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    Proposed Highline Build - Thoughts?

    So my frame is on the way, and started a build list. Input would be greatly appreciated. My current calculations have this a pound or two over 35. FYI, this will be my "trail+++" bike; which I'd also like to take to my local bike parks [for moderate abuse] in northern California (Tahoe). Thus the slant towards lighter components; but still strong.

    Frame: '08 Highline (M)
    Shock: DHX 5.0
    Fork: Totem Solo Air
    Rims: DT 5.1
    Hubs: I9 Enduro
    Tires: Nevegal 2.35
    Crankset: Gravity Lite
    Chain Guide: e.13 DRS
    FD/RD: X9
    Bars: Gravity Lite
    Stem: Thomson X4 (1.5 x 31.8)
    Headset: CK No Thread
    Brakeset: Juicy Five (160 mm rotors)
    Saddle: Fizik Zeak
    Seat Post: Thomson Elite

    P.S. Sorry; forgot my manners - hello, my name is Kevin, live in Fairfax, CA and am converting from a decade on Cannondales. Plan to swap out my Judge for a DHR next season!

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    Hi kevin- I saw a lot of pinch flats on my Highline with the Nevegals. They have been my favorate tire on my RFX, but are not ideal with the Highline. Much more bike then tire IMO. I'd look for something that splits the diff between a dual ply and the Neve.

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    I'm no bike wizard, but I'd say get yourself some bigger brakes. At least 185mm rotors, especially if you're a bigger guy. I can't imagine them adding that much more weight.

    What's your weight?

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    Def consider some other brakes... Formula T1s will stop a freight train and don't weigh much more than XC brakes.

    Tires: Maxxis Ardents I've been running them on my HL and am very impressed.
    Chain Guide. E13 kicks arse. Black Spire Stinger does too, for much less.
    Gravity Light crankset. I have it and like it. Easy to work with and look good.
    Stem: I just bought the X4 stem. Seems good enough, but sorta wimpy compared to the Deity which ain't that heavy considering it's monster size.
    I've got the CK headset. No complaints.
    Sram shifters and Ders...very reliable and tuneable, and keep their set.

    Shock: DHX it's a fine placeholder till your Avalanche arrives.
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    Absolutely no reason why you shouldn't be running an 8" rotor on the front (6 is ok on back) unless you'll only be riding this bike on the road.

    The rest of the build is pretty damned good. I predict good times lay ahead.
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    Bigger rotors and maybe bigger tyres.

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    You got like the escalante with low-profile tires build
    Or maybe it's track pants and dress shoes?

    Don't mean to come off as a downer, but those wheels& tires are 5-spot league, way too light for a 7"+ bike (unless it will only see XC riding, which ain't right). Likewise a 160mm front rotor on a highline just ain't gonna work. Go straight to 203mm, not even much of a weight gain.

    If you want to keep it light for trail riding, maybe pick up and air shock and two sets of (possibly cheaper) wheels; a mid weight set i.e. 5.1's and 2.35 tires for trail riding, and maybe some azonic outlaws with 2.5 DH tires or similar for park use.

    There's sensibly light, but going as light as you're proposing will just cripple the bike and cost you money as you explore the frames potential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin G
    Frame: '08 Highline (M)
    Shock: DHX 5.0 (rp23 for trail riding, coil for FR/DH. as 'zilla says, avy's are worth the $$)
    Fork: Totem Solo Air
    Rims: DT 5.1 (I think the static weight of the frame might taco these!)
    Hubs: I9 Enduro (i'd pass, save money here to put towards 2nd shock and wheel options)
    Tires: Nevegal 2.35 (for trail riding only. You'll want DH 2.5's for anything tech/ DH)
    Crankset: Gravity Lite
    Chain Guide: e.13 DRS (Great area to save weight; blackspire stinger!)
    FD/RD: X9
    Bars: Gravity Lite
    Stem: Thomson X4 (1.5 x 31.8)
    Headset: CK No Thread
    Brakeset: Juicy Five (160 mm rotors) (203 front at least, or both ends. 160's don't belong on 7" bikes!)
    Saddle: Fizik Zeak
    Seat Post: Thomson Elite

    Pedals & chain?

    By the way, I don't want to start a I-9 hater threadjack here, as their wheels do look sweet. But: I was in downieville a few weeks ago and had a good laugh at one of the shops, a dude was there on vacation with some blingy I-9 wheels. First ride he caught a stick in the spokes and tore 3 out. The shop guys weren't stoked to work on the wheels at all, and regardless it was going to take at least 5 days for spokes to arrive. No thanks!

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    Like what BZ and FM have to say, 2nder..

    If I was buiding one I'd be going with there recs and the others, they just stated all the main ones for me!, FMs got lots of experience with the different options as well!

