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    Which magic Pixie Dust flavor?

    So now that DT will be moving production overseas what kind of magic Pixie Dust will he have to employ for his made in Taiwan DW carbon frames?

    I mean this is a drastic change, we all know how the Homers felt about the DW carbon Ibis just a short time ago. The DW Pixie Dust he used last year will just not cut it this go around, it needs to be something special if the TurNERDS are to swallow made overseas carbon as well!

    Any ideas??

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    Taiwan is better at making carbon frames than anyone else. It's pretty much that simple.

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    You been taking lessons at bad troll bait from Bryan again, Rick?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2TurnersNotEnough
    You been taking lessons at bad troll bait from Bryan again, Rick?
    I would appreciate it if you would stay on topic, I don't know who Bryan is but do you have anything to contribute or not?

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    Rick, you know that pile of ashes that you find on your pillow every morning? That should work just fine.
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    Turners are already made overseas. I don't think it's ruined them.

    Ricardo, have you ever been to this mythical "overseas" place? Past the end of your street?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tidybeard
    Turners are already made overseas. I don't think it's ruined them.

    Ricardo, have you ever been to this mythical "overseas" place? Past the end of your street?
    Good point, maybe you could provide some valuable input on how you live with yourself not buying UK made bikes, must be good stuff that Turner pixie dust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    Rick, you know that pile of ashes that you find on your pillow every morning? That should work just fine.
    I wish Turner would stuff a fat bud in the headtube like other mfg's do, instead of sprinkling magic pixie dust.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rroeder
    Good point, maybe you could provide some valuable input on how you live with yourself not buying UK made bikes, must be good stuff that Turner pixie dust.
    It's hard, but I get over it. Luckily, the UK bike industry is still the largest and most envied in the world.

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    I didn't know trek, specialized, and santa cruz were brittish companies

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flystagg
    I didn't know trek, specialized, and santa cruz were brittish companies
    Don't mind him, his poor oral hygeine from living over there has affected his brain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flystagg
    I didn't know trek, specialized, and santa cruz were brittish companies
    It's British. And it's OK not to know, you learn something every day.

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    i know this always makes me feel better.

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    nothing witty here...

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    stock EBM, of course
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tidybeard
    Turners are already made overseas. I don't think it's ruined them.

    Ricardo, have you ever been to this mythical "overseas" place? Past the end of your street?
    Exactly. It's probably the aversion to frames not built by white people that is causing the biggest problem. Jobs only to white anglo saxon protestants!

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    Quote Originally Posted by glitz
    Exactly. It's probably the aversion to frames not built by white people that is causing the biggest problem. Jobs only to white anglo saxon protestants!





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    Quote Originally Posted by glitz
    Exactly. It's probably the aversion to frames not built by white people that is causing the biggest problem. Jobs only to white anglo saxon protestants!

    Wrong answer.....next !
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    Quote Originally Posted by glitz
    Exactly. It's probably the aversion to frames not built by white people that is causing the biggest problem. Jobs only to white anglo saxon protestants!

    What do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tidybeard




    Well, it's true. Look at how no one brings up the outsourcing/foreign topic when they buy something from Germany, or various parts of Europe. The aversion comes when speaking of Asian countries, to varying degrees, but no one has problems with buying Hope, Formula (are they even made in Italy anymore?), Zoke pre Taiwan, Magura, DT Swiss, and several others. All that crap is outsourced, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rroeder
    What do you mean?
    The one on the far right (no political pun intended) is clearly a Messkin.

    The one at the back has just stolen everyone else's wallets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glitz
    Well, it's true. Look at how no one brings up the outsourcing/foreign topic when they buy something from Germany, or various parts of Europe.
    You have a point. Rick, care to sprinkle some of your well-researched and impeccably argued fairy dust on this conundrum?

    Edit - Squeak, stop lurking and post something Doctorly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2w4s
    i know this always makes me feel better.

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    Those Taiwainese performers sure are weird

    or is he British...the bad teeth might be a giveaway
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    Oh, I forgot Canada in that mix. I understand they're the 51st state, btw. The problems come when companies start manufacturing in Mexico and points south...

