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    Rocky Zilla Picture Show

    I've been super busy lately and haven't had much time for riding. But I did manage to reserve Friday for a return assult on Cannonball, Skyline drive in NJ. I got with some of my buds and we had at it.

    If you are unfamilliar with the Cannonball trail, it's near Ringwood in NJ but it's NOT Ringwood. Cannonball is one long huge rock garden. It's a techy crawl all the way in and a white knuckler most of the way back. It's endo city b/c it's studded with square edged granite much of it obscured by leaves and grass. Almost every thing of interest is coming directly off of something else, and almost nothing has a direct approach or useful run-out. It's game-on start to finish.

    Unfortunately for me this assault began far earlier than I expected. While headed into the trail, I distracted myself with some shifting anomolies and endoed HARD over a 4" log . Gravity in NJ apparently isn't quite the same as NY...I totally fockered my right hand. So now I'm as limp wristed as Tim Curry's "Dr. Frankenfruter". Determined to bring it on, I rode anyway. It hurt like hell and I had very limited control. I endoed hard at least three more times. Jose (Bones) is a military surgeon , just back from Iraq. He looked at my wrist and gave that "you'll be fine" kinda smile doctors give while they're trying to remember your next of kin.

    Anyway it was a awesome ride. John(JohnnyPedals) is our own Spongebob's buddy and he came along to show us the goods since SB bagged like a checkout coutner .(J/K SB) I'm a little disappointed I had to pass on some of the drops (not pictured) b/c I've been waiting a LONG time to come back here with the right bike to knock it out. Oh well next time.

    On with the show!

    Da Crew(L2R): Peter, Pete, Paco, Jose, John, Yours Truly.
    (Is it my imagination or am I riding with elves??)



    Peter(Farty-Fartmeister) Rolls it out: Farty DESPERATELY misses his Switchblade. His Moto lite is nice but he can't let go of his first true love. Still he rides and climbs like a man possessed.


    JohnnyPedals takes it down: Local riders really know how to make ya feel like a poseur... not that I need help with that.


    Pedals takes it up: He really understands the NJ Gravity.


    Pedals Rolls his own:


    Zilly trys the notch:


    Bones Takes his own advice: (He somehow snapped his Tomson stem on his Blur so he brought his hardtail... This is NO PLACE for a HT... Bones hung hella tough!


    Paco shows no fear: Paco is jonesing for a Flux... I'll be giving him the appropriate council.


    Zilla follows suit: (this sort of thing was really messing with my mind, thinking if I go over I'll snap what's left of my weakned wrist.


    more to to follow...
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    Pete puts on his own climbing show: Pete had mentioned he was having a lot of trouble getting his DHX-A dialed right...turns out it's been stuck down for DAYS. It didnt stop him from schooling us AND the rocks.










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    Another Roller:


    Pete Rolls a big step:


    And makes it


    Zilla folows suit... and doesn't!!! Note front tire convienently stuffed in the rock Pete just went around. By this time I decided not to land on my right hand again.



    Me trying my green thumb at Rock Gardening:






    Nahh naaaa!!! No hospital for me!


    The End
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    For the GEEK in you

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    GPS Data:







    Summary Data
    Total Time (h:m:s) 3:01:23 19:30 pace
    Moving Time (h:m:s) 1:50:44 11:54 pace
    Distance (mi ) 9.30
    Moving Speed (mph) 5.0 avg. 18.9 max.
    Elevation Gain (ft) +1,814 / -1,826


    Time Data Total % of Total
    Total Time 3:01:23 100.0
    Moving Time 1:50:44 61.0
    Ascent 0:23:22 12.9
    Descent 0:24:30 13.5
    Flat 1:02:52 34.7
    Stopped Time 1:10:39 39.0
    # of MB Stops 25


    Distance Data Total (mi ) % of Total
    Distance 9.30 100 %
    Ascent 2.20 23.7%
    Descent 2.97 32.0%
    Flat 4.12 44.3%


    Speed Data Average (mph) Maximum (mph)
    Overall Speed 3.1 --
    Moving Speed 5.0 18.9
    Ascent 5.6 15.2
    Descent 7.2 18.9
    Flat 3.7 16.0

    Pace Data Average ( m:s ) Best (m:s)
    Overall Pace 19:30 --
    Moving Pace 11:54 3:10
    Ascent 10:43 3:57
    Descent 8:18 3:10
    Flat 16:21 3:45

    Elevation Change Total (ft)
    Total Elevation 3,640
    Elevation Gain 1,814
    Elevation Loss 1,826
    Net Elevation Change -13

    Vertical Speed Average ( ft/min) Maximum (ft/min)
    Ascent 16.4 946.2
    Descent -16.5 -1,561.2

    Grade Average (%) Maximum (%)
    Overall Grade 0.6 --%
    Ascent Grade 19.2 21.3%
    Descent Grade -5.2 -505.8%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla
    Pete puts on his own climbing show: Pete had mentioned he was having a lot of trouble getting his DHX-A dialed right...turns out it's been stuck down for DAYS. It didnt stop him from schooling us AND the rocks.