    I am a huge Thomson fan but I wouldn't run one on an FR bike or DH just me, I also have some Deity stuff and the stiffness and sheer brutal control it gives you is impressive!, If ya don't like them then look at the new Cromag or Burgtec stuff looks light but bootylicous, its all about size, or so I'm told

    Bars GLs go wide 800, wicked really are, I only get to hold mine but ohh feels good..

    I run the DT 5.1s sometimes on my RFX but still find em a bit light for nar, no way would I have em on an HL even if I was a light guy, FLY
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    well you guys have this 1 covered. listen to em kg. theys no dummies. oh.... and congrats!
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    Just FYI, I don't think the Totem will take anything less than a 200mm rotor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    Don't mean to come off as a downer, but those wheels& tires are 5-spot league, way too light for a 7"+ bike (unless it will only see XC riding, which ain't right).
    This is going to be a heavy trailbike according to the OP with occasional trips to the resort for "moderate abuse".

    The DT 5.1 can handle moderate abuse. The IH Sunday Elite comes stock with them (not that I would recommend that application). No, they are not a freeride rim, but can handle quite a bit of abuse. Not bad advice to have a cheap back up (Azonic Outlaws) for resort use, though.
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    I'd be looking into some 5" rotors to lighten it up a bit. Hayes, and I believe Avid, both make 5" dia. rotors....that would certainly trail-bike it up nice [and make your bike look pseudo-29'er ish].

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    are you happy with the zeak? personally i have a more xc saddle as my highline is my all day every day bike. but horses for courses.

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    Thanks for the comments so far!

    I'm fairly thin; weigh about 170 and am 5'10"; thus the smaller rotors for this bike should hopefully be fine. I ran a similar set up on my Prophet and put that through some serious abuse (including park DH) with no braking problems. My DH bike has Codes with 8" rotors, so I do realize the difference. But point taken. Maybe I'll run 7" rotors instead?

    Tires, I already have a set of the 2.35 Nevegals in my garage so I may just give 'em a go; but point taken. Maybe an ideal set up would be a 2.5 in the front and 2.35 in the rear.

    Never tried the Zeak - just scoping it for now. Maybe a more XC saddle would be better.

    Deity - love their stuff; had the 31.8 stem and bars (last year's version) on my Prophet, as well as DH/FR saddle. Maybe I'll swap in their lighter '08 stem/bar combo.

    What would y'all propose as a good light replacement for the I9s? Or what about the DH/FR hubs laced to DT 6.1s?

    Pedals, I left these off since it seems like a very personal choice. Am currently a big fan of Funn Viper Soljam flats.

    Chain, was thinking the SRAM PC-971 since apparently it fits well with the X9 equipment.

    You boys rock. Since I have a wedding coming up, this build will happen slower than I'd like. Another question, in case I scope out used Totems, what are your steer tubes cut at?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin G
    Maybe I'll run 7" rotors instead?
    Another question, in case I scope out used Totems, what are your steer tubes cut at?
    It's been stated already but here it is from the SRAM website regarding the Totem:
    Lowers Magnesium, Maxle 360 20mm axle, post mount disc (203mm min rotor)
    I need 8.25" of steerer with my fork on a L Highline with Pig headset, Deity stem (Churr ) and a 5mm spacer on top.

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    Thanks; am upping to 203s.

    P.S. Am also wondering about the new 2009 Saint line (for crankset and derailleurs); haven't seen weights yet though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin G
    Thanks; am upping to 203s.

    P.S. Am also wondering about the new 2009 Saint line (for crankset and derailleurs); haven't seen weights yet though.
    nsmb.com has the weights and good article.

    I think you'd need to run heavier/bigger tires with the 5.1's or risk damaging the rims. 6.1's are heavy.

    to get around 35 you'd need to run a air shock and single plys, want to buy my dhx air?

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    Nice build idea, mine is very similar and I've taken every measure to keep it reasonably light while still very strong (38lbs).

    With wheels, I'd reccomend running the DT 6.1FRs. True, they are about 120 grams heavier than the 5.1, but are really much better suited to freeriding and heavy trail riding and will feel as rock solid as your Highline should. I have the DT6.1s on King hubs on my Highline and love them. If you weigh out the build (32 spoke plenty), they are not much over 2,000 grams, not bad at all for a strong wheelset. I have the same reservations with the I9 wheels, they sure seem great, but might be a real B to fix/get fixed if something gets screwy, Kings are very simple and easy and the spokes are standard.

    Funny with the wedding situation, I have one coming up in October and am taking the opposite approach... spending every penny now on my Highline, fearing the spending will come to a screeching halt after marriage!

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    As already said, bigger tires and bigger rotors. At present I'm 175lbs and my M4's with 8" rotors are just what the doctor ordered. Wouldn't think of going smaller, a heavy bike and heavy wheels need some good 1-2 finger grabbers to slow it down. I actually downgraded from hope 8" moto's with the vented rotors because they were way too strong for me, 1 finger braking! My kid will use them on his bike, but he's 235lbs.

