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    How 'Bombproof' is a 5 Spot?

    So I'm getting into a few larger jumps and drops these days... not 'hucking' or anything, more like 4-6 feet vertical, maybe 12-14ft horizontal, so what I'd call Medium-sized jumps.

    5.3 Spot (2006 model) running Fox DHX Air 5.

    Question is - should I get a 'meatier' bike for this stuff or will my 5 Spot hold up?

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    IMO, You'll have more fun on a RFX. It's not just the amt of the travel or the beef of the bike, the geometry really adds quite a bit of confidence and a greater sense of fun(lesser sense of pucker) to things. It'll encourage you to do more.

    The 4-6' drops are subjective. It's not just the ones you make, its the ones you miss that hurt the bike. Smoothness and gentle transitions also play a role.

    All in all, if you want more aggro riding, consider going up a level on the frame. I did, and was much happier going aggro on the RFX than the Spot. I miss that RFX, a LOT.

    Also consider the weights of the '08 RFX and Spot frames aren't that different.
    All in all depending on your weight, your smoothness, and the size and frequency of the drops you're doing, it can be very possible to overwhelm the bike and/or shorten it's lifespan.

    Another plus is RFX's will be very affordable once the new steroid-enhanced '09s come out.(read: big-drop bike)
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    agreed. sounds like its time to move up. if ya get a rfx now, itll be sorta, kinda, almost as light as a spot build, within 3 to 5 lbs dependin on spec. if ya wait till next year, its gonna get a facelift and more heft leanin more towards the almost extinct highline.
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    A guy came to pick up an old fork from me last week that I put up for sale. It was an old MX Pro 105. He said he needed a stronger fork for his type of riding, in which he rides XC, but also freerides, with 1-2 foot drops and logs and rocks (which don't exist locally).

    Either this is want of stunt riding on the lightest bike possible, or people just have an odd definition of their riding and don't assess themselves truthfully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cactuscorn
    not for long buddy. not for long. done yet?
    Nope. Clearly I need to do my building when the Family's not around as I can't get 10 mins without being summoned. I guess that means I'm loved.
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    i hear ya. i really dig it when im down in the shop concentratin on a project and candycorn calls me upstairs. when i get there its, "sweety, can ya bring (insert item stored in the basement 2' from where i was) up to me please?" grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.... back down for her widgit, back up for the delivery and a thank you kiss, then back down to the man cave. but for how long? did i mention i hate stairs after the ankle injury?

    keep pluggin away pal. feel the love of a good family.
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    Unless you feel that your Spot is holding you back or feel the need to stimulate the economy I say "run what you brung". A rider's abuse vs a bike's intended purpose is such a huge grey area.
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    yep. just ask aqua and his 2 broken spot ft tri's doin the same 5 or 6' "jumps", not hucks. not sayin some guys like superstock arent smoother but this is way past the spots intended grey area.
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    Step up and get the RFX, no reason not to. You can easily sell your Spot to fund a used or discounted new model. No draw backs, climbs excellent, perfect all around bike, no question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cactuscorn
    yep. just ask aqua and his 2 broken spot ft tri's doin the same 5 or 6' "jumps", not hucks. not sayin some guys like superstock arent smoother but this is way past the spots intended grey area.
    Ya really think? He's not talking about a 6' pedal-kick drop to flat. With the speed required to hit his gap I think it would be rather smooth. But it depends on so many things it's impossible to e-guess. If he was buying a new Turner I'd recommend the RFX, but since he already owns the Spot I say give it a whirl. If the Spot is receiving only a very minor tweak to accept the 160mm FR forks next year I say he will be ok. Most people on this forum giving recommendations are over-biked anyways.
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    With people liking mongoose and trek bikes now, what's next in this crazy world? People disliking the bottlerocket?!

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    maybe so, but Aqua weighs in at over 240lbs.....so your mileage may indeed vary......but if you are running a gravity dropper, your gravity will be lowered thus contributing to a lighter impact on the bike due to the revised rocker arm leverage ratio, if you are running Sultan 5.4 lever arm rockers, not the 5.2 ones of course.....

