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    Next generation rfx will have ISGS tabs, 1.5 headtube and maxle?

    Did a search and came up with nothing but alot of debate about cable stops.

    I remember reading something about and was wondering if it had been confirmed by DT that the next generation RFX was coming with ISGS tabs, 1.5 headtube and maxle?? Thanks

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    sneak preview. This is a prototype, the production version will have carbon fiber seatstays and "flex pivot"!
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    Don't want a highline, i already have a DHR. I was thinking a 1.5 lyric, chainguide, heavy XC, jump, 4x, do everything but DH type bike.

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    my money is on "no". if ya need those ya need a highline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cactuscorn
    my money is on "no". if ya need those ya need a highline.
    Highline=R.I.P.


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    right. why would ya want a highline for that?
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    drag. i wanted 1 of those too. maybe ill have to wait 5 years for a reintroduction like the rfx made.
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    Highline is too over built, too much travel, plus 150mm hub and wide stance plus limited crank choice (getting better though) and too close to my DHR that i already own for what i want. I was planning on putting on a shorter rear shock and running it around 4.5 - 5inchs front and rear. I would prefer a turner but i might have to settle on something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    Highline=R.I.P.
    The Highline is the new RFX? The RFX is the new Highline? Dogs and cats, living together... mass hysteria!

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    Rail?

    I have a 2nd version rfx that's perfect as heavy duty xc/everything not DH bike, but obviously can't accommodate the 1.5 steerer you're after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big-ted
    Rail?

    I have a 2nd version rfx that's perfect as heavy duty xc/everything not DH bike, but obviously can't accommodate the 1.5 steerer you're after.
    Yeh, I have thought about getting one for a while but they are only making small 4x sizes (im 185cm and up to 95kg) plus its just a tad spindly being a flux/spot/rfx hybrid, i would prefer the extra 1 1/2lbs of the RFX under me. The newer rfx don't have ISGS tabs. which makes chain guide setup not so great.

    **edit** and the older rails have whack geometry, step head angle and high bottom bracket.

    But thanks for actually having a serious contribution to the thread

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    I would love to see Highline style frame that uses lighter tubing, 135mm maxle, approx. 13.6-75" BB, and 6.5" and 5.5" adjustable travel. with a 34lb reasonable build.

    The current style (08) RFX doesn't need to retire for this to happen. DT how about 2011?

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    the only way one of those will get made is if there is enough demand for one!

    only a few would actually buy one. like the 4x bike, so until then lets pass the word on for the Prototype!
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    "No Maxle" for the 2009 RFX.

    I thought I would wait longer for the Maxle if I could get it.
    I mind the wait....but I don't mind the weight.

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    Maxle

    It will have the Maxle compatable dropouts as an option, and come with 10mm standard slots for those that have really nice wheels.

    ISCG '05, 1.5 HT, yep, 135 x 73, no adjustable travel as usual, BB will not be 13 anything unless non standard shocks are used with short forks. It will be notably lower than the current with 160mm fork and 2.5 tires though. My intention is not slope style, as a 13.6ish BB and over 6" of travel would be, but big mountain free ride, ie a light replacement of the Highline. Those that don't want to ride a 8.5lb frame will be bummed.

    Too many have pointed out that the current frame is too close to the Spot, so I am fixing that. This will be a much more FR bike than AM, hense the demise of the Highline. I could not have ya'll saying the 09 and the Highline are too close together. We will continue to sell the Highlines at a discount until they are gone for those that want a tough XC race bike that will take a 29" wheel.

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    Bombs away...
    There goes my best friend RFX, best bike I ever had...
    So let the grief begin, with help of our fellow homer Elisabeth Kübler-Ross:
    --> --> --> --> RIP

    Then again - I can't wait to see the new bike!
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    Cat's out of the bag eh?

    I know the 2009 will be an incredible bike, and I can't wait to see the prototypes.
    I also understand it's costly to offer so many models with perceived overlap.

    But I'm a little bummed that the E-whining of some californians may have influenced this direction. The 5-spot is not quite enough for some of our local trails, where it's not so much about strength or travel, it's about having relaxed geometry for steep downhills without resorting to over-forking the bike, resulting in unbalanced suspension. Thus I am still very excited about owning a current Highline (perfect for shore / whistler) and a current RFX (super versatile, light enough for AM/XC and slack enough for local gnar) I guess I will have to happily keep them for a few years!

    PS, looking forward to full length housing on all turners in 2010!

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    And I was going to wait until next year to get a Highline. I'm glad I didn't wait. I have an 03 Spot and 06 RFX and now a Highline and I'll see how much they overlap before deciding their fate. The Spot and RFX are great bikes and I'm certain the Highline will be stellar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes
    It We will continue to sell the Highlines at a discount until they are gone for those that want a tough XC race bike that will take a 29" wheel.
    Sweet! I've always wanted a 7" 29ner. Perhaps the '09 RFX can be retrofitted to run 27.5

    DT, I am still wanting slopestyle geo (slacker HA and low 13s BB) so I hope you'll leave enough room to run a shorter rear shock with the same shaft travel.

    I rode an Intense Slopestyle for a week and love the geo. I just couldn't take the very noticeable pedal kickback on square edge hits and stiffening on the rear when braking in rough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    I'm a little bummed that the E-whining of some californians may have influenced this direction.
    I'm sure DT has become very adept at tuning out E-whining californians. The real reason behind the consolidation is undoubtedly how the Sultan was cutting into the sales of the RFX and Highline.



    Seriously though, 8.5 lbs. must be with a coil shock, right, or are we talking about a frame even beefier than the legendary '02 RFX (i.e. ~9.5 lbs. w/ coil)? That would be quite a dramatic shift.

    Assuming it's with a coil shock, the frame gained what, half a pound or so? I think that and the other moves (1.5, ISCG, Maxle) would put it more squarely between the Spot and Highline, even if the current RFX fills a nice niche as is.
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    right on DT!
    whether it be a old RFX, a spot, a new RFX, an 09 RFX, a highline... all great versatile bikes.

    for the low riders, 1.5 headtube with a zero stack should help, and then chop a hair off the rear shock?

    One last ohnine rfx question, will the axle path etc. favor dh, pedaling, landings or all?

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    There's posers and then there's POSEURS!