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    How much lighter would switching to a DHX Air be?

    NoShirt> That's the spirit; I guess spending so much on the wedding itself makes me feel guilty for pouring simultaneously into the Highline fund - although a "bike build registry" would be great!

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    no reason to go 203 on both ends. matter of fact, id say at yer weight and intent, a 203 will lock up constantly in back. consider a 203/180 combo if ya think a 160 is too small which it may not be. with that said, sparrow has been toutin the use of tiny 5" rotors in back, even on his tandom, and he did that long before he lost 40 lbs over the winter. joker may be right. think on it.

    at 5'9"/165 lbs just outta the shower, i run 2.35 minion dhf's on 5.1's laced to 340's via supercomps on my xc-ish rfx and they work sweet for anything but sharp rocks and dh runs. keeps things light and fun. for the bigger days i run 2.5 nev/bg's and sometime bust out the old 521 wheelset. the 2 set idea is a sound one.
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    about a full pound. do it! aw is almost outta beer money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin G
    Thanks for the comments so far!

    I'm fairly thin; weigh about 170 and am 5'10"; thus the smaller rotors for this bike should hopefully be fine. I ran a similar set up on my Prophet and put that through some serious abuse (including park DH) with no braking problems. My DH bike has Codes with 8" rotors, so I do realize the difference. But point taken. Maybe I'll run 7" rotors instead?

    Tires, I already have a set of the 2.35 Nevegals in my garage so I may just give 'em a go; but point taken. Maybe an ideal set up would be a 2.5 in the front and 2.35 in the rear.

    Never tried the Zeak - just scoping it for now. Maybe a more XC saddle would be better.

    Deity - love their stuff; had the 31.8 stem and bars (last year's version) on my Prophet, as well as DH/FR saddle. Maybe I'll swap in their lighter '08 stem/bar combo.

    What would y'all propose as a good light replacement for the I9s? Or what about the DH/FR hubs laced to DT 6.1s?

    Pedals, I left these off since it seems like a very personal choice. Am currently a big fan of Funn Viper Soljam flats.

    Chain, was thinking the SRAM PC-971 since apparently it fits well with the X9 equipment.

    You boys rock. Since I have a wedding coming up, this build will happen slower than I'd like. Another question, in case I scope out used Totems, what are your steer tubes cut at?
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    Nah those Nevs are way to thin and light, Mins but I like Zillas suggestion Ardents look the biz 2.4 ear 2.5 front 2ply! forget the weight build up a great wheelset!

    Speaking of which not knockin the 6.1s or I9s but since ya Wedding is on ya mind I'd go Hadley's /Hopes, Im a Hadley fan, choose ya 6.1s and spokes to suit!

    Agree totaly with CC 203/180 should be perfect esspecailly for your weight/Ones ya probably could go 180/180 if ya not in Europe
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    Quote Originally Posted by cactuscorn
    no reason to go 203 on both ends. matter of fact, id say at yer weight and intent, a 203 will lock up constantly in back.
    If you'll be visiting whistler or anywhere else where you can bag 4300' in a single run, doing multiple runs a day in mixed conditions, bigger brakes start to make sense. There's not much weight gained by larger rotors, the biggest difference will be more in fatigue than performance. 203/180 is probably a good compromise especially since you live in dry climates.

    Upper whistler's opening soon, We're looking at a few weeks of steep double-black rock & loam runs covered with snow, thatís 203mm territory for sure! (I'm 175lbs by the way

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    OK; am thinking about this for a wheelset as opposed to I9:

    Hubs: CK ISO
    Rims: DT 6.1
    Spokes: DT Champion

    Thoughts? It would be about $100 cheaper and 200g heavier; but indeed easier to repair/maintain. And just about as sexy.

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    Don't go CK 150 rear unless you want the chainline problems Zilla's experienced (unless he's fixed it?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6thElement
    Don't go CK 150 rear unless you want the chainline problems Zilla's experienced (unless he's fixed it?)
    true dat. i9 makes a nice standard spoke hub ya know. i have nuthin but good things to say about my dt's but they lack the mega engagement of the other 2.
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    So CK 135 rear? Right now just considering CK as an alternate to I9. It'll be hard not to give those Asheville boys my $.

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    wrong. the hl is a 150 rear. prob is the king 150's produce a shytty chainline as the freehub body sits way far inside to the hubshell. for whatever reason they know this but so far refuse to fix it. very strange for a company thats so in tune with product design and quality. i say get some i9 j bend hubs laced to 5.1's with supercomps for trail days and somethin stouter for big hill shuttle/lift days. the outlaws get alot of love around here as ya can see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin G
    So CK 135 rear? Right now just considering CK as an alternate to I9. It'll be hard not to give those Asheville boys my $.
    The highline takes a 150mm rear hub. You could get the I-9 hub and use standard spokes.

