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    Should this have happened to my Pack?

    Well I'm a bit taken a back by what happened while riding this afternoon.

    I was just in the garage diagnosing a noise/change in the way my Pack was rolling along on my ride earlier. Well come to find out the bolt that is on the drive side, that connects the rear to the front looks as though it has either broken or has come loose enough to rub on my little ring. I wasn't able to see it on the ride so I thought I banged the rear derailleur a bit and rode back at an even pace. Now that I have seen it I can see what the problem was. Should those come loose? I have never dealt with this before and am hoping to get some feedback.
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    Do you get this confused when every other bolt on your bike gets loose?



    Tighten it man!!
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    Seems to be a recurring problem with the 6-Packs.

    The SAME EXACT THING happened to me in Moab this past weekend but luckily it only caused squeaking and didn't back all the way out into the drivetrain before I had a chance to retighten the bolt.

    El Chingon told me the same thing happened to him.
    Tscheezy told me that he's read other reports of the same thing happening.

    Why it's happening exclusively to the drive side main pivot bolt is a mystery to me.

    You'll need a T40 torx driver in order to snug it up again. I recommend removing the crank and applying blue lock-tite before reinstalling.
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    I had it happen too.
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    Thanks for chimming in folks.

    Should that have even happened? I would think that would be fixed up initially with some locktite so it wouldn't be an issue. The bolt is pretty chewed up not to mention the number it pulled on my little ring. Bummer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Squeaky Wheel
    Why it's happening exclusively to the drive side main pivot bolt is a mystery to me.
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    Least the stay isn't cracking on the drive side like....! Jeese!

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    ouch! yea I'm glad about that.
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    LOL.
    Rich, what the heck happened to you this weekend? You missed some good times with the Homers.
    We even allowed two "E" riders to join the crew but they were warned in advance that any broken frames and we were leaving them for coyote meat.
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    no, it shouldt happen but as kid so elequently suggested, its our responcibility to either check the tightness/torque/locktite of our entire bikes hardware at regular intervals or pay a shop to do it for us. its part of the deal guys. and yeah, ive seen a good handfull of the same prob posted lately. drag about the late discovery and subsiquent damage.
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    Wells it's the first and last time it will happen. I'll add it to the pre ride check list.

    Thanks again guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Squeaky Wheel
    LOL.
    Rich, what the heck happened to you this weekend? You missed some good times with the Homers.
    Well the deal is this. I had a huge group and we DID ride porc on Sat. But we figured it would just add to the frey to try and pawn 7 more peeps on your big heap..... But we did have a blast. This guy, Bob, from South Dakota gave us a clinic on several 6+ footers to flat sandstone... And this lovely move on the new slab line on Porc (the hardest move on the whole trail). It was sweet.



    BTW, one of the guys with our group had a Six Pack and I rode it...and loved it.

    I'll catch you when there is less peeps. Looks like you all had a blast. I hope Tim wasn't overwhelmed since I know he likes small groups.

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    that happened on my new spot - two years ago, got scraped up pretty bad, but I still had some old bolts from my ancient burner lying around so it wasn't a big deal......bolts sometimes come loose.....it's all part of the fun [except when it's a motor mount bolt on a motorcycle - bzzzzzzzzzz.....]

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    Squeeker tells no lies. It happended to me after about 5 rides, and I just pulled the crank off, and put some blue loctite on it. 200 miles later, and the bolt hasn't budged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lidarman
    And this lovely move on the new slab line on Porc (the hardest move on the whole trail). It was sweet.

    Is that the new line at the end, at the creek? Looks like his front wheel is gonna catch the lip of the slab.

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    Yeah. That is the new line on the "Body Bag".

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    Quote Originally Posted by rroeder
    Is that the new line at the end, at the creek? Looks like his front wheel is gonna catch the lip of the slab.
    Indeed. The old line is completely washed out. The favored line is a roll slighly to his right with a right off camber move onto the slab, which is left cambered. He's ignoring that line and simple gapping it. He had some decent speed and made it look easy. Bob is one of the best (non-pro) riders I have hung with and that includes some Carolina folks I rode with on one of Hfly's "huckers" routes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABQDave
    Well I'm a bit taken a back by what happened while riding this afternoon.

    I was just in the garage diagnosing a noise/change in the way my Pack was rolling along on my ride earlier. Well come to find out the bolt that is on the drive side, that connects the rear to the front looks as though it has either broken or has come loose enough to rub on my little ring. I wasn't able to see it on the ride so I thought I banged the rear derailleur a bit and rode back at an even pace. Now that I have seen it I can see what the problem was. Should those come loose? I have never dealt with this before and am hoping to get some feedback.
    Standard feature on the Pack.

    Mine did it too. Clean, re-apply some loc-tite and torque it back in.
    Nothing to see here.

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    What thin skin we have these days.

