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    I love Turner bikes but..............................

    This looks sweet as fook



    I used to ride a 5 Spot and was always happy with the 5.1" travel and 130mm Fox forks, I upgraded to 5.5 rockers and 140mm Pikes but fell out of love with it and sold it.

    Currently riding and loving my Flux and most of the time 100mm feels enough, when it gets a bit more rocky/steep I would love a bit more travel but for the majority of my riding 140mm (and the weight that goes with it) is tooooo much

    Have always though 120mm is the sweet spot for xc and trail riding

    Maybe Intense could break my 5 year Turner addiction

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    Better to buy a bike to ride rather than look at

    Important things like frame alignment, bearings vs. bushing, customer service, and other common Intense problems

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    that is one sweet looking ride!

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    That is a good looking bike. I usually hate green, but it does look good.

    Hey, it happens sometimes. Not every company makes everything perfect for 100% of the users, so explore. Sometimes you might come back, sometimes not, but that's business. I don't think DT would be making such a good combo if riders weren't critical and gave input and had to constantly figure out where the sport is going.

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    That is a very hot bike, but that rear derailleur looks hilariously long. Better put a skid plate on that bottom of that thing.
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    and it still has two more gears....

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    I wonder how the revised vpp suspension is on the new Intense bikes.
    I had a 6.6 a couple years ago and didn't like the amount of suspension feedback.
    That coupled with the flexy rear end and it's tendency to eat bearings all the time caused me to sell it.
    The 6.6 was still better than the Nomad it replaced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Jekyll
    Have always though 120mm is the sweet spot for xc and trail riding
    This is true. That's why you need a Sultan.
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    [QUOTE=syadasti]Better to buy a bike to ride rather than look at

    Yeah I agree but...................

    Kwaka green come on !!!!

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    Beauty really is in the eye of the beholder but ride quality is reality. IMO, I'll take the look and superior ride of a Turner or Ventana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LncNuvue
    Beauty really is in the eye of the beholder but ride quality is reality. IMO, I'll take the look and superior ride of a Turner or Ventana.
    Not just the looks but the spec/geometry/travel of the Spider 2 seems to suit the type of riding I do

    Looking for a inbetween of the Flux/Spot with 120mm travel

    And is the ride quality of Intense bikes that much poorer than Turner/Ventana?? As i've never owned an Intense you've got me scared

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    That looks the dogs danglies!
    I must stop thinking about how a bike looks, its the ride that counts, if only the same applied with women

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    I am groovin' on the 09' Intense stuff too, especially the new Uzzi here or the SS.

    http://www.pinkbike.com/news/2009-in...uzzi-2008.html

    I am committed to ride my 06' RFX another year, especiallly with recent upgrades/revsions made. But, defninitely have an eye on the Intense as well, which I never cared for much in the past, like the 6.6 due to funky geometry, bearings, VPP, etc.

    A local buddy of mine is opening up a bike shop, tough time to do so, but he is determined and is going to carry Intense and Yeti. I am hoping he can get Turner one day as well, but I will have to wait and see how the 2010 RFX turns out? If not as versatile as the Uzzi or SS, I may be making the switch next year.

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    Looks good.

    I like what Intense is doing with thier bikes, looks wise never ridden one. I'm not a big fan of the looks of the DW stuff but I've seen a few that look pretty good, again never ridden any of the DW stuff yet.

    And I don't care if they are the best wheelset on the planet...Those graffics on the Shimano wheels have to go.
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    I wouldnt worry to much about the bikes handling, Intense have things sorted.Ive had a couple and found them to b very sharp.On a good day when your on your game nothing will beat them.Having an off day and they tend to come back and bite u.Have a quick search on the Turner forum and you'll find someone has posted some pics of a new kermit green Spot that looks as good if not better than the Intense.

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    Sorry, I just can't get into the bent top tube (including the small Turners).

