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    New question here. RFX out of the saddle

    Hi -

    I am interested in purchasing an RFX, particularly with the current prices. I want to have a more aggresive bike for a few of the trails that we ride. I do not have an opportunity to test ride one. For some reason, I can not search "RFX" - I am not sure if others have similar search problems. As I understand, the RFX is a great bike when seated (minimal bob) and soaks of bumps....how do is handle when out of the saddle?

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    There is very little about the bike's linkage that suppresses rider-induced suspension movement. If you stand up and pedal squares, it will bob a lot. I took a very novice rider out last summer and put him on my 5-Spot and he was nearly bottoming the suspension when he stood to climb on a steep, smooth road section. I can power up the same section with minimal suspension movement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dude!
    Hi -

    I am interested in purchasing an RFX, particularly with the current prices. I want to have a more aggresive bike for a few of the trails that we ride. I do not have an opportunity to test ride one. For some reason, I can not search "RFX" - I am not sure if others have similar search problems. As I understand, the RFX is a great bike when seated (minimal bob) and soaks of bumps....how do is handle when out of the saddle?

    Thanks!
    It doesn't bob that bad. If you're using the bike for what it's intended (technical & rocky) then you won't notice the suspension bobbing.

    If you use it for smooth fire road, you will. The RP23 does a good job of mitigating bob.
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    argeed. buy it. its hard to find a better overall product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dude!
    ....how do is handle when out of the saddle?

    Thanks!
    It can bob quite a bit, but you can, with some practice, hone your technique so the bob is not as pronounced--on short sections anyway. When I first started riding my RFX (coming from a HT 29er) the bob drove me absolutely crazy. Over time I have been able to refine my technique a bit, and can now hammer through short to mid sized uphill sections without much of an issue. For long uphill climbs it is best to stay in the saddle. And as CC mentions, it is hard to find a better all rounder, so you learn to live with the uphill performance, but it's all $hits and grins when you are pointed downhill.

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    If you need time to get down your pedaling technique, you can always run propedal at the varying levels and then turn it off when you get better/and or hit rough terrain/DH

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    ive always believed fs bikes shine when doin seated climbing due to the bob thing. of course this becomes hard to do in the tech but thats when ya want it to be as active as possible negating the bob issue for the most part.

    and yes, technique and pp are yer pals on extended climbs. it takes practice but its soooooo worth it. ordered it yet? dont dilly dally now.
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    Considered the double barrel?

    I have a 08 RFX with a Cane Creek Double Barrel and I feel that by tuning the shock I can reduce a lot of pedal-bob without sacrificing shock-absorption and traction. As a said, this requires some fine-tuning and working with high- and low-speed settings. In addition I think a bike like the RFX should have a coil-shock anyway.

    Note, I climb seated and get out of the saddle only to get over obstacles, so I cannot guarantee that tuning a shock will make the bike climb like a HT while standing up. But, as many here have pointed out, climb seated, be smooth and you will be surprised how well the RFX handles techy climbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jens_Fredrik
    I have a 08 RFX with a Cane Creek Double Barrel and I feel that by tuning the shock I can reduce a lot of pedal-bob without sacrificing shock-absorption and traction. As a said, this requires some fine-tuning and working with high- and low-speed settings. In addition I think a bike like the RFX should have a coil-shock anyway.

    Note, I climb seated and get out of the saddle only to get over obstacles, so I cannot guarantee that tuning a shock will make the bike climb like a HT while standing up. But, as many here have pointed out, climb seated, be smooth and you will be surprised how well the RFX handles techy climbs.
    RFX is super good on techy, steep climbs. Here's a little somthing from last week - I've made this climb every time I've hit it on my RFX. Never made it on my Ibis Mojo.
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    Thanks for the info

    Thanks everyone for the input. I really appreciate it. One last question - does the RFX jump well? Most of the trails that I ride are fast and swoopy downhills with jumps and drops. Unfortunately, we do not a lot of rocks (instead we have big red woods - Santa Cruz). I really miss the rocky terrain of places that I have lived. I miss the technical grinds. I visit my buddy in So Cal every few months and enjoy his trails (San Juan).

    Also, is the CCDB that good? Everyone seems gaga over it (I guess I answered my own question.

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    Jump well? For me it has. Super tough as well. It's not a dedicated park sled, but it's tougher than the competition I've owned/borrowed/broken. BTW, I'm a tad larger than the normal mtb'er.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dude!
    Thanks everyone for the input. I really appreciate it. One last question - does the RFX jump well? Most of the trails that I ride are fast and swoopy downhills with jumps and drops. Unfortunately, we do not a lot of rocks (instead we have big red woods - Santa Cruz). I really miss the rocky terrain of places that I have lived. I miss the technical grinds. I visit my buddy in So Cal every few months and enjoy his trails (San Juan).

    Also, is the CCDB that good? Everyone seems gaga over it (I guess I answered my own question.
    That depends on your skills, not the bike. Also different shocks and different set ups with jump differently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dude!
    Also, is the CCDB that good? .
    Yes, but the Avalanche is even better . It just doesn't have all the advertising.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dude!
    Thanks everyone for the input. I really appreciate it. One last question - does the RFX jump well? Most of the trails that I ride are fast and swoopy downhills with jumps and drops. Unfortunately, we do not a lot of rocks (instead we have big red woods - Santa Cruz). I really miss the rocky terrain of places that I have lived. I miss the technical grinds. I visit my buddy in So Cal every few months and enjoy his trails (San Juan).