    Quote Originally Posted by miles-off
    Seriously though, 8.5 lbs. must be with a coil shock, right

    Who the puck wants an air shock on a FR frame anyway?
    Faster is better, even when it's not.

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    Sounds interesting. Curious about the angles on the new RFX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miles e
    Seriously though, 8.5 lbs. must be with a coil shock, right, or are we talking about a frame even beefier than the legendary '02 RFX (i.e. ~9.5 lbs. w/ coil)? That would be quite a dramatic shift.
    Current RFX: 7lbs with rp23
    add 1-1.5lbs for a coil shock and you're already at 8-8.5lbs
    So I think you are looking more along the lines of the '02 (9-10lbs with coil) which sounds about right if this new RFX will be replacing the highline.

    Quote Originally Posted by SCUBAPRO
    DT, I am still wanting slopestyle geo (slacker HA and low 13s BB) so I hope you'll leave enough room to run a shorter rear shock with the same shaft travel.

    I rode an Intense Slopestyle for a week and love the geo.
    Did you measure the geo on the intense? From what I have heard the BB's are well over 14". I still don't believe you can have a sub-14" BB without either shortening travel, lengthening the chainstays, bending/interrupting the seat tube or some combination of all these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    Did you measure the geo on the intense? From what I have heard the BB's are well over 14". I still don't believe you can have a sub-14" BB without either shortening travel, lengthening the chainstays, bending/interrupting the seat tube or some combination of all these.
    Believe it: actual BB on the Slopestyle is 13.5", 6.75" travel, 66.5 HA with a RS lyric and zero stack headset. Works very well IMHO...
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    The RFX has come full circle; next year, my '02 will be allmost identical to the new '09 model except for thr 1.5 headtube, bb height, and maxle compatible
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    Quote Originally Posted by miles e
    Seriously though, 8.5 lbs. must be with a coil shock, right, or are we talking about a frame even beefier than the legendary '02 RFX (i.e. ~9.5 lbs. w/ coil)? That would be quite a dramatic shift.
    No big deal.

    My medium 6-Pack with coil DHX weighed 8.5 lbs

    Bye-bye RFX-lite

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    btw cave dweller, thanks for giving DT that nudge!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCUBAPRO
    Believe it: actual BB on the Slopestyle is 13.5", 6.75" travel, 66.5 HA with a RS lyric and zero stack headset. Works very well IMHO...
    Yes I believe you may be correct!
    Thats where a VPP is cool, vertical axle path yada yada yada. Also means chain growth etc.

    I do not believe it is possible on a TNT, single pivot or horst link bike as the wheel rotates up and forward towards the seat tube.

    Here's my proof. Got the Highline BB down to 13.5" with 6.5" of travel, but that's with longer chainstays and tire was buzzing on the seat tube.

    Got my '07 RFX Bottom bracket down to 14" with 6.4" travel. It cannot go lower.

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    The RFX, transforms back to a real Staunch AM Medium FR frame.... Yeah ha.... Not a pansy frame...... Evolution is cyclic is it not?.... Will never say told you so though.... Not in the nature of a Kiwi......LOL

    Be cool to see the mesurements on the Proto... Am sure DT has one floating around, or will be working on one now that See Otter is done and dusted for the year...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    Yes I believe you may be correct!
    Thats where a VPP is cool, vertical axle path yada yada yada. Also means chain growth etc.

    I do not believe it is possible on a TNT, single pivot or horst link bike as the wheel rotates up and forward towards the seat tube.

    Here's my proof. Got the Highline BB down to 13.5" with 6.5" of travel, but that's with longer chainstays and tire was buzzing on the seat tube.

    Got my '07 RFX Bottom bracket down to 14" with 6.4" travel. It cannot go lower.

    What I did not mention is the silly 74 degree seat angle. I reckon it is that way because the seatube had to give way to tire clearance and remain uninterrupted. Then again, you are supposed to be off the saddle on a slopestyle bike anyways....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    The RFX, transforms back to a real Staunch AM Medium FR frame.... Yeah ha.... Not a pansy frame...... Evolution is cyclic is it not?.... Will never say told you so though.... Not in the nature of a Kiwi......LOL

    Be cool to see the mesurements on the Proto... Am sure DT has one floating around, or will be working on one now that See Otter is done and dusted for the year...
    maybe competing with the crop of lightweight 6" travel bikes that hit the market, i.e. specy's enduro SL, may have influenced the dearly soon to be departed RFX SL.

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    not buying that, having owned both old and new.

    Weight doesn't do anything good by itself.

    You gotta remember this cool new RFX is coming at a cost, now what's the ideal Turner for riding the shore? It's not the DHR. How will this new RFX compare to the highline, will people use words like

    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    a real Staunch ...FR frame.... Yeah ha.... Not a pansy frame...... Evolution is cyclic is it not?.... Will never say told you so though.... ...
    If you can muscle a 9lb RFX, will it be better than a 10lb highline? We'll see......

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    For us '07-'08 RFX owners, it would be cool if we were able to swap in the '09 chainstays for the ability to run the Maxle. Although, this may negatively affect geometry and/or weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    not buying that, having owned both old and new.
    Don't you already own an '08? Why are you so concerned about the upcoming '09 model? Folks who want an RF Xc-light can always get them now.
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    I don't know how I feel about this. What will the travel be on the new RFX? Maybe next fall will be a great time to pick up an '08 RFX on closeout (like I did with the '06) ...

    I guess DT has decided to move the RFX from competing against the Remedies and Enduros to the Delerium T. I am sure it'll be a great bike but it might end up being even more of a compromise than the '07/'08 RFX was. How many people here do big mountain FR?

    After all, if you buy a 9lbs frame, you are not going to build it as a 31lbs bike (well, some people will but then they, like me, would be better served by a 6.5in of travel, 7lbs frame). And if the bike weighs 38-40lbs who cares if the frame weighs 9, 10, or 11lbs when you have 10lbs of rotating weight in the wheels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    If you can muscle a 9lb RFX, will it be better than a 10lb highline? We'll see......
    FM, I agree with you on this one, I dont know that the 09 RFX will be the ultimate lets say Shore Weapon as is the Highline..... But I dont think that many RFX users, use them to there full potential. And Hey am not knocking anyone here at all, just stating a thought..

    If we use the likes of say El Clingon, would a 09 RFX handle what he is throwing at his HighLine, for sure it would..... Will the vast majority NEED a HL? I very much doubt it.... Would it be nice to have one, hell yes most would say.....

