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    Looking for some Phat Meat.

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    Top quality, TRUE UST DH/FR tires in 2.7

    Must have sturdy sidewalls
    Must corner really well
    Must climb techy stuff really well.
    Must not cost more than the wheel it's on.

    Continental need not apply.

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    When I really need big tires I swap out my WTB's for 2.8 Michelin DH 32 A/T. Real heavy and slow rolling but they grip really, really well.

    EDIT: I looked at the claimed weight which is 1350 grams = 2.98 lbs, but when I weighed mine they came out 3.1 lbs each.

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    MJ, are they UST?
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    i heard the new rfx was gonna be beefyer, have a lower b/bkt and slacker h/t but thats a bit much, isnt it? and what happened to yer highline build? rear end looks a bit noodley too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla
    MJ, are they UST?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla
    Wanted:

    Top quality, TRUE UST DH/FR tires in 2.7

    Must have sturdy sidewalls
    Must corner really well
    Must climb techy stuff really well.
    Must not cost more than the wheel it's on.

    Continental need not apply.

    East Coast compatibility required.
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    So you don't want to get a MHR 2.7 UST?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla
    MJ, are they UST?
    Yep. UST and tube.

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    Scuba, I definately want the MHRs in 2.7 but I notice Maxxis does not list that size on their site. I figure they may be discontinued so I'm looking for alternatives JIC I can't find them.

    The Michs are interesting but I'd like to hear from someone with North East time on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla
    Scuba, I definately want the MHRs in 2.7 but I notice Maxxis does not list that size on their site. I figure they may be discontinued so I'm looking for alternatives JIC I can't find them.

    The Michs are interesting but I'd like to hear from someone with North East time on them.
    I don't know if Maxxis ever listed it on their site. I just know my LBS has them.
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    The comp 32's are huge, nearly a motorcycle tire. Might be good for super rough, dry & rocky terrain (Like northstar?) but I woudn't choose them for extended pedaling anywhere or wet conditions (small tightly spaced lugs). Having said that I do have some friends that like them here.

    I really like michelin DH tires. Picking the right one can be tricky. All their DH tires are UST/Nagesti compatible and have excellent sidewall durability.

    Comp 24's are my default for summer riding here. Not too heavy to climb with, but thick enough for repetitive fast rocky DH runs. The 2.5 is an honest 2.5, perfect size for FR/DM IMHO. Excellent traction on dry rock and wood. Good at lower pressures which helps in the wet. But the round profile and lug spacing make them not so hot in really wet conditions.

    Comp 16's are basically a really burly maxxis high roller. Lighter, slightly thinner casing and smaller, more square profile. Excellent mud tire. Too square for dry rock, the tall side lugs start to feel squirmy.

    Hutchinson Octopus tires have become my favorite do-all tires. I think you can still get the 2.5's at greenfish sports for $20. Excellent UST tire, similar in size to the comp 24, a bit thinner. Much better tires than the barracuda (which replaced the octpus) IMHO. Good match for the highline.

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    Thanks for the 411 FM... gotta say a red bike makes em look like A$$... who would ride such a color?
    Greenfish seems to be out of 2.5s $20 bucks is a killer deal even in 2.35s

    Oh yeah not to derail my own thread but any first thoughts on the Avy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla
    Thanks for the 411 FM... gotta say a red bike makes em look like A$$... who would ride such a color?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    Hutchinson Octopus tires have become my favorite do-all tires. I think you can still get the 2.5's at greenfish sports for $20. Excellent UST tire, similar in size to the comp 24, a bit thinner. Much better tires than the barracuda (which replaced the octpus) IMHO. Good match for the highline.

    Just a heads up...Greenfish only has 2.3's left, but ABAXO often has them on Ebay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    If you don't like the color, just cover it with protective tape. It only takes a minute!
    Tape ROX!

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    Good thread.

    Does anyone have a comparison between the tires already mentioned and a Maxxis DHF UST 2.5?

    I am looking for a UST front tire for the DH bike also to be ridden here in the Northeast. I already picked up a MHR UST 2.5 for the rear tire.

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    NYB, I'm running hhe MHRs in 2.5 now. Good tires. FWIW it seems a lot of my buds are riding bigger tires so I'm looking to experiment with something else and see if it improves anything.
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    Yea, I'm with you on the northeastern terrain. Not sure how they behave in your neck of the woods. My experiences agree with FM on the DH Michys: I don't like doing a lot of pedaling with the DH 32's on, uggh. But in the dry, rocky, DH tech, mmmm baby, those tires feel good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nybike1971
    Good thread.

