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    Highline ordered. A couple of questions.

    I just ordered an Iron Glim Large Highline

    1. What would be a good headset for a 1 1/8 fork? I'm not looking to spend more than $100.
    2. What type of fork clearance will I have with a 66c3? Anyone have pics of fork clearance with the reducer headset and large highline. Guess I should have checked that BEFORE ordering, but ohh well.

    3. Is the Roco WC the best shock for the Highline and then get it PUSHed?

    Sorry for the questions, couldn't find much searching for some reason. Fail.

    I will have to break into the neighbor's house to get a red leather couch shot. How's that for dedication, eh?
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    My bud Chainwhip has had the Roco, DHX and now the Vivid on his...He feels the Vivid is the best that he has had on there to date FWIW. The few times I've been on it, it has felt pretty awesome.

    Check the HL set up forums for additional ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyBidnezz
    My bud Chainwhip has had the Roco, DHX and now the Vivid on his...He feels the Vivid is the best that he has had on there to date FWIW. The few times I've been on it, it has felt pretty awesome.

    Check the HL set up forums for additional ideas.
    Yeah, I was looking at the Vivid.

    Not sure about reliability though. Heard PUSH was going to work on them, so maybe that woul be a safe bet.

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    Shock preference is a personal thing, DHX, Roco,CC Double Barrel, Vivid, etc are all good choices.
    66 crown clearence with a zerostack is not an issue, a Totem will also clear the down tube.
    The Cane Creek zerostack headset is what I have been using for a few years, and it is decent. You will need to replace the bearing at least once a season, but it is easy and not too expensive.
    The Sunline zerostack looks good, but I have not used it myself.

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    If you're thinking of getting a roco and having it PUSHed, consider just skipping straight to getting an avalanche chubie which will cost about the same in the end. No matter how much you customize a production shock, it's still not going to compare to something hand made like the avy.

    With that said, I'm super happy with the stock roco WC on my highline.
    I don't feel the need to PUSH it.

    When you get opions from others on the roco, make sure they are talking about the WC, not the TST. The WC has a completely different feel & feature set and is much better suited to the highline IMHO.

    Headset, get a king and be done with it. Saving $50 ain't worth it if you have to replace in 6 months (as I did, with a FSA orbit extreme pro)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    If you're thinking of getting a roco and having it PUSHed, consider just skipping straight to getting an avalanche chubie which will cost about the same in the end. No matter how much you customize a production shock, it's still not going to compare to something hand made like the avy.

    With that said, I'm super happy with the stock roco WC on my highline.
    I don't feel the need to PUSH it.

    When you get opions from others on the roco, make sure they are talking about the WC, not the TST. The WC has a completely different feel & feature set and is much better suited to the highline IMHO.

    Headset, get a king and be done with it. Saving $50 ain't worth it if you have to replace in 6 months (as I did, with a FSA orbit extreme pro)

    Good call on the headset. That was the one I was looking at (FSA).

    Another great thing is that I'm not married. Thus I can fludge my budget a lot with no reprecusions.


    Thinking the ROCO WC would be a good call. I have a TST r and love the Sh1t out of it. If the WC is even better then I'm sold.


    I can't get an Avy PUSHed, so what's the point of buying it?


    Thanks for the help guys!

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    FM speaks true words. I put a Sunline 0 stack on mine with reducers, and within 9 months the bearings were shot! Get a King and be done with it.
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    Something that just came up.

    What's with everyone going to the XL Highlines? Do they really run THAT small?

    I'm a little worried after reading all the post about people being 6'2" and going XL.

    I'm 6' 3.5" and ordered a Large. My current freeride bike has a 23.5' top tube and I don't find it small at all with a setback post and 50mm stem.

    Is the Highline top tube somehow magically shorter than the 23.75 inches listed on the web site?


    Am I worrying for nothing? Is this just XC guys going to FR and not feeling comfortable with a tighter cockpit (hehe I said cock ) ? I came from more of a BMX background.

