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    someone please buy some '06 Marz. stuff!

    ... so that you can test them out and give a full report before I buy them.
    someone please buy an '06 Z1FRSL for $587.00; Fork
    And someone please buy a Roco for $400.00; shock
    Those of us too poor [or cheap] to do the R&D thank you!

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    You should trade me the rocco for my DHX coil or air.
    "It's only when you stand over it, you know, when you physically stand over the bike, that then you say 'hey, I don't have much stand over height', you know"-T. Ellsworth

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    Didn't Bikezilla volunteer to be the Roco Guinea pig...err I mean tester?

    Wow...it's light too <TABLE><TBODY><TR><TD>Weight:</TD><TD>0 G </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>



    Renegade - what would you do with that SL?? You already have the best Zocchi never made.
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    sorry, I'm never buying another 32mm stanchion fork...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSINGA

    Renegade - what would you do with that SL?? You already have the best Zocchi never made.
    Perhaps true; I've been experimenting with the ZAM1. I dropped the PSI in the air leg a bit, I use the wide open tst setting for climbing; the fork responds to the slightest ripple, keeping the front end from bouncing around. For "level" and downhill trail riding I put the tst in the next setting, and for jumps I bump it into the middle setting. Yesterday I took the detent pin and spring out of the top cap of the tst cartridge so that I could dial in any tst setting that I want, rather than use just the 5 settings that the detent pin allows. Very cool. I'm working on a under the cap rubber insert that will help keep the tst knob from moving around on it's own. If it works, and your interested, I'll send you one.

    One of the attractions of the SL is the eighteen click RC2 adjustment! But that's why I want someone to buy that fork!

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    Quote Originally Posted by airwreck
    sorry, I'm never buying another 32mm stanchion fork...
    Airwrek are you using the vanilla or the talas 36?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    Perhaps true; I've been experimenting with the ZAM1. I dropped the PSI in the air leg a bit, I use the wide open tst setting for climbing; the fork responds to the slightest ripple, keeping the front end from bouncing around. For "level" and downhill trail riding I put the tst in the next setting, and for jumps I bump it into the middle setting. Yesterday I took the detent pin and spring out of the top cap of the tst cartridge so that I could dial in any tst setting that I want, rather than use just the 5 settings that the detent pin allows. Very cool. I'm working on a under the cap rubber insert that will help keep the tst knob from moving around on it's own. If it works, and your interested, I'll send you one.

    One of the attractions of the SL is the eighteen click RC2 adjustment! But that's why I want someone to buy that fork!
    Very cool mod. Keep me updated.

    The RC2 should be a quick cartridge swap!!
    Nothing to see here.

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    Hopefully it won't be too long before they release the Z1 Light which will promptly go on my 6 Pack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    Perhaps true; I've been experimenting with the ZAM1. I dropped the PSI in the air leg a bit, I use the wide open tst setting for climbing; the fork responds to the slightest ripple, keeping the front end from bouncing around. For "level" and downhill trail riding I put the tst in the next setting, and for jumps I bump it into the middle setting. Yesterday I took the detent pin and spring out of the top cap of the tst cartridge so that I could dial in any tst setting that I want, rather than use just the 5 settings that the detent pin allows. Very cool. I'm working on a under the cap rubber insert that will help keep the tst knob from moving around on it's own. If it works, and your interested, I'll send you one.

    One of the attractions of the SL is the eighteen click RC2 adjustment! But that's why I want someone to buy that fork!

    I've ordered a 5 Spot and a Marz AM1 the 06 version 130mm to 150mm. Is this the version you have, if so how do you find the hight of the fork. I plan to run it at 130 most of the time with ETA for the steep climbs.

    I apreciate you input to a typical noob query

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    Quote Originally Posted by twinkle
    I've ordered a 5 Spot and a Marz AM1 the 06 version 130mm to 150mm. Is this the version you have, if so how do you find the hight of the fork. I plan to run it at 130 most of the time with ETA for the steep climbs.

    I apreciate you input to a typical noob query
    Twinkle, I have an '05 AM1 with Z1 [20mm axle] lowers on it. I do use it in the 130mm mode for trail riding on my RFX, and I like it the height of the fork alot.
    I personally don't like eta because it locks up the fork. For my climbing style, I need the fork to be fully responsive.