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    Quote Originally Posted by glitz
    no one has problems with buying Hope, Formula (are they even made in Italy anymore?), Zoke pre Taiwan, Magura, DT Swiss, and several others. All that crap is outsourced, too.
    Italian/German/Swiss components made in their respective countries are hardly "outsourced" (at least as you're applying the term). When production is moved off shore, typically as a cost saving measure, well then that's hard to get excited about.
    ''It seems like a bit of a trend, everyone trying to make things longer over the last couple of years" Sam Hill

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Squeaky Wheel
    Those Taiwainese performers sure are weird

    or is he British...the bad teeth might be a giveaway
    Do you mean brittish, home of the global bike industry?

    This is exactly how I picture Rroeder serenading his wife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tidybeard
    Rick, care to sprinkle some of your well-researched and impeccably argued fairy dust on this conundrum?
    That's why I started this thread, I don't have a clue how he's gonna come up with the right Pixie dust for this application!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tidybeard
    You have a point. Rick, care to sprinkle some of your well-researched and impeccably argued fairy dust on this conundrum?

    Edit - Squeak, stop lurking and post something Doctorly.
    No pixie dust required. Dave Turner will instead use shavings from Fo's forehead
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Squeaky Wheel
    Those Taiwainese performers sure are weird

    or is he British...the bad teeth might be a giveaway
    That's what happens when homers inbreed

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    Wait,




    are utards protestants???



    and does knolly come with nugs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by miles e
    Italian/German/Swiss components made in their respective countries are hardly "outsourced" (at least as you're applying the term). When production is moved off shore, typically as a cost saving measure, well then that's hard to get excited about.
    The result is the same, and a counter to the argument many use: They don't help keep American jobs here, especially when there are alternatives available that are domestic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Squeaky Wheel
    No pixie dust required. Dave Turner will instead use shavings from Fo's forehead
    But what will happen when the first million frames have been sprinkled and the FoHead is down to 60% capacity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rroeder
    That's what happens when homers inbreed

    Purebloods, my man. Purebloods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tidybeard
    Edit - Squeak, stop lurking and post something Doctorly.
    I've redirected my focus of medical practice from gynecomastia to hirsutism.

    Just how Tidy is your beard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by glitz
    The result is the same, and a counter to the argument many use: They don't help keep American jobs here, especially when there are alternatives available that are domestic.
    I cannot think of a single bike company (or any company) that has moved it's production to a western european country. not trying to be a jerk, i just can't think of a single one. I know that certain eastern european countries are being considered to be the next areas to receive large manufacturing plants due to their depressed economy and lax environmental laws, and when that happens it will be just a discouraging to the people who have lost their jobs.
    nothing witty here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2w4s
    I cannot think of a single bike company (or any company) that has moved it's production to a western european country. not trying to be a jerk, i just can't think of a single one. I know that certain eastern european countries are being considered to be the next areas to receive large manufacturing plants due to their depressed economy and lax environmental laws, and when that happens it will be just a discouraging to the people who have lost their jobs.
    I didn't say that. I said "we buy components from all over the world, but people look at components from certain countries better than others and cast aside their prejudices selectively".

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    Quote Originally Posted by glitz
    The result is the same, and a counter to the argument many use: They don't help keep American jobs here, especially when there are alternatives available that are domestic.
    I don't think anyone buys European products in hopes of keep jobs in America. To the extent that someone might prefer a German/Swiss/Italian made item over an Asian made one, it most likely has to do with (perceived) quality.

    Personally, I much prefer to buy an American engineered/built product if possible. If that is not an option, I'll be more likely to buy an item where production has not been sent offshore (e.g. Shimano rather than SRAM), regardless of what continent the company happens to be in.

    BTW, a counter argument to your point of view would be: "Why should I buy an American designed product built in Taiwan- isn't that racist to suggest that Taiwan engineers are any less capable than ones in America?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by miles e
    I don't think anyone buys European products in hopes of keep jobs in America. To the extent that someone might prefer a German/Swiss/Italian made item over an Asian made one, it most likely has to do with (perceived) quality.