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    that tall kiwi guy up in whistler was on a large and went to a medium.

    you're worrying for nothing, xc guys going FR. The Highline is like a 7" travel BMX bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by airwreck
    that tall kiwi guy up in whistler was on a large and went to a medium.

    you're worrying for nothing, xc guys going FR. The Highline is like a 7" travel BMX bike!
    Thanks for the mental support bro.

    I'm emotionally fragile right now waiting for my Highline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoPawn
    Am I worrying for nothing? Is this just XC guys going to FR and not feeling comfortable with a tighter cockpit (hehe I said cock ) ? I came from more of a BMX background.
    Agree with Airwreck, stick with the large. It's a FR bike, keep it flickable. You can always run a longer stem or layback post if you want to do all-day trail rides on it. Even then, I think you'd be fine on the smaller bike.

    PS, I tried going up a size last year (5'-9" on a large RFX), it worked well enough, but smaller bikes jump better and you do get used to them everywhere else, even climbing. Funny, I've given up on all the things I though helped my climbing & endurance (SPD's, longer stems/top tubes) and don't miss them at all. On a FR bike it's a no brainer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM

    Headset, get a king and be done with it. Saving $50 ain't worth it if you have to replace in 6 months (as I did, with a FSA orbit extreme pro)
    No surprise there, as I consider the Xtreeem pro a XC HS. A Better choice would be the Pig Pro DH. Or a King, or whatever floats your boat. BTW, I can't tell the diff between the King and the Pig pro when on the bike. Maybe in 10 years.

    My Xtreeeme pro has held up very well on my Ventana, but I would never consider putting one on my RFX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TLL
    No surprise there, as I consider the Xtreeem pro a XC HS. A Better choice would be the Pig Pro DH. Or a King, or whatever floats your boat. BTW, I can't tell the diff between the King and the Pig pro when on the bike. Maybe in 10 years.

    My Xtreeeme pro has held up very well on my Ventana, but I would never consider putting one on my RFX.
    Hmmm, I like the idea of going King.

    My problem is that I have a 1 1/8 inch fork tube right now and will be getting it upgraded to 1.5 inch at the end of this season.

    Does anyone know if a 1.5 -> 1 1/8 King headset can be converted to a 1.5 cheaply? Other wise I might jst go cheap for a couple months and get the King when I'm at 1.5 inches.

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    Huh!

    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    If you're thinking of getting a roco and having it PUSHed, consider just skipping straight to getting an avalanche chubie which will cost about the same in the end. No matter how much you customize a production shock, it's still not going to compare to something hand made like the avy.
    Do you know what Push does with their Race Tune? Just wondering what your statement is based on
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    Quote Originally Posted by YoPawn
    Hmmm, I like the idea of going King.

    My problem is that I have a 1 1/8 inch fork tube right now and will be getting it upgraded to 1.5 inch at the end of this season.

    Does anyone know if a 1.5 -> 1 1/8 King headset can be converted to a 1.5 cheaply? Other wise I might jst go cheap for a couple months and get the King when I'm at 1.5 inches.
    Yeah, all you need to convert is a new base plate and upper bearing cap, pretty inexpensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCUBAPRO
    Do you know what Push does with their Race Tune? Just wondering what your statement is based on


    It would be nice it they still did a Race Tune...Mine was good before it got stollen

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCUBAPRO
    Do you know what Push does with their Race Tune? Just wondering what your statement is based on
    Lolz @ u

    Yes I rode a Push'd vanilla RC with full race tune for a year on my '02 RFX. Very nice shock but my avy feels much better to me (not a fair comparison since the Avy's on my newer RFX with the lower ratio/ more progressive feel). No doubt the same treatment (if still available) would be stellar on a roco or DHX... I'd still rather have the avy personally though

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCUBAPRO
    Do you know what Push does with their Race Tune? Just wondering what your statement is based on
    Yeah, they try to make it as good as my avy, but in the end they don't have the piston-diameter or the fluid volume Not to mention the high/low adjustments you get with the Avy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    Yeah, they try to make it as good as my avy, but in the end they don't have the piston-diameter or the fluid volume Not to mention the high/low adjustments you get with the Avy.
    Whatever, the CCDB is still mo better

