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    So who's riding a Turner in New England? For the rocky, rooty, tight and twisty singletrack, what's the verdict on the latest and greatest iterations? I'm still on my Burner, and dig it, but I'm looking to step up to the DW, and I'd like to hear how the new bikes handle this terrain.
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    Been on an '09 Sultan for just over a year in MA. My 1st 29er and my 1st FS. Absolutely amazing vs. the small-wheeled hardtail I was riding.

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    08 RFX for trails and a Highline for Highland and Sunday River. I wouldn't ride anything less than a 5 Spot around here. That said it all depends upon your riding style and terrain. i know my LBS has sold 2 DW 5 Spots over the last couple months.

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    So whats the word on the Spot?

    Any folks riding a Spot in NE? How would the Spot hang at Sunday River? I saw some footage from the area and would love a bike that could manage the trails and the downhills-- I don't want to increase the stable, and would prefer one bike for all duties.

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    08 RFX for trails and a Highline for Highland and Sunday River. I wouldn't ride anything less than a 5 Spot around here. That said it all depends upon your riding style and terrain. i know my LBS has sold 2 DW 5 Spots over the last couple months.
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    I just sold my 08 Sultan (great fun bike) and had a 05 6-pack and a 02 RFX.....I'm on the fence with buying a 10 Sultan but my head is telling me that the 18.2 will just blow for Lynn Woods and School ST....Thoughts on this Ma.guys? CF.

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    You would be under biked for the trails but fine on the fire roads at Sunday River. There are some steep technical trails at the River that would be to much for a Spot. One bike to do it all will compromise some where. Think about what you would ride most ,XC aggressive trail riding, or more DH/FR? You can always rent at SR or Highland if you'll only get there a few times a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CRAZY FRED
    I just sold my 08 Sultan (great fun bike) and had a 05 6-pack and a 02 RFX.....I'm on the fence with buying a 10 Sultan but my head is telling me that the 18.2 will just blow for Lynn Woods and School ST....Thoughts on this Ma.guys? CF.

    CF the Brett Farve of bike buying....

    I thought you were sold on the 29er thing? I couldn't fathom riding big wheels at either of those two locations? HP maybe not Lynn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncig
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    Huh, try living a day in my mind...I can't do the whole 26' Spitfire plan like we talked about..Once you get that 29er bug its hard to go back....CF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aixelsyd
    CF the Brett Farve of bike buying....

    I thought you were sold on the 29er thing? I couldn't fathom riding big wheels at either of those two locations? HP maybe not Lynn.
    What are you kidding? My Sultan was fun but my 29er hardtail (Banshee Paradox) is a pure machine @ Lynn and School St.....CF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aixelsyd
    You would be under biked for the trails but fine on the fire roads at Sunday River. There are some steep technical trails at the River that would be to much for a Spot. One bike to do it all will compromise some where. Think about what you would ride most ,XC aggressive trail riding, or more DH/FR? You can always rent at SR or Highland if you'll only get there a few times a year.
    Aggressive trail riding, I suppose... good point, I'll rent when I go to SR. So for the tight rooty messes, how does the Spot handle?
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    I dont know if you can still build one of these with the new systems but I love my 5 Pack around here. 6 pack (RFX?) up front - 5 spot rear triangle. Its perfect around here and Ive even ridden it at Highland a handful of times. Can you still build this type of package with the DW?
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    CF, I haven't ridden at Lynn or School St, but I don't find the 18.2 stays to be much issue really. Took a few rides to get used to compared to my 26" hardtail, after that I've been fine. The FS 29er is great with the rocky and roots--I'll never go back to a 26."

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    The DW & the TNT (Sultan) have the same length stays.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CRAZY FRED
    What are you kidding? My Sultan was fun but my 29er hardtail (Banshee Paradox) is a pure machine @ Lynn and School St.....CF.

    I didn't think you'd be giving up up on the 29er. From all the reviews on here I think you would love a DW Sultan. If I had the urge to try a 29er thats where my money would be spent.

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    Rockin' the DW Flux w/ 120mm fork for just about everything around here.
    If I want to hit the big shat at Lynn, Nam etc, then the DHR comes out.
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    So for someone who has ridden all of 'em

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    I'm in NE, year round off-road riding here!
    What do you prefer for aggressive riding on technical trails? Of the Turners, that is...
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    Quote Originally Posted by _dw
    I'm in NE, year round off-road riding here!
    There's rideable trail in these parts right now? Where? Coastal CT is snowy mush, and inland is soft slushy snow... guess further north where its colder?

    I think a 5 Spot with a 36 TALAS would be a solid x-stuntery type rig for these parts. Would make a good everything except DH/FR days bike. I feel like a Flux might not be close to enough for the trails like Vietnam, Millers Pond, and Trumbull. I'll take my Sultan to Millers, but leave it home for Trumbull and Vietnam, although I'm curious how far an '08 sultan can be pushed...