    I'm very happy with my DT FR440. It's light enough, has good engagement, low maintenance and easy to maintain, fairly cheap and it comes in BLACK!

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    hey, doesnt the hl use a 150 rear hub? i guess he could get a i9 150mm hub and use standard j bend spokes.... couldnt he??
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    I have no problems at all with my King 150 rear hub/Saint crank combo. Whats the problem supposed to be?

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    I just rode my Highline at Mount 7 http://www.theforcegazette.com/itool...nd_Mt.7_Heaven. I didn't do the insane race course start but did rid top to bottom.

    Next day at Kicking Horse resort http://www.kickinghorseresort.com/activities/biking/ and got onto some trails that were just too steep.

    Lessons learned.

    Dump the Juicies. Even with 203/185 they faded.

    Totem solo air is good so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin G
    So CK 135 rear? Right now just considering CK as an alternate to I9. It'll be hard not to give those Asheville boys my $.
    Dude, stick with the I9 wheelset. A monkey with a mallet can change the bearings on these hubs. I have 2 sets of these wheels after YEARS of riding Kings and there is simply no comparison on ease of maintenance. Plus, the I9's preload collar doesn't come loose like Kings. Support the locals.

    You're a light guy, how big are you gonna go? If not that big, save some weight on cranks and keep the coil shock. Are you keeping a lighter bike for trail riding? If so, I don't want to hear another freakin' word about weight savings on the HL.
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    Maybe you'd be better off with the current RFX so you can push for sub-30#.
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    Has the CK 150 hub issue been reported with others aside from Bikezilla? I have the same set up, and same cranks, but didn't notice any issue. But of course now I'm worried!

    I hesitate to recommend the 6.1's, unless the newer ones have been fixed. They are the hardest rims I have ever oned as far as removing/installing tires.

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    Chainline issues

    I'm another one running Chris King 150s with no dreaded "chainline" issues. I'd say if you are having a problem, maybe work on your spacing at the bottom bracket/crankset on the drive side. Wouldn't running I9s with j-bend spokes kind of defeat the purpose of even choosing them over Kings. IMO Kings are the simplest hubs ever and the bearing preload shouldn't really come loose except for break-in and is way easy to adjust on the trail anyway.
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    NoShirt,
    Are you running a double chainring up front?

    Could you post a photo from the driveside of the hub? I'm curious about how much space you have btwn the cassette and the dropouts.




    I've tried a dozen different combinations of spacers, Fders and other alignment methods up front but it still pulls the chain off when running largest two cogs with the middler ring. As it stands now I have the front chainring more or less at the normal chainline position.
    CK said their engineers are looking at the issue.
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    I've been running a Saint double crank with the CK 150 rear and haven't noticed any chainline or shifting problems. I'll post a picture when I get home if you want.

    Is that an XT cassette?

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    Yes it's an XT cassette.
    I see NS is running the Gravity Light double ring Crankset. (Same pedals too)
    NS what model Fder is that as well?




    I'm really curious to see the cassette spacing for other folks with a CK 150mm hub.

    Do you think another cassette would be spaced differently? I don't see how.
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    I was just curious. I've had enormous problems with out-of-spec XT cassettes in the past, to the point that I refuse to run them anymore (especially with King hubs). My problems were that they were slightly too narrow and loose on the freehub body, so they refused to stay tight when riding (I know the pain of having to carry a lockring tool and wrench on the trail to tighten your cassette every 5 miles or so). I eventually switched to SRAM cassettes and the problem totally disappeared.

    I don't necessarily see how that could cause massive chainline issues though. Just for statistics sake, I do wonder what cassette NoShirt is running.

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    Yeah, I've read about the lockring loose cassette problem. This is unrelated. I've been lucky enough to dodge that bullet on several cassettes on either hub.
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    Zilla,
    I'm running a CK 150 and a SRAM cassette, and I have the same size space between the cassette and dropout as you. Also, two rings up front, gravity light cranks, don't remember the Shimano Fder model.

    The chainline is less than optimal, but I can pedal/ride in the middle ring / largest cog. The chain will move a 1-3 cogs down the cassette if I pedal backwards. I don't usually notice or have a problem while riding, but I figure it will wear out the chain, cassette and middle ring faster than usual and require more precise tuning of the shifting and derailleurs.

    Keep us posted if CK comes up with a solution. Depending on how it rides over the next few weeks or months, I may ditch the hub, go to a single ring up front, or just change my shifting patterns.

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    Tnx, MIA.
    I'm going to get a new XT Fder and see if it helps any. I've been using an M761A at the moment.
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    Again, I plan to get a DHR for true gnar/steeep DH; and plan to use the High for trail riding and some bike park fun. After the DHR maybe I'll add a Spot for a light XC bike; although I'm not a big fan of XC. And by trail riding, I do mean drops, rock gardens, etc. - we gots good stuff here in NorCal.

