 150 mm. I can't wait for King to come out w/ the QR15 so I'm going w/ the Pro II that is supposed to be in nxt wk Monday.

    Thanks Again

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    Quote Originally Posted by LOJORISON
    JTBAZ - Thank you very much for this review. I've been mulling this 36 vs 32 QR 15 for over a wk and even had typed up a PM that was asking you your opinion that I didn't send. I had a Talas 36 on my Spot before it got stolen and agree w/ you that the bike felt just a little heavy up front and for the riding I do (the same as you do - I'm also in Phx) that the 36 was stiff as hell but more than I needed. I ordered a 32 today but I am going to the 150. To me it is the best of both worlds especially at 150 mm. I can't wait for King to come out w/ the QR15 so I'm going w/ the Pro II that is supposed to be in nxt wk Monday.

    Thanks Again

    LOJORISON, Are you going with the Spot again, any word on the one that was stolen? I am considering whether to go with the 36 or the 32 for my replacement bike since I have Hope hubs that I can easily convert.

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    AZMTBR - Ya I loved the Spot. I considered going w/ a Sultan but I just don't have any problems w/ 26" and haven't riden a 29er yet. My deal is to buy a bike and ride it for 6 or so years and I didn't want to risk it... No word on the bike. I've just about given up on both. City of Phx has a website to check for pictures of unclaimed property btw - I'll PM you if I see another unclaimed Turner. On the 32/36 question I just felt the 150MM 32 w/ QR15 is a perfect fork combo on paper for me and this review helps me believe that will translate in reality. On the Turner Web Page they recommend fork travel as 130--150 too. 160MM was a blast on down hills but I'd wash out the front a little and it did feel like serious overkill for my normal riding - primarily xc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trailadvent
    Nice report, but Im lost at this point though, those running 36s on there Spots whether I agree or not are looking for a slacker harder core riding Spot.

    I still think the industry did not need another hub/fork standard and its another attempt to make inroads into an area Fox and Shimano have lost allot of ground in! Shimano don't stack up in the 20mm world, they still might rule in QR due to OEM and lack of consumer knowledge! Fox missed out big time in the 130 -140mm area as did most of the others!
    JT & TA, I agree and disagree with you both. But an opinion is like a buttcrack - we've all got one and most stink.

    So here's my flatulence: I'd like to see the industry all go to QR15 - front and rear. It may be strong enough to replace the front 20mm standard for DH & FR action, and touted to be nearly as light as the current QR setup including the skewer.

    I didn't like the separation between QR-Skewer and 20MM. I just upgraded from a skewer to a 20mm and it was quite an investment! I wanted a fork with adjustable travel utilizing one setting at 130mm for my home trails and 160mm for steeper/faster trails where I could use the slacker HA on my SPOT. (140mm wasn't enough IMO) I feel I got what I expected - but don't ride hard enough to break a 32 - so agree the 36 is more fork than I need - but I wanted the slack head angle when things get steep and fast.

    Well there it is in a nutshell - if 20mm is not used in the rear of the heaviest-dutiest of bikes, why do we absolutely need it in the front? Would 15mm be enough for DH/FR?
    (NOTE - the 15mm axle could be made from different materials to vary the balance of weight vs. strength depending on the application) Then we could go to one hub axle size for any application and those in between.

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    Some interesting opinions/observations. So far I've found my 09 Talas to be a very plush fork, but I run my sag around 33% to make it a little squishy. Still haven't bottomed it yet so I must be doing something right.

    JTBAZ, do you feel you have the HS & LS compression dialed on the 36? That's something I'm still working on after a couple of weeks - since this is the first fork I've had with both adjustments I want to keep tweaking until I get it right. Its taking more time to get right than a standard RC fork, I had my old Vanilla dialed by the end of the first ride. The taller AC will make the ride a bit more sluggish, but I find the handling to be crisp at 130 and bomb-diggity at 160. I also like the extra travel and the slacker angles on the DH stuff - I put my 66 SL on my old Spot and set it to 150mm and it was fun when pointed down - one of the reasons I wanted a 160mm fork for the new Spot.