    On a serious note, me thinks the Avy will work great on my 7" bike with 2.5 ratio.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SCUBAPRO
    Whatever, the CCDB is still mo better

    On a serious note, me thinks the Avy will work great on my 7" bike with 2.5 ratio.
    In any case, I can't imagine it comming down to anything besides the Avy Chubby or CCDB. Yeah, there are a lot of shocks out there, some are pretty good, but if you want the best (poster seemed to indicate that) you should skip everything else and go to either the Avy or CCDB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YoPawn
    Something that just came up.

    What's with everyone going to the XL Highlines? Do they really run THAT small?

    I'm a little worried after reading all the post about people being 6'2" and going XL.

    I'm 6' 3.5" and ordered a Large. My current freeride bike has a 23.5' top tube and I don't find it small at all with a setback post and 50mm stem.

    Is the Highline top tube somehow magically shorter than the 23.75 inches listed on the web site?


    Am I worrying for nothing? Is this just XC guys going to FR and not feeling comfortable with a tighter cockpit (hehe I said cock ) ? I came from more of a BMX background.
    Yeah, I'd also say you are worrying for nothing. The highline has fairly short stays for a big bike (with a non-interuppted ST), to keep it maneuverable, but look at the wheelbase figures. It gets REAL long, the front section is pretty long. Turner guys said that if you're goingdo longer rides that require more climbing, go with the bigger size, but for more freeride stuff go with the smaller, and I have to agree due to the geometry numbers. The wheelbases for the sizes are as follows; 45" 46" 47" 48.25" . By going with the 06 front end I gained a little more size than the stock medium (top tube and ST), but not as big as a large.

    47" (your bike) is not a small wheelbase at all, it's pretty darn long, it's pretty much the same as a large DHR wheelbase (46.8).
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    +1 on the Avy.
    It's absolutely stellar on the HL and 6Pack.
    I've had a few other shocks and Avy pleased me the most. I will make no attempt to explain why, just state that it took top shelf for my prefrences.


    Fock that... GET THE AVY!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    Yeah, I'd also say you are worrying for nothing. The highline has fairly short stays for a big bike (with a non-interuppted ST), to keep it maneuverable, but look at the wheelbase figures. It gets REAL long, the front section is pretty long. Turner guys said that if you're goingdo longer rides that require more climbing, go with the bigger size, but for more freeride stuff go with the smaller, and I have to agree due to the geometry numbers. The wheelbases for the sizes are as follows; 45" 46" 47" 48.25" . By going with the 06 front end I gained a little more size than the stock medium (top tube and ST), but not as big as a large.

    47" (your bike) is not a small wheelbase at all, it's pretty darn long, it's pretty much the same as a large DHR wheelbase (46.8).
    Is that 47" just what the Turner web site says or has someone measured it?

    One of my bikes has a 46" wheel base (large Giant Reign x1 with 180mm 66) which also has longer chain stays, longer top tube, and half a degree slacker head angle.

    I wonder if the 47" isn't with a 888 on there? It's hard to figure how it would be longer than the RX1 given the numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla
    +1 on the Avy.
    It's absolutely stellar on the HL and 6Pack.
    I've had a few other shocks and Avy pleased me the most. I will make no attempt to explain why, just state that it took top shelf for my prefrences.


    Fock that... GET THE AVY!
    Man I can see how Homers get themselves into tons of blingin high end parts. THE PEER PRESSURE!

    I think the Avy would look cool on a frame that looks so industrial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoPawn

    My last bike had a 46" wheel base (large Giant Reign x1 with 180mm 66) which also has longer chain stays, longer top tube, and half a degree slacker head angle.
    Heh, my buddy was pissed a while back when he got a reign, because the geometry was NOTHING like what was stated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    Heh, my buddy was pissed a while back when he got a reign, because the geometry was NOTHING like what was stated.
    Yeah good point. I was pretty pissed to buy a 20 inch frame with a 19 inch seat tube.

