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    New to the forum, & Turner, a few questions if you don't mind.

    Hi all, I bought a new, old stock, Turner Burner this week & would like to ask your advice on set up please as I can't find anything on the Burner on Turners site.

    Firstly any idea of the bottom bracket size for middleburn rs7 square tapper cranks, 113mm?

    Secondly a starting point for shock pressure on a float r assuming I'm 13stone in kit, or should I start at 15% sag and see how it goes?

    Also how do I tell how old the frame is? the shop said it was a 2007, but I'm sure they stopped production before then, the frame number starts 04, is that a giveaway?

    I'm sure I'll think of loads more to pester your good selves with, but I would be grateful for advice on the above. Indeed if you think I need to know anything else then feel free to chip in.
    Many thanks in advance.
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    Burner Questions

    2, I do not know the answer to your setup questions, but the final generation Burners were made from 2002-2004, so your right, it's a an 04 and the shop didn't know what they were talking about or were being deceitful. You should love the Burner, I still have have a 04 closeout Supergo Burner and it's basically a beefier version (gusseted head tube) of the Horst/TNT flux 2005-2008 with a little less travel 3.6 inches compared to 4. Enjoy the bike.

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    Thanks for that, I thought it would be an 04, quite happy though as it was cheap
    I also like the fact its quite burly, the local riding only requires a hardtail, its my body that demands a FS. I have come from more or less a burner copy, the Azonic propulsion, which I always felt was a little small for me (medium Vs the large Burner). I was quite taken aback that the turner weighs a bit more (6&1/4lbs Vs 6lbs) but the bike is not being built light at about 27lbs.
    I hope to get out on it the weekend, but I'm sure I'll love it, its going to be a long relationship I hope.
    Thanks again.

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    BB width is 73mm, spindle is 113mm. Just set your sag on the rear shock (25%) and ride it - tune from there. Finally, you can get 4" out of the Burner with XR rockers (hard to find) or a 1.75" stroke shock. The bike rides great stock, but even better with the rocker upgrade. You may also find that a 115 or 120mm fork feels pretty nice on there too. Welcome to the club - pics are mandatory you know when the build gets going. Check out the link to the FAQ section on Burners all your questions will be answered there.

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    I'll get pics up soon, needs a few bits before I can ride it, no point putting up pics of a half finished bike

    Anyone know how I can find the thread which outlines the drilling instructions for a hydraulic brake line as per Took a sip of vintage koolaid ?

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    Great frame!

    I ride an 04 burner myself and dont seem the need to upgrade (even w/ constant upgraditis syndrome). I love the frame (large blue w float r) because it is beefier like the spot which can handle burly singletrack and anyother terrain u throw at it. Ive been tryin to geet my hands on the rockers also, but they are prized. Get u an adjustable fork (100-130) and set the fork at 115mm and let er eat! Here's some pics of mine.
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    Welcome 2U - sounds like you are a fellow Brit?

    Burner is a great bike, very solid and you'll benefit from the best customer service around if you ever need it.

    Post up some pics when you can

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    Quote Originally Posted by prooperator
    I ride an 04 burner myself and dont seem the need to upgrade (even w/ constant upgraditis syndrome). I love the frame (large blue w float r) because it is beefier like the spot which can handle burly singletrack and anyother terrain u throw at it. Ive been tryin to geet my hands on the rockers also, but they are prized. Get u an adjustable fork (100-130) and set the fork at 115mm and let er eat! .
    Just what I wanted to hear, although I'll try it with the 04 mazocchi 105mm coil marathons I already have, I was planning on putting my reba WC's on, but the steerer is to short
    Bring on the weekend.

    Tidybeard, I am a fellow Brit & I'll get a couple of pics up ASAP.
    Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2unfit2ride
    I'll get pics up soon, needs a few bits before I can ride it, no point putting up pics of a half finished bike
    You are new here, aren't you? You can post pictures of the bolts and we would drool all over them.

    Quote Originally Posted by 2unfit2ride
    Anyone know how I can find the thread which outlines the drilling instructions for a hydraulic brake line as per Took a sip of vintage koolaid ?
    Here's the link to the drilling instructions:
    (MkIII) Drilling Out Cable Stops...

    Depending on the location of the cable stops, you may or may not need a flex shaft for your rotary tool.

    Enjoy your new old bike!

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    tburger, yup I new

    Thanks for the link, the thread I posted shows the middle guide drilled, I have routed the cables differently so the brake hose is on the left hand side (as you sit on the bike), is this wrong? I can't see any set up guide for the Burner, although that probably because I'm being dense, I don't want to get this one wrong, I guess there is no second chance

    Any way I'll have a quick read before I retire for the evening.
    Thanks.

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    I really liked the 105 Marathon when I had an '04 Burner. It was nicely balanced with the XR rockers.