    A tough decision that DT has to make......

    I can now see why like Nicolai, has 4 Helius models..... The CC (trail type riding), Helius AM (All Mountain type riding) Helius FR (Heavy duty AM, into FR) then the Helius ST (Hardcore FR, some DH etc).... All based around the choice of fork available....

    I am NOT for one knocking anything about Turner before some peeps jump on their hinds.... Merely conversation on a significant change in the Turner lineup it would seem....
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    There are other options besides an RFXc....

    Quote Originally Posted by SCUBAPRO
    Don't you already own an '08? Why are you so concerned about the upcoming '09 model? Folks who want an RF Xc-light can always get them now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IPA
    I can't get over how ugly the Moment rockers are.

    What was the reason behind bending the top tube to reduce standover height?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nybike1971
    What was the reason behind bending the top tube to reduce standover height?
    They welded it on upside down.

    Reminds me of this quote by TE:

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    It's only when you stand over the bike that you say, 'hey, I don't have very much standover clearance here,' you know?
    My video techniques can be found in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nybike1971
    What was the reason behind bending the top tube to reduce standover height?
    To look like the Trek Remedy.

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    don't forget the spot is getting some beef for 09 also...

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    Huh?

    Quote Originally Posted by airwreck
    don't forget the spot is getting some beef for 09 also...
    Enlighten me please. I missed the boat on this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IPA
    Enlighten me please. I missed the boat on this one.
    Yeah, I'd like to hear some more on that as well. DT, I think you should just start a new thread called "Turner Bikes' '09 secrets revealed."

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    hmmm

    Glad I have already managed to pi$$ off some of you with moving away from the RFX as it is. Fact is, the 07-08 rocks, but it is confusing to the riders shopping for a new bike. It is very close in many aspect to a 5.5 Spot, and for those going bigger it is more of a long travel trail bike than a free rider that can take the 'Shore, or ripping ALine or hitting the bigger lines in Sedona, Moab and any # of spots with active shovel and saw crews. Many DH bred cross country riders have shared thier opinions about the current RFX from both coasts and I really think that for really hauling a$$ in the dirt what riders need is a lower (easy Scuba) slacker shredder. For everyone that is looking to fly more in their riding this will be a better frame.

    There is no such thing as one frame does all, so for everyone that has multiple bike needs this frame will be better for "this" kinda riding, whether you are a DH type rider looking for a cross country bike, or a trail rider like Aqua or Zilla that also has a penchant or looking for trouble on every pile of rocks and logs. It will not replace Aquas Jones or Zillas 5 Spot, but when they reach for the pads this is the bike to carry them over the edge. Of course Zilla already has a Highline so he won't need this frame, but for riders who are similar in their mountain biking. Aqua is on the 05-06 RFX so by next winter he will be ready to step up to a lower BB and slacker angles for assaulting boulders mountain sides somewhere in San Diego county.

    If the 'gray area' has the DHR sitting on one side and the 5 Spot on the other, the 07-08 RFX is on the first quarter line up from the Spot, the new bike right in the middle and the Highline on the 3rd quarter line below the DHR.

    The 8.5 lb weight is with an RP23. So, if a coil is installed, it is right back to 9.5lbs with a coil a la 2002, with a much lower BB, thru axle etc etc etc etc. The frame will be TOUGH in case anyone wonders where the 1.3lbs over the current frame went! And yes many coil shocks will fit, but with the quality of air shocks today I feel comfortable with the RP23.

    The SA is 72, seems to work for the current version, and the old 73 was too steep imho. The HA will be 67 with a 160 fork and BB 14.1 with 2.5's. With the same % of sag you can see it will have a dynamic BB notably lower than the current frame with the same fork and tires. Not a slopestyle Scuba! Not interested at this time, if global warming picks up the pace all the ski areas will HAVE to run their chairs to pay the bills, then I will have a whole line of gravity bikes. But right now, the SS frame would be an even smaller piece of a small market niche. Redundancy intentional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IPA
    Enlighten me please. I missed the boat on this one.
    I'm certainly not on the boat either, but there was some discussion about beefing up the front end to handle more fork.

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    Sounds killer DT. Will travel still be the same, 6"+?

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    DT, I hear you about a slopestyle frame but I think the '09 you describe will work just fine. Great work as usual
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    Ohh, I see...

    Quote Originally Posted by airwreck
    I'm certainly not on the boat either, but there was some discussion about beefing up the front end to handle more fork.
    A Spot+ to accomodate a 160mm fork and head angle, huh. Isn't that essentially an RFX?

    Don't get me wrong, I dig how this 09 lineup will shake out:

    FLUX/SULTAN at 4"
    SPOT+ at 5.5(+?)"
    RFX at 6.5"
    DHR at 8.5"

    The SPOT+ would be really neat at about 5.8-5.9". That way you keep venerable 5Spot moniker but also sort of come to a happy medium with the Spot vs. RFXc 'tweeners.

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    Been there, done that

    Quote Originally Posted by IPA
    The SPOT+ would be really neat at about 5.8-5.9". That way you keep venerable 5Spot moniker but also sort of come to a happy medium with the Spot vs. RFXc 'tweeners.
    You get that much travel with push rockers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SCUBAPRO
    You get that much travel with push rockers.
    But you don't get Push rockers or .4 more inches of travel at a frame price of $1895 now, do you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IPA
    Well, if anyone ever complains about the RFX or 6pack BB height again, just remember how it could be...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SCUBAPRO
    Don't you already own an '08? Why are you so concerned about the upcoming '09 model? Folks who want an RF Xc-light can always get them now.
    Yeah I'm all stocked up, won't be shopping this year.

    Just a little bummed to see the highline getting edged out though. I love mine, it's really nothing like either of the RFX's I've owned. IMHO A beefed up RFX will never replace the highline, especially in more FR environements.

    Also feeling like the RFX is more versatile than people are giving it credit for. Lower BB is a great request but you can already accomplish that with a custom shock. 1.5, maxle, ISCG, these are parts interface specs which won't go far to improve the ride. I suspected these changes were coming and it's part of why I've sunk money into my '07 rather than saving for an '09.

    Not aiming to be a debbie downer here- I know the new RFX will be killer! At the end of the day it's a singe option replacing two, it will be versatile for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes
    It will have the Maxle compatable dropouts as an option, and come with 10mm standard slots for those that have really nice wheels.

