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    Headsets???????

    Cane Creek 110, Cane Creek Solos or Hope - (for a long travel single crown fork)?

    I have a Solos and like it but fancy something a little blingier. Don't want a Chris King - creakier than an old wooden door....thanks

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    I would give the 110 a try. For what it's worth I have a King my Spot and have had one on my old Stinky. My brother currently has Kings on his 575, 303 and Peeler. Mid and Long travel bikes and not one has ever made a noise. Rock solid in my books. But the 110 looks sweet

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    I am interested in trying a CC 110 on the top and King on the bottom. Mainly because I like having the 4mm riser, but hate the o-ring s/u on the King. Never had issues with creaky HS's, probably because I grease them up good and proper, but have had issues with loose assemblies.

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    Stick with the SOLOS and put the bling somewhere else. That headset just plain works - go for something gucci like Straitline brake levers, a blingy bottle cage or some nifty vented rotors. My 2cents anyway.....

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    Ive run the Hope after a creaking King and its been bullet proof understated, I'd get another, I like that it gives me a slighly slacker HA as well [its got quite deep cups] its lightish but beefy compared to a King, the CC110 looks sweet, but I like something beefy and tough for the RFX up esspecially for a LTSC fork
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    Chris King or Hope

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    I spoke with Malcolm just last week about the 110 or Solos for my RFX that's coming, and he told me the Solos was discontinued (or was going to be.)

    But FYI, he said the 110 was loads better than the Solos.
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    I had a king on my 06 RFX - creaked like crazy and so I put a solos on it....which never creaked....although I traded the bike 9 months later...110 and hope are within a few bucks of each other. I may toss a coin!

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    "Don't want a Chris King - creakier than an old wooden door"

    I do not post here much but you just might be nuts! I don't think I'm alone on this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunnyside
    "Don't want a Chris King - creakier than an old wooden door"

    I do not post here much but you just might be nuts! I don't think I'm alone on this one.
    I may be nuts but not on that point...lots of people experienced creaky king headsets on long travel single crown forks...at least one already posted in this thread.

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    Never had a creaky king, ever. However, for something new, the newest sultan is getting a crankbrothers.

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    I had a creaky Chris King headset on my spot. I know it seems trivial
    but hearing a creak on bigger bumps is a bit disconcerting. I replaced the
    headset with a Cane Creek 110 and no more noise. I will NOT part with
    my King hubs though.

    My girlfriend has a FSA Orbit Extreme Pro on her spot and it is silent.
    Both have Thompson stems.

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    Hey Chris. I'd get the 110 if I were you, though the Hope is very good also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TLL
    FSA Pig Pro DH for an RFX.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trailadvent
    They don't call em pigs for nothing
    I knew there was a reason my steering felt so heavy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TLL
    . . . .
    Ya I mean we like sheep analogies on our RFXs
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    ... and if we just ...

    Quote Originally Posted by wilks
    I may be nuts but not on that point
    I think your nuts on all points. Get that dam 5.5 spot on the Trail already.

    BTW my king on the RFX is silky smooth

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    CK Steelset

    Hey,

    For all of you CK bashers, I have been running a CK Steelset for two years now on two different RFX's and no creaks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007
    I spoke with Malcolm just last week about the 110 or Solos for my RFX that's coming, and he told me the Solos was discontinued (or was going to be.)

    But FYI, he said the 110 was loads better than the Solos.
    I see the question being addressed a lot and no one really answers HOW the 110 and the Solos differ from one another in the real world. Why is the 110 better?

    As far as the King goes, I have not had the creaking issue thus far, but that is no endorsement. I would get a Hope or a CC myself. I have noted that the top bearing cap on the King wears out, as noted in a previous thread I started on this subject. While I'm on all original parts for my 04 King, I am weary of the top cap since only an Oring holds it in place and that place eventually allows the rim that interfaces in the bearing race to wear, potentially creaking and needing adjustment.

    I have planned on it, but didn't do it yet, to install a CC compression ring and top cap. I know for a fact that someone else has successfully done this.