    Giant is a good value, but I find a lot left to be desired with their details and general level of give a f*ck.

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    ... and if we just ... Christmas in July?

    Arrived!

    Working the last 2.5 hours of work today is going to be torture as I'm staring at my new Highline sitting on my desk.

    It has caused at least several thousand dollars in wasted employee time today, with people drooling and asking questions.


    I might add this bike is twice as burly as I was expecting.

    I'm thinking "noticably stiff" might be an understatement.


    Gonna try to get it built for Whistler this weekend. Pics coming soon!


    Edit: I ordered a Roco WC for the HL. I love the way they feel and didn't want to risk getting a "better" shock and not liking the feel of it. PUSHed Roco sounds tits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoPawn
    PUSHed Roco sounds tits.
    Pushed Roco IS tits. Go for the factory race system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    Pushed Roco IS tits. Go for the factory race system.
    Weren't you the one who says he likes the PUSHed Roco more than the CCDB?

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    I can definitely recommend a Highline at Whistler

    I just measured from axel to axel on my 08 Large, with a Pig HS and 07 RC2X 66 fork and it was 46.25".

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    that's me. Mine spiked in high speed chunder, and hydro-locked on some drops. I messed with the tuning quite a bit, but couldn't get rid of the spiking. Sold it.
    I've had the Pushed roco for a year now. I really like it. Someday when I have some coin to play with, I'll try an Avy,
    FWIW, my shock experience is on an RFX, not a highline, so your mileage may vary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 6thElement
    I can definitely recommend a Highline at Whistler

    I just measured from axel to axel on my 08 Large, with a Pig HS and 07 RC2X 66 fork and it was 46.25".
    Nice! I guess my assumption was correct. Their number was with a 888 on there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    Mine spiked in high speed chunder... I messed with the tuning quite a bit, but couldn't get rid of the spiking. Sold it.
    I had the same experience with my CCDB as Rene. Couldn't get rid of spiking at high shaft speed (square edge hits). I'd get an Avy before a CCDB. Problem is I no think Craig likes west coasters well at least this west coaster...some things get lost in translation I suppose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    In any case, I can't imagine it comming down to anything besides the Avy Chubby or CCDB. Yeah, there are a lot of shocks out there, some are pretty good, but if you want the best (poster seemed to indicate that) you should skip everything else and go to either the Avy or CCDB.
    Why don't the Homers consider the Avy Woodie for the HL? It's the top of the line from Avy basically. I have one on my big bike wit hthe Hi/Lo and its phenominal. The use of a bladder in the reservoir rather than a piston makes it unbelievably supple and then it has all the other great features too. Same price basically, should fit on a med and large HL no sweat. probably won't fit RFX's and a lot of other frames though as the reservoir is about the size of a Redbull can.

    Just had to add my $0.02

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCUBAPRO
    I had the same experience with my CCDB as Rene. Couldn't get rid of spiking at high shaft speed (square edge hits). I'd get an Avy before a CCDB. Problem is I no think Craig likes west coasters well at least this west coaster...some things get lost in translation I suppose.
    Next time I have money burning my pocket, I might humor an Avy.

    Just couldn't resist the Roco, esp. considering I got for much less than $300 new. Can't beat that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCUBAPRO
    Problem is I no think Craig likes west coasters well at least this west coaster...some things get lost in translation I suppose.
    I'm hoping that by the time I do go for an Avy, Craig will have forgotton all about that -email correspondence we had a few years ago.
    Bortis, from what I recall, Craig likes to spec. chubbies or the DHS shock for most turners, due to linkage or rate or something. I actually asked him about the woodie; he said it was the wrong shock for an RFX.
    BTW, you new bike looks killer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bortis Yelltzen
    Why don't the Homers consider the Avy Woodie for the HL? It's the top of the line from Avy basically. I have one on my big bike wit hthe Hi/Lo and its phenominal. The use of a bladder in the reservoir rather than a piston makes it unbelievably supple and then it has all the other great features too. Same price basically, should fit on a med and large HL no sweat. probably won't fit RFX's and a lot of other frames though as the reservoir is about the size of a Redbull can.