    Breather:
    Wow, super pics-I think you peaked the fun-meeter. That place looks like a trials riders paradise and your boy Pete looks like he's got it dialed. Sorry to hear you tweaked the wrist-that seems to be a pretty common injury. A Titanium wrist band from Phitenusa.com might help you heal-give em a try, if it works it's money well spent; I use their stuff and it works for me. Just wondering, have you tried riding with flats and 5.10 shoes-it's a sure way to get off the bike in a jam-sure beats gettin slammed. Your photo skills are impressive and most inspiring-I'm working up to getting a camera soon.
    thanks, turtle

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    Tnx T. Getting out of the clips isn't my problem. Staying in is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla
    Tnx T. Getting out of the clips isn't my problem. Staying in is.
    Whatever it is, stop doing it and heal up quick and please keep posting pics.

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    awsome stuff z! you take some of the better ride shots in these parts. i couldnt find my digi for thursdays ride so im waitin on squish. that could be awhile.

    hows the wrist or do ya know yet?
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    right on! those are some awesome shots! just what i needed...cool ride pics on the turner forum...i'm on vacation...visiting non-biking friends and am really missing the riding! so thanks for letting me live vicariously BZ!

    as for the wrist...hope it's ok...i've done that move before...clearly had a somewhat limited understanding of gravity in AZ at the time...and it was pretty bad...big thumbsup for riding on after that...i''ve also done that...and all i have to say is OUCH! when i fell, i didn't tell my friends how bad it was because i didn't want them stop me from riding...but when i got to the car, i couldn't even take my glove off! yikes! so i feel your pain, buddy...i feel your pain!
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    That was a blast yesterday!!!

    Don't let Bikezilla fool you he was kicking some serious tail !!!!! The boys from

    Westchester really know how to bring it.

    And don't worry we'll both hit that drop next time

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    WOW I needed the picture of the 'breather' cause I had the adrenaline going from looking at all the great riding going on! Great form guys

    That place is right behind my cousin's condo. Gonna have to show up there with the family for a 'visit', so's I can get out and try that place. see ya later honey, Marty and I are going riding!! haha!
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    Awesome ride shots Z. Looks super techy. In the first pic you look like you're either 8 feet tall or you ride with 4'11" guys.

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    Tnx folks. My hand is swollen and looks like it got run over. No worries though,
    A few hours with the right magazines and some lotion and my wrist will be good as new.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla
    Tnx folks. My hand is swollen and looks like it got run over. No worries though,
    A few hours with the right magazines and some lotion and my wrist will be good as new.
    What magazines????
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    MBA, BIKE you know...

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    Thanks for the pre-ride stoke! I'm heading out to Noble right now! Great shots. I am pretty paranoid about wrist injuries, since turing mine into spagetti on a bad high speed endo.

    Sounds like you haven't set up the new shock/mod yet? Kind of hard to test out now I guess, till you wrist is feeling better.

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    Yes I did bag it!

    Oh Man! I wished I had kommt mit. I so rarely sleep these days, that when I did, I had to roll over and enjoy it! But I got up later, and got some miles in to work off the turkey, and chocolate, even though the were roadie miles What's more dangerous, mountain biking or road biking in Paramus during peak shopping season? JP and I just did some more miles today, and are headed up to Blue tomorrow.
    Those are some great pic's. I'm sure I would have done a few superman's if I had come. I'm getting a camera for Christmas, and I'm stoked looking at yours!
    BZ- tell me about your gps unit.
    And lastly, nice 'action figure'. And warm up that lotion, it'll help the wrist!
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    geez, a couple of those shots I found myself saying "are you sure they are actually ON A TRAIL????" Talk about baby elephant heads.....! Fun looking ride though....

    Hey Zilla - what kind of GPS software are you using to generate that ride summary data stuff that follows the google earth overlays....I'm kinda fishing around for some GPS software that does that.

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    Good write up, I was also looking for more of a "trail". With all the leaves this time of year it must be like riding by braille.

    Please tell me that first shot is some kind of photo illusion. I know you are a big fella but those guys don't look any bigger than the burrito I had after my ride today.

