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    Show 'n Tell....the Highlite.

    some background info.

    I've had a few years on a RFX, tried some different forks and rockers, and gotten a good idea what I think works for me. When I first started riding my RFX it felt tiny under me, but as I put more time on it, either I shrunk, it grew, or my riding style changed.

    Late last year I started to plan on replacing the old RFX with a fresh one, I followed the progress of the Highline, but didn't give it much consideration. Eventually I found myself analyzing the geo of the HL, the things I would like for bike fit, and where my riding is headed. I wouldn't say I was looking for more travel, lower leverage ratio, stuff like that, just a slightly smaller frame, with the magic geometry of my latest RFX incarnation.

    Enough trying to explain my reasoning and we can discuss riding style/genre/philosophy if anyone wants, for now heres the stats.

    Small Highline, 8.5 x 2.5 DHX Air rear shock, Van 36 fork.

    Rider, 5 feet, 4.375 inches tall. Inseam 29.825 inches. weight 145 pounds. My backpack never weighs less than 15 pounds, sometimes I ride(jump) without it, sometimes I'll carry a chainsaw. I guess we can talk about them air shocks later...

    My Highlite geo is nearly identical to my old RFX (type a rockers, van36, etc.).
    Head tube angle 67 degrees, seat tube angle measured on the seat post 72, the HL may be a hair steeper ST, BB height a hair over 14 inches (the HL is slightly higher than the RFX).
    Wheelbase is a quarter inch longer, 43 3/4 for the HL.
    HL chainstay is 17 3/8.
    Top tube, HL = 22, RFX 22.2
    my cockpit measurement is exactly the same.

    Any questions, ask away.

    At this point all I can say is it's perfect.
    Bigger rear shock, bigger forks, bigger launches, it's all in the plan for future upgrades. Super D, and DH racing will hopefully be in my future also.





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    While some (those trying to work) may be grateful for your BLAND post, others of us have been waiting for a RIDE REPORT with cool pictures.

    Dang, how did you ever get past the Moderator police???



    Edit - this time when I brought it up the pix are showing... OK, OK so the pix are kind of OK, but no ride report???
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    So is a highlite a version of the highline with a dhx-a on it?
    Airwreck, hows does it pedal and climb compared to your RFX?
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    Quote Originally Posted by airwreck
    ...blah blah blah spec & nasalgic reflection deleted...
    At this point all I can say is it's perfect.
    Bigger rear shock, bigger forks, bigger launches, it's all in the plan for future upgrades. Super D, and DH racing will hopefully be in my future also.
    That's IT? This is the review we've all been hitting the refresh button for?
    I'm calling your boss, you clearly need a few days off.
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    I really need to quit opening these Highline posts

    What was your total build weight?
    Nothing to see here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmac
    While some (those trying to work) may be grateful for your BLAND post, others of us have been waiting for a RIDE REPORT with cool pictures.

    Dang, how did you ever get past the Moderator police???

    yea, I'm trying to work , and do this post at the same time...

    Ride report.
    So far, one ride. Two miles and 1,000+ feet of steep techy uphill, two miles and 1,000+ feet of ballz out gnarled flowing DH, all time fastest run, a whole new level of speed and control. Continued down another 2,000+ feet of super steeps single track pitches laced with assorted hips, drops and jumps, all minor/not highline worthy proportions, (I'm injured, and I've been constantly reinjuring myself the past few weeks ).

    I love it. thats LOVE. It's perfect. I'm looking forward to my hitting my usual favorite launch trail but it's a quagmire.

    Photos haven't gone as hoped, there maybe a few good ones on film, so we're waiting for processing...

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    How much downtube/crown clearance do you have with the 36?

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    Quote Originally Posted by airwreck
    ...blah blah blah spec & nasalgic reflection deleted...
    At this point all I can say is it's perfect.
    Bigger rear shock, bigger forks, bigger launches, it's all in the plan for future upgrades. Super D, and DH racing will hopefully be in my future also.
    It looks like work wasn't the only productivity of Air's that has been negatively impacted once Air start obsessing on the HL. Egads man, stand up and give a proper accounting for yourself.

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    Sooooooooo, Airwreck, does all that mean that it climbs as well or better than your RFX?

    How much air pressure do you have in the main chamber of the DHX-A?

    Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by airwreck
    yea, I'm trying to work , and do this post at the same time...

    Ride report.
    Downside to being on the cutting edge of Homerdom is that you have to answer all kinds of techy questions and put up with all kinds of cr@p form the blunt edge...