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    07 RFX & 08 Sultan here in Massachusetts. RFX used to be the only bike so it saw everything from Highland to some (slow) XC racing. Sultan is the "racier" bike now but has a decidedly trailbike build (120mm Reba w/ Maxle, Flows to I9s, 2.25 Ardents) so it has been seeing most of the day to day work over the past year (I like going fast up as well as down). RFX is due for an overhaul (fork going to PUSH) and has a Roco coil, DH tires, etc. to take on 'Nam and Lynn. I'd be lying if I denied that either the new RFX or something like a Lenz 6.0 'Box wasn't distantly on my radar to replace my current RFX since I've found I really dig the slack angles for the tech and jumpy stuff & big wheels are killer.

    If you're on the 26" wheel thing I think I spot could handle it, you just won't have the comfort factor of the slacker angles of an RFX (keep in mind that a spot w/ a 36 is about as slack as my older RFX is). I still think that under a good rider a Sultan w/ the right build would kill it and hold up to the abuse. My e-riding option is that 95% of stuff you'd throw at a spot a sultan could handle. Being a homer I have no way to backing that up with any real life evidence or even a graph at this time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by insighter
    Any folks riding a Spot in NE? How would the Spot hang at Sunday River? I saw some footage from the area and would love a bike that could manage the trails and the downhills-- I don't want to increase the stable, and would prefer one bike for all duties.
    My bud rode an 05 Spot on Boston North Shore trails before he moved away. He killed on it but he did crack the front triangle and the seatstays. Personally, I'd want something with a slacker head angle for our trails, especially if you are planning on riding Sunday River or Highland.
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    I have ridden up in CT, NH and MA as well as VT and ride techy rocky stuff in NJ. Have owned a 06 and 08 RFX and 06 5 Spot and currently own a 10 5 Spot. 2010 5 Spot is much more capable that an 06 Spot - particularly with a 150 or 160mm fork. 2010 5 Spot seems to handle the 3-4 footers no poblem and descends well. I would prefer a slightly slacker head angle though. To be honest an 08 RFX or 2010 5 Spot isn't really enough to do the lift served stuff justice. If I had the nads to go to Diablo more than once a year I would want a FR bike. I think a DW RFX will be the ticket for a lot of NE techy riding as it's going to be a little slacker than an 08 RFX. But not sure there is really one bike fits all. You will have to compromise somewhere but if you only go to the lift served stuff once or twice a year rent a bike and go with a 5 Spot and a 160mm fork or wait for a 2010/2011 RFX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilks
    I have ridden up in CT, NH and MA as well as VT and ride techy rocky stuff in NJ. Have owned a 06 and 08 RFX and 06 5 Spot and currently own a 10 5 Spot. 2010 5 Spot is much more capable that an 06 Spot - particularly with a 150 or 160mm fork. 2010 5 Spot seems to handle the 3-4 footers no poblem and descends well. I would prefer a slightly slacker head angle though. To be honest an 08 RFX or 2010 5 Spot isn't really enough to do the lift served stuff justice. If I had the nads to go to Diablo more than once a year I would want a FR bike. I think a DW RFX will be the ticket for a lot of NE techy riding as it's going to be a little slacker than an 08 RFX. But not sure there is really one bike fits all. You will have to compromise somewhere but if you only go to the lift served stuff once or twice a year rent a bike and go with a 5 Spot and a 160mm fork or wait for a 2010/2011 RFX.
    That's a great idea, to slack out the HA for the Spot. I'm thinking an adjustable fork, if that's the direction I go. I think an RFX would be too much for the 'usual' riding around here, although it would be great on the downhill days.


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    If you're on the 26" wheel thing I think I spot could handle it, you just won't have the comfort factor of the slacker angles of an RFX (keep in mind that a spot w/ a 36 is about as slack as my older RFX is). I still think that under a good rider a Sultan w/ the right build would kill it and hold up to the abuse. My e-riding option is that 95% of stuff you'd throw at a spot a sultan could handle. Being a homer I have no way to backing that up with any real life evidence or even a graph at this time.
    That's the dilemna for me-- whether to go with the Spot or the Sultan. I want to hit the downhills and be able to flick the bike, and I don't know whether I could do so on the Sultan (I'm sure some could flick it just fine, just not me). It would roll through the roots and rocks better, though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by insighter
    It would roll through the roots and rocks better, though...
    Definitely.

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    If Turner comes out with a 120mm travel TAPERED HT Sultan and you were able to run a reliable 140mm fork paired with Salso Gordo Rims or Stan's Flows, you'd not need a Spot.