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    I sell Intense as well as Turner. Gotta say, while Turner cust service and quality is unmatched, Intense does do a really good job. I think the alignment issues, pivots issues, etc, are generally propegated by a few folks that speak rather loudly. I've had several and all have been top notch. I've been spending some time on a new Tracer VP lately. The 2nd Gen VPP is really good and the rear triangle seems laterally more stiff than the 6.6 I used to have.

    The new Spider 2 looks good as well. Can't wait to get out on a new Spot, though. I'm excited to see how they compare.

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    Put it down dood.....

    You're going to hurt yourself, blow some coin, and come running back crying like a little girl.....
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    Man that green Turner is sex on wheels.I agree with u Roy the bent top tubes just doesnt seem right.The more traditional Turner look does it for me

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    Been there, done that

    The first time I sold my Turner 5 Spot in 2004 was to get an Intense 5.5
    It didn't last long before I sold it and got a 2005 5 Spot again .
    It was built as a trail bike, so in 2007 I got a Nomad because I thought I needed a more agressive bike for more agressive riding.
    Than I made a mistake again, I had to sell one , kept the Nomad and sold the 5 Spot.
    This mistake also didn't last too long, and not long ago it was bye bye Nomad hello 2008 5 Spot again.
    I just don't like how VPP's ride, although there is a big hype about them and many people seem to like them (maybe they did not ride Turners ? )
    I'm hoping to to stick with my Turner for a long time now. I learned it ain't the suspension design that matters , but how you implement the suspension design is what makes a differance and most important - frame geometry & handling.

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    Compromised rear tire clearance and high maintainence pivots if you ride in the mud...are these things even fully-active? Not for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by t66
    Compromised rear tire clearance and high maintainence pivots if you ride in the mud...are these things even fully-active? Not for me
    Same amount of Pivots on the dw-link, VPP, FSR, and TNT. Count them up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaMan
    I learned it ain't the suspension design that matters , but how you implement the suspension design is what makes a differance and most important - frame geometry & handling.
    Suspension and tires are the two ways that you create traction on a bike. You could have the best geometry in the world, but without traction you are sunk. Traction = handling.

    Some suspension systems only have so much latitude that a designer can use to tune them for a certain condition.

    VPP for example, there is not much latitude to what one can do with leverage rates etc.. Almost all of them have early travel regression and end travel progression.

    The same goes for the Faux-bar and FSR, almost all FSR and FAUX bars have a straight rate progression, not a lot of latitude there.

    With dw-link I manipulate leverage rates into all kinds of curves to suit the bike and intended use. Early travel progression, straight progression, progressive to linear, dual progressive, progressive to digressive, I've designed many different dw-link bikes that use these strategies.

    My point is that not all suspension systems have the ability to be tuned for specific application, and that suspension is one of the most important aspects of any wheeled vehicle.
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    Hey dw, I think t66 was referring to bearings(Intense) vs bushings(Turner).
    I once corrected DW about a bicycle related topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ORVH
    Hey dw, I think t66 was referring to bearings(Intense) vs bushings(Turner).
    OOps, my bad..
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    Maybe my new signature needs to be "I corrected DW about a bicycle related topic." It can be my crowning biking achievement.
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    I like the green one as well - looks much more balanced with less post required and the top tube not quite as steep.

    The size of the taco and seat tube and seat post on the first one:

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    But VPP ver.2

    I had a 6.6 and didn't like it at all, hardly rode it, always picked my RFX to ride. THEN I got a new Tracer with the ver.2 suspension. Now this is a sweet ride! I'm a big Turner fan and own both Turner and Intense bikes. Don't compare the old rear suspension to the revised one - there is a big difference.
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    mtnbikerx - is that a gravity light 800mm wide bar? I have one on my Spot and love it. Was going to cut it down but ended up keeping the entire width. Super stable. Did end up shortening the stem down to a 70mm thomson (I am 5'10" and riding a medium.) Overall a great upgrade. I think in the future more people will start running shorter stems with wider bars. 27" now seems so narrow!
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    I'm not that impressed with the SC/Intense v2 suspension - at least on the SC BLT2 its not as plush as the TNT Spot and the grease fittings on the lower link are placed as if they wanted you to bash them (plus they are huge fittings, I don't see why they didn't just go with regular zerk). It is a lot nicer than the old VP bikes, but its still not great. I had a 2002.5 Ironhorse Hollowpoint before almost anyone else and although I was impressed with the dw-link suspension design the frame itself was pretty poor. I'm finally going back to dw-link as Turner got it right.