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    Nice build.

    I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on its pedaling performance. I was blown away by the feel of my HL on its first day. Watching others sprint my bike I really didnt see it moving much under padal load. I also felt the bike to be very livley yet balanced when I was jumping it.

    I need a couple more rides on mine before I can give a quality review, since im still dialing in the shock,. and just adjusting to the new bike... not to mention knocking the rust off my DH skills.

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    Looks hot. I would like to know the final weight on that build. If it pedals like Airwreck makes it sound it does then weight may be the only factor keeping the HL from being a sweet 8" all mountain/freeride machine. Of course, weight is relative. What is heavy for me is not necessarily heavy for others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyN
    How much downtube/crown clearance do you have with the 36?
    for a headset I'm running the e-13 reducers with the FSA headset bearings.
    The super low stack height is a great smurf feature, really lets me tune the bar height.
    I'm leaning towards getting a 66sl, or I may wait it out for the totem, or try the 66 while I wait, anyone want to buy my van36?
    I think the head tube angle with the van36 is too steep for the super steeps.
    And, the van36 definatly felt overwhelmed by the speeds and hits that the highline is capable of.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SSINGA
    I really need to quit opening these Highline posts

    What was your total build weight?

    c'mon! just get one... we can start riding off of roofs to justify the extra suspension....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    So is a highlite a version of the highline with a dhx-a on it?
    Airwreck, hows does it pedal and climb compared to your RFX?
    Remember people, I am not using the stock shock i2i and stroke, yet.

    Pedals and climbs equally well (maybe better, but...), also remember, this is my first air shock, and my previous coil shock was questionable performance wise. That said, first impressions of the dhx-a is positive, but I'm a lite weight. I'll get to the shock setup details in a bit.

    build weight is 37lbs. I'll detail my spec soon, transfered most of my RFX parts over.

    like oly, quality ride review is a ways off, with the way I scrutinize my specs I had tons of confidence going into this that it would be as close to perfect as I could get.

    I got lots more to talk about...

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    How much travel does it have with the shorter eye to eye shock? I am assuming there is no frame/frame contact.

    Oly, how does it ride compared to a DHR?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cave dweller
    Oly, how does it ride compared to a DHR?
    Thats a pretty hard one to answer at this point. They are different styles of bike for sure, yet I didnt feel like I had jumped on a totally different ride. From the solid 2 days I do have on the bike, I can say for my ability and level of picky-ness the ride experience wasnt that different than my DHR, except that when it came to climb time, and any place I had to work the bike, it was easier on the HL... Now, my DHR had Doubletrack wheels and 2.7 DH tires, and the HL now smaller rims, 2.5 K tires and is overall lighter at the frame than the DHR. That alone will have a great impact on how a bike feels when pedaling or reacting in slow speed situations.

    I feel the suspension also rides firmer than the DHR did, but then I also recently have been wondering if my DHR last year wasnt undersprung for my weight?, its been since October since I was last on the big bike...but the last few trips to whistler, I felt that I was battling the bike when compressing on the face of jumps. I didnt experience this the day I rode a place with some jumps on the HL. When sprinting or pedaling hard the HL really doesnt move much, however when coasting down a rough fire road I could clearly see the link moving when looking down.

    Most all of our good DH in Washington is under lots of snow, or is just simply closed (illegal). Im really looking forward to April as a time when we can get out to the big riding, and to the shore to really get the bike into its element to get better feedback.

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    Geez Oly; nice little love fest you started over at ridemonkey.
    " Its from MTBR, where people ride XC bikes like DH bikes, and DH bikes like XC bikes."
    http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=147445
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    Quote Originally Posted by airwreck
    for a headset I'm running the e-13 reducers with the FSA headset bearings.
    The super low stack height is a great smurf feature, really lets me tune the bar height.
    I'm leaning towards getting a 66sl, or I may wait it out for the totem, or try the 66 while I wait, anyone want to buy my van36?
    I think the head tube angle with the van36 is too steep for the super steeps.
    And, the van36 definatly felt overwhelmed by the speeds and hits that the highline is capable of.
    Thanks.

    Sure is a pretty bike, congrats!

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    Dude, SWEET ride!!!!! That matte black is awesome. The first ninja highline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cave dweller
    How much travel does it have with the shorter eye to eye shock? I am assuming there is no frame/frame contact.

    Oly, how does it ride compared to a DHR?
    I think the travel is 7" with the 8.5 x 2.5, sorry i'm starting to get cornfused.