    I'm waiting on pulling the trigger to replace my '08 Sultan until the end of the season/beg 2011 in the hopes that Turner does a tapered HT. If not the Intense Tracer 29er is it and will replace my 26er tracer and Sultan, and I'll start saving for an RFX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by insighter
    What do you prefer for aggressive riding on technical trails? Of the Turners, that is...
    Of the currently available models, the 5 Spot is a pretty mean ride. I've spent a good deal of time on the prototype RFX also, and damn, that thing can slay the big stuff and still feels nimble like a Spot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thefriar
    There's rideable trail in these parts right now? Where? Coastal CT is snowy mush, and inland is soft slushy snow... guess further north where its colder?

    I think a 5 Spot with a 36 TALAS would be a solid x-stuntery type rig for these parts. Would make a good everything except DH/FR days bike. I feel like a Flux might not be close to enough for the trails like Vietnam, Millers Pond, and Trumbull. I'll take my Sultan to Millers, but leave it home for Trumbull and Vietnam, although I'm curious how far an '08 sultan can be pushed...
    Martha's Vineyard. It's amazing what 6 miles of ocean does. Although it's not technical here, but that's OK because I don't mind travelling.

    I rode a 4" bike and Evil Imperials in Lynn and Vietnam for years, all comes down to what you are comfortable with. Personally, I'd ride the dw Spot or RFX prototype there now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _dw
    . Personally, I'd ride the dw Spot or RFX prototype there now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aixelsyd
    Come and ride Otis Sunday, I promise I won't take any spy shots of the RFX
    I would love to but I just got back from a week of vacation and I need to get some work done this weekend!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by _dw
    Martha's Vineyard. It's amazing what 6 miles of ocean does. Although it's not technical here, but that's OK because I don't mind travelling.

    I rode a 4" bike and Evil Imperials in Lynn and Vietnam for years, all comes down to what you are comfortable with. Personally, I'd ride the dw Spot or RFX prototype there now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trailadvent
    How about some shots of your proto RFX in action dw ?

    I will do that for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by _dw
    I will do that for sure.
    Hey dw any chance you can hook up for a day of fun with me and my crew this summer either at Lynn Woods or School St.? One of my loooong time riding buddies and over all good good friends used to work for you @ e-13......Also do you or have you any time on a DW-Sultan? Thanks...CF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _dw
    I will do that for sure.
    Fantastic, this is what I love about this forum, look fwd to that
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    I'm getting desperate enough I might just be tempted to take a ferry and my sultan for some trail riding. Wonder if block is fine too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by aixelsyd
    Come and ride Otis Sunday, I promise I won't take any spy shots of the RFX
    I am sending you a PM about when you are riding to see if I can join you. On my 05 Spot, which apparently is not enough for NE???? It's snowing pretty hard here the last few days, but a 'wintry mix', so wet. not much accumulation (less than an inch). Fri and Sat are forecast warm, so Sun could be fine.

    I have been riding hardtails in NE until recently when I picked up my used spot (which is too fun!). I do not think you can give a blanket statement about NE.. Lots of different kinds of trails. Lots of people on lots of different bikes. I rode a Highline and skunkty's rfx before getting the spot, which i totally dig. Depends on your riding style and location.

    DW - I live in Falmouth, drop the kids at school in Woods Hole in the morning and would love to try to hook up for a Tuesday ride this spring. Send me a PM if that is possible. I would just come across on the ferry for a ride, then go back afterwards. I have Tuesdays off this semester (professional day...). Are your trails riding distance from OB or VH?
    edit: _dw looks like you don't accept PMs or anything... so let me know via PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CRAZY FRED
    Hey dw any chance you can hook up for a day of fun with me and my crew this summer either at Lynn Woods or School St.? One of my loooong time riding buddies and over all good good friends used to work for you @ e-13......Also do you or have you any time on a DW-Sultan? Thanks...CF.
    Absolutely! Provided that my shoulder is working by then I'm all about it. I've spent some time on the dw-Sultan and I have a new one here that I am building up. I'm more of a 26" kind of guy but there are very few bikes out there that I don't enjoy riding.. Who is your e13 buddy?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thefriar
    I'm getting desperate enough I might just be tempted to take a ferry and my sultan for some trail riding. Wonder if block is fine too...
    You should do it, the trails are sweet right now. Just a little soggy from light snow melt but not bad at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jh_on_the_cape
    I am sending you a PM about when you are riding to see if I can join you. On my 05 Spot, which apparently is not enough for NE???? It's snowing pretty hard here the last few days, but a 'wintry mix', so wet. not much accumulation (less than an inch). Fri and Sat are forecast warm, so Sun could be fine.

    I have been riding hardtails in NE until recently when I picked up my used spot (which is too fun!). I do not think you can give a blanket statement about NE.. Lots of different kinds of trails. Lots of people on lots of different bikes. I rode a Highline and skunkty's rfx before getting the spot, which i totally dig. Depends on your riding style and location.