    I was running my old Spot with a 140mm Pike, which had the geometry a little slacker than the new Spot at 130 and a little steeper compared to the 36 at 160. Don't know if this is unique to the 09's, but the travel adjustments are just a couple clicks from where you're starting from - and each setting is a 1/4 turn of the knob. For me its very XC feeling at 130 and pretty comfy at 160. I think 150 would be perfect in the long setting, both travel and geometry-wise, but you can't have everything.

    Personally, I just don't get why Fox would go with this new 15mm thingy when tons of 20mm hubs are already in circulation. It may work, but much like Maverick, you can't just get a new fork to try out - you have to get a whole new damn wheel. If you're making the switch from a QR for the first time no biggie, but I've run 20mm hubs since the first Z1 with the QR20 so old skool QR's have been a thing of the past for awhile.

    Besides Fox already has a QR-ish system for the 20mm axles, why not just use that? Maybe the 15mm is a tad lighter - but nobody can tell the difference between a 4.1# fork and a 4.3# fork unless its on a scale. When shopping for a new fork for my Spot I never even gave the 15mm stuff a look because of the new wheel needs - I'm through with proprietary stuff ... r.i.p. Maverick, Lefty and now Fox15.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AK Chris
    Personally, I just don't get why Fox would go with this new 15mm thingy when tons of 20mm hubs are already in circulation. It may work, but much like Maverick, you can't just get a new fork to try out - you have to get a whole new damn wheel. If you're making the switch from a QR for the first time no biggie, but I've run 20mm hubs since the first Z1 with the QR20 so old skool QR's have been a thing of the past for awhile.

    Besides Fox already has a QR-ish system for the 20mm axles, why not just use that? Maybe the 15mm is a tad lighter - but nobody can tell the difference between a 4.1# fork and a 4.3# fork unless its on a scale. When shopping for a new fork for my Spot I never even gave the 15mm stuff a look because of the new wheel needs - I'm through with proprietary stuff ... r.i.p. Maverick, Lefty and now Fox15.
    You forgot the Specialized 25mm thru axle - The Enduro SL, hows that for proprietary!

    I don't disagree with you on that Chris. But I don't see the XC guys adopting the 20mm even in Maxle or Fox's 36 format. Basically the industry needs a happy medium that both XC and heavy can adopt and allow the industry to start over again too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cucucachu
    You forgot the Specialized 25mm thru axle - The Enduro SL, hows that for proprietary!
    And lets not forget their own forks and rear shocks and so on - r.i.p. Specialized too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AK Chris
    I'm through with proprietary stuff ... r.i.p. Maverick, Lefty and now Fox15.
    I'm with ya AK all the way


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    Yeah my only other observartion is I would definitley hold off buying any new fork in this catagory at the mo, with the reba going 20mm light the new 29er ta fork etc there's going to be some changes in the Revelation and PIKE Im betting

    Course if ya like Fox damping then ya stuck, and another standard in ya stable

    XC riders, well for me its just good information from the industry, if theyre that concerned with weight then they will stay QR, is there really any benefit to ta for them I dunno I raced Leftys withta's and I loved that fork on my HT but I would never go there again, course I don't do XC anymore either

    But education, good wheel building, using smart choices will build you as good a wheel imo.

    Fox and Shimano will market the crap outta this liek Shimano did withb STI on mtb where did that go R I P..

    I say good luck and hope ya only got one bike, what a nightmare and lack of options if ya got more, also ya market has now shrunk to move on such fork and hub, when ya want to upgrade
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    Not to say I love the "another standard" that 15mm provides, but at least they made a size that most hub manufacturers can make a reducer for so you can use your existing 20mm hubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whambat
    Not to say I love the "another standard" that 15mm provides, but at least they made a size that most hub manufacturers can make a reducer for so you can use your existing 20mm hubs.

    Umm good point, does that mean more weight?

    Ah on reflection if ya got 20mm why would ya want to go to 15mm, well maybe to use a wheel If you did add a 15mm fork to your line, um am thinking out loud to cover off all possibilites!

    I'd personally spend $30-40 on a new maxle axle lite, if I was worried about it, probably cheaper than 15mm adaptors, good deabte though, Im still intrigued to see what RS is gonna release on us later this year!