    Clearance is more than adequate, no worries about anything hitting at all. I cycled the shock with no air first thing.

    DHX-A settings. I live at sea level but often ride at 7,000 feet. Sundays ride I ran 170ish, this was checked at 7,000 ft. Last night I checked it in the garage at sea level and it was 140. Boost chamber when I checked last night was 70, I had set it at the minimum on Saturday, 75psi, and that's the only times I've checked it. All those knobs are at the half way point. I played with the PP knob during the ride and ran my entire DH at mid point. I'm pushing the o-ring to the end of the shaft, and off on a couple drops. I'm very pleased so far and looking forward to all the tuning possibilities. I will get a coil 8.5 x 2.5 also.

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    Thats oly and airwreck.

    Airwreck, how much clearance was there at maximum compression? I was thinking if i ever got a highline i would put on a 2.5 inch avy with the shortest eye to eye possible to slacken and lower it (you can do that with an avy, a 0.125 inch eye reduction equates to aprox 0.4inch bb drop), along with a 7inch DC, something like a 170mm 888 RC2X.

    Would make it a nice, low, resonably slack DH bike. Most of the time i think 8.5 inches of travel is too much for a DH bike, 7.5 is probably more then enough in the rear and improves pedalling, lowers bottom bracket etc.

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    sweet cable routing through the shock mount, but with the small frame and air shock it is too tight to fit everything through there. Coil should be fine, and dhx air on the m and l's should be fine also.

    It must be a pain in the but to fit all the parts inside of a small frame on big travel bikes.
    Good work DT and crew making it work.



    I've set the front deraileur as high as possible, getting some chain rub when in small front and about half way down in the rear cluster, don't know if you'll be able to see in the photo but the cage did hit the rear deraileur cable housing once on bottom out and nicked the housing. Being in the middle ring should take care of that.


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    [QUOTE=airwreck]I think the travel is 7" with the 8.5 x 2.5, sorry i'm starting to get cornfused.[QUOTE]


    You should have 7.27" of rear wheel travel with an 8.5" i2i / 2.5"stroke shock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cave dweller
    Thats oly and airwreck.

    Airwreck, how much clearance was there at maximum compression? I was thinking if i ever got a highline i would put on a 2.5 inch avy with the shortest eye to eye possible to slacken and lower it (you can do that with an avy, a 0.125 inch eye reduction equates to aprox 0.4inch bb drop), along with a 7inch DC, something like a 170mm 888 RC2X.

    Would make it a nice, low, resonably slack DH bike. Most of the time i think 8.5 inches of travel is too much for a DH bike, 7.5 is probably more then enough in the rear and improves pedalling, lowers bottom bracket etc.
    Lots of clearance, I can take some photos and measurments for you.

    IMO smurfs will probably be faster with a lower BB/COG, versus more travel, so I'm thinking along with you there. I'm looking forward to all the tweaks I can do with a couple different rear shocks and a fork like the 40 with adjustable travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by airwreck
    Lots of clearance, I can take some photos and measurments for you.
    If you feel so inclined that would be much appreciated No rush though, not looking at getting one for a few months yet.

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    cable guide

    It looks like you missed the cable guide that is on top of the chainstay about 1.5" behind the bolt. If the cable stays on top of the chainstay it will not be hit by the deraileur cage. Of course we may have missed the cable stop, if that is the case contact Greg!!
    You should not have to run the deraileur higher than a triple, unless the DRS demands it but I cannot imagine why that would be.

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    His bike has the guide in question unless the lagomorph chewed it off.



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    [QUOTE=AndyN][QUOTE=airwreck]I think the travel is 7" with the 8.5 x 2.5, sorry i'm starting to get cornfused.


    You should have 7.27" of rear wheel travel with an 8.5" i2i / 2.5"stroke shock.
    That puts the leverage ratio at 2.9 to one. I'd think that with the DHXair, you'd blow thru the travel pretty quickly if you weighed over 180. Beautiful looking bike airwreck! Did she huck on the first date? If so, pics? Video?

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    Thanks for the numbers.

    Did you have the same bigass panaracers on your RFX when you measured your BB height? The fact that you said it was lower than you HL config got me wondering.