    DW - I live in Falmouth, drop the kids at school in Woods Hole in the morning and would love to try to hook up for a Tuesday ride this spring. Send me a PM if that is possible. I would just come across on the ferry for a ride, then go back afterwards. I have Tuesdays off this semester (professional day...). Are your trails riding distance from OB or VH?
    edit: _dw looks like you don't accept PMs or anything... so let me know via PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skunkty14
    If you're on the 26" wheel thing I think I spot could handle it, you just won't have the comfort factor of the slacker angles of an RFX (keep in mind that a spot w/ a 36 is about as slack as my older RFX is). I still think that under a good rider a Sultan w/ the right build would kill it and hold up to the abuse. My e-riding option is that 95% of stuff you'd throw at a spot a sultan could handle.
    Well said Skunkty. I have a '08 RFX and DW Spot, and with a 160mm fork the Spot is easily the better all around bike. Still not quite lift service material for most riders, but if you're decently smooth it will eat up X-stuntry type stuff.

    The Sultan can hold its own when it comes to aggressive riding too, and would also make an excellent choice. The wheel size is obviously going to be the deciding factor between the Spot and Sultan, as they truly do cover almost the exact same portion of the riding spectrum. That's not just e-speculation either, check out the Riding Gauge on their respective pages at Turner's website.

    I used to think the Sultan was the more versatile bike, but with the addition of the DW link might give a slight edge to the Spot. Either way, you'll have a bike that will be well equipped to handle most terrain you'll cover this side of a ski resort. Choose wisely though, 'cuz it gets expensive if you want one of each.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miles e
    I used to think the Sultan was the more versatile bike, but with the addition of the DW link might give a slight edge to the Spot.
    Did anyone else hear that noise? I think Miles just got locked out of the 29er board ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nybike1971
    I think Miles just got locked out of the 29er board ...
    One can hope...

    I still very much appreciate the benefits of big wheels (i.e. stability and traction), but also recognize that these same benefits can be found to a large degree in a 26" bike with a slacker head angle and longer travel that is not over-damped. The DW Link lets you enjoy those niceties in a bike without some of the drawbacks typically associated with them (e.g. wallowing in the travel, front end wandering on climbs, etc.).
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    Quote Originally Posted by miles e
    One can hope...

    I still very much appreciate the benefits of big wheels (i.e. stability and traction), but also recognize that these same benefits can be found to a large degree in a 26" bike with a slacker head angle and longer travel that is not over-damped. The DW Link lets you enjoy those niceties in a bike without some of the drawbacks typically associated with them (e.g. wallowing in the travel, front end wandering on climbs, etc.).
    thanks for the input Miles. It is possible that i may be moving to the NE area and have seen your posts before and you seem to know what you are talking about. As such I would probably then just sell my 29ers in advance of the move if it happens. thanks again

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Anti Bling
    As such I would probably then just sell my 29ers in advance of the move if it happens.
    Unless there are other factors pushing you towards that decision (difficulty in moving the bikes, buyers already lining up for them, etc), I would just wait and decide for yourself. As noted in this thread, NE terrain can vary pretty dramatically from one area to the next, and even within a given locale you'll likely find riders on all types of bikes.

    There is certainly no shortage of 29"ers here these days- 26" hardtails are starting to get pretty rare, and 29" FS bikes seem to be gaining more widespread acceptance. A lot of the benefits associated with big wheels come in quite handy on "typical" NE trails, but ultimately it comes down to what feel a particular rider is looking for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miles e
    Unless there are other factors pushing you towards that decision (difficulty in moving the bikes, buyers already lining up for them, etc), I would just wait and decide for yourself. As noted in this thread, NE terrain can vary pretty dramatically from one area to the next, and even within a given locale you'll likely find riders on all types of bikes.

    There is certainly no shortage of 29"ers here these days- 26" hardtails are starting to get pretty rare, and 29" FS bikes seem to be gaining more widespread acceptance. A lot of the benefits associated with big wheels come in quite handy on "typical" NE trails, but ultimately it comes down to what feel a particular rider is looking for.
    thanks for the followup Miles. Those are good points.

    Your input is appreciated and other than yours, I generally take serious input from cactuscorn, jaybo, and derby, who also have gained my respect. Jncarpeneter is a bit annoying otherwise I am sure his input would be valuable. Thanks again

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Anti Bling
    Your input is appreciated and other than yours, I generally take serious input from cactuscorn, jaybo, and derby, who also have gained my respect. Jncarpeneter is a bit annoying otherwise I am sure his input would be valuable. Thanks again
    No problem. Look me up if you come to MA, I would love to check out the Foskey.
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    BWahaha! Busted!


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    BWahaha! Busted!
    what are you talking about? dont you have a cage match to prepare for or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Anti Bling
    what are you talking about? dont you have a cage match to prepare for or something?
    Whatever....antibling123


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