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    Airwreck has a Fox 36 Vanilla.
    The more I here about it and how it suit's the Six Pack the happier I am about the one that's on it's way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSINGA
    Didn't Bikezilla volunteer to be the Roco Guinea pig...err I mean tester?
    I was waiting for someone to offer to trade it for a barely used RP3 . I gotta put that puppy up on the classifides.
    Faster is better, even when it's not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    Airwrek are you using the vanilla or the talas 36?
    vanilla rc2.
    got my eye on the 66's, but the options are confusing.
    Ideally would like to be able to switch between 150 and 170.
    Without buying extra carts that leaves the SL.
    170 on the rfx for DH would be cool, but uphills with ETA(66 light) doesn't appeal to me, and dicking around with the air mid ride(SL) is too much hassle.
    150 on the rfx would give me a steeper head angle than I prefer.
    But I am increasingly interested in setting up a preston with a 66x150, and then setting it at 170 for rfx DHing, but the SL version would not be my first choice for DH.

    By the time I make up my mind the new Rock Shox 38 (u-turn?) whatever should be available.

    The van36 on the rfx doesn't give me any grief going up, and it is most excellent on the way down.

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    Ideally, I want a single crown fork that's easily and quickly adjustable from 130mm to 170mm, with excellent compression and rebound adjustments that are also quick and easy, and weighs no more than 5.5 pounds. And is reliable. And black. I'm not asking for much, am I?
    IAirwreck, I know that the talas feature is somewhat suspect, but do the mid-year '06 36 talas forks interest you, with the 120/140/160 talas adjustments?


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    My $.02 on Fox 36's

    Quote Originally Posted by airwreck
    The van36 on the rfx doesn't give me any grief going up, and it is most excellent on the way down.
    I was slated to receive a 36 Vanilla from Larry but I changed my order last minute after riding the 6 Pack in Moab and enjoying the ability to lower the travel on my 36 Talas (one of the only redeeming quality of this fork) for the technical climbing up parts of Amasa Back and Rock Stacker. The Z1 Light with the TAS cartridge was just what the doctor ordered. Granted I love the chassis of the 36's, but Marz just has their ****e figured out with the Z1 lineup. I'm a little reluctant to buy another +$800 first generation fork from Fox only to find out I can't dial it in for my particular weight and riding style.

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    I didn't fully realize how much more I was working to climb with my 150mm Z1 on the RFX untill I made a frankenfork and started climbing in the 130 mode. Boy does it work for me! And for most trail rides, I can descend just fine in the 130 mode, and it doesn't take much to bump it back into 150 mode it things get steep and fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    Ideally, I want a single crown fork that's easily and quickly adjustable from 130mm to 170mm, with excellent compression and rebound adjustments that are also quick and easy, and weighs no more than 5.5 pounds. And is reliable. And black. I'm not asking for much, am I?
    IAirwreck, I know that the talas feature is somewhat suspect, but do the mid-year '06 36 talas forks interest you, with the 120/140/160 talas adjustments?
    06 36 talas does interest me but I would have the to ride one before buying one. The fact that push doesn't tune a 36 talas is also a factor.

    That said, after experiencing the van36, it is now my benchmark, and I am not going to give up the control and suspension performance of the van in hope of easing the uphill burden. It should be noted that I am very fond of the steepest most technical uphills, and in my world the van36 rfx balance is the most perfectest setup I have ever experienced. It's going to be hard to beat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla
    I was waiting for someone to offer to trade it for a barely used RP3 . I gotta put that puppy up on the classifides.
    BZ.... I may be interested, let me know what you want for it via PM. Maybe we can arrange a "shock club" swap....?

    Forks: I wonder if it would be possible to build a fox framkenfork with talus on one side and coil on the other? that could be cool but $$$$.

    I'm looking for a shoot-out between the 66 RC2X and ETA light. My RFX is currently forkless and collecting dust, while the hardtail w/Z1 is getting all the action. It's hard for me to justify ponying up for a new $$$ 6" fork when my 5" Z1 is really prefect for off-season riding. Must... resist... UGI..... gotta buy... diapers.....formula...

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    Quote Originally Posted by airwreck
    06 36 talas does interest me but I would have the to ride one before buying one.
    What we need is a rent-to-own program. If you don't like it you return it after a coupe of weeks. If you like it you keep it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    I didn't fully realize how much more I was working to climb with my 150mm Z1 on the RFX untill I made a frankenfork and started climbing in the 130 mode. Boy does it work for me! And for most trail rides, I can descend just fine in the 130 mode, and it doesn't take much to bump it back into 150 mode it things get steep and fun.
    Works the same on the Pack-0-Lantern.
    Nothing to see here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla
    I was waiting for someone to offer to trade it for a barely used RP3.
    Well, it's not a straight swap, but in the new issue of Decline (bottom of page 22) a guy from Scott USA mentions a ROCO trade-in program:

    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian Montgomery, Scott USA
    Check in with Marzocchi about their ROCO rear shock trade-in program and pick one up at a discount. You will love it.
    Think they'll take an old Romic?