    Personally, I much prefer to buy an American engineered/built product if possible. If that is not an option, I'll be more likely to buy an item where production has not been sent offshore (e.g. Shimano rather than SRAM), regardless of what continent the company happens to be in.

    BTW, a counter argument to your point of view would be: "Why should I buy an American designed product built in Taiwan- isn't that racist to suggest that Taiwan engineers are any less capable than ones in America?"
    Well, it's also more complex than that, as an amendment to your last point could also be that of the globalisation debate, which discovered that in many sectors, jobs were being created domestically to operate the oursourced labor components overseas, revealing that jobs are not being lost in the manner people think, but the type of demand and supply of labor skills is shifting, and definitely towards the intellectual. The result of this is (in economic terms) a short term loss of jobs in sectors as the population shifts and adapts. However, these cute economic anecdotes and studies don't do anything to factor in the human factor and costs in their pretty little TPS reports which only have parameters in currency.

    So, is it racist? I don't know, I've seen good stuff come out of places around the world my whole life. To date, I have not been wowed by what the bike industry has done with Taiwan as a resource. Maybe that will change in the future, but there is good stuff coming out of nearly every country in the world, and the Taiwan bike industry is no exception, but it's up to the designer to make sure it is executed right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glitz
    The result is the same, and a counter to the argument many use: They don't help keep American jobs here, especially when there are alternatives available that are domestic.
    I believe the EU limits the amount of products that can be imported from China.

    If there are two suppliers and you can't purchase the Chinese made one, you'll invariably purchase the non-Chinese product. That product may or may not be made in the USA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notaknob
    I believe the EU limits the amount of products that can be imported from China.

    If there are two suppliers and you can't purchase the Chinese made one, you'll invariably purchase the non-Chinese product. That product may or may not be made in the USA.
    Good to hear, but why is it nearly impossible to buy anything that's not made in China then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by glitz
    Good to hear, but why is it nearly impossible to buy anything that's not made in China then?
    The economics of capitalism can be hard to understand but Communist China seems to have figured it out.

    Try finding a food product not made with High-fructose corn syrup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rroeder
    What do you mean?
    Rickie Rick, the more you open your pie hole the more I'm convinced you're roid-raging more than you're wrapping your fat lips around a pipe. Anyway, El Chingon is 50% Mexican and the only thing more creepy than the sausage fest happening in that photos is the fact that it resides on your hard drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glitz
    jobs are not being lost in the manner people think, but the type of demand and supply of labor skills is shifting, and definitely towards the intellectual.
    And how long before those jobs are sent overseas? No one would seriously suggest that Americans are inherently more adept at "intellectual" endeavors, would they?

    The current trade deficit (not to mention the budget deficit ) is unsustainable. To be a long term player in the global economy America needs to produce something other than debt saddled consumers.
    ''It seems like a bit of a trend, everyone trying to make things longer over the last couple of years" Sam Hill

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    Quote Originally Posted by notaknob
    I believe the EU limits the amount of products that can be imported from China.

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    Yes, but the limit is "as many as we can possibly unload from container ships".

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Squeaky Wheel
    I've redirected my focus of medical practice from gynecomastia to hirsutism.

    Just how Tidy is your beard?

    Much tidier than that. This guy is an amateur.

    If you are now practicing hirsuitism can you suggest some ways to de-fur the wife? A full body wax on a daily basis just isn't cutting it any more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrashTheDOG
    Rickie Rick, the more you open your pie hole the more I'm convinced you're roid-raging more than you're wrapping your fat lips around a pipe. Anyway, El Chingon is 50% Mexican and the only thing more creepy than the sausage fest happening in that photos is the fact that it resides on your hard drive.
    Roids? uhhh no

    Actually that pic was emailed to me by one of your *Team* fans. That is surprising Ben is half Mexican, didn't realize Team Sanchez was so diverse!
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