    Tscheezy will of course post in this one how he has 100 Kings in use now and they all work. Pretty soon there will be Barney colon-cam pictures being posted.

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    A bit off topic, but are the Gravity Dropper Turbos THAT much better than the older remote models that putting up with that hideous, dangling cable is worth it? I have the older model, though only put it on for Super D races, or maybe for some rides, & it works great, plus the cable is nicely out of the way & doesn't look like a coat hanger for a car antenna.

    Just wondering

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    Yes they are.

    But I also added an old V-Brake cable guide to to keep it out of the way.
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    No good Whoa, Hoss!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    I see the question being addressed a lot and no one really answers HOW the 110 and the Solos differ from one another in the real world. Why is the 110 better?

    As far as the King goes, I have not had the creaking issue thus far, but that is no endorsement. I would get a Hope or a CC myself. I have noted that the top bearing cap on the King wears out, as noted in a previous thread I started on this subject. While I'm on all original parts for my 04 King, I am weary of the top cap since only an Oring holds it in place and that place eventually allows the rim that interfaces in the bearing race to wear, potentially creaking and needing adjustment.

    I have planned on it, but didn't do it yet, to install a CC compression ring and top cap. I know for a fact that someone else has successfully done this.

    Tscheezy will of course post in this one how he has 100 Kings in use now and they all work. Pretty soon there will be Barney colon-cam pictures being posted.
    Barney colon-cam pics???? If I was Phil and Barney was going to be my wife, those would be fightin' words, hoss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    I see the question being addressed a lot and no one really answers HOW the 110 and the Solos differ from one another in the real world. Why is the 110 better?
    The one thing Malcolm told me was the compression ring setup, and how it's much better suited for long travel forks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steve47co1
    Barney colon-cam pics???? If I was Phil and Barney was going to be my wife, those would be fightin' words, hoss.
    I'm not the one that exploits her on the internet to the hard up for sex homers. I also don't strategically take only pictures of her on rides. "Oh here's barney riding across a trail...here's barney riding across another, he's barney riding across a different type of trail".

    It's like slide shows from the 60's at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleCrazy
    I think your nuts on all points. Get that dam 5.5 spot on the Trail already.

    BTW my king on the RFX is silky smooth
    are you even an uncle, uncle crazy?

    go back to fixing faulty pc monitors would you...

    PS - maybe riding this weekend if the doc lets me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    I'm not the one that exploits her on the internet to the hard up for sex homers. I also don't strategically take only pictures of her on rides.
    Don't be dissin us H.U.F.S. Homers, now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve47co1
    Hey,

    For all of you CK bashers, I have been running a CK Steelset for two years now on two different RFX's and no creaks.
    You only need to spend $200 to have a CK headset that doesn't creak?!, what a deal! Those things should be flying off the shelves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steve47co1
    Hey,

    For all of you CK bashers, I have been running a CK Steelset for two years now on two different RFX's and no creaks.
    So everyone should shape their opinion of CK based on YOUR experience with their product, instead of their own?

    I don't care how deep the skirts are, CK's headset technology is 20 years old and hasn't changed to match the demand of today's suspension technology. If CC's compression lock ring wasn't patented you can bet that CK would employ the same concept.
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    OK, so I have a CK headset that keeps coming loose with a 888. What's the cheapest compatible top cap/compression ring assembly that I can fit to solve my problems?

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    Hope Hey Jayem and DB!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Bottoms
    So everyone should shape their opinion of CK based on YOUR experience with their product, instead of their own?

    I don't care how deep the skirts are, CK's headset technology is 20 years old and hasn't changed to match the demand of today's suspension technology. If CC's compression lock ring wasn't patented you can bet that CK would employ the same concept.
    Where's the love? Chill dudes - maybe time to go ride your bikes and not take everything so seriously!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TLL

    Just about everyone on this board displays behavior that others might find annoying.
    The list of folks who post here who do NOT exhibit this trait is very short...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TLL
    FSA Pig Pro DH for an RFX.
    Hells Yeah! Best headset I have used on my RFX by far. 2 years and it is just as solid as the day I put it on. And all for a whopping $40!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    The list of folks who post here who do NOT exhibit this trait is very short...
    Homer requires it

    Well I see some King bashing but weve been through this before many times, advice is given here in the main of what weve experienced most here have been long time KING owners & supporters and still are, we, well I just don't use a product because of its name if it dosen't work its off my bike, I'll give it a try, make it work where possible, and I'll try to save others the pain, if you still want to go that way be my guest! Steel sets standard there's threads in here that went on for pages about them!

