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    Finally! Been begging DT for such a bike going on four years; guess it took 650b to make it happen. Can't wait to see geo, but it looks sufficiently long, low (bb height well below axle centerline), and slack at first glance.
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    Just what I have been waiting for. Thanks DT. The increased standover is cool too. This gave me my first woodrow after the vasectomy I had six hours ago. This helps make up for my lost saddle time.

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    Nice! Good to see new models rolling out of the Turner camp.

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    We done DT and Crew, looks great. Want one.

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    Interesting comments over on that story.
    So it seems to me to be, this thing that I think I see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy View Post
    Interesting comments over on that story.
    One of them is mine I would LOVE to be back on a Turner, but I need a XC race bike, and not a 29er... 120mm is fine, the frame just needs to be a little lighter. Or carbon (and therefore lighter).

    Besides the reported weight... a very nice bike and obviously well thought out. I agree that most of the comments over on bikerumor are inane at best.

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    I had a Flux for a few years. Loved it. Great handling. Now on a different 26er. When it comes time for a new bike, this is something I'd be interested in. My only question: is 650 that much different from 26? On my 29er I really do notice the "rollover" effect, but I just can't see how the 650 can be that much of a difference over the 26. I guess I'm just seeing the argument of some that 650 is a bit of a compromise, and doesn't have the benefits of the other sizes. I guess I could ask this question on the 650 forum, but thought I'd get a less biased opinion here. I'm definitely interested, but not 100% sold. Where I am, I doubt I could get a test ride on any 650 any time soon.

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    The comments are spot-on.

    That bike wins zero beauty contests.

    Probably rides well though, if you're into that kinda thing.
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    Anybody else craving a burrito?

    What's the price point?

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    Re: New 650b Flux Spotted

    I have to agree with the comments too. The bike is not the nicest out there. I like the straight tubes on other Turner bikes.

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    Wrong wheel size, not enough travel, not carbon. Spot on!
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    [QUOTE=jazzanova;10475045]I have to agree with the comments too. The bike is not the nicest out there. I like the straight tubes on other Turner bikes.

    Agreed. As someone who has owned an RFX, older Sultan and newer Sultan, I just prefer the dropped, straight top tube with the taco/burrito/chimichanga/etc brace. The curved top tube just looks too much like a Giant to me. If any input is still being accepted by Turner, please keep the straight/welded brace top tube.

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    The new bikes GT just announced are all 27.5 or 29. No 26 will be made. It looks like Turner is moving away from 26 as well. Will there be any new bikes in 2015 that are 26"? I almost think it is conspiracy to kill the 26" bike.
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    Another View>>

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    Re: New 650b Flux Spotted

    The bike manufacturers are moving their lines where the demand is. And right now, 29 and 650b is what people want. No conspiracy, consumer driven market.

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    Available direct w/ XX1 build?
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    New 650b Flux Spotted

    I think the photo on BikeRumour is a large or XL. The mediums are always easier on the eye.
    +1 for keeping the Mexican touch/ straight tubes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deanopatoni View Post
    +1 for keeping the Mexican touch/ straight tubes.
    Tout fait !

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    I too wish it weighed less but then again, it's within a few grams of my 2008 Spot HL. But to it's advantage, I believe the Flux includes the rear 142mm axle in its 6.25lb frame weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chunkylover53 View Post
    is 650 that much different from 26?
    I can only answer this as someone who has not ridden a 29er (except for road bikes) and had no interest in bigger wheels but decided to give the Burner a try. For me it is very different than 26 and has been really enjoyable to ride up and down. The big selling point was the promise that it would roll faster downhill on flatter sections of trail and since I like going faster this has been noticeable and fun. I'm definitely climbing faster on it too which is something I'm enjoying more than I thought I would. But since I've not ridden 29ers I would never try to convince a 29er lover that the 27.5 is going to live up to their expectations. So much personal preference and more awareness now of the subtle differences, bit of a gamble but you are not going to get your answer until you try it. Funny to see people trying to unload their 10k Bronsons already...

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    Another solid looking machine. Does look a little odd with out the Burrito though. Looking forward to see what else is coming down the line, will be fun to see what's next.

    happy trails...

