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    Officially Turnerless.

    And that kinda makes me sad.
    The 5 Spot frame is on its way to a new home.

    In fact, I'm pretty much bikeless. I've been riding my old HH100x that I had given to my son last summer but both my regular bikes are sold.

    Can I still post here if I don't have a bike?

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    Nope, no posting allowed.

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    What will be your next bike ???????

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    New question here.

    you're really that sold on Knolly? what was the tipping point? Arizona trip? you must have ridden a Chilcotin a fair amount? since you've had a DT for years while owning a Turner during that same time, there must be something or 3 that really sent ya over the edge.
    ???
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    I'll answer for him. Too much anti-squat, not enough traction.
    Nice KOM, sorry about your penis.

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    Turner builds a great frame, and I'm plenty happy with my 11' Spot for aggresive riding. But lets face it, there is a hole in the Turner line up that other companies are filling right now. If your needs are a true AM-light freeride rig the reality is the RFX aint gonna happen and your looking elsewhere...but to say a well executed DW Link doesn't provide traction compared to Horst or 4x whatever in my opinion is comical.

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    I'm really interested in the whole 650b thing and have been really impressed with the 27.5" wheeled bikes I've ridden and loved my 5 Spot, so was really tempted by the Burner.

    Here's why I chose the Chilcotin:
    1. I'm not a dw-link hater.... in fact DT's version is really very good and for some things I actually like it better than Knolly... I just prefer the 4x4 linkage of the knolly for the riding I like the most (more chunky technical). I think it stays more active while climbing tech and feels more plush while descending it.
    2. I wanted a bike that could do most of what the 5 spot does and most of what my Delirium T does (did...), had 160mm of rear travel, but could still be built up in the 32 lbs range without breaking the bank. (Dave doesn't have a bike in his lineup like that....yet).

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    I was in the same situation, I was in the XC wilderness for 4 months with a niner dalliance, but the new Turner couldn't be better

    (not including my DHR )
    Rolling on 29", 650b, 8.3" and 23mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    I'm really interested in the whole 650b thing and have been really impressed with the 27.5" wheeled bikes I've ridden and loved my 5 Spot, so was really tempted by the Burner.

    Here's why I chose the Chilcotin:
    1. I'm not a dw-link hater.... in fact DT's version is really very good and for some things I actually like it better than Knolly... I just prefer the 4x4 linkage of the knolly for the riding I like the most (more chunky technical). I think it stays more active while climbing tech and feels more plush while descending it.
    2. I wanted a bike that could do most of what the 5 spot does and most of what my Delirium T does (did...), had 160mm of rear travel, but could still be built up in the 32 lbs range without breaking the bank. (Dave doesn't have a bike in his lineup like that....yet).
    w/ that being the goal of what you want, the Chilcotin should fill that need to a "T"(w/o the delerium)
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    I'm really interested in the whole 650b thing and have been really impressed with the 27.5" wheeled bikes I've ridden and loved my 5 Spot, so was really tempted by the Burner.

    Here's why I chose the Chilcotin:
    1. I'm not a dw-link hater.... in fact DT's version is really very good and for some things I actually like it better than Knolly... I just prefer the 4x4 linkage of the knolly for the riding I like the most (more chunky technical). I think it stays more active while climbing tech and feels more plush while descending it.
    2. I wanted a bike that could do most of what the 5 spot does and most of what my Delirium T does (did...), had 160mm of rear travel, but could still be built up in the 32 lbs range without breaking the bank. (Dave doesn't have a bike in his lineup like that....yet).
    It's OK to just say that you like Knollys better after trying a Turner for a year and a half. Just like it is OK for Lance to say that he likes Turners better than Knollys after owning one for a few weeks. The rest of us that only have one and haven't owned the other are just celebrating what we know.

    For correctness, you should post that you are Knolly-less over in Knomerville too. At least until you get your Chili. . (You may already have it, I forget).

    Ride on. Weather here in Phoenix was perfect this past weekend and this week!

    By the way, Turners are better!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobo_krkk_NIN View Post
    It's OK to just say that you like Knollys better after trying a Turner for a year and a half.
    That's a stretch. I'm comparing bike models, not bike companies.
    If I had been able to compare two bikes in the same class from Knolly and Turner and decided to go with the Chilcotin, I could say that..... but, like I said, much of my decision was based on the fact that the RFX doesn't exist and assuming it did exist that it would be very similar to the Chili not the Delirium.

    I honestly don't know how the RFX would ride if it existed, but I know from my previous experience on the 5 spot and DHR that it would be very competitive with the Chilcotin and my decision would've been even that much harder. For instance, if I were shopping downhill rigs I'd have a really tough time deciding between the Podium and DHR.

    I'm a knomerhomer. I really do like both companies and I like supporting both Dave and Noel. No mystery there. They both are passionate about building really good bikes that work well and hold up to years of hard riding. They both are passionate about standing behind their product, are approachable and available to joe average customer, and they are both good for the bike industry. I like that.

    Wouldn't surprise me a bit if when I decide to add a second bike to the stable again, it was a Turner (assuming he had a model in the category I was shopping).