    Also......talking about switching forks to get rid of the steep. What spring are you using in your 36? Mine started diving like a beyotch after the spring got broken in and I fixed it with one of the heavier ones that came with the fork. Something to keep in mind too, the 66 forks are only 10mm higher unsagged, you'd actually get this (or more) by ditching the e.13 cups on the bottom of your headtube and putting in one of the cane creek or FSA non flush reducing headsets. I'm also curious about what you mean when you said your fork couldn't "keep up". Once mine got broken in and I got the settings dialed, it's been as solid as my 888 on my dh bike....albeit less travel and the associated differences in that respect.

    Thanks for the post. I want to ride that thing.
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    okay gonz, we're tired of waiting for you...

    Quote Originally Posted by gonzostrike
    I don't get it. Does the thought of "the lightest Highline around" give you a woody?

    Why would you want to make a 37-lb 7"/7" bike? Seems to me there's no point in 7" of travel if your goal is lightness... and please, don't bring the 66SL into this... I don't wanna piss Renegade off!

    What conditions warrant 7" travel at an uberlight weight? What 7" travel bike at 37lbs will hold up to repeated banging using the full 7" of travel?

    Nerds, pocket protector geeks, weight weenies, etc. rejoice. Your new hero is airwreck. He's making a useless Highline out of a perfectly decent Highline frame. Congrats airwreck for defying logic and sense.

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    "and please, don't bring the 66SL into this... I don't wanna piss Renegade off!"

    He he he, nope, I'm all worn out after my experience with the neanderthals over at the other website. Funny how some of them post here in the turner forum, are all buddy-buddy with you here, then over there they tear you up and talk smack about a guy. Must be a peer pressure thing. Funny having a fifteen year old kid telling a 49 year old man to grow up. Ahhhhh, the internet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    Ahhhhh, the internet.
    You set yourself up!!! Your point of disrespect may be valid but there were too many counter points to shoot it down. Stand-up guys take the first shots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmac
    You set yourself up!!! .
    I was in the mood to pick a fight I guess. I have to get out occasionally and stretch my legs. You old farts here in the turner forum are just a bunch of pu$$ies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    I was in the mood to pick a fight I guess. I have to get out occasionally and stretch my legs. You old farts here in the turner forum are just a bunch of pu$$ies.
    It's only OK if you don't have to crawl away beaten and bruised with tail between legs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    Geez Oly; nice little love fest you started over at ridemonkey.
    " Its from MTBR, where people ride XC bikes like DH bikes, and DH bikes like XC bikes."
    http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=147445
    Ah... so I touched a sensitive nerve there???

    Either way that thread is 4 pages long so again any publicity on the highline is good right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oly
    Ah... so I touched a sensitive nerve there???

    Either way that thread is 4 pages long so again any publicity on the highline is good right?
    No, not really for me. I justify my choice of bike by saying I only have one bike, so essentially, both statements are true, and false, for me. I posted that line because I interpret your actions as being two-faced, but mabey that's just me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by airwreck
    sweet cable routing through the shock mount, but with the small frame and air shock it is too tight to fit everything through there. Coil should be fine, and dhx air on the m and l's should be fine also.

    It must be a pain in the but to fit all the parts inside of a small frame on big travel bikes.
    Good work DT and crew making it work.

    With the DHX-C and the Medium frame all my cables were able to run through the shock mount.


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    At this point all I can say is it's perfect."
    Bigger rear shock, bigger forks, bigger launches, it's all in the plan for future upgrades. Super D, and DH racing will hopefully be in my future also."

    Thats a great report card Eric, sweet write up! It sounds and looks like you are going bigger. I think its time to put the smurfs to work-building!

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    where was I?
    still waiting for someone to recognize the origins of my gonzo qoute...

    Thanks DT, you are correct, I missed that zip tie, that explains it.
    Still got to get my guide set up, and new rear brake hose, and...

    El Chingon, huck yes, video and photos, of me? yawn. got some of shaheeb on his mal, don't ask about his video though, all time, oops, .

    woo, I've got some thoughts and ideas about forks and headsets. further analysis is coming.

    How come Oly can generate so much excitement but my thread is so benign?

    As always more to come, just need to work through some time management issues first...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kidwoo
    Thanks for the numbers.

    Did you have the same bigass panaracers on your RFX when you measured your BB height? The fact that you said it was lower than you HL config got me wondering.


    Also......talking about switching forks to get rid of the steep. What spring are you using in your 36? Mine started diving like a beyotch after the spring got broken in and I fixed it with one of the heavier ones that came with the fork. Something to keep in mind too, the 66 forks are only 10mm higher unsagged, you'd actually get this (or more) by ditching the e.13 cups on the bottom of your headtube and putting in one of the cane creek or FSA non flush reducing headsets. I'm also curious about what you mean when you said your fork couldn't "keep up". Once mine got broken in and I got the settings dialed, it's been as solid as my 888 on my dh bike....albeit less travel and the associated differences in that respect.