    Also, is the CCDB that good? Everyone seems gaga over it (I guess I answered my own question.
    Haven't put the add in yet (I will), but selling an 08 Large frame with a CCDB if your interested?

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    Quote Originally Posted by axolotl
    Haven't put the add in yet (I will), but selling an 08 Large frame with a CCDB if your interested?
    pm me when you have your add up. My friend needs a bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles
    I've made this climb every time I've hit it on my RFX. Never made it on my Ibis Mojo.
    http://vimeo.com/3006588
    IMPOSSIBLE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dude!
    Also, is the CCDB that good? Everyone seems gaga over it (I guess I answered my own question.
    Pretty happy with mine, much more so than I was with the RP23.
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    it sure opened the door for me. i couldnt spell drop or jump before this bike and now a am 1. ive even tried some small gaps which are unheard of for me. the bike is a confidence builder for sure. dude, you still havent ordered yers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cactuscorn
    it sure opened the door for me. i couldnt spell drop or jump before this bike and now a am 1. ive even tried some small gaps which are unheard of for me. the bike is a confidence builder for sure. dude, you still havent ordered yers?
    I agree its the rider and not the bike, but the RFX also made me feel more agressive, try more jumps, go faster through rock gardens, etc. If it makes you want to ride more, then you will be a better rider.

    That said, coming from a 2002 Heckler, I can say that it is a much more balanced bike and soaks up bumps much better. I only weigh 150 geared-up, so I don't experience much bob or bottoming out on the rp23.

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    thanks - but....

    Hi-

    Thanks for the input. I was planning to test ride one this weekend and potentially buy one in the near future. However, last night was playing on some jumps at my buddy's house and went for jump and had to ride around some folks and hit the jump off line and landed crooked and crashed. Slammed shoulder into the dirt. It did not seem bad at the time. I got up went to go back up to jump and realized that I couldn't left the handlebars that well so I called it an evening. Today I found out that I AC shoulder separation. Luckily, it is only a Level 1 and I am getting the proper treatment (all taped up to reduce the strain) so I should be back at in a few weeks. This will give me time to read a lot of MTBR discussions and catch-up of some crappy tv shows. Being off the bike can be frustrating for me....I guess I can service the bike now and it could have been worse.

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    sorry to hear it. been there myself.... twice. sleepin is gonna be a gas for the next year but it does get better, not perfect but better. for now, i hope ya have a comfy bed with plenty of room to not get bumped. a recliner might be best for now cuz gettin up is not fun. not sure what level mine were but both requiered a sling for a few weeks. best of luck and heal fast man.

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    sorry to hear about crashin.
    watch that video posted above, theres some good crashing in there!

    the 08 rfx with a 7.5x2 shock jumps great so far. havent landed hard enough to bottom yet but feels excellent so far with one minor run. the 08 is great. some awesome deals, snap one up and build it
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    "the 08 rfx with a 7.5x2 shock jumps great so far. havent landed hard enough to bottom yet but feels excellent so far with one minor run. the 08 is great. some awesome deals, snap one up and build it"

    I know this was discussed before, but what numbers (rear travel, HA, BB, WB, etc.) are you getting with the 7.5 x 2 shock on the 08' RFX?

    I have been having a lot of fun lately on my 5.5 Pack and ride faster on the descents than I did with older rockers (either due to lowered leverage ratio and/or slacker HA), but it is a little harsher in the rough like nybike suggested, but it does pedal better, doesn't necessarily climb any better, but definitely snappier when cruising down the trails.
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    what is it...

    with RFX riders havin' AC joint damage? I screwed mine up on a roadbike (nice wreck). But I stayed off a bike and the weights for a year and a half before finally gettin' x-rays. Then I had surgery, and couldn't get back on the bike or skis for another 3-6 MONTHS. Take care of your shoulders guys...
    By the way- I haven't had too much bob with my RFX, but I came from a Pro-Flex 757, so anything is better. If you keep the pedaling smooth like you know you should, the bob is not so bad at all. I don't notice it at all anymore, and the thing has great traction. The only things I can complain about with my RFX is the standover height (not much!) and that it can be a little light up front on really steep climbs. But what bike isn't? Buy one- they're great...

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    Getting better - I did not realize how many folks had an AC injury

    I have been biking for almost 10 years, broken a few bones (wrists and fingers) and a dislocated and broken elbow. The dislocated elbow put me out for a bit and my view on biking change - I took it down a notch. I wasn't affraid of breaking bones - they heal quick and you are back at it.

    My job requires that I am 100% healthy certain times of the year so that I can perform field experiments (I study waves and currents in the surf zone). So my biking attitude fluctuates through the year, as I get closer to experiments I need to be careful. My old mentor always counts down the weeks before the experiment - let me know to reduce my jumping etc at this point .

    Luckily I only have an AC separation level 1. I got the proper medical attention quickly. I am taped up, which supports my shoulder. I am already able to do most things, though still slow going. I am and will take it easy as I do not want to jeopardize the heal process and the long-term effects.

    But doing a search of AC separations on MTBR - wow - very common and many not so good. I was nervous that I had level 2 or 3 because so many people thought they were okay until the saw the doctor. I felt that it wasn't that bad. When I saw the doctor and he said level 1 - I was super happy, yes still off the bike, but I will be back soon. It is raining now so I can relax.

    Cheers,
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