    ISCG '05, 1.5 HT, yep, 135 x 73, no adjustable travel as usual, BB will not be 13 anything unless non standard shocks are used with short forks. It will be notably lower than the current with 160mm fork and 2.5 tires though. My intention is not slope style, as a 13.6ish BB and over 6" of travel would be, but big mountain free ride, ie a light replacement of the Highline. Those that don't want to ride a 8.5lb frame will be bummed.

    Too many have pointed out that the current frame is too close to the Spot, so I am fixing that. This will be a much more FR bike than AM, hense the demise of the Highline. I could not have ya'll saying the 09 and the Highline are too close together. We will continue to sell the Highlines at a discount until they are gone for those that want a tough XC race bike that will take a 29" wheel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes
    Glad I have already managed to pi$$ off some of you with moving away from the RFX as it is. Fact is, the 07-08 rocks, but it is confusing to the riders shopping for a new bike. It is very close in many aspect to a 5.5 Spot, and for those going bigger it is more of a long travel trail bike than a free rider that can take the 'Shore, or ripping ALine or hitting the bigger lines in Sedona, Moab and any # of spots with active shovel and saw crews. Many DH bred cross country riders have shared thier opinions about the current RFX from both coasts and I really think that for really hauling a$$ in the dirt what riders need is a lower (easy Scuba) slacker shredder. For everyone that is looking to fly more in their riding this will be a better frame.

    There is no such thing as one frame does all, so for everyone that has multiple bike needs this frame will be better for "this" kinda riding, whether you are a DH type rider looking for a cross country bike, or a trail rider like Aqua or Zilla that also has a penchant or looking for trouble on every pile of rocks and logs. It will not replace Aquas Jones or Zillas 5 Spot, but when they reach for the pads this is the bike to carry them over the edge. Of course Zilla already has a Highline so he won't need this frame, but for riders who are similar in their mountain biking. Aqua is on the 05-06 RFX so by next winter he will be ready to step up to a lower BB and slacker angles for assaulting boulders mountain sides somewhere in San Diego county.

    If the 'gray area' has the DHR sitting on one side and the 5 Spot on the other, the 07-08 RFX is on the first quarter line up from the Spot, the new bike right in the middle and the Highline on the 3rd quarter line below the DHR.

    The 8.5 lb weight is with an RP23. So, if a coil is installed, it is right back to 9.5lbs with a coil a la 2002, with a much lower BB, thru axle etc etc etc etc. The frame will be TOUGH in case anyone wonders where the 1.3lbs over the current frame went! And yes many coil shocks will fit, but with the quality of air shocks today I feel comfortable with the RP23.

    The SA is 72, seems to work for the current version, and the old 73 was too steep imho. The HA will be 67 with a 160 fork and BB 14.1 with 2.5's. With the same % of sag you can see it will have a dynamic BB notably lower than the current frame with the same fork and tires. Not a slopestyle Scuba! Not interested at this time, if global warming picks up the pace all the ski areas will HAVE to run their chairs to pay the bills, then I will have a whole line of gravity bikes. But right now, the SS frame would be an even smaller piece of a small market niche. Redundancy intentional.
    Thanks for the replies Dave, your direct interaction with all kinds of riders (sponsered to forum users) is what really helps makes your bikes on the ball of what the market wants before it knows it.

    That geometry with 160mm forks sounds good, and the head angle could be a little slacker for us DH types but i understand its all a compromise.. This is going to be the bike everyone buys next year for sure, i can see it already.

    Im assuming the new bike will use a standard 2.5inch stroke shock, will it be possible to fit a standard 2.25inch shock to the frame to lower the travel and bb a tad without buzzing the seat tube liek the current version?

    Interesting the move to isgs 05, will you be changing the DHR to isgs 05 as well?

    When you say maxle as an option are you talking replaceable maxle dropouts, or a complete maxle chainstay?

    Im really pumped to see the new RFX. I might even retire the 03 DHR and rock one of these for all my riding.

    Is there any chance of you popping up some CAD pics like you did for the new DHR??

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    Hmmm.... interesting. So DT, any changes to the Spot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes
    The SA is 72, seems to work for the current version, and the old 73 was too steep imho. The HA will be 67 with a 160 fork and BB 14.1 with 2.5's. With the same % of sag you can see it will have a dynamic BB notably lower than the current frame with the same fork and tires. Not a slopestyle Scuba! Not interested at this time, if global warming picks up the pace all the ski areas will HAVE to run their chairs to pay the bills, then I will have a whole line of gravity bikes. But right now, the SS frame would be an even smaller piece of a small market niche. Redundancy intentional.



    I only have two request...that the seat tube not be as high for a given size as the rest of the models and the stand over to be as low as possible.

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    whoah, too much too soon...getting rid of the latest rfx and highline? I will suspend any further sadness until I see the 09rfx, but I have to admit I'm a little bummed out (even though these frames are not what I'm looking for, it's apparent they're rockin frames for their intended use).

    FM I'm curious about your thoughts on the highline/older (02)rfx matchup. It is the rear shock stroke/leverage ratio that made the highline feel better on the shore?

    I'm curious if a lighter tubing highline style frame with 135mm/73BB would be better than a beefed up RFX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IPA
    But you don't get Push rockers or .4 more inches of travel at a frame price of $1895 now, do you.
    You're right; you can get one for less than that
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    I'm a bit bummed about ending the Highline. I was guessing the the next gen Highline would be a bit lighter and continue to evolve, but not to go away. Well, who knows what DT has in store.

    I'm wondering why the 09 RFX is being designed around a 160mm fork when I assume many folks will be looking to put a 180 on it? That would then raise it and make it more slack. Is there even a 160 fork that come in 1.5?

    Well, change keeps life interesting, doesn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes
    My intention is not slope style, as a 13.6ish BB and over 6" of travel would be,

    Actually what you would have is a damn good trail bike that many people who prioritize descending would buy. I and a few others I know would buy that bike without ever even seeing it. At least you're moving in the right direction though

    The most popular dh bike made has a 13.6-13.8ish BB, with 8" of travel. Why a bike with LESS travel would need a higher BB........I seriously have no idea where that comes from. It's not like a lighter bike with less travel would be ridden on rougher terrain. If it's for climbing.........it's not that hard to look down at what you're riding on.