    Thanks for the post. I want to ride that thing.
    All very good questions kidwoo.

    I'm sure airwreck would be happy to answer them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by airwreck
    where was I?
    still waiting for someone to recognize the origins of my gonzo qoute...
    Airwreck, is that all from one post, or from multiple posts? I don't recognize it, even with the reference to me, the instigator.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    Airwreck, is that all from one post, or from multiple posts? I don't recognize it, even with the reference to me, the instigator.
    I want to know where it's from.........

    So I can dig up the thread and insult him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    Airwreck, is that all from one post, or from multiple posts? I don't recognize it, even with the reference to me, the instigator.
    some clues, I did some creative editing, 5's to 7's is one of them...
    replace pete with rene is another.

    Quote Originally Posted by kidwoo
    All very good questions kidwoo.

    I'm sure airwreck would be happy to answer them.
    must focus on work ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by airwreck
    replace pete with rene is another.



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    Wow, I must have missed that thread! I don't know whether I should be honored or insulted. Was that in the turner forum? My curiousity is piqued!
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    pew, my clown crap stinks .
    sigh, I was really hoping I'd finally get to use this...
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    Airwreck you certainly did exercise some editing skills. No wonder no one recognized the Gonzo quote. Here's the original:

    I don't get it. Does the thought of "the lightest 5-Spot around" give you a woody?

    Why would you want to make a 25-lb 5"/5" bike? Seems to me there's no point in 5" of travel if your goal is lightness... and please, don't bring the Maverick into this... I don't wanna piss Pete off!

    What conditions warrant 5" travel at an uberlight weight? What 5" travel bike at 25lbs will hold up to repeated banging using the full 5" of travel?

    Nerds, pocket protector geeks, weight weenies, etc. rejoice. Your new hero is Davide. He's making a useless 5-Spot out of a perfectly decent 5-Spot frame. Congrats Davide for defying logic and sense.
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    I really like what you have done to the new ride wreck, I had a very simular bike last summer with a Uzzi VPX and a single crown fork. Very fun to ride if a few extra pounds dont mean anything. Im guessing you can even make it lighter if you want to spend more money. Ive thought hard about doing the exact thing with a Highline for my ski-lift bike, but I just cant get that new Knolly out of my mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drumstix
    I really like what you have done to the new ride wreck, I had a very simular bike last summer with a Uzzi VPX and a single crown fork. Very fun to ride if a few extra pounds dont mean anything. Im guessing you can even make it lighter if you want to spend more money. Ive thought hard about doing the exact thing with a Highline for my ski-lift bike, but I just cant get that new Knolly out of my mind.
    Go ahead and write out a check for each one.

    Put them side by side.

    Might help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drumstix
    I just cant get that new Knolly out of my mind.
    Warning: Thread Hijack!
    Drumstix, I've been in e-mail contact with Noel Buckley of Knolly bikes. He sent me pdf file of a size/geometry chart for the V-tach and Delerium T. I don't know how to post it here, if someone can tell me how, that would be swell. Otherwisw, I can forward it to you via e-mail, if you're interested.
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    davides old post makes my brain hurt. what a train wreck of a bike.
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    Here's the geometry/sizing chart for the knolly v-tach and delerium, in case anyone is interested. Courtesy of Noel Buckley and my I.T. guy, SSINGA!

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    More hijacking : I asked Noel about the seat tube angle on this bike. One of the things that makes the RFX work for me is the steep seat tube angle, I'm positioned well for climbing with my seatpost fully extended. The delerium has that real shallow, funky seat tube. Included is a drawing he also sent me, and this explanation for Noel:

    "I understand your concerns with respect to the seat tube positioning of the Delirium T frame. I’ve included both a picture of a computer model of the frame which shows the actual seat tube vs. the theoretical seat tube (the frame is shown with the Fox DHX 5.0 air shock and a Fox 36 fork), as well as a geometry / specification PDF file. As you’ll see in the computer image, the theoretical and actual seat tubes basically intersect around your inseam length, so you shouldn’t feel too far rear ward on the frame (you’re probably just slightly ahead by about 1mm actually). The computer model image shows the intersection point for a 34” inseam and at 33”, yours will be slightly lower."