    My main problem I see with allot of this is there's becoming significant overlap in the market which is companies trying to use guerrila marketing techniques instead of refining and improving exisitng products, I look at Marzocchi, how many loyal customers have they lost or are lose because it focused on new products to differentiate themselves sell more which is the ideal business plan and end goal of any business ya got to be in to make a profit, but lost out on quality control, or tech issues with new technology and there core selling point of there fork line, reliability, buttery smooth feel and bad ass culture, now we got then Avengers mixed in with GW Bush & self exploding time bombs in some of the lair models anyway!

    Thats why Im debating this does it lead to better products more options or more problems we end up wearing, standards are not lack of progress or advancement but lead to better and better end products for us, I hope anyway, still I do love to use the dremel now and again

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    JTBAZ, do you feel you have the HS & LS compression dialed on the 36? That's something I'm still working on after a couple of weeks - since this is the first fork I've had with both adjustments I want to keep tweaking until I get it right. Its taking more time to get right than a standard RC fork, I had my old Vanilla dialed by the end of the first ride. The taller AC will make the ride a bit more sluggish, but I find the handling to be crisp at 130 and bomb-diggity at 160. I also like the extra travel and the slacker angles on the DH stuff - I put my 66 SL on my old Spot and set it to 150mm and it was fun when pointed down - one of the reasons I wanted a 160mm fork for the new Spot.

    The HS & LS felt pretty dialed; however, it is possible it could have been refined. However, even if the HS and LS compression was perfectly dialed, I don't know if that would have been enough for me to keep it on the Spot. The 36 did not have a good feel to me as compared to the TALAS 32. The Spot became sluggish with the 36 and climbing was noticeably more challenging.
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    [QUOTE=Whambat]Not to say I love the "another standard" that 15mm provides, but at least they made a size that most hub manufacturers can make a reducer for so you can use your existing 20mm hubs.[/QUOTE

    I don't think you can convert a 20mm to 15mm as they are wider than 100mm and the qr15 is 10omm the same as a stadard qr width

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    Not to say I love the "another standard" that 15mm provides, but at least they made a size that most hub manufacturers can make a reducer for so you can use your existing 20mm hubs.
    I don't think you can convert a 20mm to 15mm as they are wider than 100mm and the qr15 is 10omm the same as a stadard qr width
    You can in the case of the Hope Pro II. The axle caps are replaceable and they offer caps for QR, 20mm, and the new 15mm. I suspect that the DT 240S O/S and DT 440 will also have adapters down to 15mm.

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    yes. i am sure anyone that makes a convertable front hub like hope, dt swiss and i think the easton hub will be ale to make a qr15 adapter, but the dedicated 20mm hub owners will be screwed (king, hadley etc.)

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    The TALAS 150/15mm axle sounds great BUT I hear it may be OEM-only and thus not available for aftermarket sale. That would be a bummer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueMountain
    The TALAS 150/15mm axle sounds great BUT I hear it may be OEM-only and thus not available for aftermarket sale. That would be a bummer.
    Yeah, that would stink. Has anyone ridden this fork yet. If it's stiff enough laterally (and fore/aft) for some rough chunk when in the 150 mode, it may be the perfect match for the Spot, new BlurLT, and the Intense adjustable travel trail bike that's coming out this fall.

    Interesting to hear your comments on the 36 TALAS vs 32 TALAS with your Spot, JTBAZ. That was one of the options I was considering for my new all purpose bike.
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    universal cyles is listing that they have the 150 qr15 in stock now. i am just about ready to pull the trigger on it but think i might wait. they list out at 850 but if you use vip15 as a coupon they are 711 plus shipping. my only problem is all my hubs are king qr or 20mm. i would have to build up a new hope hub and i think i will wait to here what king is planning to do on this option first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plmrman
    universal cyles is listing that they have the 150 qr15 in stock now. i am just about ready to pull the trigger on it but think i might wait. they list out at 850 but if you use vip15 as a coupon they are 711 plus shipping. my only problem is all my hubs are king qr or 20mm. i would have to build up a new hope hub and i think i will wait to here what king is planning to do on this option first.
    If I did not have the Hope Pro 2 convertible hubs I would have held off on the purchase. New hubs are not cheap and I have not heard when King will actually have the hubs for the 15mm TA. I am not sure if King will have a conversion kit. My understanding, and I could be wrong, is that it will be a new hub.

