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    Hope mono M4's or Juicy 7 on a 5spot

    Had hayes on my Salty want to try something different on the new bike. I want to run the 8" front 7" rear combo. Any body have any time on either of these 2 brakes on there 5spots. Looking for durabilty, stopping power and easy maint.

    Any thoughts or ideas appreciated.
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    juicy's!

    Or, one of each if you really want something different.

    Quote Originally Posted by ozlongboarder
    Had hayes on my Salty want to try something different on the new bike. I want to run the 8" front 7" rear combo. Any body have any time on either of these 2 brakes on there 5spots. Looking for durabilty, stopping power and easy maint.

    Any thoughts or ideas appreciated.

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    I'm in the same boat with brakes for my RFX. Feedback on Juicy 7s might be tough to come by seeings how Avid isn't doing a good job getting them out the door.

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    Juicy sevens!!!! 7in on front 6in on the rear.. They rock!!!! The 7in front stop like yesterday!!!

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    My first expierence with hydraulic disc brakes were the Hayes Mags that came on my used 5 Spot, and I only spent a couple of months on them before making the switch to Juicy's. So as far as comparisons go I'm of no help. But what I can tell you is that I love my Juicy's. I've had no durabilty issues. I'm running 160mm rotors front and rear and haven't come up wanting more stopping power. Modulation is heads and tails above my Hayes. Setup and bleeding is simple and straight forward, even for a disc brake newb like me. As far as maintenance it seems to be one of the few "set it and forget it" systems on my bike. I also like the Speed Dial pad contact adjustment, which is something that really bothered me with the Hayes and was completely unresolvable. Good luck.

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    The juicys have a lot of features but I get the feeling that the hopes are better made (based purely on website pictures) So based on what you guys say the juicys are way better than the hayes. I am guessing the hopes are as well.

    Is any one running either of these with a maverick fork?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozlongboarder
    I want to run the 8" front 7" rear combo.
    8" Juicy's would be just this side of a branch in the spokes. Seriously, those would scare me. I have 6" front and back and I do 1 finger braking with them, everywhere, all the time, panic-stopping or not. I demoed a bike with 8" Hayes brakes and those were just a touch less powerful than my 6" Juicys. With the Hayes, I needed a finger "and a half" to match the power of the Juicys.

    I also demoed a bike with Hope Minis (pre-Mono) and I thought they were awful. Soooo weak. I also demoed a bike with Hayes Carbon 9s (6"). Those were ok, but the carbon levers felt like crap, and were not as powerful as the Juicys, had differing engagement points, and did not modulate that well. I liked the normal Hayes levers a lot more than the carbons. Have not tried the M4s, but after messing around in general with other brakes, nothing seems to offer the complete package the Avids do.

    Picking a brake based on the look of machined verses forged lever perches and calipers is probably not the best strategy

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    for me no contest here - I would get the Hope's without any hesitation! But I would get the Mini Mono's tho, which have plenty of power!!

    I tried the Jucy's at Interbike and although they have good power - I really didn't like the angle and feel of the levers! The Hope feel just right to me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    ...I also demoed a bike with Hope Minis (pre-Mono) and I thought they were awful. Soooo weak...
    The two piece minis had a tendency to separate with firm lever pulls. Speedgoat (who have a new site by the way) actually have a clamp for pre-mono minis to keep them together. The one-piece mini calipers should solve that issue since there aren't two halves to separate.

    Any 4 or 6 piston brake will modulate better than a twin or single piston caliper. Unless the pistons are designed poorly and they clamp perfectly evenly.

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    just thought I would throw in how super nice shimano xt 4-pot calipers are. Pity they are not making them anymore, must have cost too much to make them.......a worthy alternative if you can still get them....

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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    8" Juicy's would be just this side of a branch in the spokes. Seriously, those would scare me. I have 6" front and back and I do 1 finger braking with them, everywhere, all the time, panic-stopping or not. I demoed a bike with 8" Hayes brakes and those were just a touch less powerful than my 6" Juicys. With the Hayes, I needed a finger "and a half" to match the power of the Juicys.