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    dam internet terrorists hijacking my thread .
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    here's a look at the clearance on my setup.


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    So I see that Shaheeb went with the DHX-A; I guess it's working out okay?
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    Yo Airwreck, you running a "short travel" DHX for the roadie days or something???

    The crap on the tires looks brutal, some of that good ol' volcanic mud, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    So I see that Shaheeb went with the DHX-A; I guess it's working out okay?
    yes air, working okay, no.
    I think he is running 300lbs in each chamber , I'm going to put my pump on there and see whats up. Most likely it's due to crazy leverage, i.e. all those different shock mount, travel option settings on the GM combined with too long of shock .

    GM HL shootout this weekend.

    Chris, not the volcanic mud, that stuff is pure clay, the only thing that cleans it off is the volcanic mud. I actually considered yesterdays ride "dry".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    Warning: Thread Hijack!
    Drumstix, I've been in e-mail contact with Noel Buckley of Knolly bikes. He sent me pdf file of a size/geometry chart for the V-tach and Delerium T. I don't know how to post it here, if someone can tell me how, that would be swell. Otherwisw, I can forward it to you via e-mail, if you're interested.


    Thanks bro! Ive been waiting for sometime to come up about this frame. Couldnt be happier!
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    airwreck, nice ride. i'll take that 36 from you for my rfx. thinking about the hl for a bigger bike though. sounds like yer happy, and she pedals as well as the rfx. no complaints then.
    ps. don't worry renegade i will put a real fork on mine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by airwreck
    here's a look at the clearance on my setup.
    Thanks for the pic.

    Looks a bit tight though, if you put a shorter eye to eye shock on the tire would probably rub the seat post.

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    Small Highline, 8.5 x 2.5 DHX Air rear shock, Van 36 fork.

    Hello airwreck.

    I really like what you did to your Highline or your "Highlite" as you call it. I am getting my Highline real soon. A Medium raw color one. I want to do what you did... you know, slapping on an 8.5 X 2.5... I just want some questions answered and your input..


    1) By putting on an 8.5 X 2.5 rear shock like the DHX-Air or if I can find a DHX-Coil, did this reduce the travel to 7.25" in the rear? If so, this would be a perfect match to a Marz 66RC2 or the 66SL...
    2) Did the Bottom Bracket height get any lower? what is the bottom bracket height now?

    Thanks for the info...

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    okay an action shot!



    I'm trying, I just can't seem to perform with the jersey on.



    I've been overanalyzing my bar height, do they look too high?
    With a taller fork am I going to be sporting the ape hanger look?
    Should I be considering lower rise bars, flush headset, etc. to bring it down?
    who would want to buy my old used forks with a 6" steerer tube?

    I'm having a blast, just wondering if I could improve my ability to pull up (jumping, wheely drops) with a lower bar height...

    I've been doing some serious technical uphill pedaling lately and it's been impressive. That uphill pedaling has been leading to some nice fast extra gnarly downhill. Around here the harder you work to get to stuff the better it is, and safer from the haters...

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    Quote Originally Posted by airwreck
    I just can't seem to perform with the jersey on.
    Aaaahhh... but it's tres chic, mon ami
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    Quote Originally Posted by airwreck
    I've been overanalyzing my bar height, do they look too high?
    With a taller fork am I going to be sporting the ape hanger look?
    Should I be considering lower rise bars, flush headset, etc. to bring it down?
    who would want to buy my old used forks with a 6" steerer tube?

    I'm having a blast, just wondering if I could improve my ability to pull up (jumping, wheely drops) with a lower bar height...
    Nice, I'm jealous!

    A quick experiment is to flip the stem, remove any spacers, and see how that feels. I tend to run my bars pretty low for the reasons you stated. Even kinky roller drops feel weird to me with really high bars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by airwreck
    okay an action shot!


    I've been overanalyzing my bar height, do they look too high?
    With a taller fork am I going to be sporting the ape hanger look?
    Should I be considering lower rise bars, flush headset, etc. to bring it down?
    who would want to buy my old used forks with a 6" steerer tube?
    Airwreck,

    Nice pics. That looks like a fun area for sure. Based on the amount of spacers you currently have (what I can see from the pic at least), I wouldn't cut any more of your steerer tube down. As you say, no one's going to want to buy a fork down the road with a short steerer tube. For resale, I always leave mine a bit longer even if that means I run a spacer on top of my stem.