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    If I did not have the Hope Pro 2 convertible hubs I would have held off on the purchase. New hubs are not cheap and I have not heard when King will actually have the hubs for the 15mm TA. I am not sure if King will have a conversion kit. My understanding, and I could be wrong, is that it will be a new hub.

    yes that is what i am afraid of i don't want another style of front hub hanging around. i like the idea of qr15 but i don't know about having to build up a new wheel. 150mm is exactly what i am looking for though so that kind of sucks. i wish fox would make the 36 talas 160-140-120mm instead of 160-130-100 as 100 is just to low. even the new 150 only goes down to 110

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    Call them- I'm sure they will not have that fork in stock. The weight and price they list is for the 15mm TALAS 140, even though they mention the 110/130/150 travel. According to Fox, this fork has not been released yet. Also, they believe this one may be OEM only, sold in build kit form but they do list it on the Fox website. The MSRP for the 150 TALAS, if it will be available as an aftermarket fork, is $900.

    Nobody has this fork yet even though it shows up on Fox's pricelist to dealers.

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    Two Forks Too Many?

    This is a very interesting review/topic of discussion.

    It is good to know that I am not the only one with a Spot who is/was considering a Talas 36. I currently run a Pike 454, but one of the bikes I previously owned had a 2006 Talas RC2. I liked it a lot when the going got rough going downhill. That year/model fork had 110-150 adjustment in 3mm increments. Of course the 20mm thru was the cumbersome allen wrench type, but the amount of travel and 20mm thru axel put it right up there on the list.

    The reason for the change? I love the setup of my Spot right now RP23(pushed)/RS 454, but when I took the bike on LPS and Porcupine it just felt too light and ungrounded. After that experience I purchased a DHX-c and I am looking for a 06 Talas RC2.

    I had looked at the 150 Talas 32 15 thru, but that proprietary thru axel and the stiffness of the 32 vs the 36 made me shy away from it. I run a Hope II up front. Good to know that Hope is making an adapter. BTW – wheelsets with a CK rear with a Hope front are great IMO. Thought about the CK up front, but the lack of adapters helped me choose the Hope.

    Anyway, it sounds like I need two forks and two shocks. On pair RP23/RS454 and the other DHX-c/Talas 36. Obviously this forces the rider to pick a setup each and every time he/she goes out to ride. This is not ideal, but this may be the truest form of the “One Bike” concept.

    The other option, $$$$, two rigs - one for xc/trail the other for fr/dh. Isn't this the dilemma most of the mountain bikers face today? If it is, doesn't it blow the whole "one bike can do it all" argument out of the water? IMO it does. Regardless of whether a bike frame has adjustable geometry or not, you end up compromising on the parts. Some parts are made for xc/trail others for fr/dh. I have yet to find anyone running, for instance, a nice light wheelset with dh fork and saying, “Yes, it can do it all”. It is time to face the inconvenient truth, bike manufactures, despite what their marketing departments tell you, do not make a do it all solution. Compromise is the operative word when it comes to biking in the "real world".
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    Does that mean HOPE have actually released a 15mm conversion kit for the 15mm thru-axle? That would make my day...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JTBAZ
    I definitely noticed the weight. A pound did make a difference for me. I stuggled more with the 36 on climbs - the bike seemed very sluggish. I don't think the weight was the only reason but it was definitely a factor. I actually had the 32 back on the bike today and I did the same ride and the climbing was much easier. The damping was also different, but this could be partly attirbuted to set up. The 36 felt a little harsher in the rock gardens compared to the 32, it was even more dramatic on rocky climbs. But again this may be attributed to set up. I did try the 36 in the 160 mode on descents and it felt good on the descents - a little more stable than the 32 - not surprising.
    You know, that sounds similar to my experience on my El Ciclon with the TALAS 36. Earlier on, I was running a Marz. AM 1 (QR version) with 130mm of travel, and the bike felt spot-on. As soon as the started running the TALAS 36 RC2 in 130mm mode, the bike, although not having gained much height A-C wise, just felt heavier up front. Sure, it was a little stiffer due to the TA, but really sluggish when climbing and pulling the front end up on technical terrain. I liked the TALAS 36 for descending, but overall, it was too much fork for the Ciclon. As the Spot is very similar, I would expect the result to be similar, and it sounds as if you are confirming my suspicion. I thought it was just me, but a lighter, more trail-oriented fork is probably warranted for each of those bikes. Slap it on an RFX or Terremoto though, and you have a different story.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by philb-kiwi
    Does that mean HOPE have actually released a 15mm conversion kit for the 15mm thru-axle? That would make my day...
    That is correct. Hope has the 15 mm conversion kit for the 15 TA. I actually called Hope and I ordered the conversion over the phone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bond007jms