    I also demoed a bike with Hope Minis (pre-Mono) and I thought they were awful. Soooo weak. I also demoed a bike with Hayes Carbon 9s (6"). Those were ok, but the carbon levers felt like crap, and were not as powerful as the Juicys, had differing engagement points, and did not modulate that well. I liked the normal Hayes levers a lot more than the carbons. Have not tried the M4s, but after messing around in general with other brakes, nothing seems to offer the complete package the Avids do.

    Picking a brake based on the look of machined verses forged lever perches and calipers is probably not the best strategy

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    Thats my point its hard to pic brakes just by looking at pictures and reading very few reviews. I just got off superclydes bike with hayes 8" front and 6" rear and they did not feel much more powerful they my 6" hayes. Soupboys RFX with Hope m4s 7" (not the mono's) felt wicked on the front but back was spongy. He said it needed bleeding. The hopes did have a very industrial solid look and feel. It really comes down to the individual and how they maintain them and how they set them up and what pads they are running determining how they feel to another rider.

    This is going to be the bike I take back to Oz with me and I want to make sure that all the parts are solid and reliable and user friendly. The avids do offer the most complete package when it comes to functionality but I just want to be 100% certain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    Picking a brake based on the look of machined verses forged lever perches and calipers is probably not the best strategy
    Damnit tscheezy! That's precisely what I'm going to do!

    I haven't tried the Juicys, or seen any locals with 'em yet, but the Monos are so sexy I can't look away. I have to have a pair, trying to decide if I want 180/180 or 180/160. I would get the Mono M4s, but 180 on a post mount is a no-go.

    Also, I haven't seen anyone selling the 7" Juicys yet.

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    Yeah, I'm gonna have to go ahead and sort of... disagree with you there... (Bill Lumburgh from Office Space)

    I tried the 6" Juicy's and didn't find them to be anything really special. They worked, and you didn't have to think about them, so I guess that means it's a good product, just not anything to make me go, "Wow! I have to have these!"

    I have 8" front, 6" rear Hayes with semi-metallic pads and have found nothing better. Less powerful than 6" Juicy's? I don't think so.
    I had 6" in front for a while and they were adequate as well except I really got them smoking on downhills (literally I could smell burning, but they still stopped). So that's my test of a good brake. I take them on a long screaming downhill until they get really hot and then you will know. I've found brakes that use mineral oil will fail and generally those with smaller calipers (insufficient heat dissipation) but then again those are not designed for downhill use/heavier riders (still no excuse).


    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    8" Juicy's would be just this side of a branch in the spokes. Seriously, those would scare me. I have 6" front and back and I do 1 finger braking with them, everywhere, all the time, panic-stopping or not. I demoed a bike with 8" Hayes brakes and those were just a touch less powerful than my 6" Juicys. With the Hayes, I needed a finger "and a half" to match the power of the Juicys.

    I also demoed a bike with Hope Minis (pre-Mono) and I thought they were awful. Soooo weak. I also demoed a bike with Hayes Carbon 9s (6"). Those were ok, but the carbon levers felt like crap, and were not as powerful as the Juicys, had differing engagement points, and did not modulate that well. I liked the normal Hayes levers a lot more than the carbons. Have not tried the M4s, but after messing around in general with other brakes, nothing seems to offer the complete package the Avids do.

    Picking a brake based on the look of machined verses forged lever perches and calipers is probably not the best strategy

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    Quote Originally Posted by fonseca
    Damnit tscheezy! That's precisely what I'm going to do!

    I haven't tried the Juicys, or seen any locals with 'em yet, but the Monos are so sexy I can't look away. I have to have a pair, trying to decide if I want 180/180 or 180/160. I would get the Mono M4s, but 180 on a post mount is a no-go.

    Also, I haven't seen anyone selling the 7" Juicys yet.
    I'm running Mono Minis - they are much better than the old style minis that my gf has on her bike. However (correct me if I'm wrong) they don't come in a 180mm rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    8" Juicy's would be just this side of a branch in the spokes. Seriously, those would scare me. I have 6" front and back and I do 1 finger braking with them, everywhere, all the time, panic-stopping or not. I demoed a bike with 8" Hayes brakes and those were just a touch less powerful than my 6" Juicys. With the Hayes, I needed a finger "and a half" to match the power of the Juicys.