    So what rims do y'all recommend over the 6.1s? Mavic 721s? 823s?

    And what better crankset? Thought the Gravity Lite was a good light and sturdy one.

    Brakes - so I'll swap out the Juicys for Code 5s. Any other suggestions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla
    Tnx, MIA.
    I'm going to get a new XT Fder and see if it helps any. I've been using an M761A at the moment.

    Dude don't do it, X9 or Xgen, and put atleast a Sram rear cassette on there, I can't believe ya haven't done that yet

    Apol Zilla not trying to get on yer case but I been through those issues years ago ex Shimano days why Im so anti shim trans, thats a couple of months now with those issues gotta be srcewing with the fun factor, just want to dee ya enjoying that stunning puppy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin G
    And by trail riding, I do mean drops, rock gardens, etc. - we gots good stuff here in NorCal.

    So what rims do y'all recommend over the 6.1s? Mavic 721s? 823s??
    Good deal, in that case definitely consider the bigger rotors and tires as suggested.

    I'm definitely happy with my Mavic 823's. In the winter I throw 2.35's on and it's no problem climbing muddy fire roads. In the summer I throw the DH 2.5's on and they're up for local, whistler and northshore double-black diamond treats. 2nd season at 180lbs and they are holding up well.

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    I dig the EX823s strong and stiff as hell.
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    Hey guys,

    I can't get a picture until after work (if I can remember). I am running a Sram 990 cassette and the front der is a simple Shimano Deore, rear is XO short cage. I haven't ever had any issues running in any gear combo. Wonder if its the cassette?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoShirt
    Hey guys,

    I can't get a picture until after work (if I can remember). I am running a Sram 990 cassette and the front der is a simple Shimano Deore, rear is XO short cage. I haven't ever had any issues running in any gear combo. Wonder if its the cassette?
    What Dawg you aint got hook up to the crackberry no way

    Besides we only been harping @ zilla about it for the last 3 pages, hes a stubborn one, it took us atleast 3 threads for Scuby and me to get him to drop to 50mm stem and go wide bars, LOL..

    Its been an issue even with 135mm hubs way back we had this discussion back in 04 or 05 or something, never bothered me cause I run sram anyways, but it is stange CK or Shimano haven't looked at this yet go and create and invest in a new hub standard without even looking at this one, CKs could come standard with stainless or Ti cassette bodies too that would be nice

    I'm not a CK hater I would buy there hubs again cause I love the Ring Drive and admire its engineering, though I would like to see a true 10mm bolt thru option rather than just fun bolts!, wit Hadley long time favs as well I9s knocking the doors down, DT Swiss, Hopes there's alot of good hubs around no doubt others too and pawl vs RD is not as big an issue nowadays as all these and others are so well made.

    Zilla loves his XTs, I would have thought he'd be running a gold cassette like this and Ti

    Not sure what the spacing is like and dam its expensive but nothing less for that beast I reckon its a dam hawt rig now hes got some RW bars and the 50mm Thom combo is looking BADD ASS!


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    i have a friend whos a cruise liner skipper. he says codes make excellent anchors. i thought this was gonna be a light build? maybe we mentioned formulas or maguras before. hellbay has deals on both right now.
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    Not familiar with them Formulas or Maguras - recommendations? I know me Codes - got 'em on the DH bike and I know the latest versions are lighter. Advantage to them: easy one finger braking. Makes one spoiled.

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    Well codes on the right bike imo are awesome, I didn;t find the heavy, there's lighter sets around but theyre great brakes, just sayig if the price was right nab em ya can run smaller rotors, but ok for a Spot, wieght to much maybe for even a new XC RFX

    But HL perfect imo, ohh front nose wheelies on these babies are so much fun, and they rock oh DH and mud no dade amazing control in nasty conditions, well thats what I found
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    squish runs codes so ive felt those. also popular with some of the sanchez crowd. most of the guys mentioned are 220 plus so they need alot of brake. big and powerfull, thats for sure. just questioning if theyre the right stopper for a guy yer size on that bike.

    formula has a few models i like. the k18's are a less adjustable vesion of the k-24 and the ones are the new hot shyt.

    magura makes a louise that pretty much rocks from '06 to '07 and the new '08 is better still from a service standpoint. the loise fr is the same thing in black. i hear good and bad about pre '06 louise brakes.
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    So here's the latest specs. Frame finally arrived at my local shop. Stoked to get this built!