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    Quote Originally Posted by deanopatoni View Post
    I think the photo on BikeRumour is a large or XL. The mediums are always easier on the eye.
    +1 for keeping the Mexican touch/ straight tubes.
    +2 for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by deanopatoni View Post
    +1 for keeping the Mexican touch/ straight tubes.
    Not sure what is the Mexican touch, but, being Mexican and owning a Flux, I'm going for this one.
    I'll take advantage of the Turner4Turner as soon as the new Flux is available.

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    Yeah, I would echo the same sentiments about keeping the straight tubes. It's kind of a trade mark look already and looks very industrial. The bent top tube looks out of place in the frame.

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    I bet the bent TT is to keep weight down, the burrito prolly would add a quarter lb....so what do you do? Keep the weight "low" or satisfy the traditionalists who like the standard look? Plus the bent tube frame may be less costly to produce.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nels View Post
    I bet the bent TT is to keep weight down, the burrito prolly would add a quarter lb....so what do you do? Keep the weight "low" or satisfy the traditionalists who like the standard look? Plus the bent tube frame may be less costly to produce.
    Good points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doccoraje View Post
    Not sure what is the Mexican touch
    A frame with design elements that reference Mexican food.

    I love burritos!

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    Quote Originally Posted by deanopatoni View Post
    Good points.
    Ditto,
    But a signature is a signature,
    straight tubes and burritos are DT's,
    But then again, things change, and so everybody does...
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    For me, the bent top tube is a good evolution.
    I am note sure that the pictures on Bike Rumor really do justice to this new Flux. Especially because of the rear wheel that lays on a rock: it's hard to really imagine the real shape of the bike.
    I would certainly consider buying one next year...

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    Add another 5mm of travel and DT could have called it the 5-spot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by deanopatoni View Post
    A frame with a design elements that reference Mexican food. I love burritos!
    Hungry right now
    Got it just after posting.
    Anyway, as a declared weight-weenie, I can live without the burrito for the weight savings.

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    It's odd to me that weight could be saved with this change. A normal straight tube has most of the force running straight down it. Putting a bend in a tube adds a lot of force to that tube, so it theoretically has to be beefed up. I would think the triangle formed by the old setup would have the potential to be the lighter option.

    It seems more likely to me that Turner is following the standard trends. Almost every other FS design has bent tubes all over the place. I'm not a fan of the direction most bikes have gone aesthetically, so I'm against this top-tube change regardless of whether it saves a few grams or not.

    More important than looks, though, is will it accept low-q cranks?

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    New 650b Flux Spotted

    Wasn't the taco or burrito junction a prior weak link? IIRC, that's why Turner moved to the burrito. Perhaps this is a further improvement?

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    New 650b Flux Spotted

    Looks like the back end would bolt on to earlier Fluxes as well. I'm sure someone will try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nels View Post
    I bet the bent TT is to keep weight down, the burrito prolly would add a quarter lb....so what do you do? Keep the weight "low" or satisfy the traditionalists who like the standard look? Plus the bent tube frame may be less costly to produce.
    It definitely reduces weight, but adds annealing, two stage forming and heat treating to the process.
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    It's still .1 pound heavier that the 2010 Large Flux I just received and weighed yesterday. I guess 120 is the new 100 but for me and my trails 100 is better. Think I'll wait for the carbon version.

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    Uh do you guys know its wrapped around bigger wheels, which means longer spans, more clearance needed, and just plain more metal to hold it all together. Yes the weight is there and you will supposedly go faster with bigger wheels, so higher loads will be present, while trying to keep the ride Turner rigid laterally. It's less clutter and I think since the Czar went non elevated chainstay w the DW it was super clean, that the rest of the line could use that treatment and save some weight and aesthetics. I also rotated the picture and it looks better. Advancement, like evolution may have some not so pretty offspring. haha.
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    I'm a short guy with short legs so I like the bent top tube for a small bike, on a small frame the top tube can start from the head tube aimed at the shock and then bend upward to miss the shock/rockers at the seat tube, so it makes sense. I agree that on the larger bike pictured, where there would be plenty of room to run a straight tube and add the toco/burrito for stiffness it dosn't look correct. I'd like to see a profile picture of a small built up.