    I also demoed a bike with Hope Minis (pre-Mono) and I thought they were awful. Soooo weak. I also demoed a bike with Hayes Carbon 9s (6"). Those were ok, but the carbon levers felt like crap, and were not as powerful as the Juicys, had differing engagement points, and did not modulate that well. I liked the normal Hayes levers a lot more than the carbons. Have not tried the M4s, but after messing around in general with other brakes, nothing seems to offer the complete package the Avids do.

    Picking a brake based on the look of machined verses forged lever perches and calipers is probably not the best strategy

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    .............hmmmmmm, first off, I don't think the Mono Mini's you tried were either setup correctly or broken in. I have ridden almost every hydro out there (literally) on my bikes over the years searching for that perfect feel. I would have to say that the Hopes (Mono Mini) are pretty close to perfect. The Juicy's are a decent brake, so I am not dogging them here, but they are definitely not my type. The power is decent (however definitely NOT as strong as Hayes), but the lever angle is quite awkward & I just couldn't get used to it.

    The Hope Mono Mini reminds me of a friends XT 4-pot with Goodridge lines........plenty of power ( I have 180mm front) with exceptional modulation. However, they do take a bit to break in with the stock Hope pads. Also, FWIW, mine have been as quiet as a mouse!
    Currently I have mono mini's on the 5 Spot, Hayes 8" s on the DH bike & shimano 4 pots on the SS. I have good things to say about them all.

    Magura makes a Louise FR that I hear good things about, but I don't think I could do magura again after some bad success with them.

    Also, the Hope (mono mini) is available in 180mm rear with an adapter....


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    Oddly enough the mono minis are available in a 74mm post mount for 160mm rotors. Meaning you can run them with your existing hayes/avid adaptors for any size rotor. Too bad they only come as a 'front' kit meaning you'll need a new rear hose.

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    Agreed, setup is everything. I guess my point was I have yet to use a brake more powerful or better modulating than my own set of Juicys, regardless of rotor size. Surprised the poop out of me too...

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    another factor maybe

    As a clyde with neanderthal hands (xxl) will the hopes fit better. Reason I say this is that I have read on MTBR before about the Juicy lever postions being somewhat awkward for some riders. Are these riders with big hands? Fit is very importnat to me as well. On superclydes jamis I had to stop mid way through the ride last night and seperate the brakes from the shifters from the grips by 1/2 an inch each to get the spacing I needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozlongboarder
    Are these riders with big hands? Fit is very importnat to me as well.
    I'm no Andrea the Giant, but I do wear a XXL glove and I find the Juicy lever to be a perfect fit for my hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by studuck
    I'm running Mono Minis - they are much better than the old style minis that my gf has on her bike. However (correct me if I'm wrong) they don't come in a 180mm rear.
    The Mono Minis are available in calipers 3, 5 & 9:74, which means you would use caliper #3 with the HBIS20 adapter to run 180mm rear, which spaces the caliper out 20mm for IS mounts. So it's always an option even if you initially buy the caliper with a 160mm rotor.

    Also interesting is the 9.74 caliper, which is post mount for 160mm rotors. Avid or Hayes 20mm post mount adapters would work on it to run larger rotors (7" or 8" depending on the adapter), and (I'm not 100% sure) I believe a standard Avid/Hayes stock adapter would let you run it at 160 on IS forks. So the question is, do I want to buy the Mini post mount version, or caliper #5 and use the Hope IS-to-post mount adapter HBSM20H?

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    I rode Pete's Spot with a 180/160 Hope Mono Mini today and they felt pretty good. He had his lever set farther from the bar than I usually do, but otherwise they were pleasant enough. They certainly were better than the old Minis which were on the Spyder I demoed in Moab. I spent considerably less time on Pete's bike than I did on the other demo bikes though, and there were no real steep hills or panic stops on today's ride. Very fun ride, beautiful place too, btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    I rode Pete's Spot with a 180/160 Hope Mono Mini today and they felt pretty good. He had his lever set farther from the bar than I usually do, but otherwise they were pleasant enough. They certainly were better than the old Minis which were on the Spyder I demoed in Moab. I spent considerably less time on Pete's bike than I did on the other demo bikes though, and there were no real steep hills or panic stops on today's ride. Very fun ride, beautiful place too, btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    How was the Maverick?
    Check my comments in a new thread here.