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    Yeah Zilla some of those rock gardens look pretty intense, more like boulder gardens!? and yes compared to the others , yeah it looks like elves. Endoed 4X!!! you are definetely a madman! ride on Dude

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    Thanks for the stoke.

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    I endo a lot lately. I'm usually quite good at rolling the fall or running off the eject. Avg techy speed is less than 5mph so I get to pick my landings. The last high speed endo's I had ended up with both arms pinned under and me sliding it out on my chest...AUGER!

    Anyway the last time I had a series of endos my fork was too soft. I better have a looksie.

    SB, road riding around here is psycotic. People are flat out gunning for bikers.

    Any GPS will get ya that data, map and Sat shots...the gravy comes from Motionbased's Website It's got some killer utilities and basic service is free. Excellent stuff!

    I'm pretty sure the rider size differential is an optical illusion. I'm only 6'2".

    The wrist is getting a nice workout painting the kitchen today.
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    I love rock, but I think what's hidden under those leaves would scare me. I hate surprises. Great shots. Heal up quickly.

    BTW, did your friend break a Thomson Elite or X4 stem? I heard of 2 X4 breakages in the last month so I'm curious.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Clyde S Dale
    I love rock, but I think what's hidden under those leaves would scare me. I hate surprises.
    thats why i bailed on one of my fave runs thurs am. i asked the guys where the hell they were goin as they climbed rather than desended on our regular route.

    "have ya ridden here in the last week?"
    "no, i havent.", i admitted.
    "3' deep gully filled with 6" of leaves coverin 4" holes. roots too. super erroded.", i was told. "go for it if ya want, were headin up."

    i followed, 2 did not. 1 made it, the other came back beat up after a big stack ridin my borrowed x-fly. maybe i better look it over. the word was leaves up to the top of their sliders at one point. thats 2 feet kids!
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    Damn Zilla, how bout a little trail with those rocks , nice stuff, rocky/techy goodness!

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    Geat stuff BZ. Sometimes it seems like the slow speed 'rock garden' injuries are worse than the high speed smoother stuff! I really like that rock/boulder garden - Heal up fast.

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    Nice stoke Zilla.
    It almost makes me miss New Jersey....NOT !!!!!



    We used to link Cannonball into Ringwood proper for a nice all day epic. Those pix bring back memories. We used to refer to Cannonball as The Destroyer as something, or someone, always broke.

    Glad to hear it was just your hand and not some expensive bike part that was injured
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    [QUOTEWe used to link Cannonball into Ringwood proper for a nice all day epic. [/QUOTE]

    Yep there is lots of riding in Ringwood/Ramapo....We'll be there tomorrow - you can make a lollipop loop with the yellow and green trails or try the white or orange off of skyline....you can also start at one end of cannonball at the soccer field in Oakland and climb up over 287 and keep going up to skyline drive......I am a fan of the (rock) garden state's trail systems but have never mtn biked in Colorado.

    PS Zilla great shots......not many do the trail justice but yours do!

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    Nice pics Zilla! Love the narration as well. Hope the wrist gets it's flexibilty back! I take it the bike received no damage...or we would have heard you cry all the way from NJ.
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    awesome stoke BZ cheers for the pics good to se ya on the bike that we all know so well from the couch shots looks even better in the field

    bad on the wrist dude heal up soon man

    ya need some kiwi wings dude 2 hit those drops harder so no nose wheelies yr 66 will take it
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    Great write-up BZ! I hope your wrist is doing better.

    I rode a chunk of the Cannonball trail a few weeks ago with some buddies from New Jersey without planning on it. We were riding at Ringwood and one of them said "I know a shortcut back to the parking lot" ....
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    Ha, was there riding same day on the same trail, although I started my ride from the other side of ringwood, over by the school and worked my way towards skyline dr. Awsome shots!

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    That's a nice trail

    I think I'm gonna go ride.

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    Are you sure that's a trail? I'm not convinced. All of the leaves covering the rocks sketches me out. Just hit it and REACT!

    Looks like you guys had a fun time. The graphs are the proof Hopefully any damage wasn't permanent.

    Thanks for posting BZ.

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    -Clyde, I don't know what kind of Thomson stem he had, I'd love to know how he broke it.

    -TA, most of what you see is either coming right off something or leading right into something else. Runouts are a bike length or less so basically launching isn't really an option, esp if it means landing on a rock pile. But there is one or two drops that have tricky apporaches. It's on my to-do list.

    - Belive it or not, all those shots ARE the main trail. The whole place is pretty much like that. These are just the places we stopped long enough to take pix. Those leaves are scary. It's tough not knowing if that spot right in front of your wheel is a pointed rock, or a chuckhole. Like SupS said you have to stay loose and react... "use the force Luke".