    Couple of thoughts.
    Are those bars 2" rise? If so, try something with say 1.5". Also, shift a couple of your spacers on top of your stem just to see how that affects the bar height on a ride or two. Lastly, you could use a stem with less rise. I can't tell from the pic, but yours looks like it might be a 10 degree rise (or more?).

    As Danno said, you could flip the stem too just to see how that feels and that'll be an indicator of whether you should consider a different stem.

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    What is the original dimension of the rear shock on this bike please ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MBS
    What is the original dimension of the rear shock on this bike please ?
    8.75 X 2.75

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    Quote Originally Posted by emrs0414
    Small Highline, 8.5 x 2.5 DHX Air rear shock, Van 36 fork.

    Hello airwreck.

    I really like what you did to your Highline or your "Highlite" as you call it. I am getting my Highline real soon. A Medium raw color one. I want to do what you did... you know, slapping on an 8.5 X 2.5... I just want some questions answered and your input..


    1) By putting on an 8.5 X 2.5 rear shock like the DHX-Air or if I can find a DHX-Coil, did this reduce the travel to 7.25" in the rear? If so, this would be a perfect match to a Marz 66RC2 or the 66SL...
    2) Did the Bottom Bracket height get any lower? what is the bottom bracket height now?

    Thanks for the info...
    Yeah, I'm curious about this too. On Oly's thread on the Downhill - Freeride board a few weeks ago I was guessing it would have about a 14.25" BB height and about 66.5 deg with the 66 and maybe 67 deg with the Van 36. How close were the guesses?

    I think the 7 & 7 HL might be a lot of fun. Kind of a burly RFX with a little more travel.

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    Killer action shots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by airwreck
    okay an action shot!
    Boy, that sure does bring back memories of riding in Hawaii (15 years or so ago). Of course, I don't remember ever getting done without the bike being muddy .

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    Quote Originally Posted by oly
    Killer action shots.
    more here
    XC action!

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    oh yea, I was supposed to answer questions....

    emrs and danno, pretty much right on with the numbers, granted these are my measurements and should not be considered official in anyway. With the 7.5x2.5 one could expect a BB height of approx. 14.25 inches, that's with 2.5 tires. The Van36 head tube angle is approx. 67 degrees.

    kidwoo, I'm running the same tires that I ran on my RFX, my measurements, again not official, had the BB height on the RFX just a hair over 14". I was running older rockers on a newer small frame so that may be why my numbers are off the norm.

    Speaking of tires, the speeds I'm carrying on this bike are not very compatible with "light" tires, my endless quest for the perfect tire continues.

    Forks, same thing, the endless quest continues. The Van36 is a fun setup but I am yearning to experience the ride with the intended angles. It would be cool to try 1.5 also but lack of a flush headset throws off my lower bar height plan. I'm pretty sure I'll have to give a 66 a try until the Totem becomes available. Wondering if the difference in height will actually be noticable and if I should SL it so I can drop it down to 36 height if I feel the need. I'm thinking alot about the two fork quiver and the 40 looks to be the only real DC option since I would want some flexibility for ride height/travel. The 36 and 40 would be a good combo but ideal would be adjustable travel for both, and the SC needs to be about an inch taller than the 36. A cheap 05 170 66 would also be an option but it wouldn't work as my only fork.

    No matter what, I'm not leaving spacers stacked on top of my stem, so when ever the perfect single crown fork appears I will have to chop it and suck up the deprectiation.

    Looking for low rise DH bars, any ideas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by airwreck
    oh yea, I was supposed to answer questions....

    emrs and danno, pretty much right on with the numbers, granted these are my measurements and should not be considered official in anyway. With the 7.5x2.5 one could expect a BB height of approx. 14.25 inches, that's with 2.5 tires. The Van36 head tube angle is approx. 67 degrees.

    kidwoo, I'm running the same tires that I ran on my RFX, my measurements, again not official, had the BB height on the RFX just a hair over 14". I was running older rockers on a newer small frame so that may be why my numbers are off the norm.

    Speaking of tires, the speeds I'm carrying on this bike are not very compatible with "light" tires, my endless quest for the perfect tire continues.

    Forks, same thing, the endless quest continues. The Van36 is a fun setup but I am yearning to experience the ride with the intended angles. It would be cool to try 1.5 also but lack of a flush headset throws off my lower bar height plan. I'm pretty sure I'll have to give a 66 a try until the Totem becomes available. Wondering if the difference in height will actually be noticable and if I should SL it so I can drop it down to 36 height if I feel the need. I'm thinking alot about the two fork quiver and the 40 looks to be the only real DC option since I would want some flexibility for ride height/travel. The 36 and 40 would be a good combo but ideal would be adjustable travel for both, and the SC needs to be about an inch taller than the 36. A cheap 05 170 66 would also be an option but it wouldn't work as my only fork.