    The other option, $$$$, two rigs - one for xc/trail the other for fr/dh. Isn't this the dilemma most of the mountain bikers face today? If it is, doesn't it blow the whole "one bike can do it all" argument out of the water? IMO it does. Regardless of whether a bike frame has adjustable geometry or not, you end up compromising on the parts. Some parts are made for xc/trail others for fr/dh. I have yet to find anyone running, for instance, a nice light wheelset with dh fork and saying, “Yes, it can do it all”. It is time to face the inconvenient truth, bike manufactures, despite what their marketing departments tell you, do not make a do it all solution. Compromise is the operative word when it comes to biking in the "real world".
    Great comments and I would agree there is no "do-it-all" bike. The Spot is an incredibly versatile bike. It can be built very light and be used for the occasional XC race or 24 race. It can be built up heavy for aggressive all mountain, but it has it limits; and their are compromises based on how I build it up.

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    Bang on bond you need a HL!

    Keep the Spot with the PIKE, otherwise imo you'll compromise too much, if anything look at your wheels, TA both ends rims a decent width so you can put some decent tread on there, bigger tires can make a diference esspecially up front the PIKE can handle it but a good wheelset and beefy tires will keep it grounded and stable things up a bit!

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    Quote Originally Posted by plmrman
    i wish fox would make the 36 talas 160-140-120mm instead of 160-130-100 as 100 is just to low.
    Yeah, me too. I wouldn't even mind five clicks of 10mm each...160, 150, 140, 130,120, and 110.
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    How tall is 150 QR15? According to other models it should be 521 mm high?

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    Quote Originally Posted by plmrman
    universal cyles is listing that they have the 150 qr15 in stock now. i am just about ready to pull the trigger on it but think i might wait. they list out at 850 but if you use vip15 as a coupon they are 711 plus shipping. my only problem is all my hubs are king qr or 20mm. i would have to build up a new hope hub and i think i will wait to here what king is planning to do on this option first.
    Well, bummer, went to go pick up my new 150mm fork (as listed on their site) and it was the 140 model. As others have mentioned, the fork isn't even available yet. The 140 looked sweet, and it was cool to see the new axle, but I'll wait. Looks like it's going to be very stiff, and I for one like the alternative to the 20mm. Something new to check out, and obviously this fork weighs way less than a 20mm Fox fork, which is the only brand I ride.

    I'll keep everyone posted, as they expect shipment in August.

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    Interesting news I suspect with RS new 140mm lighter fork coming out soon and now Magura stepping up, Im still seeing some shooting themselves in the foot with 15mm, time will tell but I like this approach not that it affects me but I still see it as more sensible approach..me at the mo definitley not convinced, and see there being a good 20mm vs 15mm over time be interesting to see if this takes on and how it plays out, definitley seems like plenty are willing to go with it!

    Course no reason for me to change from 20mm either Im no weight weanie, though I can set my Spot up light and strong, I also have some reservation with weight vs durability, as if there's not enough post about 36s easily dented etc, some compromises are natural with weight, strength, durability stifness and of course price!

    I like the sound of this fork myself..

    MAGURA - New for '09 is the 140mm-travel Thor which will come with RockShox' standard tool-free Maxle 360 20mm thru-axle system or Magura's own '60less' (as in 60g lighter) axle which will require a 5mm hex wrench. Travel is adjustable down to 100mm via Magura's Flight Control Remote.
    Some nice new stuff from Maggie, pity they still haven't come out with a 5.5lb coil ver & no bar dials in the Wotan or a 29er da fork in 20mm light urghh..
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    Quote Originally Posted by plmrman
    i wish fox would make the 36 talas 160-140-120mm instead of 160-130-100 as 100 is just to low.
    Too low for what? Riding singletrack on an RFX? Of course. But it isn't too low for steep climbs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cucucachu
    Well there it is in a nutshell - if 20mm is not used in the rear of the heaviest-dutiest of bikes, why do we absolutely need it in the front?
    Imagine the size of your freehub were you to run a 20 mm TA on a rear hub.