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    I recently sold my rfx (5 pack) (no big shocker to many of you) to go back to a 5 spot ( I really do think there is a diff between the 5 pack and 5 spot). The 5 spot is solid and unless you are huge (XL) it should be fine. Especially with trannies on all your jumps.

    I might be one of the strange ones but I find the geo of the 5 spot is well...spot on.

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    i do really think but thats my opinion in a sea of the same. and yes, im overbiked 90% of the time. and i dont think aqua is 240. hes tall as a tower but hes thin as a anorexic teen model. i do see what yer sayin but i worry about stuffin a v8 into a pinto too. sounds to me like its time to meet the game with the right ball. im old and cautious, what can i say.
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    Hi - thanks for the ideas Guys...

    The reason I ask is that although my 5 Spot is an '06 model I bought it brand new just 3 months ago, I love it, and don't want to kill it! It also has the Fox DHX 5 Air. I guess my concern is about the frame breaking or the DHX crapping out.



    I'm not dropping to flat anywhere - the stuff I ride is always gap jumps, sloping drop-ins etc that have reasonably good transitions.

    I bought the 5 Spot thinking it would be my 'do everything' bike, but am now considering it's more accurately positioned as the ultimate 'trail bike' rather than something that'd be equally at home at Morzine, Whistler, etc.. as riding around the trails.

    I've seen a 2005 6 Pack frame for sale for not stupid money, but it ain't cheap either. So am considering whether I should buy it and build it up with spare parts and maybe some 2006 Marzocchi 66s. A quick calculation and I reckon I could get the whole 6 Pack built for ~$2k.

    BUT - My Spot is a 5.3 Spot, so I only get 0.7ins extra travel with the 6 Pack. I know the 6 Pack geometry is a little different - slacker HT/ST angles, 0.5ins shorter TT, 1" higher BB, but will a 2005 6 Pack really be much different to my 2006 5.3 Spot?

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    yes. its built to take the abuse ya describe and offer a more forgiving geo so you can take the abuse you describe. more good news: ya only need 1 66. think of the money youll save! a 2k pack? whats not to love? buy, build and ride.
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    Digger, I had an '06 Pack with a 66SL along with my 5.1-now-5.5 Spot w/ pike DA. They're worlds apart. You'll love the big bike for bigger more aggro riding. It'll make the Spot feel like an XC bike esp if you put a top rank coil shock on the Pack.

    Dropping another 2K on a bike is no small decision, but if you build the Pack up for aggro riding there will be no concerns of overlap. You might have a hard time staying off the Pack though.

    If Aqua is 240# then he must be 7' tall.
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    I know of a white 06 RFX w/ a 66SL that will be for sale soon!
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    I believe, the last time the scientists measured Aqua, he was at 7'-7" +/- a rocker plate or two....

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    SSinga - can you send me a description and a rough price pls? Any pics you have would be helpful - oh, and of course size?

    My email is simonpearson AT yahoo DOT com

    Thanks.

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    if that doesnt work, i just got word of a brand new '07 or '08 large rfx ft tri w/ a 2 month old tnt rear, king h/set and some dt shock for $1050. dont know colors yet but if yer into it ill put ya in touch with the current owner. a warranty frame the original owner gave up waitin for. dont know the details but ya can pm me or sparrow.

    and aqua is 240 lbs in cc units.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cactuscorn
    more good news: ya only need 1 66. think of the money youll save!
    Now THAT was funny!

    The British and their fork/"fork's" terminology's, always cracks me up.
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    CactusCorn Units?

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    you catch on fast, dont ya?

    have yer trails thawed and dried yet? we just started ridin again last week. life is good!
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    Thanks Cactuscorn - looking at the RFX geo I need a Medium though.

    Anyone got any leads on a Medium RFX or 6 Pack for sale? Don't care if frame only or whole bike....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    but also freerides, with 1-2 foot drops and logs and rocks
    Sick!

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    no probs. looks like theres a bite on it anyway.

    take a hard look at what ya want the bike to be in the end. the newer rfx and the older pack/rfx are quite diff. if yer happy with 1, the other may not be yer ticket.
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    dry and ready to rock - frost warning tonight!

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    just got word. snow and blizzard conditions this weekend. spring is nuthin more than a fantasy. a complete and total lie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digger90
    Hi - thanks for the ideas Guys...