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    06 AM1 check her out its the Shizz ohh yeahhaa gottas love da Marz

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    Thanks for the feedback, I have no doubt that the AM1 is a great fork, I notice that the ID is designed around a 125 to 150 mm fork though, I'm worried that it will chopper the 5 spot. Designed around a 130mm fork and all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrashTheDOG
    Hopefully it won't be too long before they release the Z1 Light which will promptly go on my 6 Pack.
    Crash, universal cycles now has listed the '06 marzocchi line up, including what you're waiting for; Z1 Light , but, of course, you might give Larry at mtn high a call for a better price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    ...you might give Larry at mtn high a call for a better price.
    Thank. I just received an email from Larry and he's got a couple on the way. One which will be promptly boxed up and heading to zip code 84790.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    Yesterday I took the detent pin and spring out of the top cap of the tst cartridge so that I could dial in any tst setting that I want, rather than use just the 5 settings that the detent pin allows. Very cool. I'm working on a under the cap rubber insert that will help keep the tst knob from moving around on it's own.
    The first prototype insert is installed in my TST cap and is ready for testing. A few more are being sent to a few Homers willing to give it a try.

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    Crash, the DRS is in the mail too.
    My video techniques can be found in this thread.

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    Z1 FR Light

    Just took off my ZAM1 and put this on last night. The weight of the two seemed identical, I couldn't tell any difference between the ZAM and new FR Light (my gram scale overloads over 2000g). Although its not mentioned on the website, the FR Light does have TAS. Its basically the exact fork I wanted last season but had to take the Frankenfork approach. This year I can go right out of the box!

    Riding in the street it feels as good as the ZAM but I can tell it needs some break in.

    I was hoping to ride it today but its raining. I may be able to ride it on Monday. I'll report back ...

    Oh, I am selling the ZAM1
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    The first prototype insert is installed in my TST cap and is ready for testing. A few more are being sent to a few Homers willing to give it a try.
    Got mine Saturday. Install set for Tomorrow to make a Wednesday night test ride.

    Thanks Renegade!
    Nothing to see here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superstock

    I was hoping to ride it today but its raining. I may be able to ride it on Monday. I'll report back ...
    Got a chance to ride the new Z1 Light. After a small amount of break in, it started feeling pretty smooth. I wasn't getting full travel so I lower the air pressure from 50 down to 40. This seemed to help the beginning and middle part of the stroke but the end still ramps up nicely. After doing another run, I lowered the pressure again, now down to 30. The beginning of the stroke was even softer but the end of stroke still ramped up about the same. I rolled the compression knob all the way off and adjusted the rebound accordingly. I still couldn't find the bottom of the fork. Although this is limiting me from getting full travel (I was getting 130mm even though the TAS was about halfway inbetween max and min, it is a nice feature. You can run it nice and plush for the high frequency rock and stutter bump situations but can still hit a drop or load it into the face of a jump without it blowing through the travel.

    Granted this is all out of the box. I'm sure the oil level needs to be lowered a bit to prevent ramping up too soon. Then I would think that I would need to add more pressure to the air side to compensate.

    Overall, I was very happy with the fork. I think Marzocchi took notice of the amount of people building ZAMs and created the Z1 Light to fill the gap in the market.

    More later.

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    Trouble in Marzocchi Paradise...

    We weighed 2 different Z1 lights.

    5 pounds 10 oz including axle which was more than we were expecting.

    Aren't the homebrew ZAMs coming in at closer to 5 lbs?
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    wow....seems sort of wrong to attach the word "light" to that fork

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    did you guys notice the DHFR thread, 6pack and 06 66?
    still waiting for him to mount it up, measure it, weigh it, etc.

    New 66 RC2X

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Squeaky Wheel
    Aren't the homebrew ZAMs coming in at closer to 5 lbs?
    Yup, low 5's.