    Just had to add my $0.02

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    I've read comparisons of the two. Seem that with the shock leverage, you can't notice the difference in break away stiction, since the chubby is no slouch there either.

    One difference I have heard though is the woody requires maintenance more often. Where as the Chubby is set it and forget it for years on end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoPawn
    Next time I have money burning my pocket, I might humor an Avy.

    Just couldn't resist the Roco, esp. considering I got for much less than $300 new. Can't beat that!
    I totally would do the same thing if I were you. Just get that Roco Pushed when you fancy it and you'll get a really nice shock. I prefer Pushed shocks myself after trying the CCDB and AVY Chuby.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    Bortis, from what I recall, Craig likes to spec. chubbies or the DHS shock for most turners, due to linkage or rate or something. I actually asked him about the woodie; he said it was the wrong shock for an RFX.
    BTW, you new bike looks killer.
    Probably more of a fit issue on the RFX. The resy on the Woodie is HUGE. Next time you're at a 7-11 or similar look at the Starbucks Double-shot can, that's about the size of the resy. I have a Woodie on a Canfield Lucky which is very similar to a highline in terms of room for a shock. I can't see how a bladder vs. piston in the resy would make it poor for a HL vs. the Chubbie. I'm sure it was the fit issue for the Woodie on the RFX. But I'm pretty sure the Woodie will fit on a HL and it's only $50 more than the Chubbie. I mean if it's bling your after why sell yourself short.

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    Bortis, please stop trying to impress me with your huge woodie; I don't roll that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bortis Yelltzen
    But I'm pretty sure the Woodie will fit on a HL and it's only $50 more than the Chubbie. I mean if it's bling your after why sell yourself short.

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    I was open to all options when I ordered my chubie and asked Craig about the woodie. He definitely has preferences for each bike depending on frame design, and for the RFX he says the chubie was the way to go- not sure why, but we covered this before we talked about application at all. I vaguely remember him saying something about leverage ratio & curve.

    I do also have to say, my experience was that Craig was great to deal with. I wasn't really shopping when I called, but the time & knowledge he shared explaining his product really sold me. The follow up was stellar too, I called 2-3 times with tuning questions, each time he was very patient in explaining the adjustments.

    happy customer here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    Bortis, please stop trying to impress me with your huge woodie; I don't roll that way.
    It's more about Girth anyway I say. "It" may not hit the bottom of a tuna can but "it" will fill it

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    OK this is funny.

    One of our programmers (I'm a video game designer) just picked up the frame and asked which end was the front!

    Our cube had a good laugh over that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    I was open to all options when I ordered my chubie and asked Craig about the woodie. He definitely has preferences for each bike depending on frame design, and for the RFX he says the chubie was the way to go- not sure why, but we covered this before we talked about application at all. I vaguely remember him saying something about leverage ratio & curve.
    Maybe, but I don't understand it. The only difference Chubie to Woodie is the bladder vs. piston in the resy and oil volume. Bladder has no friction so better oil flow and better small bump. Maybe too good of oil flow on bikes with high leverage ratios early in the stroke leading to poor mid-stroke etc.... I'm guessing it's primarily just the size of it though. If your Roco just barely touched your downtube on your RFX the Woodie would have pushed through it, it's about 1-1.5" longer than the Roco resy and probably 1.5 times larger diameter.
    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    I do also have to say, my experience was that Craig was great to deal with. I wasn't really shopping when I called, but the time & knowledge he shared explaining his product really sold me. The follow up was stellar too, I called 2-3 times with tuning questions, each time he was very patient in explaining the adjustments.

    happy customer here.
    Agree. i had a DHS on my SC Super 8 5 years ago and it was awesome. And the Woodie has been very impressive.

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