    Frame: '08 Highline, Raw, M
    Rear Shock: DHX Coil
    Fork: Totem Solo Air
    Rims: 823
    Hubs: I9 DH/FR
    Spokes: I9 .110"
    F Tire: Minion DHF UST
    R Tire: Minion DHR UST
    Cassette: SRAM PG-970
    Pedals: Funn Viper Soljam
    Crankset: Deity Vendetta
    BB: Deity Vendetta
    Chain Guide + Bash: MRP System 3 Mini-Me Alloy
    Ring: Deity Revolution 4B 34T
    Chain: SRAM PC-971
    RD: X9 Short
    Shifter: X9
    Handlebars: Deity 2014
    Stem: Deity Fantom
    Headset: CK No Thread
    Brakeset: Code 5
    Rotors: 203F/185R
    Saddle: Fizik Zeak
    Seat Post: Thomson Elite
    Bar End Caps: Deity Lifesaver
    Grips: Oury Lock Ons

    Weight calculation coming just under 40 lbs (would be 38 with DHX Air). Latest changes reflect Deity component integration and one ring instead of two (how often do you Highline riders actually use the granny?). Thoughts, boys?

    Problem: have to wait 6-8 weeks for I9 wheels to be built. Argh!

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    6-8 weeks? It will be September before we get to see the final product?

    I love the Vendettas... Only down side was that I don't read well and installation was a PITA.

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    I heard that; will probably have my shop help with installation. I have a question in to Eric @ Deity on whether I can run the crankset with ring and guide/bash as listed above. How do you like just running a 34T? Am thinking that way as well; a good balance for one-ring riding. Figured my legs will get stronger and that the granny wouldn't be used too much. Plus you get to run a better (more effective) chain guide!

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    It did help that Eric called me back after I left him a message (on a Friday after hours) to help me out. Anyways, you can run a bash with that setup. I had the same question but decided to use the SuperSpider anyways. Climbing with the single ring is kind of a pain in the shorts but I think I'll get used to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin G
    Latest changes reflect Deity component integration and one ring instead of two (how often do you Highline riders actually use the granny?).
    Now sure if it's different where you live, but I use my granny gear all the time on my highline. The reason being, the best local FR trails require long climbs to access the goods, thus keeping them relatively secret. Otherwise they'd be over-run & trashed by lazy shuttling kids and their teenage girlfriends, which leads to immediate shut-down.

    A granny also helps when you are hauling tools and beer to your own secret trail stash

    Does depend on how you're gonna use the bike though, if you aren't gonna climb even with a granny gear then there's no point in having one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin G
    So here's the latest specs. Frame finally arrived at my local shop. Stoked to get this built!

    Frame: '08 Highline, Raw, M
    Rear Shock: DHX Coil
    Fork: Totem Solo Air
    Rims: 823
    Hubs: I9 DH/FR
    Spokes: I9 .110"
    F Tire: Minion DHF UST
    R Tire: Minion DHR UST
    Cassette: SRAM PG-970
    Pedals: Funn Viper Soljam
    Crankset: Deity Vendetta
    BB: Deity Vendetta
    Chain Guide + Bash: MRP System 3 Mini-Me Alloy
    Ring: Deity Revolution 4B 34T
    Chain: SRAM PC-971
    RD: X9 Short
    Shifter: X9
    Handlebars: Deity 2014
    Stem: Deity Fantom
    Headset: CK No Thread
    Brakeset: Code 5
    Rotors: 203F/185R
    Saddle: Fizik Zeak
    Seat Post: Thomson Elite
    Bar End Caps: Deity Lifesaver
    Grips: Oury Lock Ons

    Weight calculation coming just under 40 lbs (would be 38 with DHX Air). Latest changes reflect Deity component integration and one ring instead of two (how often do you Highline riders actually use the granny?). Thoughts, boys?

    Problem: have to wait 6-8 weeks for I9 wheels to be built. Argh!
    Wow Kevin, nice build, Guess I missed your original post. Did you get the frame from Martin at Sunshine?

    For the life of me I would not change a thing. Deity stuff is uber nice.

    Perfect setup for Solstice.

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    Yes - Sunshine has it waiting for me. Indeed - can't wait to hit Solstice with it! Haven't ridden that trail since early spring. Am frustrated with the I9 wait time since I want this built and to ride it at Northstar before season ends! I think it'll also be a fun bike for Annadel; my other favorite "local" spot.


    Quote Originally Posted by TLL
    Wow Kevin, nice build, Guess I missed your original post. Did you get the frame from Martin at Sunshine?

    For the life of me I would not change a thing. Deity stuff is uber nice.

    Perfect setup for Solstice.

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    Question - so Kings hubs would definitely a no go (due to chain line reasons mentioned earlier) even if I'm running a single ring set up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin G
    Question - so Kings hubs would definitely a no go (due to chain line reasons mentioned earlier) even if I'm running a single ring set up?

    I wish there was an accurate answer for this, I think the jury's out, pobably for me there seems like too many varibles to risk it!

    I'd go Hadley anyway for me, anything DH or FR Hadley's my choice! I9s beyoned my pocket book for DH or FR hacking, ok if ya top racer need every ounce, thats just my logic, Im not knocking on Kings but this seems more prevelant with them than other hubs including cassesettes issues!