    The reason I ask is that although my 5 Spot is an '06 model I bought it brand new just 3 months ago, I love it, and don't want to kill it! It also has the Fox DHX 5 Air. I guess my concern is about the frame breaking or the DHX crapping out.



    I'm not dropping to flat anywhere - the stuff I ride is always gap jumps, sloping drop-ins etc that have reasonably good transitions.

    I bought the 5 Spot thinking it would be my 'do everything' bike, but am now considering it's more accurately positioned as the ultimate 'trail bike' rather than something that be equally at home at Morzine, Whistler, etc.. as riding around the trails.

    I've seen a 2005 6 Pack frame for sale for not stupid money, but it ain't cheap either. So am considering whether I should buy it and build it up with spare parts and maybe some 2006 Marzocchi 66s. A quick calculation and I reckon I could get the whole 6 Pack built for ~$2k.

    BUT - My Spot is a 5.3 Spot, so I only get 0.7ins extra travel with the 6 Pack. I know the 6 Pack geometry is a little different - slacker HT/ST angles, 0.5ins shorter TT, 1" higher BB, but will a 2005 6 Pack really be much different to my 2006 5.3 Spot?
    not enough dif between the 5 spot and 6 pack and the pack will be a pig on your local trails. keep the spot for the riding you describe, it will take 1 meter drops forever (well, i did bust my rear tri after 3 yrs but got a crash replacement price on a new one).

    if you want to have fun at Morzine, get yourself a closeout price big bike, your spot will feel like a moped on a highway out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cactuscorn
    just got word. snow and blizzard conditions this weekend. spring is nuthin more than a fantasy. a complete and total lie.
    I think thats now reffered to as the beautiful lie


    I digress but f in great song too go the 30stm..
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    Digger - I have both a 5-Spot and a 6-Pack. The 5-Spot is an 05 HL model and has had various builds, including push rockers, RP3, DHX Air 5, Pikes, Pace RC40 Fighters. The 6-Pack is an 06 HL and has a Ti sprung DHX 5, and I've run both Z1 Lights and now Wotans.

    Simply put, the 6-Pack feels a great bike it is too heavy for full-on trail duty here in the UK. Grinding up climbs at the trail centres is bearable, but anything other than downhill is seriously tiring.

    The 5-Spot on the other hand just feels "right". Sure there are better bikes for specifics (I've ridden quite extensively an Ibis Mojo, Titus Motolite Exogrid, Ellsworth Truth, Cove Stiffee, Blur 4x, as well as the 6-Pack), I still think the 5-Spot is the best "all-round" bike.

    My current intention is to build the 5-Spot up using the Push rockers and the Z1 Lights. This should be slightly slacker than the standard Spot set-up, give almost the same travel as the 6-Pack, but be quite a bit lighter. Should be good for 5-6' drops and doubles etc. which is about my limit.

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    here is my tuppence worth on this subject (long time reader not often poster on this forum)

    I think whats more important is how you ride and how big/heavy you are. i have been jumping, dropping and genrally razzing my 5spot since 2003, now i'm not the fastest and don't jump the biggest but i do jump and do drops of a fair old size and have happily raced and ridden the dh tracks of the alps, welsh dragons etc (if any of you uk dwellers haven't ridden rheola at speed its a must But heres the thing i only weigh 150lbs which is a big difference to someone whos weighs over 200lbs on the same frame. Also the setup of the bike will make a huge difference, mine is stock frame and rockers from 03, has a coil pike and vanilla R coil shock, short stem and double ply high rollers for all year round use, which make the bike, in my opinion, very capable going down and nice and manouverable in the air but not to much of a monster going up.

    so after all that waffling if you already have a 5spot and aren't to heavy keep on using it without fear, but if you have cash burning a hole in your pocket splash the cash on an rfx

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    Here's my story of how good the 5Spot is.

    Last summer I had my first trip to Whistler booked, paid for and trip was planned out. I was riding a Stinky Dee-Lux for my FR/DH bike, which was up for sale at the time. Two days before I was to go the bike sold but the new owner could not get to me to get it for a week. So I decided not to take it to BC. I took the Spot.