    Does anyone have a comparison between the tires already mentioned and a Maxxis DHF UST 2.5?
    I've heard they were good front/rear

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla
    NYB, I'm running hhe MHRs in 2.5 now. Good tires. FWIW it seems a lot of my buds are riding bigger tires so I'm looking to experiment with something else and see if it improves anything.
    Big tires are a crutch....



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    Zilla: Check out the 2.7 Minion Fs, run them f&r, get the 3C rubber and dump a scoop or two of Stan's in them. With DH tires you don't really need the UST casing, and I run Stans w/ or w/o UST tires because it seals most punctures.
    While they aren't much bigger than a 2.5 HR, they offer more traction and confidence. After years of riding most all of the different dh tires made, I could run only Maxxis Minion DHFs and never miss the rest. One of the best things about the Minion F is that it works great in such a huge range of conditions.
    I do like the High Rollers a lot too.

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    I just got my hands on a few sets of pre-production Maxxis Ardent DH tires. 2.4 and 2.6 in the 3C

    Testing soon!
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    Anyone has the real size and weight of the DHF 2.5"???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp
    Anyone has the real size and weight of the DHF 2.5"???
    From sicklines: "The Maxxis 2.5 DHF UST tires weighed in at ~1250g per tire."

    Also, DHF 2.5 are noticeably smaller than Nevegal 2.5's (Neve's run big and are ALOT heavier) using the same rim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1soulrider
    With DH tires you don't really need the UST casing...
    this is interesting because the UST DH minion is a bit lighter than the normal one. I ordered up some of the UST ones even though I don't have UST rims and plan to run them with tubes. Been running the regular 2.5 DH minions, and considering ghetto tubeless, or if I need to replace a rim will go UST.

    'zilla, even though I haven't used the 2.7 minions, only the 2.5's, that would be my recomendation.

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    Maxxis seems to have dropped the 2.7 UST Minions as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla
    Maxxis seems to have dropped the 2.7 UST Minions as well.
    I don't think there ever was a UST 2.7

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    Quote Originally Posted by geolover
    From sicklines: "The Maxxis 2.5 DHF UST tires weighed in at ~1250g per tire."

    Also, DHF 2.5 are noticeably smaller than Nevegal 2.5's (Neve's run big and are ALOT heavier) using the same rim.
    Are you saying you would go for a DHF 2.7? Do they even make that tire in UST?

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    Quote Originally Posted by airwreck
    I don't think there ever was a UST 2.7
    Aren't all their double ply's tubeless compatible???
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1soulrider
    ...I could run only Maxxis Minion DHFs and never miss the rest. One of the best things about the Minion F is that it works great in such a huge range of conditions.
    uhhh... yep! ive been on the 2.35's for the better part of 3 seasons on 2 bikes and i dig em! squish finally took a shot at some r's in 2.5 last year and i think either 2.35 f or r as well. the r's wear a bit too fast for my wallet. my smaller tires are a bit wimpy for serious speed on serious rocks. ive gotten a rim dink in last years terry peak dh race and several pinch flats there and in az. i think a 2.5 or bigger and some stans would fix all that for most folks.

    anywho.... weve both ridden them out here, in az, utah, color-ah-do, arkansas and the black hills with smiles after. other than the advantage which i like alot, this is a fave all day-every day tire and its easy to reccomend.
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    Does anyone have the inside scoop on when the UST Big Betties will be available?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nacho
    Does anyone have the inside scoop on when the UST Big Betties will be available?
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    The Michelin Comp32 is heavy, but I think it rolls alright At least it rolls better than you'd think just by looking at it

    It's a bear in rolling terrain, but settle into a long tech climb and it just rolls over everything. If it packs up with mud then it's game over - too heavy.

    Probably not the best east coast tire though.
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    Why UST?

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    In any 2 ply DH tire there is no reason to limit yourself to UST. Over the past 4+ years of tubeless riding, I have never speciffically bought a UST tire and yet never had a single issue with tires. Maxxis and Mich, both single and 2 ply, kenda 2 ply, all tubeless with not a single issue.

    Maxxis tubeless DH tires are lighter as they have a foldable bead...but VERY unfortunately, they are only available in 'supercrappy'. That compound dies VERY quick in my experience. I cant afford to absolutely ruin a tire in a weekend = NO supertacky for me!!!!!!! IF you are going maxxis, go 3C non-ust and runt them any way you want.

    The 32 is HUGE and IMO overkill. I have 2 of them here and I think they will last for ever or untill I give them away. The only time they are even a consideration is in the very dry and VERY rocky. All I ever ride any more on the dedicated DH bike is 2.5s..no matter the brand. Mich and kenda tires are larger and closer to 'true size'. Maxxis definately run smaller.