    Of course it won't affect all people, varying conditons ride abilites and how hard ya push your bike, some here jump 30ft some 3inches, but the its well known accross the forums this issue, not just here, do some research, RM beyotch about it as well. I don't see giving advice and experience as bey otching, following a name blindly is just bey otching imo! if ya had a good experience then cool share it, give some feedback to support it..I still have a King on my Spot its been soilid, but where talking long travel single crown forks!.

    Tisser youve just proved ya don't ride and in the FO brigade
    Just kidding thats unfair lol..

    I dunno maybe youre doing something different, my PIG pro died after everyrace I did last year, admittedly both practice and race days were usually wet, but I had to pull it down re grease clean out water rust each time other wise it would sieze on me, I rode my Hope all through winter last year, and cleaned it once, and it was clean no rust no contamination it had a way harder life than my PP on the DH bike, go figure, oh it cost 3 times as much, but saved me a **** load of time!

    Thats my experience with it, so after that I'd never have another but Im not hating on them though the name cracks me up everytime!
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    Quote Originally Posted by big-ted
    OK, so I have a CK headset that keeps coming loose with a 888. What's the cheapest compatible top cap/compression ring assembly that I can fit to solve my problems?
    The bevel/chamfer on the King bearings is different than what is used by Cane creek or FSA. I think the standard CC/FSA/Aheadset is a 36* angle where the king is closer to 45*... EIther way, I think the bevel is close enough to use a compression ring from any of the 'other' angular contact sealed bearing headsets.

    THere was an article (that I cannot seem to find now) where a bunch of BMX guys were having the same loosening issues with CK's...so they too the top cap and ground off the bearing contact bevel left the top cap flat and smooth underneith. Then they installed a comression ring from CC or FSA and popped the neutered King top cap back on......

    looks like a king functions like a real headset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn. Biker123
    I am interested in trying a CC 110 on the top and King on the bottom. Mainly because I like having the 4mm riser, but hate the o-ring s/u on the King. Never had issues with creaky HS's, probably because I grease them up good and proper, but have had issues with loose assemblies.
    I might try something like that if I ever get creaking. I also grease the interfaces like crazy, so maybe that's one thing that bails us out. However, seasoned dealers have had creaks and I can't imagine that they aren't doing the same with their level of experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Bottoms
    So everyone should shape their opinion of CK based on YOUR experience with their product, instead of their own?

    I don't care how deep the skirts are, CK's headset technology is 20 years old and hasn't changed to match the demand of today's suspension technology. If CC's compression lock ring wasn't patented you can bet that CK would employ the same concept.

    So very true, in fact they DO use a collet clamp in their threaded headset. WIthout this feature the top cap is free to rock back an forth....this is what causes the noise, and in turn can 'walk' the stem up the steerer, loosening the headset.

    BTW, the steelset does not creek becuase the metal on metal movement is stainless on stainless.....no dis-similar metals = no corosion = no noise. The cap still moves on the steer tube and bearing.

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    heh! im in the process of doing this now!

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    Agree - I've got a standard CK on my 5 Spot, and a CK steel set on my RFX. No creaks here.

    Quote Originally Posted by steve47co1
    Hey,

    For all of you CK bashers, I have been running a CK Steelset for two years now on two different RFX's and no creaks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er
    Hells Yeah! Best headset I have used on my RFX by far. 2 years and it is just as solid as the day I put it on. And all for a whopping $40!
    The Pig DH really has to be the best deal in headsets out there, as far as I am concerned. Perfect for a 130mm ++ fork. Not as blingtastic as the other choices, but it certainly can take the abuse. I suppose if you were building up some lightweight bike the weight might be an issue; but not on a 32--35 pound bike.

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