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    I don't understand, "Why not Hayes?"

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    Yeah, I'm gonna have to go ahead and sort of... disagree with you there... (Bill Lumburgh from Office Space)

    I tried the 6" Juicy's and didn't find them to be anything really special. They worked, and you didn't have to think about them, so I guess that means it's a good product, just not anything to make me go, "Wow! I have to have these!"

    I have 8" front, 6" rear Hayes with semi-metallic pads and have found nothing better. Less powerful than 6" Juicy's? I don't think so.
    I had 6" in front for a while and they were adequate as well except I really got them smoking on downhills (literally I could smell burning, but they still stopped). So that's my test of a good brake. I take them on a long screaming downhill until they get really hot and then you will know. I've found brakes that use mineral oil will fail and generally those with smaller calipers (insufficient heat dissipation) but then again those are not designed for downhill use/heavier riders (still no excuse).
    I've ridden Magura's among other semi metallic brakes. Screw 'em all! I will take Hayes every day of the week and twice on Sunday! No hassle brakes for me. The only downfall is the metallic pads don't modulate quite as well as semi metallic. However, Hayes semi's modulate great but don't last as long.

    You guys keep your latest and greatest brakes! I am going to keep riding Hayes.

    Jaybo

    PS If I did go latest and greatest, it would be juicy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaybo
    I will take Hayes every day of the week and twice on Sunday!
    Not me. I just don't like the way Hayes feel, although I haven't tried any new models made in the last few years. But everyone has different preferences when it comes to brakes, just like forks and frames. Some people prefer more of an on-off feel, while others like 'em nice and squishy.

    I've owned several sets of hydraulics, and tried quite a few others, including the old Minis with Speedgoat clamps, and really liked the feel of the Minis. The new Mono version should address the main concern with this brake, so I'm not too worried about not trying them first.

    The Juicys have been many years coming, and so far I only see the 6" version available, and as much as I love Avid products, I'm a bit leery of using their first hydraulics in the first year of production.

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    Hey Tscheezy, I remember you were having some squeal issues with your Juicys when you first got them. I guess you've gotten that resolved since I haven't seen any more threads about it. What ended up being your solution?

    And does any know if you can run Hayes rotors with the Juicys and if there is any performance difference between the Hayes and Avid rotors using the Juicys?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpicha
    Hey Tscheezy, I remember you were having some squeal issues with your Juicys when you first got them. I guess you've gotten that resolved since I haven't seen any more threads about it. What ended up being your solution?

    And does any know if you can run Hayes rotors with the Juicys and if there is any performance difference between the Hayes and Avid rotors using the Juicys?
    I really think the stutter was from the sharp, slaggy edge on the rotor. I filed that off and things are *almost* as smooth as a round rotor. They don't squeal when dry with any type of pad. I ran them with the stock C4 (which were noisy at home) for hundreds of miles down here in the lower 48 (Cal and Utah) silently. The EBC Golds worked well in the dry conditions too. They also made the brakes quiet back home in the wet. The pads are seriously misshaped for the Juicy caliper. I hope EBC takes the metal carrier back to the drawing board and copies Avid's shape, because they don't play nicely in the Juicy brake caliper.

    There are a few companies out there trying to make their brakes lighter by making the rotor thinner. I'd stay away from those. Otherwise most seem to use similar width brake tracks, and almost all are 160mm in diameter. I used my wavy Juicy rotors with the Hayes brakes on the 575 I demoed with no problems. The reverse would work too.

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    Hope all the way!

    Woah, time I see for somebody to stand up for Hope

    I have owned both Hope M4s and I am currently running 180/160 Mono M4s on my 5 Spot. I would have bigger rotors, but i dont want to invalidate my fox warranty.