    I have no idea why, but there seems to be a run of Turners lately assembled with grease instead of loctite. Inexcusable, imo, but not the end of the world. Just take each bolt out, clean it well, asseble with blue loctite. All fixed.
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    It's an epidemic!!! I just walked out to the garage and I saw that mine was loose too. Thanks for the heads up.

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    Maybe it's a Utah thing

    On Saturday I morphed from The Squeaky Wheel into The Squeaky Pivot.
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    Same thing happened to my pack. What was odd is that the factory applied loc-tite was still on the threads, undisturbed. I think I used red loc-tite since that was all that was available at the moment.

    Which is stronger, red or blue? I hope I didn't scr3w myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rroeder
    Is that the new line at the end, at the creek? Looks like his front wheel is gonna catch the lip of the slab.

    That line looked very appealing to me when there last week. But.....I wussed out and hoofed it down.

    Penence for that was getting rain drenched on my ride with Tim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cactuscorn
    no, it shouldt happen but as kid so elequently suggested, its our responcibility to either check the tightness/torque/locktite of our entire bikes hardware at regular intervals or pay a shop to do it for us. its part of the deal guys. and yeah, ive seen a good handfull of the same prob posted lately. drag about the late discovery and subsiquent damage.
    Cactuscorn,

    Where did you learn how to spell bro? Are those just typos or honest-to-goodness "I don't know how to spell the word" mistakes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by incubus

    Which is stronger, red or blue? I hope I didn't scr3w myself.
    Red is stronger and you don't want to use too strong for a given bolt. Red is for 3/8 to 1" bolts. Too strong and it might be Siezetite!

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    I had the same happen on my 01' RFX when I purchased it used. drive side same as everyone else. I retorqued it and it came loose again. Got the blue locktite and applied it to the bolt after cleaning the threads and it's stayed put ever since. Seems like Turner is doing something incorrect in the application of their locktite on those bolts. The drive side is the hardest one to get to on the trail side too. Better re-locktite it in the garage before it becomes an issue on the trail cause I don't know that many riders you carry socket wrenches and crank pullers in their camelbaks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shanedawg
    ...Better re-locktite it in the garage before it becomes an issue on the trail cause I don't know that many riders you carry socket wrenches and crank pullers in their camelbaks!
    easy solution: buy some of them new-and-improved outboard bearing cranks. The shimanos come off like a prom dress with just a 4mm allen key.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lidarman
    Indeed. The old line is completely washed out. The favored line is a roll slighly to his right with a right off camber move onto the slab, which is left cambered. He's ignoring that line and simple gapping it. He had some decent speed and made it look easy. Bob is one of the best (non-pro) riders I have hung with and that includes some Carolina folks I rode with on one of Hfly's "huckers" routes.
    Can someone please elaborate on this "new line" on porc rim? Where is it? Top? Bottom? Near the end? Is it an obvious line? I'm pretty familiar with porc, but I haven't been there since April 2004. It seems to me like it's close to the nasty creek crossing near the end where the trail turns left into a canyon. Thanks!

    -Mike

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    ha

    I extensively test rode an RFX about 4 years ago. On day one the hanger bent the derailleur all the way into the wheel. On day 2, the SAME pivot bolt you are referring to backed out into my small ring and got jammed. Silly me, I forgot to bring my crank puller & bottom braket tool/ratchet in my camelbak and had to walk 3 miles to the bottom.

    That was all the Turner "quality" I needed in my life. The rest is history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrashTheDOG
    It's an epidemic!!! I just walked out to the garage and I saw that mine was loose too. Thanks for the heads up.
    Maybe it's just the Bike Gods getting even with all you Turner Homers getting your panties in a bunch about the TNT design coming your way. I bet the TNT 'Packs won't do this. LMAO


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ohio Mike
    Can someone please elaborate on this "new line" on porc rim? Where is it? Top? Bottom? Near the end? Is it an obvious line? I'm pretty familiar with porc, but I haven't been there since April 2004. It seems to me like it's close to the nasty creek crossing near the end where the trail turns left into a canyon. Thanks!

    -Mike
    Yes, at the nasty creek crossing. Looking from a riders perspective, the original line was on the far left with a 3 foot drop-in, then a cross line developed and hooked in to the original trail. Now, about 40 feet back, as soon as you exit the notch (after getting up on the rock) you do a hard right and drop in on two akwardly cambered and steep slabs. It drops you at the bottom of hardest part. Last years line is completely washed out now.

    Another angle of the section

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Beastro
    Maybe it's just the Bike Gods getting even with all you Turner Homers getting your panties in a bunch about the TNT design coming your way. I bet the TNT 'Packs won't do this. LMAO

    You've never had any problems with your Ventana, now have you?

    LMAO

    Care to share with your group how many times your rear triangle has self-detonated?

    Must be a seatstay pivot thing. Glad I still have the Horst.
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    This would never have happened on a Kona.