    Quote Originally Posted by bobo_krkk_NIN
    By the way, Turners are better!
    Yes they are! So are Knollies. However if Dave (or Noel) stopped being what I described above I wouldn't have any problem looking for a company that did fit that model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    I'm a knomerhomer. I really do like both companies and I like supporting both Dave and Noel. No mystery there. They both are passionate about building really good bikes that work well and hold up to years of hard riding. They both are passionate about standing behind their product, are approachable and available to joe average customer, and they are both good for the bike industry. I like that.
    Well said

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6thElement View Post
    I was in the same situation, I was in the XC wilderness for 4 months with a niner dalliance, but the new Turner couldn't be better

    (not including my DHR )
    The new Burner looks like it will be a rockin' good bike. I'm just not convinced that it would be any more capable, durable, huckable, delirium-like than the 5 Spot..... especially if there's no 36mm 160 fork available for it.

    So are you bringing it out to Moab this year to test that theory?

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    So...you have a Chilcotin? You're not really bikeless? Heck, you were a Homer for just awhile anyway, now you're back to "normal".
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    So are you bringing it out to Moab this year to test that theory?
    I'd love to try the Burner in Moab but I did a CO and Moab trip in September '11 so unlikely to go again so soon. I was semi-thinking about St George in mid-March linked to the True Grit race as I've not headed to that corner of Utah before. But I'd prefer later in the year to avoid weather risks.

    Currently planning on showing my DHR around the Colorado resorts mid-summer though.
    Rolling on 29", 650b, 8.3" and 23mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy View Post
    So...you have a Chilcotin? You're not really bikeless? Heck, you were a Homer for just awhile anyway, now you're back to "normal".
    I have one on order in Team Orange which won't be available until this next batch which isn't due until March...... so I should have it by the end of summer I'm thinking.

    KRob-------> if I still don't have a bike when Spring rolls around.

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    by hook or crook, you really need to get your hands on a chili by spring,
    then we need to meet in Moab to a/b it against my nomad,
    it'll be like old times


    ... oh, and then we need to put together some rides in the Chilcotins
    Since when did Need have anything to do with this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by icegeek View Post
    by hook or crook, you really need to get your hands on a chili by spring,
    then we need to meet in Moab to a/b it against my nomad,
    it'll be like old times
    Tim's been telling me the same thing. I'm talking to my people and hopes are high.
    New bike IG? Did you go for the carbon?


    Quote Originally Posted by icegeek
    ... oh, and then we need to put together some rides in the Chilcotins
    ^^^^ This!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cope View Post
    to say a well executed DW Link doesn't provide traction compared to Horst or 4x whatever in my opinion is comical.
    _dw link will never provide the traction of the 4xFour and Krob knows it as much as I do. Why else hurt Booboo's feelings like this?

    Oh, and DaveM, you should have got an HD if you wanted carbon.
    Nice KOM, sorry about your penis.

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    I'm going to join in the RFXicating. My RFX is dead RIP and I am ordering a 5 Spot. Wish I could get an updated RFX.
    Without a trade in I would still be looking at Turner but as well as others who don't have a hole in the line up.
    Cheers!

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    KRob is the Knolly's 4X really that much better than the DW?
    Impressions?
    Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fermenter View Post
    I'm going to join in the RFXicating. My RFX is dead RIP and I am ordering a 5 Spot. Wish I could get an updated RFX.
    Without a trade in I would still be looking at Turner but as well as others who don't have a hole in the line up.
    Cheers!
    Um, look at the geometry, the current spot IS the new RFX.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard2Catch View Post
    KRob is the Knolly's 4X really that much better than the DW?
    Impressions?
    It's better in some areas, not as good in others. Everyone has their preferences. I've always been a sucker for a well-executed horst link design, and Noel's version of the HL is the best of those. With his extra link he can control the rear wheel action more precisely.

    If you hate a bike to squat a bit on climbing or do mostly smoothish climbing, definitely stick with the dw-link, but I find that that little bit of extra activeness from the 4x4 helps traction and crawling over square ledges on more techy climbs and feels more active on rough descents.

    Having said that, I know the dw-link can be made to feel very plush and active on rough, DH type trails with longer travel applications because I've ridden the old Iron Horse Sunday and the new DHR...even my dw 5 Spot felt quite plush and controlled until it got in over its head. Maybe in a 160-170mm travel RFX type application the two would be very equal on descents,,,,, but I still think I'd prefer the 4x4 for climbing tech.

    We'll never know for sure unless Dave makes the dw RFX.
    Last edited by KRob; 02-08-2013 at 01:54 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S-Works View Post
    Um, look at the geometry, the current spot IS the new RFX.
    Dave says it's the Firebird, actually .
    Nice KOM, sorry about your penis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post

    but I find that that little bit of extra activeness from the 4x4 helps traction and crawling over square ledges on more techy climbs and feels more active on rough descents.
    Not to mention that it doesn't try to drive the front wheel down into the very things you're trying to pedal over. Of course, the _dw link won't do that either, as long as you're not pedaling.
    Nice KOM, sorry about your penis.

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