    I have spend time on Hope's C2, Minis, Mono Minis, 6 Pot Ti's and even an ancient 2 pot closed brake marked simply 'Hope.' I have also used Magura Julies, Louises, Shimano Deores, XTs and even had a spin on Hayes. I have never tried the Avid Juicys.

    Hopes are the best. When your in the showroom they feel squishy at the lever compared to all over brakes and there is a reason for this. This squishyness transfers into modulation on the trail unmatched. The Mono M4 in particular has a smooth modulable feel with massive reserves of power. The amazing thing about this brake is that you can access this power with little danger of throwing yourself over the bar. Some people assume an on-off feel means supreme power, but if I grabbed randomly a handful of my Hopes I know that I would be pitched over the bars like I had rockets coming out of my arse. Thankfully, when you use Hopes there is little danger of this happening.

    Some people have bad experiences with Hope and all I can say is that -as with all disc brakes- you have to face the mount, shim them correctly and make sure they are not in need of bleeding. When set up correctly they are fantastic, with a nice lever that sits well with both RF and twist shifters and can be used with one finger or two.

    Hope have been making discs since before they were unpopular and while the Minis and M4s were successes, the new Mono brakes are perfect with power that belies their miniscule size. When I dream-specced my 5 Spot the first thing I specced were Hope Mono M4 brakes. No worries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blippo_uk

    Some people assume an on-off feel means supreme power, but if I grabbed randomly a handful of my Hopes I know that I would be pitched over the bars like I had rockets coming out of my arse. Thankfully, when you use Hopes there is little danger of this happening.
    Huh? Did you mean Hayes?or what did you mean? I have Hayes now and the jury is still out on whether of not I like the on/off feel. I've gotten used to it but I'd love to try some Hopes just to see what their modulation is like.

    Great information, though, and this is exactly what I've been looking for. I'm this >< close to deciding on some Hope Mono Minis since my Hayes seem to have bit the dust.

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    Any brakes

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    Huh? Did you mean Hayes?or what did you mean? I have Hayes now and the jury is still out on whether of not I like the on/off feel. I've gotten used to it but I'd love to try some Hopes just to see what their modulation is like.

    Great information, though, and this is exactly what I've been looking for. I'm this >< close to deciding on some Hope Mono Minis since my Hayes seem to have bit the dust.
    Well I mean any brake. Hayes is the brake I have spent the least amount of time on. With Shimano, Magura etc. you pull the lever and its a very firm 'on.' When on the trail I remember that I pulled the Magura on and even though the initial power was sudden, there was very little in reserve. After the initial sharp, hard bite I expected a little more pull would yield a wheel lock - but this power was not forthcoming and i suddenly hit a tree With Hope the more you pull the more power you get.

    Can I ask how heavy you are? I am 6'2" and 14 and a half stone (under 200 pounds? I dunno, I'm British). I would advise you to go with Mono M4s if you are over 11. The Mono Minis are all well and good but the 5 Spot encourages high speed and the smooth extra power will come in handy. The M4 is a powerful brake, but the modulation means that you can quite happily live with it at all speeds and skill levels. It's that good. Even the rear is easily modulable.

    At the end of the day I would probably recommend M4s to all riders TBH, especially those with coil equipped trailbikes weighing just under 30lbs (or over in my case). The Mini and M4 share the same lever and discs, so the only weight penalty is slightly larger caliper size, that is well worth it for the extra security. And they look cooler.

    If you really want to be a weight weenie, get an M4 only on the front and a mini on the back.

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    [QUOTE=blippo_uk]
    Can I ask how heavy you are? I am 6'2" and 14 and a half stone (under 200 pounds? I dunno, I'm British). I would advise you to go with Mono M4s if you are over 11. The Mono Minis are all well and good but the 5 Spot encourages high speed and the smooth extra power will come in handy. The M4 is a powerful brake, but the modulation means that you can quite happily live with it at all speeds and skill levels. It's that good. Even the rear is easily modulable.
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    Ok, now that's Greek to me But, I'm riding an XCE and weigh about 180 (yeah, its alllll muscle **wink, wink, nudge, nudge** Not that the XCE doesn't encourage high speed b/c I've definitely been riding more aggressively on the downhills in the past few months (and now that I have a stiffer fork, that's made a world of difference in handling & confidence).