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    Quote Originally Posted by incubus
    easy solution: buy some of them new-and-improved outboard bearing cranks. The shimanos come off like a prom dress with just a 4mm allen key.
    Hmm, now that is the first good reason anyone has ever pointed out to me as a reason to get that style of crank. Thanks.

    I still won't buy a shimano one though. I'd rather carry the socket wrench than pay the huge increase in price for the cranks. Just a short time ago you could buy XT cranks for about $100 and a BB for about $30. Now the XT cranks with bb are like $270!! WTF? The new design may be better but twice the price?

    Anyone know how the truvativ and race face non-drive side crank arm removal compares to shimano? I'll check over in the drivetrain area too probably.

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    Race Face requires an extractor.
    I don't know about Truvativ.

    My FSA has a self extracting mechanism like Shimano. Only an allen wrench needed.
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    Simple fix

    Quote Originally Posted by ABQDave
    Well I'm a bit taken a back by what happened while riding this afternoon.

    I was just in the garage diagnosing a noise/change in the way my Pack was rolling along on my ride earlier. Well come to find out the bolt that is on the drive side, that connects the rear to the front looks as though it has either broken or has come loose enough to rub on my little ring. I wasn't able to see it on the ride so I thought I banged the rear derailleur a bit and rode back at an even pace. Now that I have seen it I can see what the problem was. Should those come loose? I have never dealt with this before and am hoping to get some feedback.

    I recommend DT eliminate that chainstay to dropout joint. Ooops, he already did!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Squeaky Wheel
    You've never had any problems with your Ventana, now have you?

    LMAO

    Care to share with your group how many times your rear triangle has self-detonated?

    Must be a seatstay pivot thing. Glad I still have the Horst.
    Hmmm, that was a pretty sweet sheer on the chain stay right where the HL would have been . Didn't EB have to replace his X5 chainstay with the Ventana TANDEM chainstay???

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Squeaky Wheel
    Race Face requires an extractor.
    My Deus cranks do not. 8mm allen only.
    Nothing to see here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSINGA
    My Deus cranks do not. 8mm allen only.
    Thanks for the clarification. My bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rmac
    Hmmm, that was a pretty sweet sheer on the chain stay right where the HL would have been . Didn't EB have to replace his X5 chainstay with the Ventana TANDEM chainstay???
    Yes indeed.
    As memory serves me, it happened to him twice before going with the Tandem chainstay.
    And Larry's broke once as well.

    Long live the chainstay pivot
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Squeaky Wheel
    Yes indeed.
    As memory serves me, it happened to him twice before going with the Tandem chainstay.
    And Larry's broke once as well.

    Long live the chainstay pivot
    Slow down Kiddie Winkies....you've been sitting around your sewing circle trading too much gossip. I broke one chainstay by using a M6 Ti 7" rear brake when the standard X5 chainstay wasn't designed for that brake with a Clyde on the ride. Larry's broke on the opposite side when he wrapped a rear derailleur around it. '06 chainstays have the same supports now on the chainstay that Sherwood uses on the Tandem chainstay....for added strength.

    While we are talking about my broken bikes, should we talk about the Titus Switchblade that I broke the Horst link rockers on, or the Kona that I candy cane'd the top tube on, or how about the Fisher I had that I exploded the Cane Creek AD5 on?

    Still...this thread is about your beloved Turner's you Homers. Pull your panties out of your crack, wipe the tears from your eyes, and embrace the TNT as it's the only future you've got to look forward too. lmao
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Beastro
    Slow down Kiddie Winkies....you've been sitting around your sewing circle trading too much gossip. I broke one chainstay by using a M6 Ti 7" rear brake when the standard X5 chainstay wasn't designed for that brake with a Clyde on the ride. Larry's broke on the opposite side when he wrapped a rear derailleur around it. '06 chainstays have the same supports now on the chainstay that Sherwood uses on the Tandem chainstay....for added strength.

    While we are talking about my broken bikes, should we talk about the Titus Switchblade that I broke the Horst link rockers on, or the Kona that I candy cane'd the top tube on, or how about the Fisher I had that I exploded the Cane Creek AD5 on?

    Still...this thread is about your beloved Turner's you Homers. Pull your panties out of your crack, wipe the tears from your eyes, and embrace the TNT as it's the only future you have to look forward too. lmao

    I'm starting to see a big ol' common denominator here and that, my friend, is your a$$!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtn hack
    I'm starting to see a big ol' common denominator here and that, my friend, is your a$$!
    And let's not forget his riding "technique" as it's loosely called.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SSINGA
    My Deus cranks do not. 8mm allen only.
    Ok, so it's only an 8mm but what's it torqued to? If it's like a normal ISIS crankarm bolt it would be about 35-40ft pounds. This mostly eliminates trailside removal because most mini tools can't generate that much torque without breaking.

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