    I think the highline was one of the best designed bikes in the lineup. It's a real shame to see this one go. What would have made me buy one is to lighten it up, not replace it with an overblown xc bike just because a few wierdos decided the one true freeride bike in the offering was a great trail bike if you put some light wheels on it.

    I'm sure the RFX will be nice. But it doesn't sound to be the bike that should replace a frame I'd have full confidence in doing the some of the most dangerous of riding on.

    It just sucks that 7 points, bullits and vp frees are all over the place while a much better frame never sold.

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    I understand the pinch though. There is/was quite a bit of overlap. I would have just made a 6" burly xc bike, the flux, the highline and the dhr though
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    Quote Originally Posted by scepticshock
    I'm a bit bummed about ending the Highline. I was guessing the the next gen Highline would be a bit lighter and continue to evolve, but not to go away. Well, who knows what DT has in store.

    I'm wondering why the 09 RFX is being designed around a 160mm fork when I assume many folks will be looking to put a 180 on it? That would then raise it and make it more slack. Is there even a 160 fork that come in 1.5?

    Well, change keeps life interesting, doesn't it?
    FOX has released 1.5 36s (TALAS and Vanilla). Don't know about the rest though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scepticshock
    That would then raise it and make it more slack. Is there even a 160 fork that come in 1.5?
    1.5 Lyriks have been available for well over a year and I have one on my Ventana

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    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes
    Too many have pointed out that the current frame is too close to the Spot, so I am fixing that. This will be a much more FR bike than AM, hense the demise of the Highline. I could not have ya'll saying the 09 and the Highline are too close together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes
    Glad I have already managed to pi$$ off some of you with moving away from the RFX as it is. Fact is, the 07-08 rocks, but it is confusing to the riders shopping for a new bike. It is very close in many aspect to a 5.5 Spot, and for those going bigger it is more of a long travel trail bike than a free rider that can take the 'Shore, or ripping ALine or hitting the bigger lines in Sedona, Moab and any # of spots with active shovel and saw crews.
    Wow, interesting. For me the 07-08 RFX was/is the perfect bike-- bigger than 5" of travel, but a little burlier than your typical trailbike. Something pedalable, but with a bit more travel than the Spot. I didn't want the Spot, as I already have a 29er, and the HL is too much bike for my needs. So I suppose I'm sad to see this incarnation of the RFX go, but it sounds like the replacement will be a super bike. No matter, I picked an 08 up for a song.

    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    Also feeling like the RFX is more versatile than people are giving it credit for. Lower BB is a great request but you can already accomplish that with a custom shock. 1.5, maxle, ISCG, these are parts interface specs which won't go far to improve the ride.
    Agree.

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    Pretty significant undercurrent of change happening here. I am looking forward to the new lineup and am hoping for no waiting-list this time. I need a beefier bike for Moab and the local unforgiving trails and as tempted as I am to do something in the next 3-4 months, I'm definitely going to wait impatiently till I see the unveiling of the new Turners. Post any relevant info you guys uncover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kidwoo

    The most popular dh bike made has a 13.6-13.8ish BB, with 8" of travel. Why a bike with LESS travel would need a higher BB........I seriously have no idea where that comes from. It's not like a lighter bike with less travel would be ridden on rougher terrain. If it's for climbing.........it's not that hard to look down at what you're riding on.
    I notice that it's 13.9 with a fairly low a-to-c fork and comes with a 36t ring/bashguard. Also short cranks...hmm...wer'e not talking about a DH bike though...
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    FM: So I think you are looking more along the lines of the '02 (9-10lbs with coil) which sounds about right if this new RFX will be replacing the highline.

    Werd ^. I'm riding the 02 w/ a Romic (works really well) and 36VanRC2. I use the ISCG tabs and run the e13 32special w/ no issues. Good basic (beefy) bike.
    I like the coil idea for the rear shock. I would say use something like the Romic (bias). You get the right spring rate, mess w/ rebound for two seconds and just go-ride*. That is the RFX way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    I notice that it's 13.9 with a fairly low a-to-c fork and comes with a 36t ring/bashguard. Also short cranks...hmm...wer'e not talking about a DH bike though...
    Go measure one in real life. The only reason that bike comes with 165 cranks is to sell the thing to whiners who don't know how to pedal. My dh bike is 13.8 and I do just fine with 170s and a 38t ring. And you know northstar is no bike path.



    Why do think you need a higher xc bike? The only thing different is pedaling up hill. Descending is descending. And that IS the stated priority with the changes.

    I just measured my enduro sl for the millionth time. 6" travel, 67 deg headangle and 13.7" BB with sizeable tires. Sounds close. I'm singing that Tiffany song now......something like "I'll never know what could have been......."

    It's still a great improvement over the current RFX. It's cool to see those changes. I'm just bummed that this is what squeezes out the highline.
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    For those of you who like the current line-up (me included) and have the bike(s) you want already, I wouldn't worry. In 2-3 years, after those who would prefer a beefier RFX to the 2007/8 RFX or the Highline have upgraded, DT will reshuffle the line-up again based on input from his customer base. Those who feel under-served (as is the case now) will have the loudest voice and potentially the greatest influence. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, it's just the reality that Turner Bikes, or any other high-end bicycle designer for that matter, has to limit the number of models they produce in order to stay in business. With only 4-6 bikes in the line-up, many/most of us are going to see any bike as a compromise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes
    It will have the Maxle compatable dropouts as an option, and come with 10mm standard slots for those that have really nice wheels.

    ISCG '05, 1.5 HT, yep, 135 x 73, no adjustable travel as usual, BB will not be 13 anything unless non standard shocks are used with short forks. It will be notably lower than the current with 160mm fork and 2.5 tires though. My intention is not slope style, as a 13.6ish BB and over 6" of travel would be, but big mountain free ride, ie a light replacement of the Highline. Those that don't want to ride a 8.5lb frame will be bummed.

    Too many have pointed out that the current frame is too close to the Spot, so I am fixing that. This will be a much more FR bike than AM, hense the demise of the Highline. I could not have ya'll saying the 09 and the Highline are too close together. We will continue to sell the Highlines at a discount until they are gone for those that want a tough XC race bike that will take a 29" wheel.