    I was hesitant at first but went for it anyway. I was truly amazed at just how well it handled A-line, B-line and several other runs up there. I have a long BMX history dating back to the early 80's so those skills transfer over to better bike handling skills, which I found I needed with the Spot on A-line. I was faster than some DH bikes on some parts but was slowed down only by the lack of travel my Pike and frame had. I added a DHX coil which is a way better choice for FR on a Spot.

    The 5 Spot took the abuse on that trip and did not even blink an eye at it. I'm in the 230 lb range and like to ride as hard as my body will push it. Throw in Whistler to the mix and you have a real test of both bike and components. The only thing that came out worse for the ware were my tires and brakes, which was expected.

    If you feel good on a Spot build it up to take the bigger stuff and ride it. I would take your money and build up burlier wheels, coil rear shock and maybe a chain guide. Just my thoughts.

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    Thanks guys - that's good info. I weigh 180lbs so am not stressing the weight limit much.

    Maybe I should stick with the 5 Spot and find a coil shock plus bigger forks for it - it sounds like it would make quite a difference.

    I'm going to Whistler at the end of June so will let you know!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digger90
    Thanks guys - that's good info. I weigh 180lbs so am not stressing the weight limit much.

    Maybe I should stick with the 5 Spot and find a coil shock plus bigger forks for it - it sounds like it would make quite a difference.

    I'm going to Whistler at the end of June so will let you know!
    Nice coil with a Ti spring?

    Have you considered a Roco 3pl or maybe a Roco Air TST, Im gonna look into a 3pl for my spot next year, as I hate the DHXa, it works but its not great, but, I read lots of good stuff about the roco airs, I really rated my Roco WC and there shocks seem to be using the old MARZ philosohy of less is more, pity they haven't applied that to there forks!

    Maybe a good option to consider if it fits the frame, they are apparently massive compared to other air shocks yet weight is still good..

    Oh others have answered already but I have almost that combo, 06 RFX [only diff with the 06 to 05 is TNT and ano].

    They are very different bikes, specc also contributes allot but balanced sus front and rear, they are very different!

    I have not ridden the 07/08s but they seem allot closer to me in terms of weight and supplied shock with frame! Im sure if ya built both up Spot with air and rec fork DT suggests to the 07/08 RFX with coil shock and coil fork or any 160mm fork then they would be very different weathr the difference is enough to have both in th stable like the 06 back models Im not sure.
    Because the Spot has been increased to 5.5inch in 07
    If I was doing my stable again from scratch, it would be a 5.5Spot and Highline for sure!

    If I could only have on bike probably the Spot would like to say RFX but 6.4inches is not adventure rideable for me and AM the next day!
    Ive done that on my Spot, 12hr races, 100km Adventure rides, AM trail ridden her everywhere in this country, all with a TA fork and wheelset its a MacGyver knife, change the tires and light the fires!

    Ta out
    ps Im so gutted there will never be a Highline in my future! ah well thats what life is about change and ups and downs just like a good trail!
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    Good story.

    As mentioned by others above, If I were to only one bike it would be the Spot.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hangtime
    Here's my story of how good the 5Spot is.

    Last summer I had my first trip to Whistler booked, paid for and trip was planned out. I was riding a Stinky Dee-Lux for my FR/DH bike, which was up for sale at the time. Two days before I was to go the bike sold but the new owner could not get to me to get it for a week. So I decided not to take it to BC. I took the Spot.

    I was hesitant at first but went for it anyway. I was truly amazed at just how well it handled A-line, B-line and several other runs up there. I have a long BMX history dating back to the early 80's so those skills transfer over to better bike handling skills, which I found I needed with the Spot on A-line. I was faster than some DH bikes on some parts but was slowed down only by the lack of travel my Pike and frame had. I added a DHX coil which is a way better choice for FR on a Spot.

    The 5 Spot took the abuse on that trip and did not even blink an eye at it. I'm in the 230 lb range and like to ride as hard as my body will push it. Throw in Whistler to the mix and you have a real test of both bike and components. The only thing that came out worse for the ware were my tires and brakes, which was expected.

    If you feel good on a Spot build it up to take the bigger stuff and ride it. I would take your money and build up burlier wheels, coil rear shock and maybe a chain guide. Just my thoughts.
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