    So, now I'm not any closer to making a decision

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    Why so far?

    Buy Hope Mono M4s, you won't regret it

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    ..........at 225lbs, the mono mini's have been more than powerful enough ('course, I don't brake often ).....the modulation is superb & they are lightweight as well as trick looking.........the mini is the perfect brake for the 5'er...


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    B/c I already know how the Avid levers feel, how easy they are to install and maintain and I keep reading reviews/stories of constantly squealing Hopes and the hard time people have with setting them up with the shims. Those are the only negatives that really concern me with the Hopes right now.

    Would you get the same kind of power with a 180 mono mini vs a 160 M4? Or would the 160 size rotor of the M4 have more power? I suspect that the M4 might be overkill on my XCE though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpicha
    ........I keep reading reviews/stories of constantly squealing Hopes and the hard time people have with setting them up with the shims. Those are the only negatives that really concern me with the Hopes right now.

    Would you get the same kind of power with a 180 mono mini vs a 160 M4? Or would the 160 size rotor of the M4 have more power? I suspect that the M4 might be overkill on my XCE though.
    ...........setup is not difficult if you have any mech. sense at all. no different from any other IS caliper. Mine have run problem & noise free going on 4 months, all kinds of conditions from snow----> mud----->dry (as a bone ). I am very particular about my setups & will do alot of research & extensive pondering beforehand...you will not be disappointed with the Hopes. They are actually very (VERY) similar in feel & strength to my 4 pot Shimano XT's. But the quality of the build is not matched by any brake I have ever owned/ ridden (6 total-grimeca, magura, shimano, hayes, avids---hope) Another plus is that the lever/ reservoir body is anodized so that any leaks or spilled fluid during bleeding process will not harm the finish. IMHO, the m4 would indeed be overkill at a weight penalty, but would also add some power & modulation mostly noticed on long, fast descents.


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    Yeah, I think at this point it I'd be happy with either setup. The M4s sound awesome but definitely more than what I need; a 180/160 setup on the mono minis would be fine.

    Any concerns I should have with using gripshifts? Maybe that'll swing the decision for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpicha
    Yeah, I think at this point it I'd be happy with either setup. The M4s sound awesome but definitely more than what I need; a 180/160 setup on the mono minis would be fine.

    Any concerns I should have with using gripshifts? Maybe that'll swing the decision for me.
    ..............I sure wouldn't expect a problem there.....GS fit fine on my bike with the XT's.......check with Brian on RM to be sure..


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    I'll do that, thanks!

    So, Ozlong, did you decide on one yet? Tell ya' what, you pick one and I'll pick the other then we can then we can switch if we wanted the other - lol (ok, I think I've had too much Easter candy now)
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    Quote Originally Posted by kpicha
    I'll do that, thanks!

    So, Ozlong, did you decide on one yet? Tell ya' what, you pick one and I'll pick the other then we can then we can switch if we wanted the other - lol (ok, I think I've had too much Easter candy now)
    Still not sure! Will probably build up a 29er now and the 5spot will come in a few months. By then all you guinea pigs will have some more feedback so I can make a better decision. Brakes and fork are the only things no certain on.
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    Stop snurfing and buys the GD Hopes!

    I do like the concept of the Juicy's but have no real time on them. The non-Mono Minis on my SS and the non-Mono M4s on my RFX are glorious things indeed. Honestly, I would prefer to 7"/6" M4s but that means another caliper half and rotor for the rear ($80+). Right now running 7"/7". A bit leery of running my 8" caliper half/rotor on my Talas fork hence my decision to bring the front down to 7". Incredibly powerful and great modulation.

    When letting someone take my bike for a spin I always warn people to test my front brake a few times because it is often substantially stronger than their 8" brake in any other brand. At 240# it is 1-finger braking only. You grab a fistful of front brake you better have your cape on.