    We need 20 mm for the stiffness/strength it provides, and it is the de facto standard (never mind what Mavrick and Specialized say). The introduction of 15mm takes nothing away from 20mm hubs, but hopefully it will mean the demise of the 9mm QR on MTB's.

    We can live with several sizes/standards . . . after all we have different sized seatposts, BB's, Stems . . . .
    Hadley rear hub service here and here.

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    Interesting thread as I am considering to buy a '09 36 Float or Talas for my Mojo. A couple of things:

    According to SRAM South Africa the only change to the Pike will be that the 454 falls away. Only Coil or Air 426/409 aimed at the heavier AM rider. Obviously everybody knows by know that Rev will go up to 140mm with 20mm Maxle Lite. Maxle Lite will in most likely hood not be cross compatable and '09 Rev lowers will not fit '08 Revelation.

    RS will NOT be offering a 15mm version now or in the future as it is less stiff than 20mm, not as versatile (as many of you with 20mm hubs will know) and the weight saving over their "lite" is not enough.

    Chris King will take a while to release a 15mm hub, if ever. Reason being that they don't take an existing hub and downsize it to 15mm or upsize it to 15mm. According to CK if they do a new anything they want to make the ULTIMATE new anything. That's why they don't do a front hub with conversion kits.
    Hope, DT and I9 allready have conversions available, where as Shimano will have a 15mm hub available in the very near future. Not sure about Hadley and the rest.

    Another important thing to note: in its 130mm setting, the 36 Talas is 4mm taller than a 140mm 32. So even though it only offers 130mm travel, your head angle will be closer to a 32's in 140mm.
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    Good info. Although I'm not following why CK doesn't do a front hub with conversion kit. I sure wish they did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmelani
    Good info. Although I'm not following why CK doesn't do a front hub with conversion kit. I sure wish they did.
    CK have been around for awhile its only in recent times has there been so many options and fork travel crossover, only a few years back most were in the QR camp or TA camp or the gap between both was pretty big, now things have improved wider rims for AM lightish, spokes and wheel building etc!

    Personally I have no desire to have adaptable hubs if spending that sort of money, {I see benefits in it though reselling and for some its a good call] I'd hope I got my specc right to begin with, your compromisng something somewhere but thats just me! I have no reason to go back to QR on FS, maybe for a SS HT but I'd build an appropiate wheelset for it, Im oldschool in that regard and its not because of big pocket books just I believe in the value of good wheel builds!

    CK takes a slow approach not nessecarily a bad thing, though theres a couple of things I'd like to see them improve! Plus it may be costly to change there process, they do do things differently so may not be as simple as it sounds on the surface, just guessing here!

    I still like there products and be interesting to see how this cookie crumbles in time
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    CK is an engineering company, not a marketing company. Sure they could've jumped on the bandwagon years ago and designed adaptable hubs and integrated headsets, but they believe that it's an inferior product. You have to respect a company who CAN make lots of extra money by putting something out there people want just for the sake of it, but who doesn't.

    Bit difficult in English, but I'll try and explain the hub conversion story a bit better:

    20mm TA hubs are used by riders who generally ride a lot harder than guys who'll stick to QR hubs. To compensate for this CK believes the hub needs to be stronger as well. Can't rely on only the 20mm to add stiffness. So they feel a std hub designed around "QR use" with a simple 20mm conversion will not be as strong, tough and reliable as a hub designed with "20mm use" in mind. So they prefer to manufacture a dedicated QR hub and a dedicated 20mm hub and maybe one day a dedicated 15mm hub.

    Read in WMB last night that 20mm Maxle Lite will actually be 10g lighter than comparable 15mm.Why go 15mm then?

    Spoke to a shop owner on the weekend who owns 4 bikes with four sets of CK wbuild wheelsets. The one hubset has been going for over 10 years! They have been laced to 3 different rim sets, but the hubs are still going strong! In his opinion, the cheapest hubs you can buy!
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