    No matter what, I'm not leaving spacers stacked on top of my stem, so when ever the perfect single crown fork appears I will have to chop it and suck up the deprectiation.

    Looking for low rise DH bars, any ideas?
    Thanks for the numbers!

    I always leave a 1/2" or so of spacers on top of my stem - good place to hang my camelback

    Edit: In retrospect I see that I could have found the numbers if I just went back and read your first post on the thread
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    Easton makes a good variety of bars. I've got a low rise on my dh bike. It's almost a flat bar.

    Whatever you do do NOT get an 05 170mm 66. Those things are taller than the 888s with the old, high stock crowns. I had a 150mm version and not only was it a boat anchor, it put my uzzi higher and slacker than my DHR.

    And just buy some downhill tires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    There is a special place in Hell for those responsible for the Windoze Media format.
    I know, I must go cleanse myself now.
    I'm trying to get a qt stream working but I guess I need to do some more reading.
    (anybody know how to get helix universal to work with QT?)

    I think I've just got it in the wrong directory...

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    Hey airwreck check the syncros FBI headset. Stack height is 4.5mm and it reduces from 1.5 to 1-1/8. May work well with your 66 idea.

    And I'm looking at some new treads now for the rfx:
    wtb weirwolf 2.55lt team FR. 800 grams inner peace pinch flat protection, dual compound rubber, etc

    Schwalbe Big betty 2.4 HD 880g also has pinchflat protection and soft compund rubber.

    for my uses on the highline it's big ass 2.5 and 2.7 dh tires weighing 1300-1500g each.

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    Quote Originally Posted by airwreck
    Looking for low rise DH bars, any ideas?
    I use an easton ea70 1 inch rise full width bars and i love them, nice and low and comfy as well. Highly recommend them.

    Can you do me a favour, an avalanche chubbie will not fit the frame the way the DHX is with res to the front and facing upwards. If you ever decompress your rear shock again could you get a measurement and see if the avy would fit the other way around, with the canister on the back and upside down?

    Thanks


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    thanks, Easton has it covered.
    my dh tires are 2.5 and 2.35 mobsters with lots of broken knobs, I'm pretty sure I'll start running the 2.7 and 2.5 minions. The smaller rear should help me get the head angle slacker.

    Forks, how's that Travis .
    Looking forward to seeing your bike built up ebx .

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    Quote Originally Posted by airwreck
    Forks, how's that Travis .
    Looking forward to seeing your bike built up ebx .
    Airwreck, here you go.
    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...66#post1689366

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    Quote Originally Posted by oly
    With the DHX-C and the Medium frame all my cables were able to run through the shock mount.


    Just noticed that your shock mount IS different. On my small the mount seems to position the shock bolt closer to the downtube, making it a very tight squeeze to get the cables in there. I ran them with the shock removed and then had a friend push down on the shock to smush the cables so I could get the bolt back through. Granted the bike shop only had some really fat shifter housing for some reason. With shimano sis housing it probably would have fit better.
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    Thanks for posting yours with the coil shane.
    I thought my tight fit might be related primarily to my DHX-A.
    My cable housings are the smallest diameter and it's really only the middle route that's tight.
    This weekend I should get around to updating my rear brake line to a goodridge and stuffing everything in there. The left/brake line side route does appear to have more clearance than the other two.

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    Oly's frame might be lighter too thanks to that relieved area below the shock bolt. Though it could be offset by the extra material to make the mount taller. I'm working on a graph to clarify...
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    Can you make it a pie chart?

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    Quote Originally Posted by airwreck
    And, the van36 definatly felt overwhelmed by the speeds and hits that the highline is capable of.
    I think you expreienced a placebo effect here. I've got about 45-50 hrs on my VAN 36 and that's included high speed techie DH runs. the VAN 36 isn't a weak link. something odd about your setup, I think. or the fork tuning. or the fork/rear shok balance. or the front tire. or the way you were riding on that particular day. something other than the VAN 36's abilities, I mean.

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    sorry airwreck if have got my mail, is there a reason you can't put the rear shock on the other way round, piggy back facing down near the bottom bracket? that look's like it would give enough clearnce for the gear cables to pass on through underneath the shock then. just a thought.

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