    -Squeak, wilks, nyb, Yeah I've done the run up from the soccer field into RW and back... it took ~6hrs and I drained two water packs. Freakng wicked. nyb, If someone took me from RW thorugh Cannonball as a shortcut I would have beat his arse after getting back to the lot. I've got the NY/NJ NG TOPO! software too... I'll have to play with it some.

    Su, DH... thx for the well wishes... the only thing that would have had me cryin is if I had to skip the ride after the first fall.

    The wrist is good. All the swelling is in my hand and it's going down. If I ever get done with painting, I might be able to bolt up the Avy and do a ride Monday.
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    Hey Zilla we just did a smilar loop today! Cannonball - Yellow - Blue (Bear Swamp Lake) and back.

    First ride on a brand new set of ATAC XS's...so there were plenty of clipped in crashes for me. I like Squeak's "Destroyer" tag for Cannonball, absolutely right.

    PM me next time you plan to ride the Ramapo range. Wilks, myself and a couple of other Turner riders are up for showing you some new trails that'll truly test the RFX!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bollox
    ...First ride on a brand new set of ATAC XS's...so there were plenty of clipped in crashes for me. I like Squeak's "Destroyer" tag for Cannonball, absolutely right.
    Yeah, "Destroyer" is too right. On that all day epic loop I busted a pedal:


    AND a cassette:


    And those happened on the way in.
    I'll give you a shout next time I go back for more punishment.
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    why did you drill all those holes in your 34t....?

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    I heard it improves shifting.
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    Zilla,
    You ever figure out what was causing your pedal/cleat problem?
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    The place, Ringwood is an East Coast treat. Whether navigating the rocks on a hardtail like some kind of cycling ballet or ramming therough them with something with some some cush, its pure MTB bliss.

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    Nice pic's Zilla, did you try out that shiney new shock yet?

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    Zilla,
    THose are some great photos and what looks like a killer place to ride. Done with a good group of friends and finished WIA as well. Must have been a great day!

    Thanks for sharing, needed a little help to get thru a Monday morning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla
    Tnx T. Getting out of the clips isn't my problem. Staying in is.
    I've got two words for you 'Zilla:
    Flat pedals.
    Two more:
    No cleats.
    I find I ride technical sections so much better in flats. You're not wasting energy and concentration worrying about getting into your pedals, or giving yourself enough time to get out of them. You don't plan ahead to bail.
    Nice pics. Everyone of those rocks wants to flip me over the bars. I hate them all.

    'Zilla, if you ever wanted to go over to the dark side, these flat pedals are all you! These are the one's that FM uses. Notice how they're your favorite accesory color.

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    BZ, awesome pics of what looks like some really fun trail riding...well...maybe "trail" is a little loose in this application...LOL! There are so many leaves there, it's hard to see what's what. I bet that place would be a real challenge with a little moisture thrown in...slip and slide. Good stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNC
    BZ, awesome pics of what looks like some really fun trail riding...well...maybe "trail" is a little loose in this application...LOL! There are so many leaves there, it's hard to see what's what. I bet that place would be a real challenge with a little moisture thrown in...slip and slide. Good stuff.
    New Years Day 2002 I was part of a group ride at Ringwood/Cannonball.
    Halfway through it started snowing. By the time we were done there was a good 3-4" on the ground.
    To call those conditions slippery & trecherous would be understatements.

    I miss it
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    Hey BZ, great pics. Good to see Jersey getting some respect, yo.

    I just bolted a new RP23 on my 5-Spot and christened it on that same trail at Ramapo yesterday. I figured, if I like the shock here, it's gonna be good no matter what I throw at it.

    I'm still dialing in some of the settings, but turning the propedal off gave a nice cush for those rock gardens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtle 1
    A Titanium wrist band from Phitenusa.com might help you heal-give em a try, if it works it's money well spent; I use their stuff and it works for me.
    i use snake oil

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Squeaky Wheel
    New Years Day 2002 I was part of a group ride at Ringwood/Cannonball.
    Halfway through it started snowing. By the time we were done there was a good 3-4" on the ground.
    To call those conditions slippery & trecherous would be understatements.

    I miss it
    i have another snow story.we rode that trail with a about a foot of frozen snow on top.we hardly ever broke trough the snow.we had plenty of grip on the frozen snow.
    we didnt know how technical it really was the first time we rode it because the snow covered most rocks.

    nice pics,thanks for sharing.
    this write up makes me want to go back there.
    long island,ny

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