    Currently many DH racers are running 2.35 rear and 2.5 front....I understand they are not paying for rims, but in my experience, a solid 2.5 in a true DH configuration (and realistic presures) is enough tire for just about anything.

    If you want some 2.7 maxxis tires (DHF), call fluidride here in Seattle....they have a ton of 'takeoffs' from IH Sundays, as no one wants that big of a tire...

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    Ah, the title of this thread evokes happy memories for me - it's the name of the ad my now wife placed in the paper that I replied to. Those ten years have flown, although for some reason the phat meat gets used a lot less these days.

    WRT tyres I'm afraid I have no idea. All I know is that mine are usually flat when I open the garage door as it's been so long since I last rode.

    I'm a bit off the pace on Zilla's new bike build - the last I remember was that his frame arrived the same day Jack Nicklaus won the Masters. What's the latest?

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    Zilla, another word for the Michys. I don't have a ton of experience, but guys I ride with swear by Comp 32s and 24s with the super gooey fly trap compound in 2.7/2.8 for the big bikes. They wear alright, grip to anything. They're riding this for places like Lynn woods, Vietnam, etc. Sidewalls are beefy too.

    I'm running a 2.5 Comp 16 on front of the RFX right now with the sticky compound and am very happy, grippier than Neves which are my baseline for a good gripy NE tire. The 16 hasn't packed up with mud on me, but I think the 32s might be more prone to this. IMO screw the weight, the extra rolling resistance and everyone saying 2.5s are all you need; big sticky tires are a good crutch (did I kill the joke yet) and keep you riding rather than blowing out sidewalls.
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    I think this is what you are looking for...http://www.rockymountainatv.com/prod...dFamilyId=8842 They're a bit heavy, but have crazy traction on all conditions except snow, and they are tubeless.

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    Okay my real suggestion is the Kenda Telonix 2.4 in the new 1000gm mid casing. It's not tubeless, buy they set up great with some Stan's. I've been using the 2.2 kevlar on my trail bikes and the 2.4 DH on my DH bike. The new 2.4 mid casing will be on my new Big Mountain bike.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott@GO-RIDE.com
    Okay my real suggestion is the Kenda Telonix
    Do you think that'll work well on Telonics?
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    Im liking SRs suggestion I DH'd on Minion 3Cs and loved em although I loved the super tacky slow rezzy even more up front who cares about wear when a tire grips this well come race runs its the ****z

    I'd go Minion 3C's 2.5DHR in the rear and if ya feel the need go 2.7 DHF up front and stans em the 2ply's are very stiff, I ran XC tubes and had no issues, oh flatted once but it was my fault I also bent a wheel a rotor and took out a tree when I did that tire

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    I just put a Minion 3C 2.5 DHR in the rear and a 2.7 DHF (42a) on the front. I will be using them as dedicated downhill tires on my Knolly, but could not resist trying them out on a XC ride in the interim.

    They replaced (at least temporarily) a Big Betty in the rear and a Nevegal 2.5 in the front (both folding beads) on a DT Swiss 5.1 D rim. (will keep the Big Betty and Nevegal for XC/trail duties but I had to play with the new toy)

    The 2.7 DHF looks smaller than the the 2.5 Nevegal,but measures just slightly bigger than 2.5". (I think its somewhat that the Maxxis has a more round profile compared to my very worn Nevegal) The 2.5 DHR measures closer to 2.45 but looks bigger for some reason. Both tires basically look smaller than what they replaced, but nob to nob they are decent size.

    I heard Maxxis runs small and would have to agree, but they are still serious rubber.

    My initial impression after one ride (which is pretty much worthless considering they are DH tires that I rode in muddy XC conditions) is they are going to be a good tire. The weight is somewhat noticeable, but they performed admirably and offered good traction considering the conditions.
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    Theres a whopping 50g difference between a Maxxis 2.5 and 2.7 DHF... and they're about the same size as most other 2.5s... not sure how this is too big. I like the Maxxis 2.7 / 2.5 combo a lot. I'll email fluidride for those 2.7 to's.

    edit... fluidride doesn't have to's. They came on last years Sunday, not on the '08s.
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    fwiw. . . i really like DHFs, front and rear. 2.7 3c front, 2.5 60a rear, mounted tubeless on stans flows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    Hutchinson Octopus tires have become my favorite do-all tires. I think you can still get the 2.5's at greenfish sports for $20. Excellent UST tire, similar in size to the comp 24, a bit thinner. Much better tires than the barracuda (which replaced the octpus) IMHO. Good match for the highline.
    Nashbar is blowing off Hutchinson Octopus 2.5 UST tires for $23:

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