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    I'm holding out for an adjustable travel 66 RC2 preferably in white
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Squeaky Wheel
    I'm holding out for an adjustable travel 66 RC2 preferably in white
    Now Squeak, what would you do with a fork like that? You're not going to start aggro riding, shave your head, and get some tattoos, are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    Now Squeak, what would you do with a fork like that? You're not going to start aggro riding, shave your head, and get some tattoos, are you?
    At the rate I'm losing my hair I'll have the shaved head look soon enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Squeaky Wheel
    We weighed 2 different Z1 lights.

    5 pounds 10 oz including axle which was more than we were expecting.

    Aren't the homebrew ZAMs coming in at closer to 5 lbs?
    When my Z1L shows up, UPS tracking says it should be today, I'm dusting it for prints and if I find yours on my Precious I'm coming after you. Just because you're one of Larry's shop rats doesn't mean you get to handle all the goods before they ship... or does it?

    Any idea what the 05 Z1 FR's weighed in at with the axles? Are we talking serious weight gain here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrashTheDOG
    When my Z1L shows up, UPS tracking says it should be today, I'm dusting it for prints and if I find yours on my Precious I'm coming after you. Just because you're one of Larry's shop rats doesn't mean you get to handle all the goods before they ship... or does it?
    Handle? Heck, I strapped that beyotch up to my Pack and rode the snot out of it. Sorry for the scratches.

    Quote Originally Posted by CrashTheDOG
    Any idea what the 05 Z1 FR's weighed in at with the axles? Are we talking serious weight gain here?
    I haven't weighed one and have no idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrashTheDOG
    When my Z1L shows up, UPS tracking says it should be today, I'm dusting it for prints and if I find yours on my Precious I'm coming after you. Just because you're one of Larry's shop rats doesn't mean you get to handle all the goods before they ship... or does it?
    .......in the future, you may want to inspect your package & refuse purchase if the "freshness seal" has been broken! <img>


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    Quote Originally Posted by CrashTheDOG
    When my Z1L shows up, UPS tracking says it should be today, I'm dusting it for prints and if I find yours on my Precious I'm coming after you. Just because you're one of Larry's shop rats doesn't mean you get to handle all the goods before they ship... or does it?

    Any idea what the 05 Z1 FR's weighed in at with the axles? Are we talking serious weight gain here?
    He snuck it into the bathroom and spent an awfully long time in there, not sure exactly what happened
    I think the 05' Z1 was about the same weight if I remember correctly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ventanarama
    He snuck it into the bathroom and spent an awfully long time in there, not sure exactly what happened
    I think the 05' Z1 was about the same weight if I remember correctly.
    Larry
    hmmmmm....that is odd, isnt the Z1L only up to 150mm? I thought Squeaky typically wouldn't be content with less than 170mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    hmmmmm....that is odd, isnt the Z1L only up to 150mm? I thought Squeaky typically wouldn't be content with less than 170mm
    I'm sure he could handle one of these, both on and off the bike, if you know what I mean.


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    Damn...that's sexy.
    I'm feeling kind of-----------all warm inside.
    I think I gotta go now...............
    Quick, somebody post some Jaybo-isms or a picture of SnotFizzle to cool me off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Squeaky Wheel
    We weighed 2 different Z1 lights.

    5 pounds 10 oz including axle which was more than we were expecting.
    Not sure why this was any surprise at all since I already weighed them at Interbike and posted the results a month ago.

    Quote Originally Posted by CrashTheDOG
    Any idea what the 05 Z1 FR's weighed in at with the axles? Are we talking serious weight gain here?
    The "new" 06 Z1 Light is basically just the old 05 Z1 FR1 with the ETA rod swapped for an ETA/TAS rod and some new graphics, etc. The fork is really no different otherwise and they weigh the same.

    The 36 Van is 5# 9oz. Same thing.
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    [QUOTE=superstock]Got a chance to ride the new Z1 Light. After a small amount of break in, it started feeling pretty smooth. I wasn't getting full travel so I lower the air pressure from 50 down to 40. This seemed to help the beginning and middle part of the stroke but the end still ramps up nicely. After doing another run, I lowered the pressure again, now down to 30. The beginning of the stroke was even softer but the end of stroke still ramped up about the same. I rolled the compression knob all the way off and adjusted the rebound accordingly. I still couldn't find the bottom of the fork. Although this is limiting me from getting full travel (I was getting 130mm even though the TAS was about halfway inbetween max and min, it is a nice feature. You can run it nice and plush for the high frequency rock and stutter bump situations but can still hit a drop or load it into the face of a jump without it blowing through the travel.