    As for my Minis I've never really had the same issues that Speedgoat created their clamps for. Run 185/165 on my SS and love it.

    The only downside to Hopes is the time it takes to shim them. That said, once you get used to doing it everything goes quickly, but not Juicy CPS quickly. Once set though, you can forget about it.

    Always, always, always have a shop take the Magura disc tab facing tool to your frame and fork IS mounts. This will take care of a lot of issues...and yes, I know that the Avid CPS system effectively bypasses the need for this. Good for you.

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    I own a lot of wheelsets. One mounted with studded tires (XT hubs), one with Stan's converted Nokians (King Discotechs), one with revolving tires mainly for mud riding (King Iso), and one I only use when it is dry and very cold out (DT Hügi 240 disc). I think I'd tear my hair out if I had to stop and re-shim each time I swapped wheels since each hub is spaced slightly differently, and I may use 2 or 3 wheelsets in a given week. If you just run a single wheelset, ignore this point.

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    Ok, so I've read both manuals and the Hopes are not as adjustable as the Juicys as far as pad contact points go. The Juicys also seem A LOT easier to set up or at least the directions were more clear. I only have one set of wheels so the hassle of re-shimming on the Hopes won't be an issue.

    One thing I did notice with my Hayes was that the front would engage before the rear even when I was squeezing at the same time. I can't say that it really bothered me b/c I got used to it but it would be nice to have a setup that was equal for both.

    As far as durability goes, that's not really possible to tell at this point since the Juicys are so new. I rode my Hayes for 18 months w/o any major problems (aside from the engagement points) and all I had to do was change the pads a couple of times.

    One thing I found interesting was that the M4s don't require you to remove the wheel to change out the pads. Pretty cool!

    Now if there was someone out there, with smallish hands, who has actually ridden both I'd love to hear what they'd have to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpicha
    The Juicys also seem A LOT easier to set up or at least the directions were more clear.
    When I installed my Juicy's I was so convinced that it was going to be a major undertaking that I was constantly out guessing the instructions which ended up making the initial install much harder than it needed to be. It truly is one of the more simple systems to maintain on my bike.
    Quote Originally Posted by kpicha
    As far as durability goes, that's not really possible to tell at this point since the Juicys are so new.
    If the only consideration is the length the product has been on the market, sure it's "not really possible", but Tscheezy just put 1300 miles on his Juicy's in the course of two months and he has yet to have any problems (correct me if I'm wrong Tscheezy). And for that matter the Mono's haven't been on the market any longer than the Juicy's.

    The only reason I'd look at the Mini Mono's is if weight was the determining factor.
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    Oh really? I had no idea the Monos were that new. I never paid attention to them b/c it seemed like anytime I came across a thread with Hope in it, it was related to squealing brakes

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    Granted, Hope has been doing disc brakes long before Avid, but Avid has a solid reputation for standing behind their products and not releasing a product before the proper R&D. I don't think you could go wrong with either, but I won't be giving up my Juicy anytime soon.

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    Good job! Hope

    MONO M4's will be best for modulation, power and dependablity. Just take the time to shim correctly during the initial set up.

    I've used the last 3 generations of this brake. The DH4's, Enduro's and I now have last year's M4's. How will they ever improve these M4's, I thought?

    HOPE RULES!

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    Neither...I run XTR Hydros on my 5-Spot and often do 7 mile fast descents. Plenty of power, 1 finger braking, quiet, never go soft on me, and are easy to maintain.

    I will be adding a larger front rotor soon though...

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    Just wanted to mention that i never got my rear J7 to work, not after filing, not with regular rotors, not after having avid replace the caliper and do other things to it...
    Soon ill be getting either the minis or martas. Any suggestions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaco
    Just wanted to mention that i never got my rear J7 to work, not after filing, not with regular rotors, not after having avid replace the caliper and do other things to it...
    Soon ill be getting either the minis or martas. Any suggestions?
    jaco,

    What problems are you experiencing? If you’re looking to sell them PM me.

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    mine have a severe case of grinding accompanied by vibration. i cant sell them to you since theyre already on their way back to my lbs for replacement. they do modulate and stop something awesome though.

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