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    Quote Originally Posted by 2unfit2ride
    tburger, yup I new

    Thanks for the link, the thread I posted shows the middle guide drilled, I have routed the cables differently so the brake hose is on the left hand side (as you sit on the bike), is this wrong? I can't see any set up guide for the Burner, although that probably because I'm being dense, I don't want to get this one wrong, I guess there is no second chance

    Any way I'll have a quick read before I retire for the evening.
    Thanks.
    I'm familiar with that thread... it's my bike!
    I thought about that routing, too, and I don't think there's any right or wrong whether the rear brake runs along the middle or left line. I chose to run the brake in the middle for two reasons. 1) It just looks more balanced. 2) Since the rear mech cable has to run from the left side back to the drive side, it made more sense to have the cable on the left and the brake line in the center along the top tube.

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    Thanks tburger, nice bike, & some loverly bikes above, I can't wait to finish mine.
    Cheers.

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    welcome to the big show! its a cool place for fun and info as yer seein.

    as far as the routing, im a big fan of smooth curves to shifter lines whenever possible. right shifter to left side, left to right, hydro line to center since fluid doesnt bind or drag when bent.

    as youve been told, yer gonna dig the burner. my '96 is still goin strong with regular use up till '03 when it got parked for the most part. ive rebuilt it and ridden it from time to time since then but its once again missin a few bits now. and no, ya cant have my xr's.
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    Evening all (or is that afternoon?) the rest of the bits turned up today so I have just finished putting her together, here's just a couple of quick pics as promised, the gallery (incase the pictures vanish) can be found at http://gallery41647.fotopic.net/c651582.html, but you'll have to wade though the dross to find the cream

    Here you go





    Oh, the thing about the cable routing had me baffled for a while, then I realised us Brits do it back to front, so the brake cable will run down the left side, not drilled it yet as I haven't ridden it, but it will get done.
    Talking of riding my new stead, the helicopter tape I ordered hasn't arrived, so unless it turns up tomorrow morning the inaugural ride may be postponed

    Cheers for all your kind advice & comments above.

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    Those are 650b convertible

    just saying

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    Nice pics and very nice bike 2U . I think what you meant was we Brits put our brake levers on the correct side?

    Is that a Recaro office chair?

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    Erm, jrm, excuse me if this sounds rude, but WTF did you just say?

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    Recaro R us?

    Dude that's the COOLEST baby seat I've ever seen.

    * edit: Crap, Tidyshag beat me to it!

    Kickarse and congrats on the NOS scooter, and welcome aboard!
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    I had no idea Recaro made such comfy looking kids' bike seats

    If you don't want to dremel out the stops, I have used the Jagwire inserts on my other bikes and they work quite well
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tidybeard
    Nice pics and very nice bike 2U . I think what you meant was we Brits put our brake levers on the correct side?

    Is that a Recaro office chair?

    Lol, erm, this is an American site right?, best not go there

    Oh & its a Recaro seat ripped out of a 911 RS bolted to a cheap office chair base, I don't know if that make it a Recaro office chair though

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2unfit2ride
    Lol, erm, this is an American site right?, best not go there

    Oh & its a Recaro seat ripped out of a 911 RS bolted to a cheap office chair base, I don't know if that make it a Recaro office chair though
    Excellent. FrankenRecaro! Nice work Does the 911 owner know you took it or are you from Liverpool?

    Yes, it's an American site, but they like a bit of rough and tumble. I'm trying to educate them about brake levers and forks, but they're a bit slow on the uptake. Perhaps you can help?
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    Cutthroat, cheers, your links & advice have been a great help, although I'm already using the above for the time being.
    Thanks all, its been fun, but I'm off to watch a film now, catch you all tomorrow.
    Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tidybeard
    Yes, it's an American site, but they like a bit of rough and tumble. I'm trying to educate them about brake levers and forks, but they're a bit slow on the uptake. Perhaps you can help?
    FYI - a bike has a fork not "forks", Zilla is in the hospital, not "in hospital", and My friend is going to the University, not "to University.",
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    Quote Originally Posted by cutthroat
    FYI - a bike has a fork not "forks", Zilla is in the hospital, not "in hospital", and My friend is going to the University, not "to University.",
    See what I mean 2U? There is much work to be done here . And Cutthroat is in his eighties, so there's not much time

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    Excuse me Cutty, but the rumours of my demise have been greatly exaggurated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla
    Excuse me Cutty, but the rumours of my demise have been greatly exaggerated.
    He didn't say you were dead, merely in (this space intentionally left blank) hospital. I assumed it was down to too much time in the spandex?

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    Oh boo hoo, call a solicitor.
    Forgot the emphasis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tidybeard
    And Cutthroat is in his eighties, so there's not much time
    I am old, but biking keeps me thin and looking much younger than my true age.
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    Alex, why are you in hospital? Are you having a cow?
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    This website is a great aid for communicating with our fellow Homers in the British Isles - an American English to British English translator: http://www.translatebritish.com/reverse.php

    To wit:

    American - That sl*t that Tidybeard picked up at the bar smells like old sheep's balls and has an ass the size of a truck.