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    I wasn't sure when I first saw the pictures, but I reckon it's a grower aesthetically. Remember how 29ers looked a bit daft when they came out? But how the eye accommodates change over time....and now 29er wheels look pretty normal (well, to me at least!). Similarly the aesthetic changes from the clean lines of horst/tnt to the more complicated look of the dw link was a bit hard to swallow initially, but now I think the Turner DWs look great. So I'm getting used to the lack of Mexican food on the top-tube. It makes a lot of sense as well structurally I guess.

    But as we all know in homerland the main deal is function leading over form....having recently demo'd a Burner but coming from an XC background I reckon that new flux is going to ride absolute A1 killer. Head angle looks nice and slack in that rotated photo also!
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    Saw this image in the PressCamp blog. Size small? Looks like a ripper.


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    I have honestly been waiting for this bike. I'm glad they are making it and just in time as my current flux is getting long on the tooth.
    Last edited by FireLikeIYA; 06-19-2013 at 11:42 PM.
    Killing it with close inspection.

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    I asked the makeup person to put some matte clear coat on the chrome but they ran out before they could finish the job. will wear a hat next time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes View Post
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    will wear a hat next time!

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    LOL :-D:-D:-D
    Come on guys,
    you're giving DT a hard time,
    When trails gets tougher, Just stand up and deliver.

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    That's nice!
    Medium doesn't looks bad...
    When trails gets tougher, Just stand up and deliver.

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    New 650b Flux Spotted

    Quote Originally Posted by Bike Zen View Post
    A few fabrication pics on our Facebook page as well.
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    Nice photos Zen. I like the blueprint picture.

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    at first i thought this thing looked like a alu Pivot, which is not a compliment. I then proceeded to do as done above and leveled the photo out. What a difference it made.Realizing the frame was quite large also explained some of the looks, but this thing actually looks pretty nice. The eventual carbon version is probably gonna look sleek as hel l. I really like that Turner is continuing pushing out both alu and carbon frames, giving people the option to choose.

    Good job DT and nice manufacturing Zen Can't waitto see some more photos of this baby, though i must admit to having zero plans of buying one. Like my old fluxes to much to replace em

    edit: scarp that, the new bike looks pretty dang nice. Slap a ccdb air on the rear and a little bit burlier fork up front with an angle set and it would probably be a seriously fun light trail killer - though it probably really nice as it is. Oh my, i really wanna try one now. Damn you DT! Looking forward to the geo figures.

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    ISCG05 mounts?

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    Similar with Taiwan bike Giant Trance. People demand 160mm travel bikes but Turner give 120mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mu27is View Post
    Similar with Taiwan bike Giant Trance. People demand 160mm travel bikes but Turner give 120mm.
    What's your point?
    So it seems to me to be, this thing that I think I see.

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    PressCamp Day 2, Part 1 | Bicycle Retailer and Industry News

    Looks like 68 degree HA is the word. Very attractive indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes View Post
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    I asked the makeup person to put some matte clear coat on the chrome but they ran out before they could finish the job. will wear a hat next time!

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    I'm really diggin it. 140 on the front ok?
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    Looks better in the medium than the first pic above, this in a small or even that medium may be my XC rig, geometry, standover and top tube dimensions dependant of course.

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    Nice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by deanopatoni View Post
    Nice photos Zen. I like the blueprint picture.
    Thanks!
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    How soon before details are released? What type of BB does it use?
    Killing it with close inspection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mu27is View Post
    Similar with Taiwan bike Giant Trance. People demand 160mm travel bikes but Turner give 120mm.
    So you've done the extensive market research to come to that conclusion?

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    thanks for the build pics Zen.
    Looks like threads in the BB.

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    Thanks for that one, now I'll have to start saving some $$$$
    good info!