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    5 Spot...

    The new DW needs some time to grow on you.

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    Agreed!

    I started w a 780mm Sunline on my Socom for DH and then just had to put a wider bar on my AM rig. You called it, Gravity 800mm but I did cut it down to 780 after the first ride. One trail that has a couple of closely spaced trees gave me a surprise with the wider bar, Oooof!
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    Good point and agree with that as well, just by looking at the 09' Intense line-up. I never cared for or been a fan of VPP bikes and Intense, but I think they got a lot of stuff going for them in 09' and may be the company to beat as far as having the ideal all bike line-up and versatility for this year. The new Uzzi goes into full production next month and it just sounds and looks like a dream to me, being a true AM/FR bike, which is what I have been craving, even though my built-up 06' RFX is a quality machine and fun to ride too, but man I am digging the geometry and features of the new Uzzi at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Jekyll
    This looks sweet as fook

    The stickers on that Blur are messed up, for sure. Nice bike otherwise.

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    That green Turner SMOKES that green Intense. One of the best looking bikes I've seen on any forum!

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    Im with u there brother.

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    Intense rules, Turner drools, period.

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    riiiiight...

    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    Intense rules, Turner drools, period.
    I thought you sold the Uzzi and bought a Motobecane to replace it...

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    That's CF speak.

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    fo, your avatar is pretty full, but you might be able to squeeze your amway weblink into the signature line

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    Quote Originally Posted by esquire
    I thought you sold the Uzzi and bought a Motobecane to replace it...
    I love my Intense, and VPP...my only complaint was that whoever put my bike together for me used their (hopefully fresh) KY Jelly instead of grease...who would have guessed

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    My bad, dropped in on the wrong forum! have no idea wtf you guys are on about, Im boosting outta here
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    ayuh...

    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    I love my Intense, and VPP...my only complaint was that whoever put my bike together for me used their (hopefully fresh) KY Jelly instead of grease...who would have guessed
    Well, a lot you know, that stuff works wonders, and if you buy it in bulk like I do, its even cheaper than the Pedros grease, which is basically recycled from local service stations.

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    KY Jelly ??

    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    I love my Intense, and VPP...my only complaint was that whoever put my bike together for me used their (hopefully fresh) KY Jelly instead of grease...who would have guessed
    What is KY Jelly? Is it some kind of new fangled American special lubrication system??

    Not sure if we have it in England, has it been around long in the states?

    Maybe we don't have use for it due to our rugged/wet/gritty conditions

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    That could be a problem on your end of the world. In Southern California, it's pretty much a desert, so the water solubility isn't so much of a problem.

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    After riding an Intense VP i built up for a friend of mine that is similar in height/weight to me i couldn't believe how similar it felt to...my...TNT Turner...!!

    Not that that's a bad thing!!

    The VPP2 is quite active and simply feels like a good low pivot bike does, or a true 4 bar/ICT bike does.It has a effective pivot that them there ICT boys wish they had. The beauty is that they can acieve this with a low BB unlike ICT. IMO much better than the original VPP. Quite active, no pedal feedback. The funny thing is that i thought there would be at least some chain torque kind of sprinty feel remeniscant of DW, Maestro, a detuned VPP. But in reality they have come up with something quite different.

    The effective pivot is near a 22t ring, and as the suspension compresses the pivot point goes pretty much straight foreward. This makes it feel like the axle path is "vertical".

    The bike isn't exactly exciting to ride but does a great job on really techy climbs.

    The suspension rate is less than ideal IMO, and doesn't feel quick accelerating, ultra plush and somehow bottomless like a Turner DW bike does.

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    KY Jelly who uses Jellym, I thought it was KY warming GEL now that was all the rage
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