    Granted this is all out of the box. I'm sure the oil level needs to be lowered a bit to prevent ramping up too soon. Then I would think that I would need to add more pressure to the air side to compensate.

    Overall, I was very happy with the fork. I think Marzocchi took notice of the amount of people building ZAMs and created the Z1 Light to fill the gap in the market.

    More later.

    S

    [QUOTE]
    Superstock, now that you have some more time in on this fork, can you comment more on the RC2? Are the compression adjustments more or less incrementally equal? Do the compression adjustments affect the speed of compression, or are they similar to the compression adjustments found on a tst equiped fork? [which, to me, is not a speed compression but more a bottom out/lockout sort of compression]. Any other comments would be greatly appreciated, thanks!

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    Mark's rent to own.

    Quote Originally Posted by CrashTheDOG
    What we need is a rent-to-own program. If you don't like it you return it after a coupe of weeks. If you like it you keep it.
    I'll rent to own my VAN 36 as soon as the 66 Light ETA comes in. I want to try them side by side then keep what feels the best. I can also rent to own a; 06 Talas RLC, 05 Pike Team, 06 Nixon Platnium & HOLD ON TO YOUR SEATS a 05 Splice Comp and a 1996 Z1 with the dual disc brake mounts. You guys figure out a scheme and it could work. Heck if everyone who wanted to try a fork paid something, some one would get a deal and others would keep from buying the wrong fork. PM me with ideas of how to break out the rent. I can make it work.
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    06 66 A-C Height

    Quote Originally Posted by airwreck
    vanilla rc2.
    got my eye on the 66's, but the options are confusing.
    Ideally would like to be able to switch between 150 and 170.
    Without buying extra carts that leaves the SL.
    170 on the rfx for DH would be cool, but uphills with ETA(66 light) doesn't appeal to me, and dicking around with the air mid ride(SL) is too much hassle.
    150 on the rfx would give me a steeper head angle than I prefer.
    But I am increasingly interested in setting up a preston with a 66x150, and then setting it at 170 for rfx DHing, but the SL version would not be my first choice for DH.

    By the time I make up my mind the new Rock Shox 38 (u-turn?) whatever should be available.

    The van36 on the rfx doesn't give me any grief going up, and it is most excellent on the way down.
    I just got a look at an 06 66VF (170mm). I took a quick measurement of the a-c height and was pleasantly surprised to see that is was 21.5 inches, the same a-c height of my 05 Z150 FR. I compared it to an 05 66VF (150mm) and found the 06 66 to have a full inch more travel, w/ a full inch LESS a-c height. I think the 06 66 in the 170mm option w/ 20-30% sag will maintain the same geometry a the Z-150 or Fox 36 w/ proper sag set up.

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    More Z1 Light feedback

    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    Superstock, now that you have some more time in on this fork, can you comment more on the RC2? Are the compression adjustments more or less incrementally equal? Do the compression adjustments affect the speed of compression, or are they similar to the compression adjustments found on a tst equiped fork? [which, to me, is not a speed compression but more a bottom out/lockout sort of compression]. Any other comments would be greatly appreciated, thanks!
    Hey Renny,

    I have got a couple more rides on the fork and I do like it more than my ZAM. It seems to be a bit stiffer and it ramps up better at the end of stroke but still has good small bump compliance. The Z1 Light has adjustable low speed compression, which is what I believe the TST is. When you crank up the Z1L's compression, it feels like TST but not nearly as exagerated. The TST would slow the fork down so much that I rarely used anything past the second click. I only used the deeper TST adjustments when climbing wasn't so steep that I needed the ETA, but wanted the anti-bob damping that you would get from 3 or 4 clicks of TST. Right now, I am running only one or two clicks of Z1L compression damping. If I run too many clicks of compression, then it really slows down the fork (both compression and rebound) and makes it feel like the beginning range of the TST adjustment. I personally like my forks to be on the compliant side so they respond well in high frequency situations, so I don't run a lot of rebound or high speed compression.

    So there are 11 clicks on the Z1L compression knob, and I would equate full in to be like 2 1/2 clicks of TST. So for me, think this is much more usuable than the TST system. The adjustments are much more granular.

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    New 66 Light ETA & All Mountain 1 going on today!

    I got the 06 All Mountain 1 for the Spot and the 66 Light ETA for the Nomad. I'm going to put them on tonight and I will post pics asap.

    While I'm at it does anyone know what the two metal disks/washers that came with both forks are for.
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