    I'd be wary unless running Sram and 135mm, I know I will get some flak for this but its allot of coin to be messing around with those issues imo, hopefully with some of the new stuff coming out theyve looked into this area a bit! I am a King fan, they do some cool stuff and bus wise!

    Um anyways its a nice looking build!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin G
    Yes - Sunshine has it waiting for me. Indeed - can't wait to hit Solstice with it! Haven't ridden that trail since early spring. Am frustrated with the I9 wait time since I want this built and to ride it at Northstar before season ends! I think it'll also be a fun bike for Annadel; my other favorite "local" spot.
    That setup will kill Annadel. And Northstar.
    Have fun!

    PS: I bet you could run Hadleys if Kings won't work. Gravy would probably know, as would Martin.

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    Question - so Kings hubs would definitely a no go (due to chain line reasons mentioned earlier) even if I'm running a single ring set up?
    I have King hubs on the Highline and I don't have any problems.

    I took measurements comparing the distance between the center of the smallest cog and the inside edge of the rear dropout for a SRAM PG990 cassette on either King hubs on the Highline (7mm) or I9 Enduro hubs on the RFX (4.5mm), which means the Kings are about 2.5mm offset (inward) from the I9s. The distance between any two cogs is about 4.5mm, to put that into perspective. I don't think you will have any trouble, especially since your planning to run a single ring.

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    Thanks for the input. Seems risky. I may just grab some cheap Outlaws to last me through DH park season while I wait for the I9s to be built.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin G
    Thanks for the input. Seems risky. I may just grab some cheap Outlaws to last me through DH park season while I wait for the I9s to be built.
    Similar wheels, I think they even may be made by them but look sweeter, some Transition Revoultions pretty cost effective too?

    Never go wrong with Hadley's 823s and DT 14gauge just saying! course wheelbuilder quality is ness req
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    TA - good suggestion w/ the TBCs; can't find 'em anywhere in stock though! Also considering Ringle ADDs...

    Edit: just noted that the TBCs only come in 135 rear spacing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin G
    TA - good suggestion w/ the TBCs; can't find 'em anywhere in stock though! Also considering Ringle ADDs...

    Edit: just noted that the TBCs only come in 135 rear spacing.
    Ahh yeah true I think they do a spacer setup for 150mm with there brake arm setup, not sure maybe too hard

    Go-ride have a good deal on those ringle wheels, free with a DHR
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin G
    Thanks for the input. Seems risky. I may just grab some cheap Outlaws to last me through DH park season while I wait for the I9s to be built.
    Kev, the Outlaws are stoopid cheap on eBay. TBCs are bet got thru TBC.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/OUTLAW-Wheelset-...2em118Q2el1247

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin G
    I heard that; will probably have my shop help with installation.

    How do you like just running a 34T? Am thinking that way as well; a good balance for one-ring riding. Figured my legs will get stronger and that the granny wouldn't be used too much. Plus you get to run a better (more effective) chain guide!
    I have tools, HS press etc, that you are welcome to borrow if Martin is not doing the build up. I'm in TL.

    FWIW, since building up the RFX I hardly ever use my granny round here, except on Burdell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TLL
    Kev, the Outlaws are stoopid cheap on eBay. TBCs are bet got thru TBC.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/OUTLAW-Wheelset-...2em118Q2el1247



    I have tools, HS press etc, that you are welcome to borrow if Martin is not doing the build up. I'm in TL.

    FWIW, since building up the RFX I hardly ever use my granny round here, except on Burdell.

    Thanks for the offer. My problem is, I only gots some tools, so will most likely resort to Sunshine. You think they'd do a good job?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin G
    Thanks for the offer. My problem is, I only gots some tools, so will most likely resort to Sunshine. You think they'd do a good job?
    Of all the shops in the area, I'd most trust Sunshine. Thing is, every shop around these parts has an XC bias--including Sunshine. no one really has a clue about fr/dh, except perhaps Eli over at Mt Tam bikes, and Drew and Jessica at Mikes. But I think Sunshine will do just fine, they have some killer mechs there. If you are getting most of your parts from them, they should do the build for free anyway. I wouldn't trust them to set up my shocks, but you can do that I'm sure.

    I'm stoked to see how your build turns out.

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    I've been abusing my Pricepoint Outlaws all season and only hd to tighten one spoke.

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    Quick question: what gear ratio do y'all recommend for this set up? Looking at a SRAM PG-970 cassette.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin G
    Quick question: what gear ratio do y'all recommend for this set up? Looking at a SRAM PG-970 cassette.
    Lotta climbing or flat, 34t,
    only occasionally climbing or flat, 32t
    mostly downhill, 27t

    I'll probably put a 34 or 32 on mine, for the gear range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin G
    Quick question: what gear ratio do y'all recommend for this set up? Looking at a SRAM PG-970 cassette.
    I use a 11-34, the 34 comes in handy for climbs like Loma Alta. But keep in mind, I'm old and slow so you might be able to get away with a 32.