    British: That shanky that Tidybeard picked up at the boozer smells fancy olde sheep's goolies and has an arse the size of a lorry
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    Quote Originally Posted by cutthroat
    I am old, but biking keeps me thin and looking much younger than my true age.
    I have been wondering what Slash looks like these days. I apologise Cutty, I was a big fan of yours in the '80s (I get it now - Cutthroat/Slash - subtle). I tried for years to learn the guitar solos from Sweet Child O' Mine but as with just about everything I attempt, I had to give up because I was crap.

    Perhaps a signed photo would boost Zilla's spirits while he recovers?

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    Lol, this site is funny, I never thought a bunch of anal brand lovers would have a sense of humor, it would never happen on STW, I guess us Brits always did have a plum up are arses

    Oh, Mr beard, I'm not from the pool, I'm a gunner & north london till I die

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    Quote Originally Posted by cutthroat
    British: That shanky that Tidybeard picked up at the boozer smells fancy olde sheep's goolies and has an arse the size of a lorry
    Variation : That slapper that Tidybeard picked up at the pub smells like a ram's knackers and has a back door like Eddie Stobart. He should never have married her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2unfit2ride
    Lol, this site is funny, I never thought a bunch of anal brand lovers would have a sense of humor
    I think only a few hard core Homers like Cactus and Tscheezy ever went in for the anal branding thing - too painful, and I hear they took forever to heal up
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    Oh dear, it gets better, sod the film.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2unfit2ride
    Oh dear, it gets better, sod the film.
    Movie?

    Sorry for derailing your thread, it seems to happen quite often but it's a good introduction.

    Agree with Cutty on the anal branding being a bad idea thing, for humans at least.

    I heard CC has a "Six Pack" tattoo in an intimate place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tidybeard
    Movie?

    Sorry for derailing your thread, it seems to happen quite often but it's a good introduction.

    Agree with Cutty on the anal branding being a bad idea thing, for humans at least.

    I heard CC has a "Six Pack" tattoo in an intimate place.

    Hey, if it gets serious I'm out of here, derail away!
    I was thinking of getting a Turner tat, do you think I should restrain?, I don't want to be like our sailors and commit prematurely, it's not like she is my first love or anything

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2unfit2ride
    Hey, if it gets serious I'm out of here, derail away!
    I was thinking of getting a Turner tat, do you think I should restrain?, I don't want to be like our sailors and commit prematurely, it's not like she is my first love or anything
    I'm not a fan of the "tramp stamp", (even if it does say Turner) but each to his/her own. I'll have to take your word for it on the "premature" behaviour of sailors....

    Anyhow, well past my bedtime and Cutthroat will be tucked up with a good book and a hot chocolate (even though it's only 4pm for him ) so I'll bid you good night.

    Post up ride pics when you can, and enjoy the bike!

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    Maybe you can get an "Ellsworth" tat on yer bum. Then all the buggering will make sense.
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    Who is this "Slash" person? I was always more of a Karen Carpenter fan.

    'Zilla, I didn't mean to imply that you were actually in the hospital, it was metaphorical, but I do appreciate how we both nailed the Recaro babyseat thing - great minds thinking alike and all. The most redeeming feature of this thread is that it actually has Turner content and no Hoff content. (yet)
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    Quote Originally Posted by cutthroat
    The most redeeming feature of this thread is that it actually has Turner content and no Hoff content. (yet)
    ...Or Barkley Jobs.




    BTW cutty, I knew you were only citing an example, I forgot to pay my imoticon bill last month and dHarriet cut me off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cutthroat
    FYI - a bike has a fork not "forks", Zilla is in the hospital, not "in hospital", and My friend is going to the University, not "to University.",
    LOL! Funny you should mention it.
    Good timing.
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    I'm sorry, it's approaching the witching hour, would you mind awfully if I let you friendly folk (that is American for gay right?) get on with your evening?

    Cheers old bean/s.

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    Blimey, this here thread has become a tad curious.
    Toounfittoride: It is indeed rather different on this forum than on singletrackworld, and all the more agreeable for it, despite the poor spelling of the Queen's English.
    Anyroad, I'm off for a nice cup of tea before bed. Toodlepip.
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    Yeah - the spelling is an issue, it's GHEY not gay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla
    Maybe you can get an "Ellsworth" tat on yer bum. Then all the buggering will make sense.
    Even better: "Those Who Ride, Know"

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    Platforms?

    Get rid of those 2 by 4's and git some clipless pedals. Never ride x-country w/ flats.
    Too wet to ride!

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    Cutty, please ....you are making fun of English English talk about pots and kettles...only in America would you hear words like winningest, incentivization, irregardless and Bush's FavoUrite strategery on a daily basis.

    Why if you are the overall champion of the National Football League or the National basketball Association can you announce yourselves as world champions? When Ipswich Town win the Premier League they will be champions of England not the world.

    And lastly, if the front brake on a motor bike is on the right WTF is it the other way on a bicycle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tburger
    Even better: "Those Who Ride, Know"

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