    DT
    That's sweet music to my ears. A nice compromise and way to keep the RFX real! My only beef with my beloved 06' RFX is that it would be nice to have a little slacker HA without having to overcompensate with an oversized, unbalanced fork and the BB is a little too high at 14.65" with 2.5 tires and 160mm fork, have to run too much rear sag to feel somewhat decent at speed on the downs.

    An 09' RFX with 67 HA (at the steepest), 13.9-14.1" (highest) BB ht. with 2.5 tires and 160mm fork, a little beefier chainstay/rear triangle and the optional 1.5" HT, maxle (12mm rear compatibility if staying with 135mm hub), would be sweet! And of course the longer TT/ST for a size large like the <06' RFX would be cool too to run the shorter stems (24" TT and 19.5" ST at very least for a large frame). Oh, and keep the lower leverage ratio's as current, bring back the coil shock (Marz Roco TST preferably) with at least 6.3-6.7" rear travel. Frame weight 8.5-9.5lbs (small to XL) with projected build weights 34-37lbs.

    This bike should be able to go neck to neck with the Knolly Delerium T, Versus Blitz II, Reign X, or even the SC Nomad in my opinion. A capable climber to get to you to the most gnarliest of descents. A mini-DH bike that you can climb with if you will. Aggro AM with near DH/FR strength that still can knock out the steep climbs if needed.

    Thanks DT,

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    Wow - now that more info is out, I am really bummed. The current RFX fit the bill perfectly for me, in a way that probably will not exist next year - either not enough bike (5spot) or too much bike (09 RFX) for an aggressive AM trailrider looking for a "1 bike does all". And I thought this was the #1 most popular area - with bikes such as the 6.6, Nomad, etc. Bummer. Really sad day in Homerville
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    im with mia, fm, rd and the rest. im bummed not many folks got the new rfx platform that i think is so damn perfect but the numbers must not lie. if its not sellin to its potential and 51% of the buyers are complainin, somethins gotta change. im just damn happy i got a early shot at 1 and understood how well it fit my current needs and future goals. thanx for that oppertunity and a top notch frame guys.

    i know some of the bigger guys had some issues and i understand the desire for a tougher tubeset. i dig that some missed the iscg tabs. i see the maxle's popularity and why its so. without answerin the turner hot line, i dont have the whole picture, just what i read here and that smaller field of vision tells me that overall, a few bullied the many in most respects of this redesign.

    like most things that come from dt's head, im sure the new stuff will please the buying crowd. im not sure im 1 of those folks. maybe im still just a bit too xc-ish and still dig the light bikes while the rest of the world rides harder still and needs the beef. doesnt hurt that i dont break stuff.

    long live the v-3 (or v-4 if ya insist) rfx and the days of the light spot by the potential sounds of it. drag about the highline too. i didnt see that commin, perhaps i should have in retrospect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beefmagic
    FM I'm curious about your thoughts on the highline/older (02)rfx matchup. It is the rear shock stroke/leverage ratio that made the highline feel better on the shore?
    If I still owned all three, I'd choose the highline for 'shore trails every time. Reasons being; lowest BB (confidence inspiring on steeps), best suspension feel, slackest angles without raising the BB, and stiffness. The '07 RFX would be my second choice and the '02 my last (sorry- mainly due to the high BB and linear suspension).

    I'm headed to the shore this coming weekend and will ride my '07 RFX, since snow level will be keeping us down on the "blue-diamond" trails.

    I have a feeling this new RFX would be a great bike for many shore trails, but again it's one horse for two courses. I'd rather keep my two horses to choose from.

    Quote Originally Posted by jgusta
    An 09' RFX with 67 HA (at the steepest), 13.9-14.1" (highest) BB ht. with 2.5 tires and 160mm fork
    I'm getting those numbers from my '07 now, plenty stiff with fun bolts, and ~8.2lbs with coil shock.


    Quote Originally Posted by jgusta
    This bike should be able to go neck to neck with the Knolly Delerium T, Versus Blitz II, Reign X, or even the SC Nomad in my opinion.
    Ouch that hurts! I'll keep my turners.

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    Why not keep the '08 RFX and highline as-is, kill the 5-spot instead. That'd be my vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM

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    Why not keep the '08 RFX and highline as-is, kill the 5-spot instead. That'd be my vote.
    Heck, even call it 6 Spot (which perhaps is what it is?) - just keep this fantastic bike...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tald
    Wow - now that more info is out, I am really bummed. The current RFX fit the bill perfectly for me, in a way that probably will not exist next year - either not enough bike (5spot) or too much bike (09 RFX) for an aggressive AM trailrider looking for a "1 bike does all". And I thought this was the #1 most popular area - with bikes such as the 6.6, Nomad, etc. Bummer. Really sad day in Homerville

    Why do you care if you already got the RFX ? It's us, who want it but still have to save up some $$ who should be bummed...
    But if all the speculations are true, I guess the 09' Spot would be similar to today's RFX. Maybe a little less travel at the rear end but also 6" are enough.

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    Why not keep the '08 RFX and highline as-is, kill the 5-spot instead. That'd be my vote.
    I agree, FM, but since you already have an 07/8 RFX and a Highline , you're set! Over the next couple of years , you will be able to claim that you have a "real man's bike," 07/8 RFX vs Spot, or Highline vs 09 RFX, much like the pre-07 RFX/6-pack crowd does now. Best of both worlds.

    This confirms the timeliness of my recent Highline order. I'll be really bummed if they run out.

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    Nothing more constant than change............................................ ..................

    A very interesting post.... I am quite stunned that the HL may leave the lineup, big call DT, but you have the full picture, not us intranet surfers...

    Anyway DT, I think you should join Aqua, myself and some others on a ride on the weekend of 4th May in San Juan.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaMan
    But if all the speculations are true, I guess the 09' Spot would be similar to today's RFX. Maybe a little less travel at the rear end but also 6" are enough.
    Thats what im reading.

    Current flux between the old nitrous and old flux - XC
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    Makes sense to have 4 bike models instead of 6. Especially if keeping costs down and manufacture in the USA is what your after.

    Lets be honest, most of the people who buy "FR" bikes would never push an AM frame to the limits.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgusta
    ... it would be nice to have a little slacker HA without having to overcompensate with an oversized, unbalanced fork and the BB is a little too high at 14.65" with 2.5 tires and 160mm fork, have to run too much rear sag to feel somewhat decent at speed on the downs....
    JG

    Find some 5 spot seat stays. That single change will get you real close to a 14" bb and 67* headtube angle.