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    New 650b Flux Spotted-poofta.jpg
    My 2004 Burner has had 120mm for years. XR Rockers and a reba baby! Pretty much the same as the new Flux (albeit with 26" wheels). Glad to see Dave finally caught up with me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tedroy View Post
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    My 2004 Burner has had 120mm for years. XR Rockers and a reba baby! Pretty much the same as the new Flux (albeit with 26" wheels). Glad to see Dave finally caught up with me.
    Old School vs new school is always a transition. Glad to see some hydro forming on this new model. I think it looks great!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tedroy View Post
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    My 2004 Burner has had 120mm for years. XR Rockers and a reba baby! Pretty much the same as the new Flux (albeit with 26" wheels). Glad to see Dave finally caught up with me.
    I thought those old burners came with 3.6" and the XR rockers got them to 4" (100). They had the same rear travel as the XCE only lighter frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    Thanks for the link. So far it looks like geometry is as follows:

    Based on 120mm fork

    BB height: 12.8"
    HT angle: 68
    ST angle: 73

    Tire clearance up to 2.3"

    Does anyone know the axle to crown height that these numbers are based on? I am guessing this is with a 2014 32 float 27.5" 120mm fork and I can't find this information online..
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    Looking and sounding like a nice ride. Surprised its not carbon, but glad it is Aluminum. At least my wallet is.

    Have to try it and a Czar and a Burner. One of those is perfect for my riding I bet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireLikeIYA View Post

    BB height: 12.8"
    grumble

    Where's the 26" version with this measurement?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tedroy View Post
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    M Pretty much the same as the new Flux (albeit with 26" wheels).
    Except for the higher bottom bracket, steeper head tube angle, no DW link and 26" wheels - it's pretty much the same!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tedroy View Post
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    My 2004 Burner has had 120mm for years. XR Rockers and a reba baby! Pretty much the same as the new Flux (albeit with 26" wheels). Glad to see Dave finally caught up with me.
    Awesome vintage Turner. Now that the Horst patent has expired, I hope more Horst bikes come back, like the new Hammerhead. What I'd really like to see is a new version of my all-time favorite ride - a Turner 5-Spot with a Horst...
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    This looks like a great option.
    I might have missed it, but couldn't see the chain stay length. Anyone know what it is?
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    This looks like a great option.
    I might have missed it, but couldn't see the chain stay length. Anyone know what it is?
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    17.4" rings a bell. (Can't recall where I read this)

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    My NEW FLUX

    This is my new ride! Been on it for a month and I absolutely LOVE it! Amazing handling, precise and planted. Color is Arctic Grey from Dura Coat. XL 27.12 pounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brown Snake View Post
    This is my new ride! Been on it for a month and I absolutely LOVE it! Amazing handling, precise and planted. Color is Arctic Grey from Dura Coat. XL 27.12 pounds.
    What? A month? No head badge? Hmmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brown Snake View Post
    This is my new ride! Been on it for a month and I absolutely LOVE it! Amazing handling, precise and planted. Color is Arctic Grey from Dura Coat. XL 27.12 pounds.
    Awesome! Looks great. I already forgot about the burrito. Gimmie a large ASAP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobo_krkk_NIN View Post
    What? A month? No head badge? Hmmm
    Pre-production test bike. I am customizing the head badge and it'd be REALLY hard to FAKE a 2014 frame.

    This is possibly the BEST riding Turner I've had the privilege to ride and I've been riding Turner Bikes for close to 13 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squish View Post
    Another solid looking machine. Does look a little odd with out the Burrito though. Looking forward to see what else is coming down the line, will be fun to see what's next.

    happy trails...

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    Looks the same as the DHR which is sans Mexican.
    Rolling on 29", 650b, 8.3" and 23mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6thElement View Post
    Looks the same as the DHR which is sans Mexican.
    A svelte DHR top tube!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brown Snake View Post
    Pre-production test bike. I am customizing the head badge and it'd be REALLY hard to FAKE a 2014 frame.

    This is possibly the BEST riding Turner I've had the privilege to ride and I've been riding Turner Bikes for close to 13 years.
    BS, You're a lucky man
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    Quote Originally Posted by deanopatoni View Post
    17.4" rings a bell. (Can't recall where I read this)
    Posted on the Turner website
    Better to have and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

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