    If you don't plan on doing much climbing then what Jayem said.

    does your wheelset have a Ti or steel freehub body? if not, you might want to go with a 990 cassette, as they less of a tendency to chew up alloy freehubs.
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    OK; sorry to keep re-hashing this. In the final rounds of speccing. Down to wheelset. Upped the cassette to a PG990 11-32, and running single ring up front. What are the votes for CK/823 vs. I9/823? Just wondering if it's worth it to wait for the I9s and run a cheaper wheelset in the interim; or just get the Chris King set up and be done with it! Thanks again, boys...

    P.S. TLL, respect to you for climbing Loma Alta; I usually push up that (at least with my past Cannondales)!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin G
    OK; sorry to keep re-hashing this. In the final rounds of speccing. Down to wheelset. Upped the cassette to a PG990 11-32, and running single ring up front. What are the votes for CK/823 vs. I9/823? Just wondering if it's worth it to wait for the I9s and run a cheaper wheelset in the interim; or just get the Chris King set up and be done with it! Thanks again, boys...

    P.S. TLL, respect to you for climbing Loma Alta; I usually push up that (at least with my past Cannondales)!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin G
    OK; sorry to keep re-hashing this. In the final rounds of speccing. Down to wheelset. Upped the cassette to a PG990 11-32, and running single ring up front. What are the votes for CK/823 vs. I9/823? Just wondering if it's worth it to wait for the I9s and run a cheaper wheelset in the interim; or just get the Chris King set up and be done with it! Thanks again, boys...

    P.S. TLL, respect to you for climbing Loma Alta; I usually push up that (at least with my past Cannondales)!
    You going for bling, weight, or both?

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    I just want a solid set of wheels; bling is cool too naturally, but not without killer performance.

    The weight seems to be the same for both set ups; ~2200g. Am trying to get my build to be a few pounds under 40. Right now it's sitting around 39. With an air shock it'll drop to 38. And there ain't no weight weenie pieces in there parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin G
    I just want a solid set of wheels; bling is cool too naturally, but not without killer performance.

    The weight seems to be the same for both set ups; ~2200g. Am trying to get my build to be a few pounds under 40. Right now it's sitting around 39. With an air shock it'll drop to 38. And there ain't no weight weenie pieces in there parts.
    People have been having good luck with Hope and 721's... I wish I would have tried that route since my bike weighs a little more than I wanted it to and I'm not exactly thrilled with all the UST choices.

    http://ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205868

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin G
    OK; sorry to keep re-hashing this. In the final rounds of speccing. Down to wheelset. Upped the cassette to a PG990 11-32, and running single ring up front. What are the votes for CK/823 vs. I9/823? Just wondering if it's worth it to wait for the I9s and run a cheaper wheelset in the interim; or just get the Chris King set up and be done with it! Thanks again, boys...

    P.S. TLL, respect to you for climbing Loma Alta; I usually push up that (at least with my past Cannondales)!
    Granted, I climb it very slowly. Chuff-n-puff.

    To be honest, I've done the "cheaper wheelset in the interim" and it can be a bit of a hassle.

    I'd proably go CKing. I know I9 are the bling, but CK is good stuff.

    Now, if you want to expand your choices somewhat you could also look at Hadley, which will be close to King. How close, I'm not sure. But there would probably be a wait for those as well, so I'd go CK. I had to wait a few weeks for my Hadleys.

    And Hope, while nice, are not in the same league.
    Hadley rear hub service here and here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TLL
    Granted, I climb it very slowly. Chuff-n-puff.

    To be honest, I've done the "cheaper wheelset in the interim" and it can be a bit of a hassle.

    I'd proably go CKing. I know I9 are the bling, but CK is good stuff.

    Now, if you want to expand your choices somewhat you could also look at Hadley, which will be close to King. How close, I'm not sure. But there would probably be a wait for those as well, so I'd go CK. I had to wait a few weeks for my Hadleys.

    And Hope, while nice, are not in the same league.
    Go ride has em so does pricepoint in 12x150mm in black too um

    I still think of Cks as XC hubs I kno they can take the abuse, Ive had em 3 years and abused hell out of em and would buy em again, Im just surprised here how many overlook Hadleys, I know Tiss had some issues but event he DH boys on RM ave about em, I still suspect like most things about the mountain bike its setup, and how ya look after them, allot of components unless ya have some base tools are neglected or just not understood!

    Maybe Ive been lucky but a number of us have run Kings weve not had any issues, same with Hadleys, but for bigger stuff I know where my money would be!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin G
    OK; some quick photos. Sorry for the poor quality. Initial build. To be ridden tomorrow!
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    nice job.....I want one!!
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    Very nice, very nice indeed! Those Deity cranks are killer.
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