    Agree with Woo 100%!! I like the changes to the new RFX (actually what I was aiming toward with my 5 pack)...but the loss of the Highline seems wrong. I would hate to see it go away and become the current version of the rail......something that was not appreciated until it was no longer available. The short shock option highline is awfully close to what is going on right now.

    My personal feeling is that late production/delivery the first year, with the addition of the nagging chainstay issues pushed people to other options. You cannot buy a frame that is not available.... I am not convinced that the (lack of) sales that you guys (must) see are not a reflection of 'teething issues' and something that would not turn around with a bit of time. persistance, and word of mouth...

    and get someone (like woo) to ride a Highline like it was made to ride. People need to see that bike doing more than 3' drops to flat....

    BTW, I to ride a DH bike with a sub 14" bb and 8" of travel...lower the better, never been a prob for me in 25+ years of riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    Why not keep the '08 RFX and highline as-is, kill the 5-spot instead. That'd be my vote.
    that took balls to say pal. lemme buy ya a beer and another for me so we can toast yer wisdom and insight. was it just us who saw the torch needed to be passed? seems that way. maybe develop a shock/rocker downgrade/option for the 5.5 crowd.

    were gonna get our e-asses kicked, arent we?
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    someone nailed it.

    after all, its biz. mtb passion hasnt paid well since the mid to late 90's.
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    Observations and Complaint/Suggestion

    this thread is pretty heavy, i mean I love Turner bikes,so to see one of my favorites go out is a sad day, if it happens.

    If complaining works and If I could improve a Turner frame this is what I would consider.
    1. Routing hydraulic brake cables through the taco sucks when you want to quickly swap them out or on.
    2. Cable guides, i have seen some cable guide tabs that allow full cable routing or the current offering. My vote is a versatile cable tab allowing one to use full length housing w/out ziptying cables around the frame or other cables. while still allowing the current. i see this like i see interrupted seat tubes. i dislike interrupted housing
    3. under the TT cable routing makes sense too. this avoids the TT marring

    As has always been, there is always a way to make a certain 'model' the way you want it.
    ie; 6pack to 5pack... highline 8" or 7" etc...

    I have had a 5 spot, rfx's, and highlines, If you ride each one back to back you Will notice a difference between each. all i see is 5spot and 6 packs really overlapping not really rfx to highline. On the other hand, if the 09'r rfx'r is to be a melding of the current highline and the current rfx. hmmm.

    After contemplating these thoughts, All I can say is SWEET! I want one already. where do i sign up???

    but in the end its all about the customer to a quality business like Turnerbikes. if some are confused, and then they need to be informed or provided a more clear product line right?
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    DT, anything you can say about the 09 Spot? Is it really going to a more AM attitude? (more travel, slacker HA, ready for 6" forks, etc)? Is Turnerbikes still going to have a true AM bike? The gap between the current Spot and Highline is pretty great.

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    Personally I'm not bothered by this move. I have an 08 RFX and by the time it needs replacing I'm sure there will be other options that haven't yet presented themselves.

    For me, the 07-08 RFX is great. Just what I wanted. Something in between my 05 spot and 06 RFX. This fit the bill.
    I may be way off base but my guess is that all of the 30-32lb 07-08 RFX riders "could" get away with riding a Spot. (especially if the spot gained some beef for 09)

    I know that I could have bought a new 08 Spot instead of my RFX and would have been fine with it. For me it was a mental thing on knowing for sure that I was on a burlier bike even if I didn't need it. Mental crutch?

    I'm very curious to see how the numbers work out for a revised spot. Anything from 5-6" of travel, 68-68.5 HA, sub 14" bb, and a little more burl in the front end would suit me fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fermenter
    "No Maxle" for the 2009 RFX.

    I thought I would wait longer for the Maxle if I could get it.
    I mind the wait....but I don't mind the weight.
    Sorry folks, I was under the impression it would not be an option.

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    Disagree about the 5spot. Coming from the 5spot, the 08 RFX feels pretty different, giving me a ton more confidence to try stuff when it gets technical and vertical, and saving my ass as I learn, while still making climbing enjoyable. The move from the 5spot seemed like SUCH a huge improvement. As you say, yup I could get away with a 5spot - and enjoy my riding less - but why?! It just seems to me that DT nailed the perfect AM bike and it will be sad if we just lose it for something noticeable more XC or more FR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cave dweller
    Thats what im reading.

    Current flux between the old nitrous and old flux - XC
    New spot between old 5.5 spot and old rfx - AM
    New rfx between highline and old rfx - FR
    DHR - DH

    Makes sense to have 4 bike models instead of 6. Especially if keeping costs down and manufacture in the USA is what your after.

    Lets be honest, most of the people who buy "FR" bikes would never push an AM frame to the limits.......
    If only this was this years line up it would be an easy decision for me. Those four options spell everything out clearly. Sad about the Highline, that would be the kind of bike I would like to rent someday at a place like Snowshoe.

    I'm one of those who was confused about a Spot/RFX purchase.

    I like the idea of the 2007/2008 RFX Light based on the forks (Lyric/Fox 36) that I like for this build. I should be ordering a RFX in June. I would have a hard time waiting for a 2009 Spot but if it was 160mm fork approved...........

    DT ; Please give us a whiff of the 2009 Spot...Travel? 160mm fork? Optional Maxle chainstay? Should I wait? Should you send me the proto? (Yes!)

    All confusion aside :Thanks so much to DT and the Homers. Everyone has been a great help.

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    Slept on it. And I'm really excited because this is going to be such a fun bike to ride. The Maxle option is killer idea and so is the 1.5. Good upgrades for sure. Could even convince me to change bikes. Got to nail the right rear shock for it though. That will be huge. Update graphics too ?
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    Agreed

    Quote Originally Posted by cactuscorn
    im bummed not many folks got the new rfx platform that i think is so damn perfect but the numbers must not lie. if its not sellin to its potential and 51% of the buyers are complainin, somethins gotta change. im just damn happy i got a early shot at 1 and understood how well it fit my current needs and future goals. thanx for that oppertunity and a top notch frame guys.

    for the few who saw the "lite". like you, im feelin blue.
    Quote Originally Posted by tald
    Wow - now that more info is out, I am really bummed. The current RFX fit the bill perfectly for me, in a way that probably will not exist next year - either not enough bike (5spot) or too much bike (09 RFX) for an aggressive AM trailrider looking for a "1 bike does all". And I thought this was the #1 most popular area - with bikes such as the 6.6, Nomad, etc. Bummer. Really sad day in Homerville
    Well, look on the bight side, you might be able to find a nice deal on an '08.

    Am I bummed about the RFX? A little, perhaps. Would I buy the '09? Sure, in a minute, even though it would be a tad too much bike for me at first. Would I buy the '09 Spot if it had 6" of travel? You bet. If future changes to the Spot make it more RFX like, I'd buy it in a second.

    I'm just happy that DT listens to his user base and changes the mix of the product line to meet the needs of most of his riders/customers. I'll always shop a company that listens to its customers.

    Now, can I get you to do something about the too long top tube on the Sultan? I have to drop down a size to get the correct TT length for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tald
    Disagree about the 5spot. Coming from the 5spot, the 08 RFX feels pretty different, giving me a ton more confidence to try stuff when it gets technical and vertical, and saving my ass as I learn, while still making climbing enjoyable. The move from the 5spot seemed like SUCH a huge improvement. As you say, yup I could get away with a 5spot - and enjoy my riding less - but why?! It just seems to me that DT nailed the perfect AM bike and it will be sad if we just lose it for something noticeable more XC or more FR.
    Not sure if you are disagreeing with my comment or not but if so I'm confused. I think we are on the same page. I also came off a five spot. Still have it.
    They do ride different. I said the RFX gives me more confidence to hit stuff. That being said, I'm sure I could hit the same stuff (because I have on some of it) on my Spot. I agree that just the metal edge that riding the RFX gives me makes it more enjoyable. Where I have noticed it's shortcoming is in really steep climbs. I just can't seem to keep the front end down as well as I could with the Spot but I'm hoping that as I get out more I'll get use to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    Cat's out of the bag eh?

    IThe 5-spot is not quite enough for some of our local trails, where it's not so much about strength or travel, it's about having relaxed geometry for steep downhills without resorting to over-forking the bike, resulting in unbalanced suspension.
    The 5.5 spot rides quite well "over-forked" and from my measurements nearly mimicks the 07-08 RFX geometry. With a beefed up headtube the Spot will have no issues with a 160mm fork.
    Nothing to see here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cactuscorn
    that took balls to say pal. lemme buy ya a beer and another for me so we can toast yer wisdom and insight. was it just us who saw the torch needed to be passed? seems that way. maybe develop a shock/rocker downgrade/option for the 5.5 crowd.

    were gonna get our e-asses kicked, arent we?
    Kill the #1 seller?

    Ride a NEW 5.5 Spot with a big fork (55, 36, Lyrik...) then you'll see how it can replace all the light-weight RFX builds out there.
    Nothing to see here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSINGA
    The 5.5 spot rides quite well "over-forked" and from my measurements nearly
    Quote Originally Posted by SSINGA
    mimicks
    the 07-08 RFX geometry. With a beefed up
    headtube
    the Spot will have no issues with a 160mm fork.


    What is the HA and BB height you are getting with the taller fork?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SSINGA
    Kill the #1 seller?
    Why not?

    Sultan has rendered the Spot obsolete

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    I don't know if we are disagreeing, and it doesn't make sense to me at all that I am the one Bi*****ching here either. Especially with DT's record of fantastic bikes one after the other.
    My beef here is a simple one, although I guess a common one: I am only able to have 1 bike (wife, etc) and I want that bike to have as wide a usage as possible. With the RFX, I love being able to put on a fullface and push my envelope and just hit those same drops and rocks again and again and again - making mistakes and having the bike save my butt and improving as a result (I have learned so much since switching to this bike from the Spot)...
    ... and seeing the huge upper limit of this bike as repeatedly displayed by the Sanchez and FM and Krispy etc)
    ...and then being able to swap a light clipless pedal and trail helmet and enjoy long climby rides with friends (boy does this thing climb!!).
    It would just be sad if there was no such "1 bike does it all" bike in the Turner lineup. I guess a burlier Spot with a little more travel and slacker angles would fit the bill, but isn't that the 08 RFX anyway?
    Anyway, I am hoping that by the time I need another bike, I will advance enough to need the new RFX or similar, and I hope it will still be able to climb. I sure don't want to go back to a more XC ride. And I am sure there is no chance for 2 serious bikes in my stable any time soon...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Locotiki


    What is the HA and BB height you are getting with the taller fork?
    My angle finder is packed up somewhere (moving is a *****) but with my Fox 36 at 130 (5.25" stanchion showing) it's just a hare below 14". Set the Talas at 160 (6.30" exposed stanchion) and it's 14.25".
    Nothing to see here.

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    The new RFX does sound nice, I don't understand why not more travel tho considering the weight and slacker angles, especially with the HL going away.

    If it's supposed to the FR bike in the lineup wouldn't most folks want more than 160mm travel?

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    tald. you have a 07 rfx so you are set for a few years and then you can get the future spot which seems like its going to be the same.

    or

    you could of put a talas 36 on your spot in the first place like i did. (sorry coulndt resist)

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    Quote Originally Posted by rroeder
    The new RFX does sound nice, I don't understand why not more travel tho considering the weight and slacker angles, especially with the HL going away.

    If it's supposed to the FR bike in the lineup wouldn't most folks want more than 160mm travel?
    I'd assume the travel will be bumped up a bit... maybe 170mm +/-....

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    I'm sorry to see the Highline go, but I always thought that the 5.5 Spot and 08 RFX were to close together. No way can DT kill the Spot. It is one of the best trail bikes available in the world. It seemed to me that the RFX needed more beef to separate it from the Spot. That pushes it very close to the Highline and honestly it's not worth it to have two frames in the line up that are almost the same. DT could beef the Highline up to meet the V-Tach for freeride and keep the DHR for down hill racing. I think Freeride bikes may settle around 7" and the new RFX will be like a plusher more pedalable Bottle Rocket with between 6-7" in the rear. I'm sure that people will swap shock to get slightly more or less travel to suit their tastes.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1soulrider
    I'd assume the travel will be bumped up a bit... maybe 170mm +/-....
    To accomodate more travel will it have a longer chainstay, bent/interrupted seat tube or multi-link?
    Extreme stationary biker.

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